FRONT vs REAR Loaded GUITAR CABS! Is there a difference?

[@KohleAudioKult]

Which one is your Favorite?

[@jfloyd2919]

Rear

[@jp_is_out_of_tune]

Front

[@Thansferium]

Rear with the eq scoop! Still sounded a bit better than front

[@ZultyBoi]

Angled lmao

[@kevenrivard8719]

Rear !

[@666tonsofsquirrels]

Your videos keep getting better and massive respect for trying to control as many variables as possible, it's a big step up in terms of effort but it's really the only way to correctly critically evaluate audiophile forum BS. This is excellent content. 💪💪

[@Bloor005]

This just proves the old point that even if you mess something up with the hypothesis, its still teaching you something valuable.

[@KohleAudioKult]

True! 👌

[@vladlesg9096]

If you didn't change distance from mic to grill it's must makes difference in tone. Front loaded speaker move closer to grill and it's like moving mic closer to speaker and changing the tone.

[@KohleAudioKult]

No. In this case it’s the same distance

[@RyRyTheBassGuy]

@@KohleAudioKult I'm not surprised in the slightest that Fryette made sure the cones were the same distance from the cloth.

[@SlaverTheFlagman]

This is absolutely outstanding comparison. The main point is that we should focus more on the things that really matter and make a difference. Like the speakers themselves.

[@superflydigital]

Did you compensate for the 3/4 to an inch difference from the mic to the speaker? If your mic is right on the grill, the front mounted speaker will be closer. Might be a stupid question, if so I apologize

[@BlackPalmPincushion]

It's actually just a little more than that. it's the width of the speaker baffle plus the width of the speaker rim and sealing foam as well. good point though, since moving the microphone in or out an inch or more has to have at least SOME effect.

[@irishRocker1]

Came to the comments to say this. A room mic would have been a good test too Edit: got to the part where he realised the cabs aren't the same. One has angled baffle. Other doesn't so there's a null a a resonance bump

[@ericwilliams538]

​@@irishRocker1 I feel the same way.....

[@ericwilliams538]

So you're just moving the microphone however thick the plywood is, and padding on the rim of the speaker!! Right!!??? So we are simply moving the mic... Do all parties agree with this assumption!!????

[@J-F.Potvin]

If the mic is 3/4 inches closer to the mic in a front loaded speaker, one could assume that it would have a little bit more of the proximity effect.

[@figydscnvn9rek]

Great comparison. I'd personally point couple things,. 1) Electro-Voice/JBL recommend front mount their speakers since it holds the units stronger than rear mounting(and their speakers are heavy) 2) When micing front and rear mounted speakers FOR COMPARISON, one should remember that a rear mounted speaker is behind as much as the baffle thickness than front mounted speaker. Usually it's 5/8" and for a SM57, that's about the capsule distance away. And that extra palm-thick distance between a mic and a speaker makes a huge difference, especially on comparing purpose. So to be precise, the mic for the rear laded cab must be closer to the speaker as much as baffle thickness without the grill. 3) Sealed tighter(front mount) or less(rear mount) makes not much difference in real life, what makes the bigger difference between the same cabinet is the thickness AND overall weight of the cabinet. People easily forget the fact that the cabinet resonates as any other speakers and the thickness of the material used for a cab and its weight creates differences in result.

[@LucaJanota]

2) This is exactly what I thought would make the biggest difference. Just as you said the distance of the mic to the speaker due to the position in the cab.

[@infinidominion]

Cab volume, the space inside the cabs is important too. Too shallow and the bass is gone

[@figydscnvn9rek]

@@infinidominion reminds me recording the "heartwork" by carcass.

[@figydscnvn9rek]

@@LucaJanota Yeah, and I'm not saying Kristian has done anything wrongly, just pointing out this from my own experiments.

[@TroyPosey]

This is a cool and extremely knowledgeable video. I had no idea about the null between a straight vs. angled cab. This certainly explains why I always preferred the deeper (more open headroom) sound with rear mounted angled cabs. I would love to see a video with you testing this same thing again, but with a Mesa angled vs. straight cab to see if this anomaly is universal. Also, based on your videos over the years talking about Andy Sneap's famous Mesa cab, earlier this year I was able to acquire an amazing condition 1999 Mesa 412 Rectifier 280w cab, that still has the original 1999 V30's in it (date codes checked), and it is the most incredible sounding cab I've ever heard. Super tight, clean and articulate notes, fat, heavy, chunky, but not one bit of that flabby "woofy" sound like I've heard many other cabs have.

