Why I removed my Glock performance triggers from my EDC firearms

[@InkwellFoto]

I know your reasoning is yours, but it seems a bit of a stretch. It gives me not carrying one in the chamber vibes. I trust the GPT so much it is in my duty carry and backup duty carry. Had it for 2 months and approaching 3000 rounds

[@Gypsyman40]

I love the trigger for sure and I always have one in the chamber for over 20 years...lol. I've carried the GPT EDC since it was introduced. But, if I can be honest...I only feel 85-90% sure that its safety is flawless. I have 4 GPTs in total. My competition and a few others all have the triggers installed. This idea of wanting absolute certainty only applies to my EDC's. I've shot over 8k rounds with the GP triggers. It works, but for me...it will remain in my training and competition guns. Respectfully...be safe in your duties.

[@Libertarian_Neighbor]

Had a massive failure of the GPT today at a competition. Dead trigger, tap rack, dead trigger, tap rack, pulled the trigger hard and it felt spongey then AD’d into the berm with no discernible break. Granted, I had about 700 rounds without cleaning the trigger (did a simple clean and lube of the slide at 300, but the GPT requires special maintenance).

[@Gypsyman40]

@@Libertarian_Neighbor not sure what happen. I would surely send it back to glock for inspection. But, this is an example of why being the first is never good. Lucky this happen in a competition setting. Please keep me posted on the cause of the issue if discovered. Thank for sharing

[@InkwellFoto]

@@Libertarian_Neighbor sorry to hear about your experience.

[@marcusjohnson3657]

😅​@@Libertarian_Neighbor

[@PracticalMinimalist]

Trust Glock. Nothing is tested more than a Glock.

[@essvd2524]

The GPT is literally a factory Glock trigger

[@Gypsyman40]

I trust most nothing and why chance it on a EDC

[@Gypsyman40]

It is but it's not suggested by Glock for EDC

[@essvd2524]

@@Gypsyman40 don’t think they’ve ever said that, they say it’s not duty rated because the trigger pull is too light

[@Gypsyman40]

@@essvd2524 the GPT is too light for EDC as well to be honest

[@wessowell6616]

That seems like a bit of a stretch. M&P and the PDP are both pre cocked strikers and nobody is concerned about safety there.

[@Gypsyman40]

I'm sure it works. But for me... it feels good knowing it's a sure thing. But for competition it's money with the right trigger shoe

[@spaceman063]

the Glock performance triggers are very much like those triggers that are commonly found in the M&P and PDP which I have not had any problems with so when the gpt came out I followed the directions cleaning, oiling and installing it and here nearly nine months later with no problems to report, practice, practice and practice even more as I do with all three brands and I assure you that no matter which platform you use you will become good no matter what!

[@Gypsyman40]

@@spaceman063 you won't get any argument out of me. Thanks

[@boomee78]

I just went through glock armorer school these triggers are not ment for ccw at all like the walthers are the trigger needs to be oild constantly

[@Gypsyman40]

@@boomee78 Thank you for confirming my intuition and engineering sense. I know this system and I know for sure if you want the sure security of Glocks drop safety the oem trigger system must be used. With that said, I still love how the GPT transforms the Glocks. Thank you for the confirmation.

[@opmike343]

AGAIN, the partially cocked striker with a traditional Glock trigger CAN ignite a primer. It's not an additional safety feature. In both triggers, the firing pin safety is the last line of defense against the gun firing should there be some kind of major failure with the trigger mechanism in the lower receiver. Carry whatever you want, but any argument should have a factual basis.

[@Gypsyman40]

Factual...If glock says that the GPT can be used for EDC so be it. Fact is that they haven't. I've done it without an issue but honestly didn't like the feeling of have a new system in my gun first generation. That's my only issue.

[@dayweeks8499]

This is what the firing pin safety are for

[@Gypsyman40]

I'm aware...I still feel better carrying the stock trigger to be honest. I still use the GPT when training from a OWB holster

[@ckim420]

Thoughts on the Timney trigger?

