Knulli vs muOS with SURPRISE ending

[@adinwalls]

IMPORTANT NOTE: Bluetooth and artwork scraping is coming to muOS in the next release! Also, ROCKNIX has recently released a version for XX devices, so that's something to look forward to WITH OTA updates.

[@morterox2]

Rocknix is still very young, a lot of issues, it does have OTA updates and will sure become great in time

[@frooglepete]

Worth also noting that a HUGE win for Knulli is the ability to scrape manuals. Turn that off in the default scraper settings or it can take hours to download everything, but when you run into a particularly quirky game that you want some info on, just go into the game settings, set the scraper to grab the manual and re-scrape just that game.

[@andremalerba5281]

Didn't Anbernic added Native Pico8 support on the latest stockOS with Splore support? At least that was what I understood from their changelog and video

[@mouhabuntu]

I'm glad to hear this and can't wait for MuOs to be the best of all. I wish they do OTA, then it I swear to make a decent donation if they do.

[@Bobbylim323]

muos has Bluetooth and scrapper support but they have to be downloaded as separate applications found on the discord, muos is also the only one with gamecube/wii support albeit with only afew games being playable

[@quikzero]

The new alpha version for Knulli that's not in full release yet does have the booting auto-resume functionality and it's working well. So I'd expect that on their next public release

[@adinwalls]

Thats great news!

[@Sneakers8b]

I find the most trouble I have with Knulli, is actually with keeping WiFi connected. Too often I find myself flipping that switch to reestablish the connection, especially after it sleeps. Are others having these issues, I couldn’t find it in my searching of Google?

[@MrSh4W]

Have they fixed the battery drain on knulli?

[@SteeScribbles]

I get nervous when the knife is in frame 😬

[@adinwalls]

I do it for your nerves... You're welcome.

[@I4getTings]

Same, but I've just excepted that I'm gonna get Exposure Therapy, with a side of handhelds.

[@calculateddeclination5534]

MuOs on the rg34xx is AMAZING.

[@adinwalls]

Hehe glad you're enjoying it

[@Bibvock]

Great vid! Was great seeing Kim from Retro Fun Tech. She and her channel are great like yours😊 Keep the vids coming, friend!

[@nathanielpwitherspoon8807]

I love your new mug my friend! So excited for this video Thank you Aidin

[@adinwalls]

I have another Darkwing Duck related video on the way...

[@frooglepete]

Aidan Aidan Aidan what a fantastic TIMELY video. I have Knulli on all my xx devices and sync them with sync thing. Had to travel yesterday and overnight for work last night and was beyond grumpy to find out on 2 hour journey home today that the SP I suspended yesterday was now completely out of power. Interested to see your take on the two OS's, but I'm heading right back to Muos this weekend on them all. Can't be doing with battery drain when you shut the SP lid

[@adinwalls]

Hmmm Knulli's lid management is supposed to be better. It was working well for me. How old is your install?

[@frooglepete]

@@adinwalls I thought it was pretty current but I dig dive into the settings after watching your video and now have everything set to very aggressive, including full shutdown after idle times. I think part of it may also be SyncThing - being away from my home office I suspect the SP was continually trying to connect to something that's not there, so perhaps out and about the key is also to completely disable connectivity. I do adore Knulli and would rather not have to dive in and change everything so I'll keep plugging away.

[@MrSh4W]

Knulli drains my battery, stock is doesn't, mines a anbernic rg40xx h, brand new aswell, got be a bug

Scrappy and epic noir skin together elevates muos to a next level at least from ui perspective.

[@Brunoxid0]

I don't know, mate. I've installed knulli in two devices now and it's pretty straight forward. You can remote into the sd card by entering \\knulli in a pc and drag and drop all roms. Scrapper included, wifi and bt. Emulation station. For me there's no context.

