Kpop's First (and only) Transgender Group - LADY

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Hey Plofessors!
I'm back with my Crazy Kpop Concepts series! Today we will be talking about LADY, a transgendered kpop girl group that debuted in the early 2000s. As you can imagine, their careers did not go smoothly, and the group ended up having to resort to controversies and even a n*de photobook to gain attraction. In this video, we will be taking a look at this unique group's tragic career.
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[@ploopy678]

Hey guys! Please note that I have no negative opinions on transgender people and I believe they should be free to live their lives just like anyone else. I'm saddened by the fact that this group experienced discrimination, but at the same time I don't think this makes them immune to all criticism. Therefore the criticisms I made of this group are in no way linked to the fact that they are transgender. I'm just objectively speaking about this group's controversies the same way I would about any other kpop group!

[@christianbumatay8992]

Hello and I love this new video 💖💖💖💖💖

[@johnnyspellman4419]

I loved the way you took care of your words, it really show that you were respectful but still managed to talk about their controversies 💜

[@OsamasStory]

Ploopy, please make a video about Kris Wu’s scandal?

[@gREnDe1]

@@TheBestCat1290honestly I’ve found many in the trans community to be pretty understanding. It’s the supposed “allies ” that go on bullying campaigns and blow things out of proportion

[@TheBestCat1290]

@@gREnDe1 The allies? Really? Why would the people who support them do that? I'm sorry if I am being disrespectful but I am confused

[@thisisme-mark5920]

It's true that Lady didn't deserve all that hate online for being transgender women but the company was literally making confusing decisions How much delulu you have to be to expect high sales and big success when you're launching a non-accepted group in a conservative country? It's ridiculous 💀

[@ArtwithPRAGYA]

I mean did'nt they mention for defeating everyone in 'talent' ..trained for 5 months?

[@rainbowsubs2]

Not even that, the fact that the company was also unknown like?!

[@ai-lq7tr]

Because Harisu did.

[@roooov]

Um... Their debut was inspired from HARISU because HARISU had huge levels of success.

[@preyslaydisplay]

The company wanted the group to be recognized like any other idol group at the time but released A NUDE PHOTOBOOK??? What was the company thinking 😭

[@eszt3r5555]

I'm so happy about Ploopy continuing the Crazy Kpop Concept series, this is my fav series on the channel

[@floppedmemes1]

Same This series Is very good

[@soflrxz]

Sameeee

[@LongKhangTran]

Same!!!!

[@misa_mellow]

me too!

[@nerd26373]

Lady sure has a lot of potential in the Western side of things. I'm not certain if South Korea is ready to embrace groups like this within the industry.

[@Projecttori]

They should have went to America

[@biomuseum6645]

Asian trans are way prettier than western trans

[@jorrdan.]

I mean it happened in the 2000s so not a particularly great time for the American market either

[@Unberable]

They would have been demolished in Bush's America

[@TuberoseKisser]

They absolutely wouldn't have potential in america, if anything it probably would have been worse

[@kpoprat]

It's so sad that the company felt the need to bodyshame cis women to promote them. It really shows how awful things were and still are for trans people and women

[@henridubois6433]

huh??? so them bodyshaming women is somehow "awful" for trans women?? just hold them accountable for their misogyny.

[@kpoprat]

@@henridubois6433 it's awful because it's not them; it's the label. The label felt that the only way to market them was to say that they were "better" than cis women. Nobody wins in that situation

[@WildVee]

@@henridubois6433 ??? Bodyshaming anybody is awful, a minority bodyshaming or acting bad towards another group just because they're a minority doesn't make it right. Sit back down lmao.

[@PrettyBaby222]

⁠@@WildVeei think that he meant that it was awful that it wasn’t even something that the members meant or felt. It was something that the label put out there and had nothing to do with the member’s opinions or thoughts about cis and trans women.

[@kpoprat]

@@PrettyBaby222 yeah

[@moonpalace.mp3]

It's hard enough being trans today, I can't imagine the bigotry they would've faced back then :(

[@judasxhunter]

and they were also so beautiful, i can’t imagine hating someone because of their gender identity

[@whateverart]

especially being openly trans in the media.

