Knee Is Back In Form... Untouchable Defense

Tmm commentates Knee vs Ulsan from Thaiger Uppercut
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[@Shoji_Akira]

Its kinda ironic that a maniac like bryan is more about defense and mind game while the cold face dragunov is an aggressive rush down character

[@nmiereemery5896]

I think it makes it all more better honestly.

[@uglyhorseteethbritsht]

@@nmiereemery5896 no

[@Justlookingaround19]

Hence why he is rarely used in Tournaments

[@lsv47]

Part of Bryan's charm.

[@SapphireCostMainMan]

He is exelly bryan brothers

[@fancyhermit7]

Knee is finally adapting

[@stealthexecutor563]

He already did, he just took his time.

[@captain_furret]

It took him a while but depending on how hungry Knee was to play professionally he would eventually. It’s just Tekken 8 is so much different from the other games and the way you have to play the game. Not to mention just how there’s a obvious difference from the top characters to the others

[@cadec222]

@@captain_furret What's funny is that if you go and look at pre-Tekken 7 Knee matches, he was playing hyper aggressively! Tekken 5 and 6 definitely rewarded offense more than defense, Tekken 7 is the outlier; it's just that we had Tekken 7 for a decade, and those habits are hard to break.

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

next update: -bryan has been removed from the game -every time alisa, dragunov, yoshi, hwo, king, feng, eddy and the bears hit you you become unable to use lateral movement for 5 seconds

[@Viewer13128]

Tekken will let you move but will make their moves track and homing... and ofc they can duck your mids too.

[@viniciuslessa3480]

Haahahahahah I hate when no tracking moves gets me sidestepping... Is it only the "blue traces moves" that should track or am I missing something?

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

@@viniciuslessa3480 non tracking moves may track to one side, or have slight tracking to both. in the first case, they'll usually all cover the same side in the same character, with few exceptions, that's why we say for example that kazuya is weak to his right (you step him to YOUR left), and jin is weak to his left. however, in kazuya's case, db3 (stature kick) will track to his weak side instead, and d1+2 has slight tracking to both sides, which means you need to sidewalk to avoid it. and for some god forsaken reason strings on t8 now tracks a LOT. sometimes even sidewalking to the correct side has you getting clipped by strings or heat smashes. this, combined with what feels to me as a more strict side step timing, has made lateral movement a lot less reliable in t8, my opinion. also, the game introduced a lot of "forced mixup" situations in which stepping/walking is impossible without getting hit. the smaller step window also makes stepping while negative very hard or impossible, which goes back to the "forced mixup" situation. so yes, at least for me, an intermediate player, lateral movement is WAY worse in 8 than 7

[@viniciuslessa3480]

@@gustavogoesgomes1863 thx for the answer! Small details make the difference!

[@Helloandhaveaniceday]

dont forget nina and jin!

[@cangrexX]

i can't believe dude's almost 40 years old yet he's still on top... meanwhile some other e-sports pros are retiring at 25

[@MeatSim64]

How he doesn't have carpal tunnel yet is what baffles me 😂

[@NYG5]

Tekken's Tom Brady

[@VERYR4RE]

cant compare games tho, bro. Tekken is way more about reading the opponent than other games. In e.g. counter-strike you also have older players, but those are always in the leader role who are there to keep the team calm and read the opponents team to then shot call. Their firepower always takes a big dip with age and thats why that role is the only one where they can play longer and even then firepower is still important, which is why so far 33yo is the oldest at the highest lvl there.

[@Tk_Haroon_YT]

The 40 Years Old G-O-A-T 🐐

[@SapphireCostMainMan]

Ages not impact on games skills

[@Enigma366]

I’ve always been of the opinion that Bryan is what a tekken 8 character should look like. He has a lot of new strong offensive tools, but they all have their own counterplay and defense is just as rewarding.

[@ninjapinguin5892]

Excactly, this is what should have been the design focus for characters in Tekken 8

[@LibertyForAll-l3q]

Idk the counterplay to Bryan certainly isnt clear, other having slower moves, except some which are really fast, he does not have any particularly strong weaknesses. Pretty much every move leads into a CH combo so contesting him is risky, he got good gap closer tho

[@ButchKumesogut]

@@LibertyForAll-l3q Bryan's big moves are slow, linear and very steppable. He struggles big time against turtling, and if you can block hatchet kick on reaction, he has very limited options. On the flip side, he has bad panic buttons and an awful power crush, so he also struggles against +frame rushdown. He thrives in the mid range waiting to snipe a CH, so either get in his face and overwhelm with +frames or turtle up and limit his options.