[@JensenSpeakersVideos]

Awesomeness as usual, Kristian! Great quality content, and impeccable test execution. I agree with your thoughts and conclusions. In a close.miking situation, all goes exactly as you demonstrated! I'd like to add one point of interest: Waveguiding/loading. This will be MUCH more important and noticeable "in the room" while as said, will be basically non-relevant in close miking. Here's the deal: in a rear mounted cab, the thickness of the speaker frame edge + the gasket + the cabinet baffle itself may easily exceed one inch (2.54 cm). This "frame" surrounding the speaker may act to some extent as a waveguide horn, altering slightly the overall tone and the dispersion pattern in the room. Usually this transfer in more "beaming", and a less regular dispersion off-axis. The thinnest the baffle, the less this will happen. Also, (again, in the room), this effect is increased by the thickness of the outer frame of the cabinet, which adds another potential interference with the speaker's dispersion pattern. In a rear-mounted cab, the speaker will be loaded twice, once by the baffle and again by the outer frame. In a front-mounted one, it will be loaded only and in a less relevant way by the outer frame. This is why, for example, we always measure our speakers in the anechoic room, front-mounted on the IEC test panel, to avoid interferences, resonances, loading, and diffractions generated by the test panel.

[@FryetteAmps]

We’ve been watching the comments to see if/when anyone would raise the topic. And a question: Which two speakers did you audition (by position in the cab) before choosing the one you used for the test?

[@KohleAudioKult]

@FryetteAmps I listened to all 8 speakers and went for the upper left from the Deliverance cab. For the speaker to speaker comparison I chose the most extreme example.

[@FryetteAmps]

@@KohleAudioKult In which location was the extreme example?

[@KohleAudioKult]

@FryetteAmps upper right

[@z0nnexie]

I really respect such a detailed and critical approach to this research! Glenn is proud of you! Thank you, Kristian!

[@DEJ915]

It is interesting to see the waveform cancelation actually shown. For me I've had a few of both and I mainly play sitting in my chair in front of the cabinet and to me the front loaded ones always sounds better in this scenario.

[@miketregle]

My first thought when setting up the experiment was “have you accounted for differences in cab construction?” And then you got there. Glenn Fricker would be proud.

[@dougleydorite]

Glenn the guy that says pickups don’t make a difference 🤦‍♂️

[@gastonjabaly]

I think Front mounted gets the mic closer so it gets more proximity effect if you don't have the cloth and you can get the mic even closer the mounting method does not matter much

[@miserychannel69]

My front loaded Diezel cab has a grill cloth.

[@gastonjabaly]

@miserychannel69 i took off mine to experiment with mic distance and it does make a huge difference

[@KohleAudioKult]

In that case, we would have a stronger low end in the front loaded cab. The way you mount a speaker has nothing to do with the distance from the grill.

[@stringsdiezel]

@@miserychannel69 Front loaded Diezel cabs (and all front loaded cabs) have a grill cloth that is removable. There are 2 small fabric tabs you can grab and just pull the grill off. The grill-cloth is attached to a frame, and that frame is only held to the baffle using velcro.

[@gastonjabaly]

@@KohleAudioKult more low end and as for my tests there is something happening with the mids and highs also but thats just me you probably went thru the bunny trail years ago hahah

[@TheGgreen100]

Fantastic video. Bravo for sincerely trying to eliminate as many variables as possible, and especially for the twist ending where you realized there were difference between the baffles. Subscribed, dude.

[@niclastname]

I can't even think of a reason why front or rear mounting would make any difference, if both cabs are the same. I don't know how the myth started that front or back would change the sound, unless people were just comparing cabs that aren't the same, or identical cabs with different speakers. Also, couldn't you do this test easier by just taking a rear-loaded cab, recording it, and then front-loading the speakers into the rear-loaded cab? There's nothing really stopping someone from just mounting them in the front on cab that is normally rear-loaded, is there? You'd just have to do the recording without the grill on since the speakers would be in the way, and to make sure the mic is the same distance from the actual speaker.