[@Rosie.Daniella]

And in a country like a korea

[@olilondonpavethewayforkpop]

Stan Oli London

[@Silverystonezxzx]

​@@olilondonpavethewayforkpop NOOOO

[@sususoojinn]

Let's appreciate the time she spent researching all of the things she talks to us about

[@Sheepy16able]

What i think is kinda sad is, that I`m sure if they would debut today in 2023, they still wouldn`t be able to promote in a normal way on music shows because I`m sure they would be banned again and people would probably write transphobic stuff. It`s sad that Korea didn`t really change a lot in 20 years.

[@sleepysquash]

As a trans person i respect ur careful choice in wording and overall respectfulness throughout the video!!

[@_StrayKidsForever_]

Why r u trans, weird and maybe rude question, but still

[@Meizhu_Yang]

Can we all agree that ploopy makes videos on the most interesting topics! ❤️❤️

[@ploopy678]

Thanks 😊

[@flivine]

I find it strange they have to Prove they had sex change surgery. Their genitalia/etc. isn’t other s people s business.. it’s sad Binu felt like she had to lie about it. I don’t think any of them needed to share that information to start with.

[@LeoNunes-gy8ie]

Exactly

[@imahuu]

It's sad and must have been so frustrating for the member to constantly repeating that they are women. They had to make a nude photoshoot to "prove" it or lying about surgery...

[@Hannaaaa3]

I’ve been listening to LADY for some years now but I have never seen the full backstory

[@valentine99]

the “reflect on their efforts” line sounds very in line with the bodyshaming and fatphobia that is common. very interesting how that backlash was used to further bigotry instead of normalizing diversity in body types

[@aestrology_]

Wow, Evangeline’s videos are always so throughly researched and well done! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@deluxe6655]

She’s the type of person to pursue a PhD in K-Pop.

[@whatever9097]

They actually aren’t the only trans group! Earlier this year QI.X debuted. They are a group made of all openly queer idols. I don’t know if all of the members specifically identify as being trans, but they’re all gender variant in someway. They’ve also used trans flags on their social media and performed at a transgender day of remembrance event. Prin is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. JiGOOK is a nonbinary trans male and uses he/they pronouns. Maek is genderqueer and uses they/them pronouns. Youra is inactive as of writing, they identify as questioning and uses they/them pronouns as of their introduction. Sen doesn’t use labels and uses she/they pronouns. They’re very talented and I highly recommend you check them out. They have two songs out, Lights Up and Walk & Shine.

[@Eleanor_YT]

I was hoping someone would bring up q.ix! I love themmmm

[@arain764niara]

Then are they another trans group if not all the members aren't trans?

[@Xile179]

Non binary isnt trans

[@aeongies]

@@Xile179 actually, some non-binary people do consider themselves to be trans. it depends on the person.

[@sofiachristinaa]

@@aeongiesbut do they?

[@eyebyte]

Thank you so much for sharing this!! I’m a trans West Asian person and my brother in law is Korean-Japanese and trans and it’s really hard to be respected in our communities. Also LOVEEEEEE LADY!!! My girls forever

[@GuranPurin]

Even despite Korea's reluctance to accept this group, it certainly didn't help that they had so many controversies throughout their run. Attacking womens' bodies when you were born male is never going to go over well and the very idea of a nude photobook seemed like it was their company setting themselves up to be attacked. I have no idea who thought that was a good idea and I feel bad the group didn't get much traction (especially since they had very little training to boot). It almost may have been better had they just been a quirky nightclub group in the first place. But it's nice they they seem to have found something that makes them happy these days. I also have to bring this up because I've seen a lot of confusion on the subject, but since he was mentioned, while Jo Kwon certainly has always been gender non-conforming in how he dresses, for all intents and purposes, he still identifies as male. He specified while working on the musical "Jaime" that he liked putting on a "genderless image" in terms of how he dresses and a lot of western K-POP fans confused this as him "coming out" as being genderless or nonbinary and started calling him "they" despite him never actually stating that he wants to be referred to as any other pronouns. I just wanted to make that clarification since it confused a lot of people a couple years ago!

[@Anonymous-kp3jf]

You're wrong on understanding what makes a person trans, so why are you talking?

