Knife Comparison : CIMA-1 (ESEE-3 Clone) VS Ontario RAT-3

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[@agoodun]

The cima knife is amazing. Can't beat it for the price. It's a beast

[@vibeslide]

I'm using my CIMA as a cheap beat-on knife for 3 months now and i'm pretty happy with it. It would even be a nice EDC knife if the sheath was better. The edge holding is somewhat comparable to the condor bushlore from what i can tell and it's also tough as nails and rather easy to sharpen. For 20€ it's incredible good value. The build quality is surprisingly good, too. Would throw money at communists again.

[@MrAndrewmcgibbon]

Jeff, My Idea for knives like this is at $15 this is a great knife to learn hand sharpening. Repeatedly dull the knife and sharpen it. you can use it as a shill builder on a few things like fire making, sharpening, etc.

[@djaksfred2675]

The RAT 3 costs between 100 to 110 uk pounds the the cima only 20 pounds. its nice to have an original, but, i carnt afford the RAT 3. ive used the Cima 1 for just over a year, its served me well. thank you for the review.

[@CommonCentsOutdoorsman]

Looks like a great alternative Jeff... thanks for showing! I think I'll pick one up.

[@jeffreywest292]

Not sure I would call this a "copy". being a completely different steel, way thicker, heavier, and longer, but similar in style makes it at best "inspired" by the Rat3. Still, planning in getting one. At $16 you almost can't lose.

[@CedricAda]

Begun, the clone war has

[@kodiak1340]

Indeed master yoda

[@PrioritySurvival]

Lol

[@alldayedcers9454]

I love these comparison videos, keep doing them!

[@sameold77]

I have the Cima and agree with your points. Sheath sucks, it's heavy and thick, but It came razor sharp. $17 is a good price. Thanks for sharing.

[@Schmidt54]

Hey Jeff, thanks for getting out this information! I just ordered the CIMA knife, I have been looking for an affordable knife for my small "EDC bug out bag" to replace my folding knife in it.

[@wallyworld2174]

The Cima is a lot of knife for $16 period! Great review thanks for being honest. Jeff I don't believe for a minute that you wouldn't buy the cima, It"s just too good a value and you are a smart man! Your name is cutlery lover not overpriced cutlery snob! A reasonable man like yourself who works very hard for his money can appreciate "high end" functional art cutlery as well as well made economical "common man" cutlery. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@TheFROSTER420]

Well put.

[@Merquades]

he doesn't really have a choice if he wants to be friends with real knife makers. You can't say people should buy a copy, but you can say it's a damn good knife hahaha

[@wallyworld2174]

Merquades- I completely agree with you, the real knife makers are watching close haha. Jeff chose his words carefully, fair review for both perspectives.

[@Merquades]

If we want Jeff to get knives from the sources. he can't go around saying cheap Chinese copies are just as good for normal EDC... honestly, he is doing a great job giving his thoughts without diluting them and without angering anyone

[@wallyworld2174]

I agree and completely understand, it's the world we live in lol. I'm just glad we have options,something for everyone. peace

[@preppingforbeginners1347]

I should be getting the plain edge tmmr !!! great review man!

[@thenextarcher]

Hey cutlerylover, Can you start putting the name of the product you are linking next to your amazon links?

[@oleboy7615]

I have both these knives as well as the ESEE 3-MIL, and I’m happy with all three. For the money, you cannot beat the CIMA.

[@graemegourley7616]

The fact that the CIMA has a longer handle is a huge improvement over the RAT 3. The RAT/ESSE are basically three finger knives....

[@flashdamingo]

But isn't they Esee 3 slightly longer in the handle than the Rat 3? So the clone would be of the esee 3...

[@wallyworld2174]

theFROSTER420 Thanks for the kind reply, glad to know there are other likeminded reasonable opinions out there, have a great day!

[@randyyeager]

7CR17MoV, it's 440A modified which contains more elements vanadium, the benefits of Vanadium (V) • Increases strength, wear resistance, and increases toughness the recommended hardness about 55/57 HRC.

[@randyyeager]

came from here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_blade_materials

[@DickPoleman]

Jeff...I am glad that you got around to talking about the CIMA-1. I bought one a few months back after waiting on Gearbest to replenish their stock. The knife and the price are okay/good, but I think that there are better choices. I found the jimping to be like a cheese grater and the knife particularly heavy. The sheath is nothing special, but what bothers me the most is that the handle scales are slick and slippery. I don't remember if they are supposed to be Micarta, but if they are, it is a poor representation.