[@adinwalls]

Yes it's easy but I have to consider the noob who has never done this stuff. These vids aren't really for seasoned nerds 😊

[@Vidalburgos]

@@adinwallslol this is true. We forget that this stuff just comes easy for us where the normal person needs videos like this so they understand the key differences

[@GoyoFreecs]

confirmed, is really good actually

[@ilkeryoldas]

What matters most for me is the number of systems they can emulate

[@Raphtor13]

Great video - thanks.

[@marcosborotti9053]

On MuOS you can map the menu to both the menu the and hotkey switch on retroarch hotkeys section and it will open the menu like you described.

[@OhmCookedMeals]

Have you tried the modded stock OS yet? It adds a bunch of additional apps boot logos and themes to pick from. It also properly repartition the remaining portion of your SD card so you can do single card setups over 64 GB. The deep sleep will keep it powered on for several days without dying.

[@adinwalls]

Gosh a d I thought I was down the rabbit hole... It has just begun!!!!

[@MrRetro90]

I really do love the Knulli GUI theme, especially carbon. But it seems to use much more RAM memory than muos. Not sure if that impacts the permance in any way.

[@frostbyte11]

Can't wait until MuOS Pixie.

[@emanuelec2704]

To upload the ROMS to knulli you can just do that from the standard windows file manager. In the network folder you can access the knulli share partition. Or you can use any free and open source program to access SD ext4 partitions directly in Windows.

[@adinwalls]

Yes its just not the easiest for most people.

[@foznoth]

The issue you have with Knulli setup starts with the conflation of PC and Windows. I think it's the greatest trick Microsoft ever managed. Considering the audience, people should realise there is more than one operating system out there, we used to have a plethora in the 1980s. I for one went through six in that decade. ext4 is a Unix based filesystem with features beyond what can be done with Windows filesystems. Strangly ext4 is pretty much the low end of Unix filesystems. Obviously the main issue with ext4 for most, is Windows doesn't understand it, and Microsoft are pigheaded about supporting filesystems they don't control. There have been software drivers for Windows to read ext4, but I'm not up to date on those. Paragon Software was one I believe.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

The Cube XX is the UNEQUIVOCALLY the best handheld of this generation.

[@adinwalls]

High prize. I might tend to agree.

[@thatguy00271]

The fun themes are why I love muOS. Fast boot time is great too

[@adinwalls]

Do you not mean Knulli.

[@BenJamin-ve4xu]

No, you can do it with a single sd card. For this, eject the sd card after the first expansion of the partition. Plug it into a Windows PC, format the user partition as ExFat, plug it back into the handheld. Knulli (Batocera) will generate the file structure. Only downside, some ports require manual adjustment of files to work.

[@MalcolmLim]

For Knulli another (faster) option to transfer (but definitely even more nerdy) is to use a VM with Linux like Ubuntu or Linux Mint, mount the SD through the VM (ex: VirtualBox) and allows much much faster transfers of files and/or roms.

[@adinwalls]

That is a really good suggestion for those who know what they are doing.

[@MalcolmLim]

​@@adinwalls yes indeed or if one is using linux as their primary OS - that won't be an issue at all with the ext4 partition. EXT4 is faster as well, so there's an added perk for that apart from having much better portmaster compatibility. I was on extFat originally when i started off with my RG40XXH then switched to EXT4 and never looked back.

[@orBro533]

noob tip 12: knulli unlock analog sticks for DC PSP P1 press menu & select :P

[@DanP2402]

For Knulli i just did a single SD card setup and transferred my ROM files on over SMB. This allows me to use portmaster no problem.

[@adinwalls]

Yes that's the method that allows for portmaster.

[@drunkenfarmerjohn42]

I'm currently using MuOS on the 40Xxx V, butt strongly considering migrating to Knulli to consolize it. If MuOS can get BT controllers working, it would be perfect for my needs.