[@countdookie6987]

​@@ButchKumesogut Not only that, Bryan is incredibly negative on a lot of his fast close range moves, so his aggression is not as good as the other characters

[@codeine_ninja]

the greatest Tekken player of all time

[@allaccordingtokeikaku1353]

Meat riding

[@panapasaratumaitavuki992]

@@allaccordingtokeikaku1353 factually correct though

[@Okay.997]

How so lmfao its either him or arslan and its still close and you cant be objectively right about either 😂​@@allaccordingtokeikaku1353

[@Myst1c_OW]

@@allaccordingtokeikaku1353 i mean its literally objectively correct

[@markn7882]

@@allaccordingtokeikaku1353grow up

[@dannyrpt]

He's back and on an actual good character too. His main. Not these........ other ones

[@Kawaiistarzone]

I'm so happy when OG players like Arslan, Ulsan and many others were adapting to T8 and now the legend Knee finally comes back after struggling for several months is just pure satisfaction!

[@VaSoapman]

One of the things I've always loved about Tekkan is that mastery of a character was far more important than the tier list. Its nice to see that come back into Tekkan 8.

[@JamesExcell-InterJex]

Knee got 3rd place in the tournament btw. Absolute legend.

[@GuntanksInSpace]

Only a matter of time till he wins I feel. He was truly cooking.

[@b0nes1223]

Knee went back to his roots by choosing Bryan. I couldn’t be more hype seeing him succeed and improve with anyone else.

[@stephenjackson597]

Bryan a good matchup but man The amount of heihachis I’ve faced in a week is ungodly 🤢

[@brycenmarion146]

Guess your character knowledge on him is God tier tho

[@FollowTheDamnTrain0]

Imagine out of all the shitty characters in Tekken 8, you complain about Heihachi

[@stephenjackson597]

@@FollowTheDamnTrain0 I just said I played him a lot lol what’s the kerfuffle

[@jesustalkspace]

😂

[@AyKayPlays]

@@stephenjackson597huh? You put the sick face emoji. That’s the kerfuffle 😂

[@mohsinraza2120]

Knee, the legend is back 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@TheLaxed]

3:37 That is hands down a true tekken 8 player. A rage art masher

[@holeyschitt]

Man thought he was playing a North American player online

[@parikshit28]

There’s a reason no one was able to touch him in his youth

[@gabereell]

pause

[@Miaou98]

Bro was spared by Diddy 💀💀💀

[@goob8945]

I wonder what prime Arslan vs prime Knee would’ve looked like

[@GrogedUp]

@@Miaou98hell no that is diddy

[@madln5070]

@@goob8945 Knee would win, he was on a different league.

[@huckleberryjam4975]

Knee going back to his roots and kneeing people again

[@ekarlvincent]

lol at this. been seeing knee kneeing people since 2008 😂

[@KaviWar7]

Knee THE GOAT, When he adapts 100% he will be a destruction machine

[@HAM_An1mA]

Earlier on, I was disappointed in how Knee performed, but he needed to adept to how aggressive T8 is. But at TGU I was so proud of him, he played so well.

[@manl1kemoe]

Yes he just kneeded to adapt

[@Tk_Haroon_YT]

G-O-A-T With Years Of Experience 🙌

[@zeldamage001]

Beautiful! The fact that fundamentals still win tournaments shows T8 is still a Tekken game c:

[@w21aaaaa]

I swear all Bamco need is to just nerf Drag and remove Heat Engager rushdown and the game will significantly improve.

[@jimdino77]

Knee’s defense was the highlight, but he clearly has a strategy after going into Heat, and his offensive pressure overall was impressive.

[@shuaibseedat9066]

The goat is back. In top form. Love you drx knee❤

[@lazytommy0]

great content as always TMM this was a killer set and commentary

[@heisseething]

3:51 play this in slow motion and tell me how this hits? This is only one of the reasons Dragunov is bullshit 5:51 this too

[@straightlead8]

Thats an overall Tekkn8 problem. Tracking

[@Hugs288]

"just step wr2" - literally all drag mains ofcourse none of them mention that it has had bs tracking since t7 and only perfectly timed sidestep will not get clipped

[@sukalyanmajumdar1196]

3:51 looks like Knee pressed which extended Bryan's hitbox and got clipped 5:51 tracking towards opponents doing SSL

[@genesishandboards]

I had a feeling it was only a matter of time that Knee would find himself again! Im not goona say he is the GOAT cause I dont care about the Arslan vs Knee debate. But have being a Knee fan all these years its a real treat not only seeing him back on Bryan but showing some of the best fundamentals ever seen. Lets goooo glad scrup man approves 😂😂❤

[@sny0401]

God level side steps

[@sonofaballer96]

Watching ancient Knee clips in tekken 5 dr and 6 is one of the things that got me into Tekken. He moved and did things I didnt know was possible in Tekken. After watching him in tekken 7, I thought he would never touch Bryan again. Knee and Bryan just bring me so much joy.