[@GuranPurin]

@@Anonymous-kp3jf ??? I never said anything about "what makes a person trans??"

[@cinnamonproduction3898]

the way you think these girls were the ones who bodyshamed women is funny bc it was the label. Also kpop male idols do that everyday dw

[@user-bn6ht5eg4q]

Just a minor correction it wasn’t actually the idols who said anything about other women’s bodies it was the label

[@rainbowsubs2]

Lmao like if you are born female and call someone ugly its cute

[@EvaFun]

Lets get ploopy to 300k ☺

[@ploopy678]

Aww thanks! ❤ We are almost there!!!

[@RandomTrinidadian]

Another quality video that is both informative and intersting. I got nothing against the LGBTQ community, but i dont think korea was ready for such a group

[@ArtwithPRAGYA]

and their dillusion of selling lol

[@IRRIS_YUNSEUL]

I’m so happy someone is finally talking about this group 😚

[@queensofqueens664]

honestly off topic but I love your channel so much you can take the most boring topics and make them interesting to watch so ty for your hard work lol

[@luu0w0]

Hey Ploopy, could you make a video about the group Mercury? They were also a group with a transgender member :] also they are unfortunately pretty underrated

[@sakuraa1770]

I've been waiting for another crazy kpop concepts and this one was certainly interesting! I look forward to more videos from this series!

[@chunyipli3410]

Congratulations ploopy got 300k followers 💕💕 your great video deserves more and more followers 🌈🌈

[@WhitePhoenixCrown]

Thank you for this video. I loved this group's 2 singles. I didn't think anyone remembered this group.

[@lixxie2119]

The amount of research going into this!! You're amazing!!

[@K1TTYBR4T]

Oh my god! So glad you’re talking about this! Also, three minutes early

[@laurateixeira4182]

Congratulations on 300k followers!! You definitely deserve it 🥰

[@AntonioGG1-9801]

Great job on the video. I’m happy that you cover lgbtq+ 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️. I really appreciate because as a person who is a member of LGBT+ community. It really makes my day. ❤

[@oz4648]

​@@TheBestCat1290wow I didn't know cats could be so rude. All the cats I've met love queer people.

[@RedvelvU9]

​@@TheBestCat1290OK?

[@efrensalamatin]

I LOVE WHEN YOU MAKE VIDEOS♡

[@ehrenschnitzel]

They could have been groundbreaking, but the concept and promotion of this group is based on misogyny and inherent transphobia (the comments about femininity and womanhood f.e.) so… it furthered the stances against transgender women and transgender as a whole which is so sad. The members don’t have to be experts on transgender, obviously, but they have said some very hurtful things towards women and womanhood and the whole military evasion thing… ugh. That could have been handled more carefully but i think the company didn’t know how to. It’s sad and disappointing how it ended.

[@danoswald8099]

good stuff and great info as always!!!

[@SaintZaiya]

this video was what made me sub, its good to have someone who makes kpop related content who isnt transphobic!

[@Pabuwu]

Thank you for your research! Love this series

[@user-tc9lq7co3d]

This is my fav channel ploopy 678!!!

[@darling_multistan]

Ploopy, your videos are so good and they’re always so interesting! So happy to be a subscriber, love you and your videos 💗

[@ploopy678]

Thanks for your support, and glad you like the videos! 😍

[@darling_multistan]

@@ploopy678 Of course! 💞

[@escritora84]

It's so sad that almost 20 years later, we're still seeing the same levels of transphobia and misogyny, it's so eerie. Thank you for covering this group and their history, you covered this with so much grace.

[@UFO339]

The trans community today hit the axe on their own foot by talking nonsense 🤷🏻‍♂️ And to make it worse the pronoun community comes in (which pple always confuse for the trans community)

[@rainbowow5060]

Fascinating video as usual!