[@GunnarThe1980sMan]

I have the CIMA-1 and it is a grate camping knife. Since it is so heavy it feels very good in the hand. if you can sharpen a knife I recommend this knife

[@ScottieG59]

The CIMA-1 7Cr17MoV may be a little softer than higher carbon steels, but the chromium content puts it well into the stainless steel category. That may be attractive to those less inclined to frequently clean and oil their blades.

[@Mr.56Goldtop]

Hi! I had mis-placed my edc Kershaw Piston while moving. Now I have just found it, but it doesn't open as quick and easy as it used to. It probably just needs a little lubrication. Any suggestions for a lubricant? Ted

[@4dslayer]

I carry my rat 3 everyday and love it. Never fails me!

[@bushpilotdude7154]

The little bungee cord at the bottom is used for attaching to a tactical vest 😁

[@letsgojmo]

Competition is good for the consumer. I just bought the CIMA for $18. If I loose it in a two weeks it was worth the purchase. I can't say the same about the others options. I'm not an elitist when it comes to tools. I want a tool to be durable and effective without having to worry about damaging, loosing or breaking the tool. Its hard to believe there isn't a great knife under $50 (especially when china is in the game). For all functional purposes the CIMA (aka el chinito) makes a durable and effective survival/bush knife.

[@jorgefajardofajardo5718]

Where did u order it from? The cheapest i found it is 27 dollars

[@taolandin]

Last time I was this early Cutlerylover had to pull a gun on me.

[@TacticalPatriot-hd7hl]

Shut up

[@taolandin]

Tactical Patriot2000 Triggered...lol get it.

[@krutonsbproductions]

haha way to immature for youtube bro. we all know youtube only allows the most mature humans to comment....

[@zach9680]

I thought it was funny.

[@workingclassless84]

ha! nice one.....

[@400ss]

I know this video's a few years old but I believe Cima is referring to a summit or peak (Cima in Spanish directly translates to that) since there appear to be two mountains behind the branding on the blade. I imagine just a marketing attempt to make the brand seem outdoorsy.

[@ArmyGrunt1986]

Hey, thought you might find this interesting. I just to Walmart and they started selling Spyderco knives in-store.

[@CrizDuB]

Hey Jeff, could the sheath being very tight on the Ontario be dangerous as you could slip and cut yourself pulling so hard?

[@NorseAlpine]

No, you should just push off of the thumb push off on the sheath

[@360gunner]

SOOO gald to see you back to the knive videos! Great work! THIS is the legendary Cutlerylover we love so much.

[@Aintnorestforthelicked]

The last time I was this early cutlery lover still used balisongs

[@ramonvelasquez8431]

Cima means the top of a mountain in Spanish. Not sure why they decided to call it that, but it's a cool name. Both good knives! Obviously a bit better steel on the RAT 3 for the 1095 but the heat treatment on the Cima seems to be decent for what I've heard, so I guess it's hard to beat for the price. It works as a good work knife that you can use without minding it too much.

[@dougolgreybearddinowoodydu1845]

I agree finger choils suck as most are for scrawny fingers not fat/large ones that go with big/wide hands. For me the larger handle and far less in price (some of us have far more restricted fixed incomes) makes this a reasonable buy. Especially for a trunk/truck/beater knife. Thanks for doing the comparison and for all the good vids you do. Please keep up the good work. ol greybeard dino ; ,- ) >

[@Cliff_Dixon_42]

Seems to me the CIMA-1 might be a good knife to try if you're WONDERING about getting a fixed blade like the ESEE-3 or RAT-3. If you really like it, THEN go for the Genuine Article. If you don't, . . . oh well, at least you're not out $75 to $110.

[@captron7250]

So CIMA is really not a direct copy of the RAT3 or ESSE3. thanks for the comparison.

[@joshuaalexander1235]

Nice vid bro

[@tonymengela]

The rat is not worth $100.00 more

[@mattmar7543]

Does the CIMA-1 fit in a Rat-3 or Esee 3 sheath?