[@Mayyhin]

Look how perfect your defence has to be to be able to compete with Bryan 😭

[@Crimsongz]

Always been like that lol

[@DanielSacilotto]

It was great, but it's going to be very difficult for Knee to have consistent high placements, let alone become dominant, with Bryan when there are characters like Dragunov, Nina, King, Alisa, Yoshi, Claudio... Bryan is excellent, but he has a pretty limited low repertoire and has to work very hard. I hope the characters I mentioned get nerfed. Knee doesn't seem to think Feng is as good as most. I heard him mention in a stream that he thought Feng was "so-so". Joka also thinks Feng needs to win too many interactions relative to others. I'm not sure, since most other players place him highly.

[@leonard9624]

Bryan just needs to get stronger

[@FlokiTech]

But he plays better on Bryan than he does when picking op characters, maybe there is something more to it.

[@DanielSacilotto]

@@FlokiTech He won Evo with Feng at his most OP...

[@PadPoet]

Knee woke up. To be honest he is the Tekken bible.

[@Stockfish1511]

No matter what anyone says. For me Knee was and always will be the GOAT

[@fivefingeredgrizzlybear3000]

It sucked he proceeded to lose to shadow after getting hit by 100 lows 😢

[@VERYR4RE]

i feel like no walls hurts drag just as much if not more, cause his combo dmg really goes down if he doesnt have a wall. Together with him of course being able to get you to the wall with his push back and then his wall pressure

[@foxmind2490]

Day 1 of Tiger Uppercut Tournament, Knee (Bryan) vs. Shooter (Nina). That matchup told me that Knee was finding his adaptation to the new game. It had one of the most tense conclusions I’ve ever seen

[@Dee1xp]

Knee’s Bryan, more like Bryan’ Knee 🔥🔥🔥

[@shino475]

Knee has probably seen and played against more Drag at this point than anyone.

[@appieLol]

As a true knee glazer. He has faced Ulsans dragunov like 100 times, no joke

[@GuntanksInSpace]

​@@appieLolain't no better way to learn a matchup lol

[@yasinstyl3r427]

Losing against a bryan on the highest ranks is the biggest sign of disrespect considering how busted every character is compared to bryan

[@FlokiTech]

Bro talking like bryan is the worst charcater in the game.

[@kevinhuey8763]

i get what you're saying but this is still a braindead take lmfao, ulsan doesn't actually play DRAG, he mained other characters which arent in t8. against knee, who's been playing bryan for MANY years lol not really comparable

[@okok-ke1tk]

Lol even mainman has bryan in A tier. What are u on about? He has a lot of tournament presence aswell because he has the best counterhits and damage in the game

[@yasinstyl3r427]

@@okok-ke1tk Bruh tf u talking about. Go watch the games and find me another bryan besides knee. yes,good counter hits,.. so does nina,so does jin,so does drag,so does yoshi. Yeah good combo damage,...so does nina,so does jin,so does drag,so does yoshi. What are u on about

[@Crimsongz]

The GOAT and he play one of my mains 🔥💪🏿

[@clubnightparade]

This is what tekken should be man, i miss defense .. i miss t7 :(

[@tshepangduba9801]

MY GOAT!!!!

[@tomatopawah6877]

2:28 Personal Timestamp

[@Wsongs810]

3:15 the video starts

[@mubienkvape]

Will you make Knee vs Shadow video reaction? That was one of the best final sets I've seen this year IMO

[@awedbywayne]

it cant be a tmm vid without tmm crying over jin lol

[@matthewalston7234]

No one is crying. Such a low IQ comment.

[@kleinerradius6053]

Yeah its insane xD

[@CertifiedMVP]

Knee's run in this tournament is the best and most exciting Tekken I have seen so far in T8

[@mxrandolph4539]

Open mouth will meet the fist.

[@choi9740]

Knee is living legend

[@jacksypher3403]

6:30 knee steps right before heat burst and it didn't track so he was able to punish

[@Viewer13128]

Knee's movements are so seamless you can lose track of them, but Knee knows exactly how he's moving.