[@Gypsyman40]

@@ckim420 timney was the originator. Glock perfected their design. Timney give light strikes and poor trigger return. The GPT shots everytime and feels nice. So I will say with confidence that the Glock product is better.

[@tedlava]

​@@ckim420 Timney isn't drop-safe... Meaning the firing pin will fall off the sear on a Timney when dropped, but it still won't make it past the firing pin block. So if you ever drop a Glock with a Timney, you'll most likely need to rack it to reset the trigger before you shoot it.

[@ghostfitness5605]

Put the trigger back in. It's safe

[@Gypsyman40]

I'm sure it is. Thanks

[@ShooterReview]

I dont understand people saying, " You won't see/use your sights in a self-defense encounter." This is why we train to develop muscle memory etc. You moght not remember seeing your sights, but if you've trained extensively, I promise you'll use your sights as a natural reaction. I believe it was Wyatt Erpp who, when asked how he won so many actual gun fights, said, " I aleays saw and used my sights," which mean shots on target where the looser just fired quick and missed. Good video.

[@Gypsyman40]

Respect... But within 7 yards or more I doubt if you will see your sights or get out of your holster as fast as you would with a non threatening/ steel or paper target that won't shoot you back or charge after you with something that could potential harm you severely. Quotes from ones book won't help you nor do I want to put their theories to the test. Peace

[@ShooterReview]

@Gypsyman40 eith adrenaline pumping and a life potentially on the line the focus won't be just getting shots off, it's stopping the threat and the best, fastest way to fo that is getting sights on target. If " spray and pray" works, then so be it. But , rather have it ingrained in me " no sights, no stop"

[@Gypsyman40]

@@ShooterReview I totally respect your opinion. Be safe...

[@ShooterReview]

@@Gypsyman40 same here, brother ✊️🤝

[@spaceman063]

@@ShooterReview As Mike Tyson is often quoted as saying all the training in the world is a good thing and may even help until reality hits you in the face with a fist so one never knows what one may do in such dire circumstances until it actually happens!

[@NineteenEighty-Four]

It's thoroughly drop safe. As long as you keep everything else stock, you'll never have a problem to worry about. Just be sure to follow the instructions and keep it lubed.

[@Gypsyman40]

Agreed... But just maybe... Lol. Thanks for the comment

[@NineteenEighty-Four]

@@Gypsyman40 Keep up the good work 👍

[@Gypsyman40]

@@NineteenEighty-Four will do...

[@spaceman063]

Exactly!

[@vintagemotorcyclerepair4052]

What are you referring to by "everything else"?

[@mctourer5549]

I am glad you brought up how well the Glock 26 shoots, i like my G26 as well, i shoot the G26 as well if not better sometimes than my G19.

[@Gypsyman40]

Totally agree with you. Make sense though because you thumb is so much closer to the front of the gun. I enjoy my G26 alot surprisely.

[@BAD_GRIM]

I have the same findings and been saying this for years i shoot the 26 better than the 19. I carry the 19 more tho for more rounds

[@Gypsyman40]

@@BAD_GRIM yep... We are right... Lol... G26 is a great shoot

[@douglasphillips24]

Same here. Love the OG Glock 26 in Gen 5 and flush mag for EDC. 15 Rd back up mag also , cause at that point why not?

[@Gypsyman40]

@@douglasphillips24 It's definitely a good shoot. Has everything to do with the grip over and to the front of the gun. Thanks for the comment

[@donalgoan5083]

I carry the G45 as well but i have the overwatch TAC which is np3 coated and easier to clean. Pulls at 4 lbs and is designed for ccw. 100% dependable.

[@Gypsyman40]

I love the G45 platform. Balance, feel, control and size. It just makes sense

[@Gunsfornewbies]

Great video. There’s always complications with brand new products in my opinion you see that in every industry so I think you have a great point.

[@Gypsyman40]

Thank you and that was my point. I still enjoy the GPT.