[@geekdiggy]

i think back to piggy dolls, a girl group whose members would today be called "plus sized," but at the time the korean online environment used very different language. their purpose was to sell kpop without conventional beauty. those girls could sing, and proved it with the song called "trend." but large women in a country that devilishly worships the modelesque was going to be a novel concept at best, and before long the public reaction grew to about what you'd expect for a country like south korea. while praised by some for their courage, the group failed to take off. they did, however, get an endorsement from a weight loss company, lost weight, and the novelty was gone. the group was later rebranded with more conventional-looking idols, which is referred to as (no pun intended) "piggybacking." they put out a wonderful song called "butterflies" which i still listen to 10 years later. not much became of the original members, and after the rebranded group disbanded, maknae kang eunyeong went on to re-debut as SeeA with the group PinkFantasy. that's the story of novelty. attention spans and identity are too fragile, and if you sell on gimmick and not value, you don't get and keep customers. that's marketing 101.

[@geekdiggy]

if you haven't already done so, a video covering piggy dolls' story would make for an interesting discussion for your viewers.👍

[@lsgoh2357]

Another great video!

[@ChrisKobraLA]

If Sheyla´s "boyfriend" had a "wife on the side" then that means Sheyla was actually the "woman on the side" 😹

[@Shinotheblink]

??

[@peachxtaehyung]

What?

[@MsLuciana81]

@@peachxtaehyungbasically Sheyla’s boyfriend had a wife so since Sheila and her boyfriend weren’t married Sheyla was the woman he was cheating with

[@Terminallyposessed]

The people in the replies didn't watch the sponsored ad at the beginning of the video and it shows 🤣

[@nofelsattam5375]

I loveeeeeee your videos, can you please consider doing one on the new Jyp group vcha and the a2k show

[@mamalocaN.5]

Very happy you are covering their story too 😍🫶

[@alex_putsyouinyourplace]

I probably would have supported the group if there wasn't any body shaming and the company wasn't promoting them wrong, such as making them do photoshoots that were later posted on p*rn sites. And if they weren't band from music shows

[@poochy]

Back in the day you weren’t even like, “allowed” to say transgender pretty much. So I understand why she lied about surgery. That was the only metric for validity, and feels like a safety thing. The marketing pitting these girls’ beauty against cis women made me cringe so hard. That’s an oof. Anything can and will be used to call trans women sexist and, like yeah oof

[@Renjuniepurin]

Very true. I really don’t think that it is a very big deal that she lied about the surgery. Her genitalia is no one’s business tbh.

[@PND-ye3hq]

Thank you for making a video on the topic of LGBTQ+! It is honestly crazy to me how the group LADY was even able to exist at the time. LGBTQ+ still have a hard time in South Korea now, imagine how worse it was in the early 2000s! Unfortunately, it is still hard for LGBTQ+ members of Korean society to come out. Resistance from conservative groups is still strong, and the public generally tends to avoid talking about the topic, rather than speaking out about discrimination LGBTQ+ individuals may face. I am hopeful though that sometime in the future, we will see positive change. Acceptance of LGBTQ+ people actually seems to be increasing according to polls, and I think especially the younger generations seem to have less of a problem with the idea. Also, Taiwan has legalized same-sex marriage as the first country in Asia. I hope that may serve as an example for other Asian countries to follow.

[@JiaPia3]

Evangeline puts out the best content. She always looks into such interesting stories. I love her, and I love her channel. I wish she would interact with us, but she might be afraid of parasocial stuff. I definitely get that.

[@peachxtaehyung]

How does she not interact with us?? She does quizzes, she hearts and replies to some comments etc

[@arminsarlets]

HIIIII I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!! i wanted to ask if you could make a follow up on Rania/Blackswan videos you made cuz i think theres been recent controversy and line up changes? idk i just thought it would be really interesting 🩷

[@KatBlaque]

No recent controversy or lineup changes. They have their full and final lineup, but they’re holding auditions for other groups.

[@arminsarlets]

@KatBlaque haha but they did tho! fatou and another member i think her name was Leia were having some sort of beef, and im pretty sure she left the group, plus a mixed girl joined the group and another girl did too, so i really just wanna know what went downnnn in ploopy words

[@catoutawindow2279]

@@arminsarletsshe already covered the bully scandal and there wouldn’t be much talk about nvee joining

[@avokado...]

Omg! I'm early! I love you so much❤

[@carrieheartsmusic6797]

Omg, I've never heard of this!