[@adinwalls]

I'm sure they're just looking for the perfect implementation of it

[@sd3693]

Er, muOS has Scrappy (art scraper) and Bluetooth App (Bluetooth support). Not perfect, in either case, but definitely present. I think Bluetooth is going in the next muOS release, too.

[@adinwalls]

Hey I probably should have given this a mention but I always have beginners in mind when making these videos. That's why I made a big deal of the SSH thing with Knulli and focussed what comes shipped with muOS. As you say those features will ship with Pixie so maybe I can make a dedicated video then.

[@timseyer6769]

I tried knulli and muos both and the big selling point that swayed me to muos is the boot time. It just starts up so much faster. I mostly use my 35xx sp for quick sessions on the go so every second on the boot counts.

[@adinwalls]

This is a VERY strong point. In making the top down footage it became very apparent to me.

[@turnbasedtoddy7664]

I wonder whatever happened to garlic OS 2.0. I remember over a year ago people were saying that it was coming out soon for the XX devices but here we are and to this day I think all they have is a pre-alpha build of it I believe

[@morterox2]

The dev is really lazy

[@adinwalls]

I was in comms with him back in the day and he's a really busy guy, I think life took over. We forget these are guys doing it for the love and they have really jobs!

[@simplysanatori]

Great Video, The only criticism is that Knulli does have Moonlight though its technically through Port Master.

[@MrTomemac]

I went for Knulli. MUOS I like but not as much as Knulli. I have customized my own theme and did other tinkering and the on board functions meet my needs much better. But really either or are a fine choice for retro gaming on these XX devices specially.

[@mouhabuntu]

I will start to update the stock one first and then move to MuOS ince they release their new version.

[@KyleRuggles]

Gotta add Rocknix to that! I just installed it today, it's pretty sweet so far. It's been out for around 2 weeks. Wondering if this will replace Knulli on the 40xxv for me. I think you're using the old build of Knulli, pre firefly? We don't need EXT4 anymore for Knulli to get ports running properly. Moonlight comes with Knulli since the old version, but it's in the port section. it works! :) I'm confused, man! lol! 15:31 You might wanna add some text overlays to clear up any issues. Ahhh! Glad you had on Kim! But we don't need to use EXT4 anymore. Great vid though I think the info is a little dated by now. Try Rocknix!

[@CNP023]

Although youre correct, if the drive is formatted in exfat, most ports won't run correctly. There is some issue with portmaster and the way exfat handles playability where as ext4 runs everything flawlessly for the most part. Its in the portmaster discord.

[@KyleRuggles]

@@CNP023 That was fixed with Firefly, I believe? I had issues before with exfat and ports, not anymore with firefly. I think he was using the old version, maybe he made this video a few weeks ago prior to any of this.

[@CNP023]

​​@@KyleRugglesahh okay! I did not know that. Thank you for the info. Glad to hear that those issues were resolved because I ended up going with MuOS now I may have to revisit Knulli! Such a great firmwware.

[@KyleRuggles]

@@CNP023 Yeah it's great! Firefly cleared up all my issues with it. Give Rocknix a try too, Moonlight is built in, but for some reason I can't get the analog stick LED to go on. I'm just playing with it right now, it's pretty sweet! It has great cpu/gpu controls, governors etc, better than knulli in that respect. I'm still playing with it but I'm diggin it!

[@CNP023]

​@@KyleRugglesI have Rocknix installed on my Gameforce Ace and Odoid Go Ultra and it really is a sweet fw.

[@adamkane7513]

24:53 😂

[@angelheart7643]

Do Knulli, MuOs or modded stock OS offer Amiga and MS-Dos emulation? Such a pity that my RG35XXH with standard FW does not include it! Why Anbernic???

[@ToyKeeper]

Knulli's use of ext4 is a feature, not a bug. It's the only OS here which doesn't rely on an obsolete and frankly dangerous filesystem. The only reason anyone uses fat32 or exfat any more is because Microsoft has spent decades actively making life worse for users in order to protect its market position. That baggage has been dragging down the entire computing world, and Knulli made the right decision by using something better.