[@LukeTacticall]

I gotta disagree with point shooting out to that distance. I don’t believe in point shooting almost at all anyways, but especially out past 3 yards or so. I think it’s an excuse to not train at real speed. You can’t rely on point shooting to not accidentally go beyond your target and hit an innocent person or just miss completely. 3 yards or in, yes you are close enough to maybe point shoot but you can still train to be fast enough to see your sights even at maximum speed. I’ve done the Modern Samurai 3x2 drill in 1.36 seconds and seen my dot for all 5 shots to account for all of my shots (it’s documented on my channel * self defense drills video*). Not hating just have to disagree with the point shoot out to certain distances and encourage faster real world training

[@Gypsyman40]

Before I answer this I want to thank you for engaging. I'm not aware of your background and real life experience so please excuse any assumptions if any that I make. The variable that is missing from your training is a real life treat trying to harm you. One can be the best shooter in the world but in a real life situation your skill level will surely diminish greatly. Some say it will diminish to your level of training and I've read great quotes that support this notion. Your motor skill will diminish and you vision will tunnel with that adrenalin dump. I see alot of great shooters online training others to be more proficient, but most don't talk about what happens when shyt really hits the fan. So you shoot quickly under the buzzer and I'm sure that make you look and feel like a well prepared self defending shooter. What if you did that same training with someone trying to shoot you? I would argue that you won't have time to set yourself up to shoot 1.3 odd seconds using the sights. I use this example to demonstrate that it BS respectfully to think that you will pull this off under real circumstances. Additionally, if you and I where shooting on the move shooting at a 3-7 yard target I'll bet your shooting with you dot/sights will not beat my sight/predictive shooting. Times would definitely increase and accuracy will suffer, but this would be a more realistic approach for this exercise. And keep in mind I'm aware that you are a talented shooter in comparison to most. Yes, we must be accountable for every round but I believe this is why you must decide if using your gun in a crowded area would be your best option. Sometimes it's best to retreat when all possible to cover or away from the situation. Especially if you know your not that good and a director doesn't say cut after you pull that trigger.

[@nusdogg]

I have the Overwatch TAC trigger (Polished Trigger Bar), 3lbs Ghost Edge Connector, and polished my OEM Glock Plunger on Gen5 Glock19 MOS. I 100% trust this setup on my Glock. 🤘

[@Gypsyman40]

sounds cool. How many rounds has been thru it?

[@nusdogg]

@@Gypsyman40 So far 100 RDS since it was recently installed. I will be getting back out there this coming up weekend.

[@Gypsyman40]

@@nusdogg cool... Let me know how that goes. Respect

[@tedlava]

The partially-cocked striker (OEM stock trigger) will still ignite a primer, if it manages to bypass the firing pin safety, which is very robust... If that's the case, having a partially-cocked striker just gives you spongier trigger with no added safety. I don't believe the partially-cocked striker has ever been advertised by Glock as one of their safeties. kzbin.info/www/bejne/enOmeJeuoq5_erssi=8MmZ2pvrF-j5Qy5u

[@Gypsyman40]

I trust and believe in the Glock drop safety. With that said, I have experience this mechanical mechanism fail believe it or not. I watched the video and I loved the engineering involved. Thanks for sharing that and thanks for the chat

[@boomee78]

From a person who has been in stressful situations you do use your sights

[@Gypsyman40]

It is my profession to be in stressful situations and it all depends on the distance of the threat and how fast you need to stop said threat. You finding your sights will not be faster than me point shooting and that is if you remember using your sights which I doubt. Respectfully... P.S. I believe you may be local to me...we can always put this theory to the test and a range near us. Peace...

[@ckim420]

People have been saying that the Timney trigger is not drop safe for the same reason. I.e., the sear can drop when the trigger is not pulled since it's not attached to the cruciform and thus not held up by the shelf. The firing pin safety should prevent a discharge, but I agree that it doesn't seem as safe as the original design.

[@spaceman063]

Out of not paying attention of where i was laying my g19 with the gpt installed months ago it fell from the table and hit the concrete hard and didn't go off, truth to tell I wasn't even thinking about that as much as I was worried that my Holosun eps was broken but it seems that it was good to go too!

