Knotless Box Braids on 4C

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[@playg1rlrav]

I could not 4C this style in my hair, now I can.😂

[@geminipeterson2242]

😂😂😂

[@msjuicycouture22]

That pun 😂🔥💯

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Hilarious 😂

[@playg1rlrav]

*slaps knee* well, I’ll be toast on a skillet.

[@jayniagray9478]

this comment is so underrated💯💯💯

[@jaebeablessings1005]

Girl your parting game is on point!!! A lot of stylist don't want to work on 4C...I get it, I'm 4C. But 4C is versatile! 👊✊✌ Your Client...She CUTE!!! 😘

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Ty.

[@saintofgod1244]

She really part straight fo real.

[@PrettyGurl12361]

Jae- very very very versatile. I rather work with one of my daughters who have 4b-4c then my other daughter who is 4a/3c. My daughter with 4a/3c it curls up every time I put water, gel whatever in is soooo annoying that when she was younger I cut it short and brushed it straight.; she can't wear styles other than wash in go or cornrows.

[@saintofgod1244]

@@PrettyGurl12361 Giiiiirrrl YOU BETTER START THANK THE LORD GOD FOR YOUR DAUGHTER 4a/3c TYPE HAIR! cause I would LOOOVE a daughter with 4a/3c type hair RIGHT NOW & I WOULD LOOOVE MY HAIR TO CURL UP WHEN I put water or gel in it. HA!

[@onlythereal3233]

Saint of God! i mean i understand what your saying but i don’t think you should go round shouting that in yt comments lmao

[@calbrown9367]

4c hair is perfect for braiding. Its good and strong if healthy. Looks nice 💚💛💜

[@LaPetite510]

I agree! I have type 3 hair & mine sucks when braided as it frizzes and slips easily. Braids don't look as neat for long in my hair. Type 4 is much more versatile imho.

[@psyourauntie]

4c is the best hair for braiding

[@PrettyGurl12361]

Cal that is right. My daughter has 4a and it soooo hard to braid.

[@lifewithzinnah]

right that’s why i love my 4c hair

[@lolabunny1157]

Exactly

[@MsBaileyLayne]

When I learned how to braid back in the 90s they were knotless but folks wanted that knot look! The more things change the more they remain the same

[@peacheskong2245]

Literally! It's something I discovered on my own while trying to hold short hair and wanting to do bigger box braids. Lol

[@temitopeakinlemibola5613]

The more things change, the more they remain the same

[@-tyrese-7931]

I’ve always hated the knot on braids, I thought knotless was somehow a new method because why does everyone have those knots on they head

[@pineapples8326]

@@-tyrese-7931 I remember being in elementary school seeing one of my friends have them I thought it was her real hair since my braids were always knots

[@YinLoveOfficial]

Wow I didn’t know this!

[@shamand2199]

Finally someone doing shorter 4c hair and not long hair. I thought it was impossible because nobody was doing it. Great job

[@AleDHawk]

I absolutely agree with your comment about the best hairstylists being versatile! This style came out super neat so thanks for sharing! 😘

[@missgurl-g3g]

My aunt does my braids , and my hair is thick. (basically a big afro😂)

[@lesleywilliams1717]

You had it right the first time.... If you are an AA stylist and you cannot work with 4c hair you are NOT a good stylist imo....

[@xJanay]

Lesley Williams Amen

[@PM-jq4lf]

Lesley Williams yeah she didn’t have to correct herself, sis was stating facts 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@mstoni269]

I guess someone was offended but its truth!!! You can't be a great stylist if you can't do 4c periodt!

[@CHOCOVIXEN85]

PERIOD

[@kathrynfuller9007]

I AGREEE!!!! My hair is manageable !!! They just be getting intermediated that’s why I don’t go anymore

[@MariSooOGlam1016]

Nah you the G.O.A.T. Because of your tutorials I was finally able to do knotless box braids on myself. It took me all night, literally from 9pm Thursday night to 12:18pm Friday afternoon, girl! But I did it! Please let us see you continue to slay 4C hair! Thank you!