[@joemoran1632]

Hey Jeff Bring the story time vids

[@TacticalPatriot-hd7hl]

And food videos

[@charlescollier7217]

Timely comparison. I just ordered a couple of the CIMAs on GearBest. I'm a knife nut, but I also like a good beater blade and a bargain, and this fits both those categories. In fact, the mid-grade stainless steel may even be a bonus, not so much for jungle survival, but for for my EDC use, which includes a lot of food prep. We'll see how it pans out.

[@MrPirreE]

Dont agree that the plate with beltclip on the Cima should be on backplate to save some grams. As it is now i can screw it off and that gives me options of carage. On of this options is to use the cord and cord lock that comes in package to thread in revets of the sheath and wear it scout style. And if it is a clone even if dont look exact the same then is also example Cold Steels parangs and katanas clones...

[@trevorhiltz7198]

does anybody know how good the retention is on this sheath?

[@jeremyd2003]

Can you still buy these?

[@ogarzabello]

You just sold me a Rat-3 knife! I'm buying it!

[@MichaelWilliams-cd9ks]

I bought this knife w/straight blade and am very happy with it. Cost only 22.00 bucks. And put the other $80 back in my pocket. Money well spent..

[@quirogan]

Where can I get this knife for $17 bucks?

[@jackright9638]

does anyone know if a tek loc fits on the cima?

[@Imightberiding]

The round cut out at the base of the blade is to facilitate sharpening the full length of the blade. People always assume it is a place to put your finger for choking up on the blade. It is in front of the finger guard & not a safe location for fingers. Sure, you can place your finger there for finer tasks but that is not its primary function.

[@uncleboogie69]

just put a ranger band at the top from the top part of sheath

[@Ktmoney123]

Hey Jeff, is there an email I can reach you at? Thanks!

[@impuls60]

I bought that knife because of the grind and handle. But why cant they put 440C steel into something decent looking like this?! I didn't know it was a knock off when i bought it.. I dont understand why the chinese can't make their own designs with full flat grind and composite\G10 fat handle. It would be nice if they changed the colors and skipped the finger choil so it wouldn't be a copy also. Have anyone tested the hardness of this steel or have a comparison to another steel?

[@RedRacconKing]

what is the cheapest folder with S30V blade steel?

[@RedRacconKing]

Stanley Clark thanks

[@KnivesGalicia]

Nice knives

[@jmbnorth]

Im impressed with it for the price. Definitly worth throwing in the truck for a beater knife.

[@newcoyote]

I've never been a fan of Tek-Lok. Way too bulky. Even the mini ones. This does not look bad. My favourite sheath clip is Spyderco's G clip.

[@bilbobaggins8876]

so, 15 bucks for an extra sheath and extra micarta handles for my rat 3.....not a bad deal!

[@tyliful]

can you take the scales off?

[@frederickj.7136]

Yes, if you promise to still respect it in the morning.

[@jakewallace528]

NutnFancy just release a limited edition knife. It's pretty cool. Limited to 500

[@martinaee]

That's cool. He can go annoy his own followers with his bullshit.

[@MrSlicer2424]

$61 for $28 knife with Tnp stamped on it? nutnfancy has inflated sense of self-importance.

[@pickledbologna]

did it take 40 minutes to find out?

[@ajatx1080]

point in general this is a great knife for the price! bought 2 on Amazon for under $40 seems stought! hx outdoors survival seems like a decent budget blade as well might try that out as well.

[@obliviontactical7974]

8cr13 or 9cr I'd buy all day long at that price. 17 I just think I'd be sharpening too much. For that price range I'd rather have a Mora.

[@bigmofo1122]

The CIMA-1 is clearly a ESEE-4 clone. The size don't even match the ESEE-3.

[@40belowful]

wow! good value for a knife:)

[@TheHairOfElendil]

I have 2 cima knives and they are worth the 30 bucks.

[@CrizDuB]

Wow early again?! What are the chances?!! 😂

[@jeffwindle2417]

I'm a fan of cheap Chinese copy knifes there cheap and interesting.

[@Wavester64]

288th - I think the earliest I ever got here ;-)

[@matteocarbonara3186]

That is an outstanding knife. Thank you sharing I will definitely pick one up!!! Nice video..OKC produces a good quality but their sheath system for my tastes and other equates to a below average product.