[@Gypsyman40]

It isn't as safe as the original in theory. I'm sure its safe because glock made it until it not. Go figure...Competition it will stay for me

[@Gypsyman40]

An expected result of safety...

[@JackalopeGhost]

Your anxiety matches mine. lol. I salute you. It's not easy. I actually went back to Gen 3 with a tool steel striker because I've seen two Gen 5 strikers BREAK.

[@Gypsyman40]

Gen 3 though...I've shot thousands of rounds with all my gen 5's without incident.

[@kanejakejimmy]

I'm with you on this. Ran mine for a month with an Overwatch Precision Polydat shoe. Liked it a lot. Never felt comfortable with it. Now I only use it when I zero red dots. It does tighten my groups. But if I don't trust it? Then it doesn't matter.

[@Gypsyman40]

Im glad you get what Im saying. Why risk it

[@cometcal2]

The resistance in the stock trigger was meant to take the place of an external safety

[@Gypsyman40]

it gives time to make the right choice for sure

[@christopherbaten5459]

“I never heard of a Glock just going off with the OEM trigger in someone’s gun.” Guess what, you never heard of a Glock just going off with the Glock performance trigger either…

[@Gypsyman40]

Not yet... It's possible...its mechanical. I know someone personally that was a glock operator professionally that had a discharge with his Gen 4 glock 22. It was not believed by the range personnel that it went off without the trigger being pulled...impossible right. They were able to replicate the immaculate firing multiple times downrange. I used this example to demonstrate that it's possible even with glock. True story. Thanks for engaging

[@robertsalyers1351]

Great information. Thanks for sharing your insight. I normally keep all my Glocks stock. The only thing I've changed is maybe a red dot but I'm not really a red dot guy, I'm old school OG Iron sights

[@beansbeansbeans4025]

For my work guns a Glock 17 and 19 I use OEM. All of my other Glocks I use GPT with the exception of my 34. I don’t think there is an issue with the GPT.

[@Gypsyman40]

No issue at all if you use it for its intended use which is competition. I love it in my setup

[@Gypsyman40]

Right on bro. I'm with you on that

[@toddtzm]

I have over 12000 rounds on my GPT G45 EDC from nightly COF training. It has lightened up from 4.12 to 3.11. After researching past few days the answer from the expert JG says the key is to use an OEM plus connector. It’s now on order along with a JG drop in kit as I heard fantastic reviews about it.

[@Gypsyman40]

Mmm... That's interesting. Please let me know how the setup works for you.

[@beforedeth2104]

Where do I get this oem plus connector? I’m getting a 4.5 gpt on unlimited for 77 shipped for my new g45 and would like it setup good and can’t afford JG stuff

[@Gypsyman40]

@@beforedeth2104 There is nothing wrong with the oem flat trigger shoe that comes with your GPT. You can get the oem plus connector from Glocks website. I would give a few other websites but Im not sponsored by any of them. With that said, check on NDZperformance.com as well.

[@toddtzm]

@@beforedeth2104 Midwestgunworks is where I bought one. It does make it a heavier pull.

[@toddtzm]

@@Gypsyman40 Installed this on my friends similar setup, whose trigger also lightened up. She didn't like the plus connector heavier pull so we bought her a new dot connector, the same one that ships with the GPT (5.5 pounds) and now it feels like the way it was when new. I am happy with my JG drop in kit so no longer using the GPT in mine.

[@Oberon536]

Funny how this video appears in my feed THE DAY I get my performance trigger delivered. Like I literally just got it out of the mail and I am in front of my comp about to watch that glock guy do it again for the 20th time...

[@Gypsyman40]

To be honest it's me. I love the GPT feel and performance, but just not in my EDC.

[@Gypsyman40]

Well to be honest, there is definitely a difference in the trigger weight and feel when comparing the two. Remember it's about disturbing the front sight or dot less. The GPT does this and the follow up shots should be faster. In my experience... Respectfully

[@dapperdangerous-l9i]

I'm on that same exact tip bro. look up the 25 cent Glock trigger upgrade. I did it to my 26 and it is worlds smoother than my 43x. They felt similar before I did it and now it feels like a half a pound lighter but way more butter start to finish.