[@LetsBeCivilShallWe]

MariJ C - That sounds like that time-honored duo of dedication and desperation! That dynamic duo is behind a lot of great hairstyles 💇🏾‍♀️

[@andrealedet9541]

Wow! I commend you for your dedication to your hair you'll get faster overtime with more practice it used to take me about 12 hours to install braids on myself now I can do it in about 8 hours my goal is to shave my braid time to 5 hours

[@erykahj.o.p1508]

I understand why you addressed what you said in your other video but actually I think what you said is right. As a hairstylist you should be able to service EVERYONE. There are way too many ‘stylists’ who make ppl feel like there is something wrong with courser hair when in reality they just haven’t learned how to do it properly/ prefer not to do certain textures...it’s wrong. You are amazing, so talented and I love your videos and your personality!

[@Goodshihh]

Wow😍 You have been slaying the 4c hair sisters lately, i wish i could get my hair done by you,

[@lunar_bIossom]

same, I wish I didn’t live on the whole other side of the country

[@caitlynarianna296]

lunar blossom same, I wish I didn’t live in a WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY 😭

[@Doni4Life]

Thank you so much for NOT telling her she had to come with “straightened hair”. You did an amazing job. This came out perfect!!!!!!

[@lolaadesina5362]

I think it's ridiculous that any black stylist will claim not to be able to work on 4c hair.

[@lakohadavis7214]

LAAAAAZZZZY!!!!!

[@derishaturner83]

Im not afraid to say that I lack the proper techniques so I don’t judge others. Id rather u say u dont know how than to have someone miss out on a desired look. However, I continue to grow. I struggle with my daughter’s hair for some styles and she is mixed but has straighter hair.😢

[@JammiesAndJesusPodcast]

I absolutely agree with your comment about the best hairstylists being versatile! This style came out super neat so thanks for sharing! 😘

[@Panicatthejazz]

4c hair appreciation 😃❣️ yes

[@villaceexyuri]

I have 4c hair and this is very helpful. Guess I'll be doing my braids better now

[@Tinag6451]

Yup

[@hairounaempress]

I wash shook at 2.5 packs of hair lol I’m here thinking sis you need 6000 gaggilion bags or hair and it’s going to take you 2 weeks to part the back of your very thiiiiccck hair 😂

[@MZJJ1987]

Not a hair out of place, very beautiful job ❤️👸🏽

[@funartcreations2190]

Thank you for not discriminating against short hair when doing knotless braids. I keep seeing so many stylists with length requirements. The whole point is to help someone grow their hair. So thank you!! 👍👍👍👋

[@olive1234567899]

4c hair is so beautiful and soooo versatile! Endless possibilities, I love it!

[@amabel__4531]

ok can we talk about how beautiful the person getting braided is? like wow?!?!

[@TrillBoyFlowers]

these are the best knotless braids i’ve ever seen. i can’t believe they’re so full

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Jade Mcknight thanks so much !!!

[@4evafaithful]

That's why I love hair braiders in Nigeria. Whether it's 4c or 10z, they've got your hair on lockdown and braided however you want. The issue of not being able to braid certain textures is a first world problem.😋

[@Smith1Sim]

Or first world laziness and excuses...

[@Aimanoshi_Aiyedun]

So true and most Nigerians have 4c or relaxed hair.

[@justsaying8358]

Right, in my country people will braid your hair and it will look neat, and they don't even use gel or blow dry it.

[@maribenzo9881]

The only thing bad is they braid the edges but they do be mad good .

[@lolo-hp3bt]

@@maribenzo9881 no they dont.

[@haircuttincasey]

You do some amazingly beautiful work. As a fellow hairstylist I have always been so fascinated and amazed at the gorgeous hairstyles that have come from African culture. I wish it was appropriate for me to wear them as well, so for now I'll continue watching the beautiful work you do!

[@delilahsjar4292]

Why isn't it appropriate for you to wear these styles?

[@haircuttincasey]

Q@@delilahsjar4292 I've read many times that it is appropriation and the last thing I want to do is disrespect anyone's culture.