[@DGRLA]

Thank you for this comprehensive coverage

[@PinterestVlogs]

Thanks for information ❤

[@suzumejxxo]

Omg im so early hiiii love the video

[@singwing-hj7uy]

congratulations for your 300k followers ❤❤❤

[@TheBestCat1290]

She is currently at 299k

[@_yvesus]

OMG I LOVE LADY THEIR MUSIC IS SO GOOD❗️

[@artythepartyofficial]

thank you for another great video ploopy, as a trans person myself i found this incredibly interesting. its unfortunate that the group had to resort to marketing themselves through putting down cis women and releasing a nude photobook- perpetuating the awful stereotypes of trans women hold- just to try to make a name for themselves in an already hostile industry. i'm not surprised at how negative the reception was for them considering the time and place, but at least it's a step in the direction of potentially having another trans girl group (or any trans group) that can succeed nowadays in a world where it's more understood. thank you again for these videos and keep it up, you're amazing♡

[@maiudelaluna7673]

I remenber how I love them. I heared the only two videos in loop all day 😢

[@squidgyelder3567]

I'd love to see you talk about Mercury!!!! Hanbit is the first person who comes to my mind when talking about lgbt kpop idols

[@jisooturtlerabbitkim448]

People who think that ploopy needs to get 300k and that she is soooo underrated 👇🏻

[@just_get_it]

They were my favorite group in 2013(💘

[@aoaoutmothers]

yes finally a video about them

[@brandon8910]

We are early today plofessors!!

[@therealgrimreaper68]

Even if Koreans were accepting, their chances of success would have been low, they would put women down to elevate themselves and make problematic statements wouldn't help them be successful

[@whateverart]

i think you should talk about pink fantasy and their member daehwang who wears a bunny mask.

[@ddaewang_..420]

But she's not trans tho ! please check my pfp. !

[@kazuhasgloves]

Heyy, Ploopy!!

[@devotedchristianxo]

As a trans woman, I appreciate how respectfully you addressed the group's controversies♥ This was very well researched and you covered it fairly and accurately. Thank you!

[@enfisk]

I came immediately when I saw the notification

[@RoelRisque]

This reminds me of Hanbit from Mercury. Honestly we need to give queer idols more opportunities.

[@HadassaMoon144]

I'm a Christian, Presbyterian which is LGBTQIA+ accepting and am actually bisexual myself. I really wish that all other Christians and Christian denominations would focus on a believer's PERSONAL beliefs. Homosexuality and Transgenderism are very real and true experiences. "There's no such thing" isn't true, especially since the Bible does speak on it. How can the Bible speak on something that doesn't exist? People were homosexual and transgender in the times the Bible was written. Many Christian denominations have agreed that the Bible prohibits living those lifestyles and homosexuals and transgenders should pretend and lie to themselves and live in misery. Supposedly they will be rewarded for their sacrifice by going to heaven. Meanwhile, other Christian denominations agree that the Bible should not be taken literally and that many of the rules within it were written for specific communities of people over 1,000 years ago when science wasn't understood...and therefore do not need to be followed anymore. That's how you even get female ministers. It's forbidden according to the Bible! I don't understand how the same Christian groups will have female ministers then speak against "the gays" as though both female ministers and having gay sex aren't both forbidden if they want to follow all the rules of the Bible. Hypocritical and cherry picking behavior. In short, everyone should mind their own business. If a person isnt Christian, then Christian rules do not apply to them! Religious worship should be private and it's NOT okay to try to force other people to live based on someone else's belief system. I feel sad that these women in Lady weren't able to achieve their goals because of discrimination and prejudice.

[@Ipromiseyounobodyismad]

So ur not a Christian…

[@peachxtaehyung]

​@@Ipromiseyounobodyismadwhat??? What makes you say that??

[@peachxtaehyung]

Totally agree op!!! Thank you! I'm a straight woman, christian (baptist) and I'm a huge LGBTQIA+ community ally!

[@Terminallyposessed]

​@@Ipromiseyounobodyismadthere's different kinds of christians dawg--

[@olaraa]

@@Ipromiseyounobodyismad A Christian is a person who believes in the holy trinity, and that Christ died and rose up again for people's sins. Whether Christians actually follow what the Bible says about loving and respecting one another regardless of belief or existence, is a whole 'nother topic.