[@Gypsyman40]

Exactly...

[@JimmyNindrix]

If an upgrade makes you less confident then it’s not really an upgrade.

[@Gypsyman40]

It depends on the how you are going to use it. For competition, the performance trigger is great. It is not made for EDC even though you can EDC it if you like.

[@jeffreyfales7343]

The trigger is made by glock so y do u trust onee their triggers and not the other

[@Gypsyman40]

I trust the Glock trigger, but even Glock says it is not for EDC. It's a competition trigger and I love it for that application.

[@michaelhodges8312]

I have the McNally trigger assembly in all my Glocks. Never will I go back to the OEM trigger assembly.

[@shog4267]

McNalley triggers are awesome my friend!

[@ArmedArabTV]

Is that a tymney alpha trigger or performance glock trigger because theres an absolute difference the glock performance trigger pulls around 4.5lbs vs the tymney alpha trigger which pulls at 2lbs in some glocks but usually in that 2.5-3lb range also the tymney alpha trigger which im sure is what your recording is made for competition use and not for edc so i as well would be scared shit less if i carried that i own the gen 5 26 as well as glock 45 and run the apex tactical trigger in both zero malfunctions and both pull at 3.5lbs perfect for edc and not worried about cheddar bobbing. ‼️‼️

[@Gypsyman40]

Right...Its me... Not the GPT. To be honest, I feel souch better having the oem trigger in my edc's

[@zenryder1959]

I’m with you. I’d avoid the Timney for the same reason. For EDC I’d stick to Apex or Overwatch (which supposedly are the only two aftermarket triggers accepted for duty use by police departments).

[@essvd2524]

Except the actual Glock trigger lmao

[@Gypsyman40]

Thanks for the info

[@Gypsyman40]

It works thought...

[@eyesnearstactical]

Interesting insight thanks for sharing. 👍🏾

[@mr.blanco6763]

Check out the falix. I use the GPT from Overwatch. It was entirely coated in NP3. It feels amazing

[@Gypsyman40]

Will do

[@macalpha4099]

its actually hard to find a pistol without a precocked trigger design in 2024. Hkvp9, walther pdp, sw mps, caniks all have precocked triggered.

[@Gypsyman40]

True... When glock is absolutely sure... I'll be back

[@opmike343]

The striker is also cocked enough with a traditional glock trigger to ignite a primer. This partially cocked striker being an additional safety measure is a forum myth that has been debunked multiple times.

[@Gypsyman40]

@@opmike343 I'm very aware and without going into the legal matters of modifications on an EDC gun I will feel more comfortable when glock either installs the trigger in the Gen 6, which is unlikely or say in writing that this unit can be used in an EDC application. Besides that my trigger pulls at 3.5 lbs. Brand new first Gen GPT. That's just too light for an EDC. Respectfully...

[@kendric98]

Put a dot connector in the performances trigger.

[@Gypsyman40]

The GPT comes with the dot connector, which only applies to the weight of the trigger pull. I enjoy the light pull it has. Thanks though

[@SOTGMarine]

I did the same thing for the same reason…

[@Gypsyman40]

Why take chances...Respect

[@joeyc1866]

Hi Quick question Just purchased the Glock performance trigger everything looks good and it’s performing well but when I remove the slide to take the gun apart I notice that the side plate is making contact with the metal piece that holds the fire pin I have to pull it alittle hard for it to come out or just press the trigger just a little bit so that metal piece can have clearance Is this normal?

[@Gypsyman40]

Yes, in order to take the gun apart with the GPT you must hold down the trigger. It will be alittle catchie the slide and frame but this is the way and its normal with this trigger. don't force anything...

[@joeyc1866]

@@Gypsyman40actually the back plate it rubbing /touching the sear not the slide on the frame

[@Gypsyman40]

@@joeyc1866 what generation glock did you put the trigger in?

[@joeyc1866]

Glock 26 Gen 5

[@joeyc1866]

@@Gypsyman40Glock 26 Gen 5

[@felipechamma1970]

I use Agency Drop In on my Glock's, including the EDC, I've never had any type of failure, does anyone have anything against the Agency triggers?