[@delilahsjar4292]

@@haircuttincasey it's not disrespectful at all. Some people are just real sensitive about the smallest things. You should try it, if that's what you really want to do.

[@haircuttincasey]

@@delilahsjar4292 Thank you for your kindness! That means a lot. I just try to be sensitive to how others feel.

[@perfectionreleased2113]

Her hair is nice and full! Wow!

[@best18]

Wow, the client is so pretty! You absolutely snapped on these braids sis.

[@BabzBoop]

Love that! A real stylist . These new “I do hair” joints want you to essentially come with your hair already done

[@notenoughshay936]

They look so nice on her? With her face shape I love them 😍 now u got me wanting to try it out !

[@TeeRql]

Thank you for the 4c hair appreciation! And you are completely right. Your skills are amazing it looks beautiful

[@shanicejackson8802]

Clicked soon as notification came to my phone. Thank you for this bc my middle daughter has 4c hair and wanted braids.

[@tayix2623]

I like how it looks natural and fed up with her hair and that’s so pretty good job you deserve 100900999999989900 subscribers

[@five10queen]

Love it. And I think 4c hair holds braiding styles the best.

[@LifeAsDreaa]

Girl you really helped me how to braid your videos are so informative & helpful thank you for this!!

[@SJ-151]

You did a really good job. I was hoping to see this because I have medium length 4 b/c. And most if not all of the individuals who do, do knotless box braids always want the natural hair blow out straight or flat ironed.

[@alfie6441]

Omg she’s so cute 😂 you did a great job with this

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Thanks so much

[@moniquehelena_]

I'm brasilian ... i don't speak english but i love your job ... congratulations... When you see comments in Portuguese, you already know that I am!!rsrs...

[@andreareese1108]

YOUR WORK IS ALWAYS PHENOMENAL

[@brittanylemon4826]

I would love to see how this style as it grows out. It looks great but worried about how long it will stay that way on 4c hair. Frizz is a big issue with my hair lasting in braids like these.

[@damya3753]

Brittany Lemon fr my auntie was like it was going to frizz if in less then 2 weeks if i get this

[@raleighsmomi]

I have true 4c hair and i kept this style in for about 6 weeks. I was skeptical too at first but anpther 4c sister said she had it and motivated me. I say try it out! You wont be disappointed!

[@jessicaj.5429]

Mine lasted a good weeks before the frizz came through and I did it myself. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@charlisarogers7540]

Mine lasted for 2 weeks before the frizz started to happen! But also I workout a lot and sweat in my head so maybe that’s why.

[@Rnburse]

You’re an inspiration to my 12 year old daughter who is 4C and I struggle with her hair. Thank you!

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Yesssss I LOVE TO HEAR THIS 💕

[@Lu-cu7rm]

Thank you for the 4c comment. YOU SAID WHAT YOU SAID AND ITS TRUE. Im here watching because no-one in my city will work on my hair without charging a extra fee or requiring I straighten/damage my hair. Learning for myself. Thank you for all that you do for us nappy headed girlies.

[@ladyinred1983nay]

You just made that look extremely simple. Nice job

[@ariannaleggs7283]

You know I feel like the best part about getting your hair drone is the parting and nearness of the braiding . People don’t have to like certain hairstyles because that’s an opinion and preference but one thing is a must and that’s parting and neatness.🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾hallelujah your parts and braids are so neat lord. 🤗🤗🤗🤗❤️❤️❤️

[@marquintiarobinson3998]

This was perfect! Now all I need to see is a two week update.. lol I just feel like I’ll have a new Afro at the roots after a week😩

[@ericabmajor]

Marquintia Robinson girl exactly! I am so scared smh

[@breathtaking09]

4c hair in my opinion is the best hair to braid! Braids be looking bomb. You did a great job

[@jaezoeysvlogs9267]

I feel the same way, if you can't work on ALL HAIR TYPES then you shouldn't be doing hair. It's so hard to find a versatile stylist now a days. In my city, they charge an EXTRA FEE 🙄

[@spanishblood9899]

T G that’s a fact. Definitely not discrimination.

