Kreia's Conundrums - Indirect Control

[@PapitoQinn]

Fun Fact: The previous Kreia's Conundrums came about as I sat down to try and write a new "KoTOR Theory" video. After that was done and went back to it but it transformed into this instead.

[@EricGraham94]

Can you do a Kreia’s Conundrums on self-awareness? It can tie a bit back to your “Machines” video, but it’d be diving deeper into what you mentioned about human beings rarely aware of the forces that dictate their actions, why Kreia is always centering herself, why we should also be self-aware of the things we do/have done depending on our goals and figure out how best to navigate our reality (you can even make it a lowkey game/seduction video 😏). As for the Exile, you can even emphasize about how she naturally has this innate ability to bond with others through the Force.

[@PapitoQinn]

@@EricGraham94 I'll see what I can do.

[@chrismoore7365]

Two Kriea's Conundrums videos within a month? WE ARE BEING FED!!!

[@100StarWars]

The Halo ODST music with KOTOR 2 seems awfully fitting I have to say.

[@Icehead2.0]

Hey Luke!

[@100StarWars]

@@Icehead2.0 Hello!

[@mariogarcia7445]

It's kinda beautiful you ended this Conundrum by stating that Kreia, despite all that was said and done, wanted to make a friend.

[@PapitoQinn]

Yes. But she still had a certain goal to achieve.

[@kangaroocaliphate1577]

I'm grateful we are still talking about this incredible game. And sometimes surprised that I'm not the only one still thinking about the game. I'd like to add that in my opinion the soundtrack is the best star wars soundtrack and reflects the ambiguity of Kotor II perfectly. Good for meditation.

[@PapitoQinn]

Mark Griskey did magnificent work on KoTOR 2. He really should be more prominent in the industry.

[@ShaYneHD]

I have been listening to the rebuild jedi enclave theme a thousand times now when going to bed/or just taking a break from everything... lol

[@Nihoolious]

She found purpose and a friend in the end. She couldnt have died any happier

[@francomanco7501]

Kreia's greatest triumph was having the Exile, a wound in the force, defeat her. It proved that her destiny wasn't decided by the Force, it was decided by someone with a will outside of it. It's why she says the Exile has rewarded her more than they could possibly know.

[@Noxims47314]

Its like being almost self-aware to her universe, to push the other companions like actors into their roles, following or distrusting the Exile, whilst desperately looking for a solution to step out of her own role, creating something new or detached from the narrative of the Force.

[@PapitoQinn]

Never thought of it like that. It's a very good way of putting it.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Any chance there'll be a KC about meta-narratives?

[@PapitoQinn]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Maybe

[@vihaanarora4675]

We are eating WELL this year

[@DBArtsCreators]

probably my favorite video that you've produced; nice!

[@The_Caledonian]

I think it would be naive to think the force has feelings or even cared that the likes of Nihilus, Sion, and Traya even existed. Given the size of our own universe, their actions would but be pissing in the wind in the grand scheme of things.

[@ivanvidovic2994]

This Conundrums are really a goldmine. Great job as always, Quinn.

[@PapitoQinn]

Thanks. Although like gold mines it seems, they are rarely discovered. Love the profile picture by the way.

[@maxdrower5796]

Thank You

[@PapitoQinn]

Thank YOU for watching.

[@infinityactually6166]

We making it out of Nar Shaddaa with this one ❤

[@lorddervish212quinterosara6]

Kreia besto waifu

[@lobiak6124]

You don't know how happy you make me by continuing this series

[@PapitoQinn]

I'll keep going for as long as I can.

[@joshbone9888]

Each video gives me new perspective Thank you for your work

[@PapitoQinn]

Thank you for watching.

[@AbrasiveHippo]

so glad that these are back lol

[@Icehead2.0]

The more you learned to "control" the force either light side or dark side the more it gained power to influence you! Ironic!

[@passerby1200]

I love that you have chewed so deep into this game already. Yet, you seem to always be able to dig deeper into it from different points of views and ideas.

[@PapitoQinn]

Thank you!

[@nevrhasa85]

Damn i am ashamed that i said "The Zarathustra of Star Wars" is probably be the last video about Kreia which was a very good video perhaps the best about Kreia but i was wrong... Its also surpising that this channels popularity should be more imo... But it has been so many years and i am thankful about your hardwork & dedication. Cheers from Turkey !!!

[@PapitoQinn]

Thanks, man! Sure I wish the channel was more popular. But it isn't. So I have to assume that this amount of popularity is the amount it deserves.

[@exxiyl]

Kreias conundrums NEVER misses 💯 I'll be watching these nonstop till the next vid as always 💭 much appreciated 🤙🏼

[@PapitoQinn]

Thanks, homie! I'm bound to miss eventually.

[@exxiyl]

@@PapitoQinn 😂🙅🏽‍♂️

[@lastjedi-1]

2??? In one month?!!!? This feels like George Lucas himself returned

[@dreadrath]

Really good as always. It had a surprisingly touching and meaningful end to this video, I really enjoyed it. I also like that you brand Traya as the greatest rival the force ever had, though I'd say Plagueis was a fierce contender for that title given some of the crap he tried to pull. Much like Kreia's triumvirate, the force conspired against Plagueis until it basically screamed at Sidious "Now's your chance. Kill Plagueis. Kill him now. DO IT!"