[@obdmpod]

This is so nerdy, so niche, I love it

[@KohleAudioKult]

Welcome! 🤘❤️

[@MFKitten]

The edge diffraction of the inside edge of the baffle hole will mess with the treble. You can mitigate this by beveling the hole on the outside. Fun fact: the hole also messes with the sound on the backside, but with these huge cones you probably won't hear that big of a difference when you bevel the inside edge. In hi fi speaker designs this does make a difference. Bonus fact: that same edge diffraction will mess with the treble if the speakers aren't flush with the baffle, and the side walls that stick out beyond the baffle will do the same. Could be interesting to put a bunch of foam along the outer edges of the baffle to absorb the edge diffraction, placed under the grille.

[@FrancisFarmerMusic]

Great work man! Awesome info and as true to science as one can be in this context. Dankeschön

[@SHARt_murmur]

Appreciate all the time you spent on this, love these kinds of vids. Also, has me itching for my Hapas I ordered.

[@Lizzieware]

That’s crazy, I would never have considered the 59 but that’s my favourite here. Thank you for opening my eyes! 😊 sounds like the Dimarziio needs a very bright set up to get the best of it.

[@KreativeDevices]

🔥 Another great video Kristian

[@Kuessi]

Great Video. Thx for this comparision. So i have new ideas to rebuild my self-built cab…

[@christophgrubor7365]

What a surprise! I didn't expect that, at all! This is a great video you can learn from. 💪 It would be great to double check the observation about the angled baffle. Diezel does build their cabinets the other way around. The rear loaded has a slanted baffle and the front loaded has a straight one. That would be interesting to see, if the differerence in the 540Hz does move to the front loaded, as well. It certainly will, but having that checked and making it visible, would be great.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Good to have that information about Diezel. I’m 100% sure the mid null / bump will be the same (frequency depending on the cab depth)

[@renebottinger4658]

Cool video Kristian 👍🏻 Would be great to repeat the comparison with the Diezel cabs. In theory, we should see the results the other way round, because Diezels rear loaded cabs have the slight angle and the front loaded ones are straight. 😉

[@KohleAudioKult]

Totally up for it! Now please convince Diezel to send me two cans 😎

[@renebottinger4658]

@ I own a frontloaded 412 I could borough you. We just need to find someone with the rearloaded cab and it can happen 😅

[@lzcpg]

Fortin is another brand that does both front and rear loaded speakers btw.

[@Brandon-RZ]

This is very cool. Makes sense why I always mic my angled speakers. Really dig the tone of those fane speakers. Any way you can do a shootout of a V30 vs Fane, maybe throw in the new Fane Lichtlaerm speaker in there. Thanks for doing this stuff Kristian!

[@davidhenderson8459]

I always thought of it as a very short transmission line, it makes sense that you hear it in the Mids. because you need super long transmission lines to affect low lows. and you also alter the baffle diffractions a bit but that would only be hearable with distance from the cab, not from a mic a could inches from the source.

[@whosrobertseed]

I think the only time you'd get a major difference in the lows is based on the amp in a room. Regardless of how secure a speaker is, it'll vibrate the baffle very different. 3/4 is a lot of wood to move, so the bloom will be fairly different, especially if it's grounded. Before we started touring i remember the first time I took my mesa off the casters and essentially never went back. Then had our orange cabs rebuilt by Omega, rhino lined in grey, and the bloom sound in the room was absolutely wild. (But i mean yes who cares about the amp in a room when producing LOL)

[@whosrobertseed]

oh then like two years later we went full ears HAHA. But shout out to omega they built us some absolute 4x12 tanks. One was even a bass cab and it absolutely RIPPED with the small form factor

[@Eliphas_Elric]

What I learned from this video is that I need a Fryette cab again. I used to have a Fatbottom years ago but lost it in a house fire. It sounded amazing with my Pittbull 50CL. I replaced the Pittbull but am using an orange 2x12 these days and damn now I want Fatbottom again.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Good choice!

[@Eliphas_Elric]

@ you ever try pairing a swamp Thang with one of those F70s?

[@game-box4105]

This is the kind of videos we desperately need

[@odie5268]

the thing I learned is.. you can EQ (post in mix, effects loop, in front...) anything and make them sound super similar...

[@michlshrudz3850]

I love your videos man but the best thing you did was introducing me to BARREN by wearing their shirt in your videos... awesome KRACH

[@KohleAudioKult]

Wait for the new album!