[@bebo7002]

cima is spanish for top of the mountain

[@buellboy007]

It's tight that's what she said

[@garageman_]

The CIMA's screws attaching the clip to the sheath are on backwards lol

[@garageman_]

Pussy

[@garageman_]

I wouldn't be so sure about that bud

[@TecoOPlays]

Pinochet did nothing wrong

[@garageman_]

You are known as an idiot

[@TecoOPlays]

Free helicopter rides for all my comunist friends!

[@stevanoutdoor]

The RAT 3 is way to small for my hands. I got it, tried it and sold it right away. A waste of money. Looks like a knife build for smurfs. :)

[@ghostbusterr-dv5pt]

am I the only one who got a Gucci add with Jared Leto ?

[@vitocarbonara7770]

For 16 bucks cant complain

[@-trmxzer0-235]

7cr17 is basically Chinese 440A

[@MrDouwek]

Standard mora is a far better knife than this at the price point

[@theblackanarchist2863]

Nope

[@vitocarbonara7770]

Great knife awesome. Way to go 🇨🇳 you guys are grande!!

[@jeffwindle2417]

if it ant tight it ant right

[@beholderlt]

If CIMA had 1095 steel I'd buy it immediately.

[@ilijabonevski1042]

do you know how bad of a steel that is,or did i just not understand a joke

[@beholderlt]

It's superior to 7Cr13MoV, especially for survival purposes. Also, it's cheap.

[@ilijabonevski1042]

+beholderlt my favourite steel in that catagory is 440 c

[@hotsteamypudding]

good steel is why they slap so much extra cash on. If you want good steel and cheap then you cant do much better than Mora really

[@alholsbo5934]

Rat for sure 👍👍

[@goodknight37]

I broke my cima first time using it

[@ehkruse1]

I wouldn't even bother with a 7cr13. bought one, and it was the last one.

[@jb678901]

But this is 7CRMov17. What was your point?

[@ehkruse1]

It wrote down the wrong numbers, I just looked it up. it was 8CR13mov used for the knife I had, which i found to have considerably lower performance than 440c, which is nothing stellar to begin with. 7cr17mov is considerably lower performance than 8cr13mov. There's a very good reason for that price.

[@timkitzmann1814]

7cr17 is like 420....not 420HC, but 420. Gerber steal.

[@xFallenAngel]

Nope. 7cr17 is far closer to 440A. In fact, the only real difference is that 7cr17 contains nickel, while 440A does not.

[@Standswithabeer]

I don't get it. This CIMA knife is a good value; it is not a strong copy of the RAT3. The differences are significant, although it casts a similar shadow while sheathed. I just bought one and I am pleased with it.

[@menardsgoldies9839]

Hey cutlerylover

[@eerkie7087]

400k wow

[@gammarayburst4763]

Hey Jeff check your fb messages I asked you a private question know your bust and have alot of subscribers that bother you but really wanted to know the answer thanks for your time....

[@mellonmarshall]

last I heard he didn't use Facebook

[@gammarayburst4763]

+mellon marshall thanks for the info mam ...

[@Player_Review]

I don't recommend anyone go survive in the jungle with nothing but a CIMA-1.

[@jakefromstatefarm1405]

lol, yup

[@TacticalPatriot-hd7hl]

I would recommend a Ontario rtak2 for jungle survival

[@Player_Review]

Tactical Patriot2000 Solid choice, the 5160 spring steel sounds ideal.

[@TacticalPatriot-hd7hl]

+Jeremy Madsen thanks, and I agree, it's a great hard use steel.

[@jakefromstatefarm1405]

I'm looking for a fixed blade EDC sub 4", best suggestions?

[@iscariotproject]

let me save you some money the cima sucks and it bent sides ways from making some kindling,just get the ontario one

[@REDMARKART]

Its basically the same damn knife! why would I convince myself that differently named steal makes one knife that much more valuable than another otherwise identical one. You guys play right into the hands of these greedy price gouging corporations. Survival is all about being economical and if i can buy 7-8 cima-1 knives for the price of 1esee-3 why would I even think twice?

[@darksoul4961]

You are greatly mislead. Those are two different knives. Rat is copy of Kizlyar .... Now what? Yep.....

[@tikkidaddy]

Cima...Chinese..IMAtation😄😄

[@patricksamples2737]

I speak Chinese and that translates to "Vote for Trump"

[@stevanoutdoor]

LOL

[@tikkidaddy]

Well...then you need google translate...