[@jacksypher3403]

@@Viewer13128 yup. He's probably fought so many dragunovs that he knows exactly how to outplay the matchup

[@azuresaiyan9005]

MM is so bizarre. Talks about how much he loves T8 and that it’s the best Tekken yet the characters he claims play T8 are garbage while those who play more methodical old school Tekken are great. The cognitive dissonance is crazy.

[@kato093]

Well, he is a hypocritical moron so don't expect anything more than that. He is the old crybaby, he is just conveying it in another way. He used to throw literal temper tantrums like a 4 year old. Now it's more verbal diarrhea of the dumbest takes and since he is more calm, people actually agree with him because he doesn't sound like a cat in heat+toddler crying anymore

[@VERYR4RE]

i would love to hear your thoughts on how to fix dragunov to his former glory. I hope you tackle that in the coming video you mentioned

[@davidhero1000]

Everytime i watch knee play bryan i feel like playin bryan hes that fun to watch!!

[@37vishwa]

Talk about the jon as well.. He blasted his way in TWT knocking out Jeondding. His entry in TWT with king is no small feat.

[@shinatoIV]

Idk what's more satisfying to see get; Dragunov or Xiaoyu getting bodied

[@MeatSim64]

Definitely Drag. He's crazy broken

[@scottyj8655]

Drag for sure, xiaoyu at least requires a lot of work.

[@tekkenmasterclass]

And just because Knee got a one lucky launcher does not mean he is playing defensive - he is play smart with a good balance of offense and defense.

[@VERYR4RE]

lets not downplay bryan tho. He is strong as fuck. Not on drags level, but close

[@FlokiTech]

MainMain will always downplay Bryan

[@mariocruz591]

6:15 need SSR for it to connect. He hit it on axis which doesno connect the heat bound

[@azteckjumbie9344]

Seeing Knee get cheesed out by Zaffina and female character hitbox issues was sad asf

[@jarnbjorn4522]

knee is knee-ing

[@KirraZirra]

G.O.A.T. is back!

[@HolDeinCousin]

2:00 - 2:35 and 4:38 - 4:52 is this a Joke?

[@alfredex22]

He played beautiful Tekken 7, that’s it

[@honk1419]

i just hate the 'OMG SIDESTEP THIS GAME SO DEFENSIVE FOCUSED' argument but will glide past the tons of moves that fully catch the players sidestepping and sidewalking or the fact that ive been midcrushed more times and by more characters than the xiaoyu and zafina types, etc. like no shit if you couldnt sidestep anything at all, the game would be a full on, record breaking failure, not just having some dumb shit in the game idk what the twitter or youtube arguments are for this game being mashing-- but my point is why does the game need more of that low risk high reward shit never once did i play tekken 7 throughout the 1,000+ hrs, with all that that game had and thought, "man this is too much neutral and defense, so much interesting interaction, if only there was more 50/50s; Katarina, negan, feng, etc are engaging all of my brain muscles right now" if my point is 'why is --dumb shit that makes defense a task and offense a breeze-- added to the game', the counterpoint doesnt make much sense being 'look, it has what the old games already have' while ignoring when the bullshit happens like, i just want a real reason as to how it all makes the game more interesting in any aspect besides visually (pros that outweigh the cons of adding them). as if im trying to get a new car expecting it to be better than my old one, but it handles worse and they say "look, but it can still drive, so what are you complaining about?" i just have yet to talk about this with someone who favors 8 without it being emotional my points arent an attack on you its only a question about the value and direction of the series

[@saramegan2243]

there are also those who say that Bryan is weak and overrated. Maybe then they are the ones who don't use him well because a Bryan used like this is terrifying

[@anthonyreese5010]

Plays a defensive play style from T7 and showed it can beat the rush down T8 . Love to see it

[@GRdoubleZ]

So glad to hear that you're making a video on Dragunov. Can't stand fighting that character. So ridiculous.

[@chucklos391]

The longevity and legacy skill is what makes him the GOAT. Arslan is the best player at the moment, but Knee is the GOAT.

[@politicz1264]

Knee is so good at Tekken, that I want him to lose now.

[@Wolfgang_von_Caelid]

That's a weird way to spell "Pakistanis."

[@anasmalik3263]

@@Wolfgang_von_Caelidwhy every thing bad you put on Pakistan ha?

[@spongebobsquarepants-ts7yt]

Cause Pakistan is bad

[@okidoki6457]

Knee the goat

[@Not.Today.Son.]