[@Durkhead]

With reg stereo speakers if the tweeter isnt flush mounted you get different reflections that effect the high end

[@jeffkellogg76]

Now you need to compare an angled top box. Mike the straight speaker position compared to the angle position and then mix the two IRs . Might be interesting.

[@tamayoamp]

Excelent info, thanks!!

[@TheStrykerProject]

I love and greatly appreciate shootouts like this, even though the physics of it all is really quite complicated. As others have noted, there's always something to learn. I wonder, too, as a mic moves away from the speaker (directly back away), at what distance from pos 1 to pos 2 is there a *noticeable* change in tone? If it's a quarter inch (~6 mm) or less, then I would believe that front vs. rear loaded would make a difference due to the thickness of the wood; if it's more like a half inch (12+ mm), then front vs back shouldn't matter at all (again, with the mic right in front). And, of course, different people have different sensitivities, so in the end, who's to say?! 🤷🏻‍♂

[@KohleAudioKult]

Thanks! 6mm won’t make much of a difference.

[@TheStrykerProject]

@@KohleAudioKult Heh...I didn't think so. 😉

[@russelw.6288]

Awesome video! You Could do the same thing and use the lower mounting point so both are straight

[@UhuStick]

Ich finde es gut, dass sich hier mit den wichtigen Dingen des Sounds auseinander gesetzt wird! (Nein, das ist kein Joke und keine Ironie. Ich denke es ist Common Sense, dass die Box und ihr Lautsprecher, den wichtigsten Teil am Metalsound ausmachen.)

[@BlackPalmPincushion]

Thanks for casting light on this subject. quick question, since there will be roughly an inch and a half difference in the distance from the grill cloth when switching from front to rear loaded, was the microphone distance from the grill cloth adjusted to compensate?

[@KohleAudioKult]

Front vs Rear loaded doesn’t mean there’s a different distance to the mic. You can correct that with the position of the grill.

[@groopuskul]

very cool video , at first I heard a difference in the stereo, thought the panning was different. now I am not that sure but still in the mix it sounds a bit different.

[@ovonisamja8024]

I'd like to see this test repeated with the same cabinet to avoid construction differences, and without the back board and without the front cloath for easier speaker replacement. Also 2 examples. 1 with the same distance from the mic to the cabinet, and 2nd with the same distance from the mic to the speaker (compensation for front baffle thickness). And off course, with examples for blind AB testing to let the listeners hear without their eyes. No pause for swiching between the two IRs or any screen stuff. :) Reveal the results for us later. What I suspect would happen is a simple static comb filter at a frequency which is tied to timing differences of sound ariving directly from the speaker to the microphone, and arival time of sound hitting the rim of a speaker hole in the back loaded speaker case first, and than the microphone. Similar to comb filtering with pop filters, but to a much lesser extent because of the fact that a speaker is much closer to the rim than mouth is from the pop filter rim. As well as entire system being static. Where in the case of a pop filter, sound source is always moving which makes the effect audible in the higher frequencies. So not sure if it would be clearly audible at all. :) Actualy, what you need for this experiment isn't a speaker cabinet at all. You just need a contraption to fix the speaker and mics which won't be moved. Than you'd need a simple board, big enough to act as a baffle preventing the sound radiating from the back of a speaker hitting the mic. The baffle could be cut in half and assemblet in front of the speaker, and than devided into two pieces and put behind the speaker, simulating front and back loaded speaker situations. This way the sound would be different from the sound we've gotten used to hearing with a normal speaker cabinet, but at least standing waves from the sides of the cabinet, as well as the SBIR effect caused by the distance from the speaker and back pannel would be completely eliminated. But this is an experiment which is trying to enswer the question, is there an audible difference between a front and back loaded speakers, and not, do we like the result. We don't have to like the sound, we just need to hear if there is any difference. Yeah, I know, it's ridiculous to most people, but than again, it's also ridiculous that people are having these kinds of debates instead of practicing in order to play better and put that in focus, instead of the sound. :) Sorry for a bit convoluted explanation to anyone who had a stroke while trying to make sense of this. :)

[@andrewbecker3700]