[@Gypsyman40]

What is the trigger pull weight for that unit. It all comes down to being deliberate under stress with the trigger. Lighter triggers are a liability on a EDC.

[@thinkfree652]

The Glock Performance trigger is from the company it is safe. You are over thinking it. Just don't carry one in the chamber, if you are that paranoid.

[@Gypsyman40]

I think people are missing the take home with this. A lighter trigger shouldn't be in your EDC. I can list a few reasons if needed.

[@chicagosouthside3261]

I have the glock performance trigger on the 19 gen 5, 19x and 45 because the stock trigger is very gritty like that FN509 and I hate it thats what made to switch out the stock trigger to the performance trigger and I haven't looked back

[@Gypsyman40]

Yes. I love the GPT as well. To be honest... in the unfortunate event of having to use your EDC, and I hope this day never comes, you will not feel if your trigger feels gritty... Lol. Respect...

[@BenRock82]

Is that a holoson scs? If so can you share what sights you used?

[@gavincmurphy]

Looks like AmeriGlo Troopers with a green front.

[@BenRock82]

@@gavincmurphy Just picked up Trijicon HD XR for my Glock 49. Added the holoson scs. It looks great

[@gavincmurphy]

@@BenRock82 I like the idea of the SCS since you can use it with standard height sights. How do you like it so far?

[@Gypsyman40]

Exactly...

[@Gypsyman40]

I like the SCS for that reason, but I must say that the window is too small...better than nothing I guess.

[@hotuish]

Ewww gross. Glock OEM triggers are the worst hands down on any decent firearm. Maybe it works for your hands. I have two Glocks and I might never get another one.

[@Gypsyman40]

To be honest my preferred oem trigger usually have a flat shoe upgrade, which actually improves the feel of the oem trigger.

[@AmbiguousKP]

I would also have a hard time putting the pulled back sear aside in my mind with the gun in my britches 😅 Always wanted to try the Johnny Glock…

[@Gypsyman40]

Johnny knows his stuff but I wouldn't put his vex trigger shoe/GPT combo in an EDC

[@AmbiguousKP]

@@Gypsyman40 Same. Johnny doesn't use the thing so I wouldn't buy it either 😆

[@boomee78]

Gyspman the trigger is not for edc

[@Gypsyman40]

Very clear and my point

[@Dressed2KillTaye]

Subscribed. Yeah alot of people saying them Triggers Faulty. Factory pretty good honestly.

[@Gypsyman40]

It's true really... Give the Glock a totally different feel.

[@Dressed2KillTaye]

@@Gypsyman40 if it messing with Glock Perfection don't even waste you time my guy. Learn the OEM & call it a day.

[@Gypsyman40]

@@Dressed2KillTaye I feel you homie. Respect...

[@Dressed2KillTaye]

@@Gypsyman40 Keep Grinding. I'm LOCKED IN! 🥂🙏🏾❤

[@ArmedArabTV]

Also my opinion on GPT is straight “money gig” glock knows what there doing there’s literally lil to no difference between stock triggers so why not spend a extra $50-$100 and get something better but yea thats just my two cents maybe im wrong 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@maxmccain8950]

If you ever get in a self defense gunfight you probably want that heavier trigger and won’t feel the weight of it anyway. Let’s pray that never happens. I also carry a G19/23/32 on a daily basis and have for 27 years.

[@Gypsyman40]

totally agree. thanks for your comment

[@kalanipitmon7817]

Wanna put ine in my mr920

[@Gypsyman40]

Can this be done i wonder...

[@MakeAndFixItYourSelfProjects]

Man might consider doing the Apex Trigger, it uses the same Glock parts except the trigger, it has all the Glock safeties, but the trigger break is the same

[@Gypsyman40]

If you are referring to the timney system I definitely would reconsider that idea. Too many videos on youtube on the light primer strikes.

[@philipfuentes6108]

I’ll take it 🫴🏼

[@Gypsyman40]

Lol... I still use it