[@bullseye5262]

DJ KHALID: “ANOTHER ONE”

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

7:11 Literally everyone who watched Velma. This also applies to SOME people who watched (and keep in mind some of these are the show as a whole and some are just the bad seasons of the show) 13 Reasons Why, The Bachelor, The Big Bang Theory, Chrisley Knows Best, Emily in Paris, Entourage, Euphoria, Family Guy, Flavor of Love, Game of Thrones, Girls, Glee, The Hills, Hollywood, House Hunters, The Idol, Keeping Up with the Kardashians, Love Island, Pretty Little Liars, Real Housewives, Riverdale, Say Yes to the Dress, Selling Sunset, Singapore Social, Smash, Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, Survivor Spain (Supervivientes), The Magic Hour, The Millionaire Matchmaker, The Newsroom, The Simpsons, True Blood, Velma, Vinyl, Rebecca, The Ridiculous 6, Secret Obsession. Also, while I'm not trying to say how many people can be labeled this (because it's a matter that a lot of people will disagree with), but you can't deny that anti-fans exist. 7:32 It's actually possible if you do everything perfectly when it comes to influence and even then it's not something you can reach accidentally since you need to rely on playing through the game a large amount of times calculating and planning every conversation, and relying on the strategy wikis.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

For me, there's Mobile Suit Gundam SEED+Destiny, Battlestar Galactica 2003, Babylon 5 Season 5, Gargoyles Season 3, Zardoz, and even Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Rebels... gods, how I still regret ever wasting my time binging those. In short, you become like the Force because of such unthinkable foresight.

[@beskamir5977]

Finally got around to watching this and I can't believe I never realized that the role of the companions was to reign you in back under the Force's control. It makes so much more sense that they're alignment becomes opposite of whatever your alignment is when you have terrible influence with them. Also explains why Scourge had a Force vision and stabs Meetra... I also can't help but wonder if Meetra had survive all those risks, all these indirect approaches to bring her back under the Will of the Force, if eventually the few surviving Celestials themselves would have decided to seek her out to either end or heal her themselves? Or would simply surviving those attempts ultimately result in her having the entire galaxy out to stop her like in Vitiate's case? The Jedi Council certainly tried to stop her... perhaps all the companions she trained would have ultimately come to the same conclusion and turned on her. I'm assuming she'd have figured out immortality either due to her condition or knowledge of the Force. Else the Force would likely just wait until she's dead of old age. Seems the Force is more inclined to intervene when the threat has some means of cheating death or making their extremely dangerous teachings outlast them. As for the other Sith being immune to indirect controls, I disagree. Sion has an army of assassins. Nihilus spared Visas for reasons unknown. Traya had both Sion and Nihilus exile her... I suspect they were more under the Force's control then they wanted to admit. Nearly all Sith are controlled by the Force in some way even when they deny that's the case. Kreia, Meetra, and perhaps Sidious, Plagueis, Vitiate, and Revan are the only true exceptions to that, but in all those cases there always someone else there to limit their power. The Force basically had Anakin toss Sidious into the reactor, Sidious electrocute Plagueis. Vitiate had an entire galaxy opposing him, Revan was betrayed by Malak and turned into a puppet for the Force to use against Vitiate, Meetra was stabbed by Scourge, Kreia was exiled twice (perhaps the only one to actually perish on her own terms). So I agree that any time someone gains a level of mastery where they could threaten the Force itself, they're soon removed by those around them.

[@rzx-gm1635]

Amazing

[@kaiwilson7252]

LETS GOOOOO

[@thorshammer7883]

To think the Kotor 3 Sith were supposed to be the ultimate evil entities worse then Kreia, Nihilus, and Sion. I can imagine natural Dark Force Nexuses and Wounds empowering them and giving them a type of immortality. It would been interesting to see how the writers were going to plan and develop their downfall at the end if they were supposed to be this powerful. I would imagine their organization structure would be a autocracy or oligarchy for starters. As for the subject of the video I am no follower of agnosticism or atheism but I don't like the Force neither. I don't like the eastern philosophy of morality and spiritual balance dualism, I don't like mysticism, I don't like any of it. It's just idolizing vanities, lukewarmness, divinations, reveries, selfish ambitions, self righteous hypocrisies, and the sinister lawlessness that are of the flesh. I would rather guard my heart from doctrines, false wisdom, and philosophers like those. I would rather seek after Yahuah and Yahusha both objectively and personally then adore in stuff like those things I mentioned. I can't objectively blame some of Kreia's dislikes of the Force since it's really just a endless cycle in her reality with no good final resolution and narrow path. It's just keeps going around and around each era. It maybe not Warhammer 40k grim level bad, but it's still very bad. And the whole philosophy balance doctrine is just another form of hypocrisy and self deception, it's just being lukewarm instead of being either cold or hot. Kreia didn't really have the chance to develop a proper good framework and foundation to operate from. She was stuck with subjectism and her thoughts on the manner.

[@MikeVB5]

00:08 Ремнант

[@Crusader-tg1wx]

No, revenant is appropriate here. Basically a spirit inhabiting a corpse.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I don't know, even I think the Force atheists can still be playthings of the very thing they swore to ignore if not lambast, as a jestful means to conquer boredom... assuming the Force is still some sadomasochistic anomaly that thinks like a shockingly open and wanderlust-addicted hikikomori just walking around barefoot, in anthropomorphic terms. (Granted, take this with a grain of salt, since I was somehow picturing Welcome to the NHK and Frieren: Beyond Journey's End whilst typing this.) If Force sensitives are red blood cells, then what are the white blood cells? Same for the pus? 5:05: Atton may be quite special, but the price of such is that he gets the most basic of names. 7:11: One thing I can say, if you catch my drift, I certainly don't wanna waste time playing Deus Ex: Invisble War when I should instead watch HeartCatch PreCure with the time spent. On a sidenote, any chance you can show off the background OST titles for your amazing vids in the description? Folks may be quite curious, and who knows, said music may lure them into trying out the works of fiction featuring the music.