We all hear about the same differences, but describing them is sometimes difficult. Mostly because words are hard. To my ears, the main differences are in how focused they sound. That honk as you describe it. Is most likely caused by the thickness of the cabinet front, extending outward away from the speaker flange. Which acts like a horn for cetain frequencies. Projecting them outward in a smaller diameter coverage area. Like a choke on a shotgun barrel. The speaker can't create different frequencies, but they're being controlled by the directional baffling of the cabinet face thickness. On both sides, but in the exact opposite manner. Some higher end cabinets have a mitered recessed lip. That the speaker flange sits flush to the front face on. Then the cabinet front thickness can be split in half almost. Which puts the speaker in probably the best possible position of all. Dead nuts in the middle. Then what? Could be screwed in from either direction, depending on the way the front panel is machined. Splitting hairs now. I say eq them and rock out. Either way! Peace!

[@Touch2Much]

Straight baffle Mesa/Boogie and Vader cabs have a 90 degree mounted baffle Where as the Marshall B-cabs - all backloaded - all have a straight baffle which tilts backwards a few degrees. It would be a nice to see how Mesa and Marshall straight cabs compare on this topic.

[@nobirdsnomasters]

The angle really does effect the jangle.

[@EversonBernardes]

Time to break out the power tools and build your own cabinet that can accept both front- and rear-mounting, Kristian. One thing I was considering is that you can theoretically have the back wall of the cab angled instead of the front panel and probably get the same effect, since the idea is that the internal resonance at half the wavelength is causing a cancellation - either wall being angled should avoid that.

[@uvicjames]

I seem to recall reading an article by hifi audio cab builders where they were talking about part of the difference being the gap between the top face of the baffle and the speaker... that little gap (when rear mounting) gives a bit of a cylindrical space.

[@ravensongstudios]

Technically, your test wasn't flawed, you just weren't testing for you what you thought you were. This happens all the time in medicine, where researched and developed blood pressure medication becomes migraine medication, for example. When I was having a custom amp built by Ignite Amps, I had requested a low mid knob positioned around 450hz. After your discussion with Nolly, I realized it was because the bottom right speaker was my preferred miced speaker and the cab depth was 15inches. I did want to call out one other variable. If you were right at the grill in the exact same spot (assuming 2:04 is the actual mic positions), the mic was 18mm farther from the speaker cone in the rear loaded one due to the physical nature of the baffle. Not sure if that smoothed any of the other differences, or if it matters (I imagine not).

[@mattarseneault]

Were the mic distances from the speaker accurately measured? I imagine the rear loaded speakers would be at least 3/4" futher from the grill cloth based on the thickness of the wood used to mount the speaker. If the cabinets are indeed exactly the same, then the Front loaded speakers will be 3/4" closer, resulting in a different sound due to proximity effect

[@jasonbuttens]

Deliverance is built different from the fat bottom isn’t it? I picked up two deliverance ii with the 70gs. The cab did not have the traditional brace from the front baffle to the rear baffle. Instead, it had this ridiculously beefy built front end, beautiful construction by far the best cab I’ve ever taken apart loaded it w/dv77s because of you Kolhe. Fanes went into an old bogner rear loaded and a Diezel rear loaded cabs.

[@jp_is_out_of_tune]

I was so sure they would be very different!! Now it's settled!!

[@Ironbird1776]

I love my front loaded Deliverance with p-50-es

[@augure86]

The fat bottom cab sounds very well balanced, perfect for rhythm guitars. The deliverance cab would work very well for lead guitars I think with that mid bump. Maybe you should try to reamp your song with the fat bottom cab for rhythm guitars? At 3:45: I use pretty much the same settings on my deliverance, gain 1 half way, or even less when I use a clean boost, and gain 2 fully cranked

[@brianward851]

Put the other 4 Hapas pickup models in that Judge of yours and A/B them. Would love to hear that one!

[@pedrolourenco2707]

proximity of microphone?

[@KohleAudioKult]

The way you mount a speaker has nothing to do with it’s distance from the grill.

[@miserychannel69]

13:34 the difference is a front loaded cab is solid, fully closed. The rear loaded has a back that is removable.

[@Dirge4july]

Gotta try those do-dads that angle the speakers up in a 4x12.

[@DaveEdwardsDesigns]

Definitely traces with physics. Assuming the non loaded air space is the same. The rear mount has less air space with the speakers installed. Whereas the front loaded will have a larger air space. You also get different baffle reflections depending on how the speaker is mounted.