Tell me that you hate Jin without telling me that you hate Jin 😂

[@kuanishaitimov321]

Knee is black! 👍🏿

[@janlip0849]

Finally someone crushed a dragonov player

[@LibertyForAll-l3q]

Dude u should play some tournaments too, there are loads in Sweden

[@bozzie_]

5:25 over half life gone in 7 seconds, none of it recoverable. Actually clownshoes how Dragunov is balanced.

[@straightlead8]

Wow.

[@darkninja9499]

😂

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Dude he hit him with two ch strings and a low. Most characters can do that much on average. Of all the things to complain about with Dragunov this ain’t one of them.

[@darkninja9499]

@@azuresaiyan9005 name them

[@aymanehomail4307]

I need to see u vs knee again

[@youssefsalem135]

I wanna see some buffa to dj just to watch qudans be able to compete in this era 😢

[@Tezca-Coatl]

Kudos to knee, but nobody glazes up pro players like tmm lol😂 still amazing set to watch, i was actually thinking the exact same thing just as he mentioned how effortless knee made this look - he must've been labbing dragon since release or something

[@faizantanveer5926]

Make a video on The jon

[@SyfyKnightKoi]

Cool man cheers 🍺

[@tylerswanigan402]

Howcome mainmanswe never go to any fight competitions?

[@KoufalKoufax]

He is good but not on a tournament level I guess? but he used to attend evo in the past

[@Someone_Somewhere7]

He's got a son to raise.

[@milliumorion1849]

@@Someone_Somewhere7 Lol no he doesn't. His wife left him so his son only visits him.

[@tallwaters9708]

Nerf Bryan! Crazy sh*** like snakedge breaking the gam!!!

[@KrTun]

the glaze

[@theemotion6307]

Best Bryan in the world ❤

[@KDBSPORTS_ENT]

Always taking shots a jin. Now jins demon paw is OP. You got to stop the hate 😂😂😂

[@gian_zx1197]

is feng that bad in T8 for Knee to ditch him?

[@lolgreek123]

Ulsan pressing on +5???

[@hamheadqt6763]

Watch dragon get buffed after this set

[@bapesta5277]

And then he played shadow and got cheesed sadly

[@DemonKnight94]

Well backdash is still too weak and too much mixups.

[@RickRockerMusic]

Bryan is no slouch Tbf. He has some insane pressure and mixups. Not to mention his heat. Top 10 for sure

[@leonard9624]

Nah

[@SupMaHomies]

I disagree. His mixups are reactable and very slow, and his pressure is almost entirely based on mental frames. In T8 the game is designed around aggressive play, and this is an area where Bryan falls short. His heat is great, but the area he actually excels in, which is combo damage and wall pressure, have a very real weak point: They leave the enemy with a LOT of recoverable health. Bryan may launch you for half HP, but 70% of that is recoverable and the only true way to knock that down is using hatchet, which is so slow you risk being counter hit. He also lacks a good armor move, being so slow that often if the opponent uses a move and the armor absorbs it, they can still duck in time to get a launch. He's a great character and when played optimally, like you see Knee do here, he looks great. But he has far too many weaknesses to be classed in top 10. I'd say top 10 would be characters who have great fundamental T8 tools, that require lower execution and have good pokes, where the damage caused is permanent

[@FlokiTech]

​@@SupMaHomies The best player in the world, Arslan Ash has Bryan as the 11th strongest character, but tbf what tf does he know. You are probably right and he is wrong /s

[@SupMaHomies]

@@FlokiTech wow, I didn't know top 10 actually had 11 characters. Incredible, you really do learn something new every day

[@RickRockerMusic]

@@SupMaHomies oh wow, 1 off from top 10, I’m SO off from his OPINION haha

[@ThisIsEduardo]

watching Knee in that tournament made me want to learn Bryan Fury since the game has alot of brain dead mashers 😂😂😂

[@seeker0587]

everyone cry about sneak 4 and you can sidestep the shit out of it

[@alishaw.978]

happy b day sorry I missed your bday by two day

[@meysamsamadi7587]

Is tekken 8's Bryan his strongest version?

[@YanParoni]

nah tekken 5 bryan is broken this one is good tho

[@polarenergy4801]

SS to JU its not defense its movement , Tekken 8 lacks defense.

[@JoJoJ000]

Every character I don't main/play/or like is no skill - mindset

[@AbdullahHaider-o6e]

All korean were using rage arts it was working on others but didn't work among each other

[@lemstryZ]

Still waiting on Yoshi vid

[@jonathanjefry]

the blocking on the characters on story mode is way too exaggerated

[@turaabi]

bring back the old intro or make a new one with a better rift

[@Mr_Rebell10us]

4:53 🤣🤣🤣