[@happiijuice5626]

T G it’s not necessarily more labor though. Texture differences are not parallel to labor. It’s a matter of skill and time management. Also adding an extra fee based on hair type is another form of colorism and division in the black community. But do carry on.

[@not-even-german4892]

@HOYAWNCÉ the Overrated Demon 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Bubbles_blue_xo]

T G apparently couldn’t take the heat 🤣

[@peacheskong2245]

I disagree with that notion that you should know all hair types or not be a hair stylist. You should know what you know and be good at it, those who don't want to do a certain type of hair, well it's more specific clients for me lol

[@aliciacalliste6784]

I love the fact that u take time to put all u use in the descripton box

[@_BraidsbyNikki_]

Looks awesome you never disappoint 😍 swear I watch your videos over and over just to learn 😊

[@VanessaBellaBeauty]

Can you do a video of jumbo knotless box braids?

[@tishpayne5368]

Gurrrl....the love you show for 4C Naturalistas is fantabulous! DOPE thanks for sharing your unbiased views & skilled diversity in hairstyles/care 🥰

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

YESSS this is def some of my fave hair to style on!

[@theawolfamily4458]

Yes queen you do such an amazing job on all these styles I love how versatile this particular style is you definitely went off👏🏽💪🏽👌🏽 Love you May God continue to bless you and yours as well as anyone reading this❤️👑🙏🏽

[@trackstar7729]

Thank you for supporting us 4c ladies! Love your videos. You save me 100s of dollars and spare my kids tears because glam by merry and you taught me how to knotless braid when I couldn't do box braids and knotless are even prettier🥰

[@kelljohnson7232]

I loved how you showed different angles ❤️ it was very helpful

[@nashaluv7802]

I agree with you about 4c hair ! If you want to be a great stylist you have to push yourself. My step daughter has 4c hair and it was a challenge at first because I’ve never dealt with her type of hair ! Now I be slaying her hair as if it was my texture !

[@brisea5259]

My stylist told me 4c hair is the best texture to have for knotless box braids.

[@abbb8238]

Bri Sea im thinking of getting them

[@brisea5259]

@@abbb8238 Go for it. For me it was hard to find a stylist to do them or knew what I was talking about. Finally I did and they turned out so good, mines lasted 2 months. Here's a tip... get shine and jam to refresh your braids and your parts, makes it last alot longer.

[@princesskai13]

Why so ? Curious

[@TweenTime101]

Princesskaii13 kinkier hair is easier to grip

[@princesskai13]

Brenda B. Oh okay

[@anitaburton4662]

This is beautiful!! Thanks for commenting about the 4C hair...needed to hear that

[@violetblue2576]

I love your brading tutorials. And I love your Knotless braids you are the best braiding hair lady I've ever seen.

[@R6429-g3c]

You are so talented I really enjoyed watching your videos and I'm glad that you made the comment about 4C hair I totally agree a talented hairdresser can work with any texture of hair.

[@chrisco5850]

she looks so lovely! super satisfying to watch

[@chelseahenderson2873]

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have the most kinky 4c hair. I feel like alot of styles aren't meant for our texture because it is so hard to blend when your not a professional at all. I appreciate that. SUBSCRIBED

[@corethablount8936]

Girl you're a beast you didn't stretch her hair or anything got straight to the point

[@denisechisholm]

I'm so happy that I came across your video about this particular braided style. I love how you add the hair under & not over because this is how I do my Feed In Cornrows. That technique works perfect for me & other videos I watched they added the hair over the top of the clients hair which doesn't work for me. I mastered it the first try when I did it this way so thanks for sharing knowledge. You have a forever subscriber. 😁💙😍😍

[@jazmine1302]

“The best stylists are versatile” you said it best!