[@RedHairedJust._.Prince]

"yOu pErVeRt" Got me dying

[@kumaxhime]

Lady deserved better!! I'd like to think these women would have more success in the more open-minded world of today, but both Korean and international societies still have a long way to go with love and acceptance for Transgender and gender non-conforming people.

[@HexiDex88]

I’m so happy someone finally covered this group!!

[@olgalugo8827]

It starts at 2:40

[@user-ot6wh9ef1h]

Thanks for finding many funny story for ussas❤❤❤

[@CheShiny]

3:22 Source: Twice??? This made me laugh more than it should help-

[@ploopy678]

Oh yikes! That was a mistake 😂 It would be hilarious if Twice did a cover of that song though....

[@CheShiny]

​@@ploopy678 Imagine if they had the same outfits hahaha

[@allyssaearly-mccullom4964]

How are you even to find stuff like this. You got to be a secret agent.

[@sohanicridland9116]

I hope that koreaboo story becomes a Netflix show 💖

[@kendelaigarner2174]

Can you do a video about Orange Caramel?

[@justwatchingvideosLA]

Reminds me of that anime “Back Street Girls” IYKYK

[@joshhale9355]

I’m curious Ploopy, would you talk about two topics that took place in Japan within the wrestling world? The Hana Kimura s**cide and it’s connection to popular show “Terrace House”; the second is the Dragon Gate Monkey torture. They’re not talked about enough.

[@nekorei2023]

Hana honestly deserved better and the fucking fact that nobody even tweeted or made a statement to defend her makes me mad when the company only came out to say that the fucking vid was faked... & that one tweeter that made 300+ tweets that hated her

[@mccnshyyne]

Their song attention is so good but the only versions i can find of it the quality is potato 😭😭😭. I wish i had a HQ version to listen to

[@luraixx]

I try to support many LGBTQ+ k idols now bc they are really talented and representation is so important

[@TuberoseKisser]

Lukewarm take: Being a minority of any type and using that as a major draw to a kpop group probably means that there's most likely no actual entertaining appeal. If you're gonna promote a group as being unique due to it's members to draw in fans then have the visuals and music to actually keep fans.

[@TheBestCat1290]

That is exactly what BLACKSWAN did. And they have a huge fan base globally because of it. The shock factor was that 2 members were not korean and now it is all members aren't korean and they are still successful (but you do still have those haters who don't think they should be a k pop group. But yeah Ploopy has covered a lot of those groups who aren't minorities but they have failed as a k pop group such as the hot dog women in the video and the naked girls. Just run on pure shock factors and it doesn't work. This is the same with this trans group as they released the nude book and they kept getting into controversy and they ultimately failed (not being transphobic or hating at all or if I am, that isn't my intention)

[@GuranPurin]

@@TheBestCat1290 You're wrong about Black Swan. The group was originally called Rania and they primarily had Korean members with a few foreigners here and there over the years. The idea was for them to become a global group, so having foreign members made perfect sense. Because DR is a shit company, they have never been able to keep a consistent lineup (they've probably had over 20 members at this point + the rebrand to BP Rania and now finally Black Swan), so they currently no longer have any Korean members while the foreigners remained. They did not debut with the shock fact concept of "K-POP group with no Koreans", the Koreans just left over time.

[@TheBestCat1290]

@@GuranPurin I know about Rania but that is a separate group to BLACKSWAN (it is a very common misconception with lots of articles saying they rebranded but BP Rania did disband and the members from BP Rania redubuted under BLACKSWAN). Rania and BP Rania only had one non Asian member until BLACKSWAN's newest lineup where non of the members are Korean joined (Leia is half Japanese so still Asian). And that is what the shock was and what made BLACKSWAN different to the other groups (and BP Rania as they were actually treating Fatou equally which DR Music didn't do to Alex). So when a new kpop group emerged with the second black kpop member, it was a big shock. And then you had Gabi and Sriya who are not East Asian people and then Nvee who is an African American. So that attracted people and their awesome music that was finally released which brought an international audience as well as keeping them interested in the group rather then completly relying on shock to keep them relevant and popular.