[@ilkeryoldas]

I'm not familiar with pros and cons.. why is ext4 better for retro handhelds?

[@ToyKeeper]

@@ilkeryoldas The FAT filesystem is the lowest common denominator, the most primitive and least robust fs still in use. Virtually anything else is a huge upgrade. It doesn't even have symlinks, or a journal, or case sensitivity, or hardlinks, or permissions, or common punctuation, or extents, or fragmentation protections, or ... etc. Really, ext4 is the minimum people should be willing to accept these days, and FAT falls well short of that minimum baseline.

[@BenJamin-ve4xu]

Microsoft earns royalties with their filesystems.

[@mcgoastface]

is there performans winner on n64 an dreamcast?

[@pixelbender1532]

You can do a single card install of Knulli with exFat. Maybe the part you're missing... 1) install Knulli and boot device to create file system 2) put SD card into Windows 3) load disk manager and wipe out the roms partition 4) in disk manager create the new volume, assign drive letter, and name it "share". 5) put SD back in device to recreate the file system (rom folders) 6) enjoy

[@adinwalls]

The guide on the Knulli website was very clear that the Exfat method would take two SD cards and break portmasters functionality.

[@BenJamin-ve4xu]

​@@adinwallswell, the guide is wrong 😅. And the ports can be fixed, but requires manual input into some config files.

[@Shauny_D]

Menu Button works fine with Knulli on the 40xxV

[@zenic12345]

For the SP I don't find a reason for Noli Mu OS is already far enough along where I'm happy being able to shut my SP reopen and press the power button be gaming in 10 seconds from off

[@zenic12345]

I don't use any of the xx Systems but with the pal kitty X55 Moonlight streaming has come in handy a few times edit most of the X X systems I just don't use Moonlight any of them

[@steel5897]

The latest version of Knulli has big frame pacing issues, at least on my RG40XXH. They set the display driver timings to something like 143hz, so it ruins frame pacing across all systems, you'll either get a late frame ever 4 or so seconds, or an audio pop at the same intervals. I'm always frustrated when there are big issues like this on something that KZbinrs never ever even detect or mention it and I feel like I'm going insane, until I track down a github issue and no, I'm right as always. This is fixable right now if you know your way around SSH and Linux but for everyone else wait until the next release.

[@adinwalls]

That’s a bummer! I’m sure they’ll get it sorted out soon though

[@Surai00]

I switched from MuOS to Knulli on my SP because I wanted to scrape my games and have it as a TV console. I'm not sure I like it as much, honestly. I never actually use it in console mode, and I'm constantly finding settings and hotkeys. I have to adjust where MuOS had them right. I love how you point with the knife. A subtle hint at being an EDC guy? 😅 And is that coffee or tea? I'm a professional coffee roaster. I love to see that, too!

[@drunkenfarmerjohn42]

What has kept me on MuOS is that everything makes sense where it is and, for the most part, I don't have to menu dive. I can tweak it if I want, and I have to some extent, but MuOS just works, and doesn't require me to dig if something isn't working the way I want it to.

[@Surai00]

@drunkenfarmerjohn42 not having to play hokey pokey to get my games on there is nice, too. Although, trying to take my MUOS folders onto a new Batocera drive I was making did create quite a mess.

[@adinwalls]

Hey! muOS have scraping and bluetooth on the way so maybe you can switch back. I made myself a little cappuccino with some locally roasted beans 😊 and I have recently gotten back into knives (I used to love them as a kid, I think maybe knives were big in the early nineties?)

[@adinwalls]

Waha. Hokey pokey! It literally feels like that. I'm sure some people are even shaking things about.