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Okuurrrr

[@tanaja]

Finally! Real 4c hair😅 thx boo😘

[@nebrewer2823]

I bought magic fingers last week in anticipation of this video. Thank you ❤❤

[@biocheem1014]

I like how our 4c hair looks short and stiff but it becomes stretchy and defined when you're braiding it

[@TheKianaRoe]

I feel like the knotless braids are way less heavier that the original box braiding technique. Instead of grabbing a whole glob, you just gradually add in the hair.

[@tanissacarter]

This video was so helpful. I couldn’t find a way that I was comfortable doing box braids on my granddaughters for fear it would slide. Thanks to you I have one super happy Princess who is loving her hair 🥰🥰

[@Blim.blam.on.blizzleBaby]

You did an amazing job! And your client is gorgeous. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Thank you so much!!

[@angelinajack]

God blessed you with hands of gold. I practiced so many times trying to do box braids and knotless braids, but I don’t have the best grip. I was hoping to make money this summer, I only really got serious about practicing this month. One day I hope I get to your level 👏🏽👏🏽

[@shop.ebla.]

This turned out really cute...your client is really pretty too❤️❤️❤️ These braids looks lovely on less kinky hair...but you make me wanna actually try it now😫❤️❤️

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

yesss do it! These are my fave.

[@ericabradley8526]

Wow! Can’t believe you didn’t even have to blow it out first. GREAT work! 😍

[@neeneebaby225]

It looks great! I would love to see a two-week update.

[@Nenegyrl]

Girl, you be doing the damn thang!! 💯 I noticed your little kitty baby too 🐈 lol. So cute! The hairstyle and your cat. 😁❤

[@PRETTYISMEDP]

I agree with u on the best can do all types of hair because a lot shoo tell me only box braids with the knot and I thank u for say that thank for supporting natural hair

[@talliesmart2]

Thank you ! I wish this could be seen by stylists that say they can’t work with 4c hair.

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Right!!

[@k.jimenez8868]

This is the best tutorial and her hair looks really good

[@sequoiaday6410]

Omg i love this, i watch all your videos you have helped me in ALOT of ways ..... everyone so surprised when i say i learned how to braid watching your videos. Over and over again.

[@JLatoy1]

Thank you for this!! Gives me hope with my 4c half and this style! 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

yesss you all can rock this too.

[@tiffanymcclarin2038]

Thank you!! I agree, a REAL talent can work on whatever walks through the door!! Good job Sis !

[@sweetbraidsbykay5072]

My daughter is 4c 🥰 and she motivated me to braid professionally.

[@weasleychicks93]

I've never done my own braids before, but I'm only two months into being natural, and since I cant get someone else to do my hair during this quarantine, I've been watching many videos to see if I can do it myself, and this is one of the only videos I have found that is helpful towards 4c hair ❤❤ thank you

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

You’re so welcome. Stay safe ❤️

[@terrieceleste9194]

You did a beautiful job with that young lady's hair so neat and professional 🙂

[@brelafaye_]

U make it look so easy I have to try this... looks like great idea for plaits for kids, painless and looks natural

[@charniecoco]

The black cat just enjoying he company is sooo cute 🥰

[@SimplyEb3]

Any type 4 hair a lot times get discriminated on by some stylists. Saying we can’t get certain unless it’s straightened because it won’t look good or be as slick and stuff. My only thing is back in the day natural hair was the only hair to work with at one point. I appreciate you as a stylist for doing all types of hair and styles. That makes a real stylist in my book. Thank you sis!

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

That part! I would never make a client flat iron, that’s crazy. I also feel like a lot of type 4 clients realize that it’s going to be a more natural look not super silky sleek and there ok with that.

[@SimplyEb3]

Exactly!

[@kivakarmen8628]

Wow, talk about anointed hands. She mastered that kinky puff that always rebells to blend in!

[@theyadorejor]

This is the best video I’ve seen and you’ve made so many great points about women with 4c feel like styles aren’t achievable on their hair. That’s exactly how I feel. I had found a stylist where I’m free and I heard she’s great but she charges more based on the texture of your hair and I thought it was a little unfair because I can’t help the way my hair is. I wanted to get knotless braids and I would’ve had to pay $400 bc my hair is 4c.