[@jfloyd2919]

I've had both set ups and like rear mounted best 🤘✊

[@dougleydorite]

It has nothing to do with it being rear mounted though

[@danmaycock9238]

Nice experiment Sir, you could try chambered vs non-chambered cabs too 👍

[@fabianroth4460]

Great video!!! Except I would have needed this a year ago.😂 I rebuilt a Marshall 1960 B cab. It's now front loaded with a Celestion V30, Creamback 65 and 75 and a V-Type. At that time I decided to load the speakers from the front because it might have a little more air volume in the cab. I hoped this would result in slightly more low frequencies. The cab is also lined with heavy rubber foil and insulating wool to prevent unwanted „self-vibrations“ from the cab. But I can't prove any of this scientifically! It's all just speculation. Greetings from Switzerland

[@Burkhimself]

I’ve owned front & rear loaded cabs. I can tell you I prefer the rear loaded hands down. Front loaded has always seemed “too bright/not enough lows” in the room or in front of it. The only way I’d gig with a front loaded cab is if I had an amp with a ton of lows or depth mod.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Like I said: The reception in the room might be different.

[@andreas_rauscher]

if you want to do the test again with DIEZEL Cabinets, get in touch, I could help with that...

[@robertdonosobuchner3129]

Great video! Do you have any experience with the Barefaced Audio cabs? I ordered an upsizing 2x12 cabinet with a Celestion BN 300S in the bottom position and a Thick Boy (also 300w) from OverTonez Audio in the upper position and I will try this monster next week with my band. I'm very excited how it will sound in the band context...

[@josselinledent9633]

I'd suspect the difference is only because of the distance between the speaker and the mic itself. The front loaded one is gonna be much closer

[@AVeelcheck]

Bogner 412ST and Uberschall 412 cabs have same angled front walls and they're different by rear vs front mount 👀

[@FrancescoFiligoi]

I’d argue the main difference is due to one cab being completely straight VS the other one having a slight angle - It changes mids a lot

[@FrancescoFiligoi]

Whoops, just noticed you mentioning this in the final result. Yep, that’s it!

[@MontecitoMusicandMedia-jl4hy]

Is the mic closer to the Front Mounted speaker than it is to the Rear Mounted speaker? I don't know if that would make the honky sound or not but I'd guess the baffle board is fairly thick plus the speaker gasket paper.

[@Sjur_sm57]

diezel cabs seem to have this reversed, where the front loaded ones are straight and the rear loaded ones are angled. Even there I find that the front loaded cabs sound less honky/more scooped, kind of weird. this could be the difference in speakers though, so take that with a grain of salt.

[@livingabovethe12th]

Did you close mic at the grille or take off grille and mic the exposed speakers?? The rear loaded are going to be at least an inch further from the mic vs. the front loaded if micing at the cabinet grille cloth.

[@igorpak6941]

What its the common volume amount you use to get good amp/cab sound? and what its the maximum amount you never pass?

[@KohleAudioKult]

You gotta get beyond that point where the power amp „comes to life“. Usually that’s not very high. Dont crank it to the point where the lows and highs get reduced. That’s about it

[@igorpak6941]

@@KohleAudioKult Oh i got the point. Thank you

[@SecretMetalFromAbyss]

At a quick listen the rear loaded sounds a little more pleseant to ear for me. Differences aren't that big but for me the rear load works better.

[@chrismonaut]

Well... that turned out different than expected :D while I prefered the Fat Bottom in solo, I might favor the Deliverance in the mix. are the diezel FL and RL cabs the same otherwise?

[@joelchabot3170]

Could the difference be simply caused by the slight mic distance (wood thickness)?

[@KratosIsSick]

Very Nice Video !!

[@Mr_Woodchuck]

To make it so you can switch instantly between the two with the same exact parameters (speaker and room position). No way to do that without IRs. Otherwise the cabs would be in different places in the room and have different speakers if you had them both mic'd up at the same time.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Right. The other option is reamping the same performance twice, but I preferred the IR route.

[@jaychen2000metal]

Hey man, you gotta try some Weber Gray and Silver wolf speakers!

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

to me the rear loaded speaker sounds definitely less harsh, same with the speaker 1 vs speaker 2 comparison at the beginning.