[@Surai00]

@adinwalls ahh, cappuccino, excellent! Locally roasted is the way to go. There are surprisingly almost no local roasters where I live. We are trying to show people the superiority of a specialty coffee roasted locally by skilled professionals. I personally enjoy my Americanos and lungos. Can't do the cream these days. I'll probably switch back to MuOS after I finish deciding I'm bored of the game I'm on right now. It doesn't seem to transfer saves and states as easily as I would like. I'm also skeptical about the folders and formatting for my scraped items. I couldn't figure it out so far.

[@MackWarlock]

Simple no tech skills, use Knilli. More tech Savey muOS, it is a lot better.

[@adinwalls]

MuOS is way easier to get started. I'd say it's the other way around.

[@MackWarlock]

@ flashing the SD card for Knilli is not hard. When Knilli is installed everything is already setup. muOS you need to do a lot of adjustments to the setting. Download new skins, adjust how it saves games and how the boots up. Adjust how it sleep and does a full shutdown. Retoarch is harder to setup. Booting to login to WiFi and retoarch before auto populating the game. You also need to add all the box art manually since it has no scrapper. Adding names and box art to the emulators. It’s it more difficult to setup. Please elaborate on how Knilli is more tech savvy and harder to setup.

[@bryan8360]

I might has missed it in the video, but was there any mention about running PortMaster on Anbernic stock os?

[@adinwalls]

I'm sure there is an obscure way to get it working but Anbernic have just gotten some ports to work, but no Portmasters.

[@Shauny_D]

I'm surprised you have Knulli listed as best for power. I switched back to stock os from Knulli because the power saving modes, sleep/suspend where HORRIBLE on Knulli for RG40xxV at least. Like about 20% power loss per hour in suspend mode. Stock OS only looses 1-2% per hour

[@adinwalls]

Wow that's bad. How long ago was that. They are very aggressive in developing and fixing issues. Like I said in the vid, all firmwares managed power quite well

[@Shauny_D]

@@adinwalls Last week, i tried working with the knulli team on discord, but they didn't really believe me and their official answer was just power it down fully. Which is fine i guess just an extra minute or 2 waiting between sessions but it was annoying enough that i went back to stock os.

[@jakesmith5278]

Knulli all the way for me. Pretty themes and automate artworks download.

[@exodous02]

I have to be honest, in the past I had to wipe the OS and install something better but the stock is good enough now. Forever I thought these companies just did not use the system and stuck a flaky/buggy place holder and let the community figure it out but now they are catching on and taking the time to make things work. I still like to play around with other OSes though. If you use Linux, which I know not many people do, Knulli is easy to use as far as file transfer, it uses the same disk format my system drives do, EXT4.

[@adinwalls]

StockOS still has alot of bugs which is why we have cfw but it's WAY better than before.

[@Clogmonger]

Don't most portmaster games work with exfat without issue now? Most of the complaining I see about knulli is always about having to network transfer when you don't have to do that at all.

[@New-Drone]

These are my 2 favorite handhelds from Anbernic! They are awesome!

[@The_Answer-e8z]

muOS all the way!!!

[@selfmademusic206]

Is this an out of season april fool's joke?

[@linkinterteid]

Когда создадут одну единую идеальную систему?!

[@adinwalls]

I boy can dream....

[@TheDarkmore]

stop knifeing those cards man

[@adinwalls]

No...

[@DavidEsquivellikesmacandcheese]

why the knife? so edgy. who is this guy?

[@adinwalls]

Hi... I'm the problem, it's me.

[@johnw3144]

Nice video. I enjoy hearing the opinions and discussion of the pros and cons. I left the stock OS on the RG34XX just because of the menu button working! I have knulli on a flipzizzle because of tech dweeb's cool theme. Muos looks really elegant though!

[@adinwalls]

MuOS is great and the next release will have scraping and bluetooth.

[@heaven_10.9]

Fanboys are gonna be furious with this one, pushing their garbage custom firmwares down our throat

[@quikzero]

First!

[@adinwalls]

You get a prize… good vibes.

[@milkyway6080]

First!

[@adinwalls]

lol…. Second