[@GuranPurin]

@@TheBestCat1290 That wasn't a misconception, it's factual. Rania, BP Rania, and Black Swan are all the same group. They rebranded but the same members simply transferred over to the new group every time they did so, so it wasn't a completely different lineup. Black Swan debuted with Korean members from the previous BP Rania lineup. They've simply left because of controversy, expired contracts, and poor working conditions and replaced with foreign members. They didn't debut via shock factor of being a group of non-Koreans (simply put, very few Rania lineups have been all Korean), they could add a Korean to the group tomorrow. They simply currently don't have any in this lineup.

[@BELIEVER78989]

Being transgender was this group's whole "concept" and personality, they wouldn't have failed this badly if they had stood up for their identity and change and actually helped the transgender community in positive way with their songs, messaging and performances atleast thats what I feel🤷‍♀️

[@sean7891233]

The marketing of Lady was … questionable 😅

[@KatieatkinsonyouTube]

Koreaboo is it dumped in English!? And is it on Netflix!? And l like video and good video and subscribe and my KZbin too

[@Crunchiecorpse]

I feel like it would of been a bit easier now but i also think the western side of the world would of embraced them alot easier but as a trans person rlly respect ur viewpoint

[@annar32106]

i haven't heard of this group until now but it's so wrong on how they were treated :(

[@heyimsasa]

bodyshaming is so wild. like they did get their bodies via cosmetic surgery but i doubt they were exempt from the dangerous diet restrictions and intense exercise regimes forced on trainees. the spokesperson was wrong for saying that and i think it's disingenuous to make bad faith arguments agreeing about transwomen getting plastic surgery automatically making them hot. nothing the girls could've done or said would've been met with kindness and sending those girls to the army would make things so much worse for their safety. i hope they're doing okay and trans women are women.

[@Lumia476]

i'm early!!!!

[@briancastillo6486]

9:19 omg I laughed at the meme, specially seeing Mnet and Kbs there 🤣🤣

[@HoudaOussous]

Their comments about being women were pretty sexist... Didn't help them either

[@shani5395]

And cis people say the same thing. Shows how much society needs to improve

[@HoudaOussous]

@@shani5395 for people who claim they want equality and open mindness, it's pretty disappointing

[@shani5395]

@@HoudaOussous The same still applies to cis women who have this sexist mindset. Do they not deserve equality too? And be upset at the society that paints these things out to be a feminine trait to begin with. Y'all only have an issue with these things when trans women do it too to try and fit in

[@OsamasStory]

Like? If you want Ploopy to make a video regarding Kris Wu’s scandal!

[@rainbowsubs2]

There was actually another Trans woman in kpop recently called hanbit from the group "mercury" but they disbanded.

[@Avocado_bites]

Her in videos-💕❤🌷🌺🌸🎀🥿🩰 Her in dance covers-🖤😈💀⛓🔗

[@atherisGAY]

I found you watching your dance video shorts and really enjoyed them! I was really hesitant to click on this video because I am a member of LGBTQ .. my worries were unfounded, thank you for your careful wording 🌈 ❤

[@chickpeapeace]

the transphobia they experienced was so terrible, what other woman needs to tell other people about her genitals in order to be accepted as a 'real woman'? it's interesting finding this video now as i just went to a screening last night of Home Ground (2022) which is a documentary about LGBTQIA+ people in south korea, mainly centred around a lesbian bar called LesVos in myeong-dong (i think) i've been watching and listening to south korean media for a couple of years now and this was the first instance of like realistic representation of queer people and culture in korea i've seen, aside from the brief appearances of lesbian characters in hometown cha cha cha and extraordinary attorney woo-youngwoo. it's a good watch, i'd recommend. before watching this film i had no idea of terms like 바지 and 치마 (baji and chima, literally meaning trousers and skirt respectively, also 바지치마) being used to describe lgbt people (i think specifically lesbians but it wasn't explained in the film and i just looked it up and couldn't really find anything)

[@aradiyanah5119]

Hi i love your channel esp this documentary explanation. I hope one day you can do a video about money forgotten survival show called BOYS24. All the participants has very unfortunate career. Thank you.

[@mariarose3164]

can you cover the group bubble sisters