[@KohleAudioKult]

I know what you mean. That’s just because you’re fooled by the added mids which make the highs feel duller. After the mid EQ it’s easier to hear that there’s not much of a difference

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

@KohleAudioKult thanks for the clarification

[@KohleAudioKult]

You’re welcome 🤘

[@leonidaspapanikolaou3165]

In the mix, I prefer the rear cabinet!

[@Patrick-rf7vx]

Thanks for busting that myth!

[@FrédéricDrolet]

in the context of the mix....very hard to hear the difference. the A/B comparison on the standalone version, yes you can hear some of the difference, but it's not a crazy one...at least in my ears super interesting again, nice video!!!

[@snapascrew]

Have you done a straight vs angled cab video ? Should try that next.

[@KohleAudioKult]

I think that’s what I’ve shown in this video.

[@snapascrew]

@@KohleAudioKultvery interesting. I did a straight vs angled comparison with shared speakers and had a very similar results. Maybe that’s what we’re actually hearing here. I didn’t realize one of these cabs in your video was angled. I did reamped recordings tho I disagree with the IR method being the only way to do it right.

[@ultimatemetalguitartones]

I love my VHT 2530 front loaded from the mid 90s It reminds me of early Slipknot

[@demondrive147]

Mic position is the same, but rear loaded is further from mic than rear loaded. I guess I just opened pandora's box

[@KohleAudioKult]

Not at all. That depends on how far you put the grill from the speaker and has nothing to do with how you mount the speaker.

[@deadinside0586]

Could u share the front loaded IR with us, please? Sounds exactly to my taste.

[@seventhlevelsound]

Maybe I'm just imagining it, but it seems to me like the lows are just a tiny bit tighter on the front vs rear loaded. No difference in volume or amount of lows, they just sound the slightest bit more controlled to me? Call me crazy.

[@nicopoppe4838]

Front loaded all tag! Smoohter top end. Die grundlagen der akustik? 😂 Gut gemacht!

[@credhc8421]

my experience is the same, front loaded have clearer mids

[@veers0r]

Cool Video. Just a little nit, if guitar cabs weren't (essentially) linear as you state at 13:09, IRs wouldn't be good approximations of their behavior and your analysis would be fundamentally flawed. Impulse responses are linear. They are (practically) linear though so it all works out. :) I always really appreciate it if someone shares a null result so thanks for that.

[@browndog666ify]

Converting a cab to Front mounting will displace less volume inside the cab. Probably nothing to write home about. What matters is the speakers are quick to change out now!

[@ShreddingDragon]

Excellent mythbusting and information for the community. Big respect and thank you!

[@KohleAudioKult]

🤘❤️

[@valendis]

Great, now I need a front mounted cab... Edit: well apparently not from your take on slanted vs straight 😅

[@KohleAudioKult]

Just get a slanted cab.

[@Ironbird1776]

Please do p50 vs fanes

[@KohleAudioKult]

I did a P50 video recently. You got it in the guitar playlist

[@kavalkademusic]

I can hear a difference on the low end when you're playing - but not in the recorded version

[@jfloyd2919]

Hes big COC inspired in his playing style... So am i ✊

[@krustdogg131]

I'm so glad you used the same speaker to do this test

[@Dirge4july]

Not using the same speakers would've made this test irrelevant...

[@stevedoesnt]

I mean, based on this, I’ll never own a straight cab again. I may even modify the one I have. If I want a honk, I’ll add my own.

[@szaki95]

What's your problem with the honk? Some people build their tones around agressive mid frequency boost. Hell some people even use metal grills on cabs as an effect. It sounds more evil than the polished "perfect" cab sound.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Matter of taste! Fair enough

[@wcarballeira]

I only came here for the Damn fuxkibr guitar tone

[@ericwilliams538]

So, front Vs. rear loaded speaker.....ummm wouldn't that just simply be like if you were moving the microphone??? You're moving the speaker however thick the ply wood is. So, wouldn't that just be how far you've moved the microphone?????? That's basically what's happening....

[@noisewar4612]

i’ll just continue plugging in cabs til i like one

[@jows7595]

This is the type of shit every audio engineer should be doing. Experiment. Test stuff. Try things out.

[@WDShorty]

Well the answer seems obvious, front mounted sounds closer to the microphone hahaha