[@stephaniemasi9625]

Thank you!! I have short 4c hair and people act like it’s too difficult not because of the length but texture. I also have scalp issues (like bald spots and bumps) that I’m really sensitive about and it hurts when people judge me on it. It got so bad to the point that I haven’t gotten my hair professionally done in 2 years. I’m only 19 so it hurts

[@brittanyr1456]

I’d hook you up with some braids (not these lol, I’m still trying to learn) if you were near VA. Don’t feel bad. It’s easier for some people to be nasty because they don’t have enough grace for anything else.

[@thisnaturalgirlislocd]

Beautiful!❤ I'm a 4Cish natural and getting my knotless box braids on Sunday... hoping they look just as Great! New subbie

[@janfromcorporate]

thisnaturalgirlisdope they’ll be beautiful on you

[@thisnaturalgirlislocd]

@@janfromcorporate Thank you!

[@Deepseablue372]

@@thisnaturalgirlislocd how are your braids holding up? I'm about to get some this Friday and I have 4chair as well!

[@BabzBoop]

How did they hold up ?

[@toyactaylor5168]

So nice and neat was happy to find a video doing knotless braids on 4c hair & I also agree a great stylist can slay all textures of hair ❤️❤️❤️✌🏾

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Thank you so much!!

[@mirabellabeautyon63]

I love the method ur using ! This is really helpful....... thank you so much for Ur time

[@ladykima13]

Who ever 👎🏾 must have never done 4C before. This is nice!!!! & Neat

[@missjohnson3165]

4c or any natural hair free of straightening chemicals is the hair type God passed down to Earths original people.Women will learn how to do recessive trait hair b4 embracing and creating styles with their natural or on other sisters natural.Great work sis yet another dope creation❤

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Thanks so much! I always encourage embracing 4C its actually one of my fave textures.

[@Chloe-vp7bp]

You get the BEST looking braids with hair like this! ❤️

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Yesssss!

[@Acentra277]

I never thought braids were not for 4c hair. I've mainly seen women with 4c hair have their braids done and they look on point. But then again I'm from the islands so 4c hair texture is the most common hair texture here.

[@elizabethfaith2617]

It's not the braids, it's the knot less method. People think it looks better on ppl with slicker hair

[@miunicorn1324]

I have 4c hair and I can happily say that my hair is as versatile as I allow it to be. It just may take a lot more time and effort because my hair is so thick and coily. Also, I’ve been doing my own braids and twist since the 11th grade and I never blow my hair out. I simply stretch it for a few days first by braiding it right after it’s been freshly washed and moisturized. Just thought I’d throw that out there for anyone who feels like they have to use heat on their hair to achieve certain styles.

[@sierrathames1592]

fabulous😍😍 but whew she was able to put it up right after it got done. couldnt be me😂😂. love you girl❤

[@geminipeterson2242]

knotless box braids move freely right after they're done, no pain. Regular box braids you have to take ibuprofen and wait a week before you pull them up 😂😂

[@Ritareds]

@@geminipeterson2242 😂😂😂😂facts

[@aygeeawowede1337]

@@geminipeterson2242 😂😂😂

[@trecialive5828]

You're so right about a good hair stylist. Not every hairdresser can do 4 C Hair. I totally agree with you I am from the UK some times when a 4c walks in to the hairdresser's they say they have no time there fully book because one the hair is so thick And it's gonna take up their time for other Customers. But I absolutely love your work great job

[@Alicia_W413]

They look fabulous, and she's so cute!

[@Dopeaxxxpana]

Thanks so much !

[@angelnecole3389]

This is so cute on her 😭😭💕💕

[@KateeAngel]

It is so satisfying to watch 4C hair braided) now after watching these videos every time I see women with 4C hair in videos I want to see their hair braided! LoL I have not even seen 4C hair in real life close up

[@ThisIsLyric]

Love the look and the client is very pretty!

[@Ashhwitcash]

Can we see a knotless box braid tutorial with triangle parts or honey comb parting? Thanks