KSP2: Moho SSTO

[@FerociousPancake888]

I love so much that Jagex doesn’t copyright their RuneScape music so a bunch of people use it on KZbin. Those music tracks slap.

[@carlwheezer3662]

If you keep consistently making quality videos like this one, i can confidently say that you are going to go places on youtube. Awesome video man.

[@Art3mis_games]

He is the best ksp 2 KZbinr I have seen

[@kasuha]

4:00 Ideally you want to intercept Moho at its periapsis. Or more accurate, at its ascending/descending point closer to the periapsis. Yes you need more dv for the transfer burn but you save that dv difference and more on braking at Moho. Also, there's a way to significantly reduce dv you need to get to Moho: gravity assist at Eve. With that, it's very achievable to visit Moho with regular SSTO that does not drop parts. 6:20 To deal with the "Moho curse": you can burn to just barely exit its SoI and stay interplanetary in orbit close to Moho's. And then you can plan your optimal transfer from interplanetary space. Moho's Oberth effect is negligible so you're not even losing that much dv on that.

[@BumpyLumpy1]

this was a really great video. no bs and straight to the point. definitely subscribing!

[@L3tharge]

Awesome video as usual :) What about a scaffolding around the SStO'nt you can undock, on which the jet engines and drop tanks are mounted. Maybe a probe core on there, too. Then you could redock with the structure in LKO after returning. I love your narration style!

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

glad you liked it! Yup, it was something i thought about as well, but sadly, a bit to late, since i already had a good chunk of the video done already :P

[@calamitalnerd1778]

you mentioned how Moho has the transfer bug, but it's also the same on Duna for many people, myself included, and I've personally experienced it once leaving Minmus' SOI but not every time on Minmus

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

Moho is not the only place that has the bug, but it is the most cursed out of all of them xD

[@leoshork]

Would a reusable SSTO with staging be feasible? E.g. you leave the "aerodynamic" part of the SSTO in LKO, do your interplanetary trip, then an Apollo style landing, then you gather back your command module, and reattach to the aerodynamic part before reentry. I suspect docking ports would make this extremely hard but it also does sound very very cool!

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

Yup, it would be. The idea did cross my mind, but i only thought about it towards the end of the vid production. Its something ill likely explore in the future :P

[@Louis-ok3ry]

i've had this idea before, kinda like a spaceplane and a payload except the payload is a rocket, and they're so tightly integrated and designed for each other that it'd be impractical to use either part with something else

[@CursedBystander]

You could name that kind of SSTO a 'MSAO' or 'Multi-Stage After Orbit', it's just an idea that came to mind

[@socraticat]

I'm excited to see your content when there are fewer bugs in the game. What patience you have! Thank you for the content despite the high effort. Fantastic work!

[@NaeroSpace]

What a cool build and video! Great editing and presentation. I cracked up at how your landing gear behaved upon landing at the end. I'm not sure which is worse, KSP 1 wheels, or KSP 2 (I say with love) lmao

[@ThatBoiOnLaythe]

SSOTO! Single Stage Only To Orbit

[@maximsinitsa9514]

Decoupling sideboosters makes your "spaceplane" tot technically SSTO. Those sideboosters are your 1st stage

[@sirorange1765]

he still got single stage to orbit. it just wasn't single stage to moho.

[@zenothksp]

Sick video dude, really impressive! I couldn't have done that myself

[@fish-champ]

It’s always a good day when Kerman Von Braun uploads!

[@CarnotaurusEnjoyer]

yessir

[@theprogrammer32]

the only reason for you to hold on to those empty jet-stage boosters and carry them into orbit was for the craft to technically qualify as an ssto but then you either deorbit it or leave it as space debris so? i feel like the craft itself did not want to do that, like there was no reason to do that except only to "make" it an ssto :/ dont get me wrong im not hating im just thinking if it was like a separate 'craft' that could at least de-orbit itself then there would be no contest, it's two crafts, one's the SSTO, the other is the plane. but with actual, dumb boosters it kind of asks the question of where the line is (especially when the boosters dont even get it to orbit on their own oop) great content, ssto's are hard to optimize, i can't do better

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

Yup, the stupidity of lugging the jets all the way to space for no other reason then for them to end up as space debri is not lost on me xD I did experiment with adding seperatrons and have them de-orbit the spent stages after separation, but i quickly found out that it required a lot of fine tuning for the boosters to fly straight with out any sas control, so i decided that spending hours to make the jets de-orbit is not really worth the effort.

[@ghostdog0424]

I would call this an SSTLKO, emphasizing the fact that it's only single stage until LKO in the same way STOVL implies that an aircraft COULD take off vertically, but without any useful payload.

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

i feel like SSTO and SSTLKO mean the exact same thing, so it would lead to the same confusion :P

[@flzkdhs11921]

Nice job

[@MarvinHuber_KSP]

Really cool! I could never do that! The only thing that's annoying (from the game) is that the hydrogen tanks look so specific, I'd like a fairling variant)

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

Well i do think hydrogen tank's can add to the look of some builds, it for sure doesnt work for all of them (visually anyway). An alternate version of the h-tanks with a fairing around it should be a no brainer for the devs. Considering how much the community is asking for it, id be very surprised if it wont be added in a later patch.

[@MarvinHuber_KSP]

@@Kerman_von_Braun I mean for a design SSTO you can just ad the fairling yourself, but it ads weight of course

[@fish-champ]

Agreed. Hydrogen tanks don’t look very strong in atmospheres they need a fairing variant for future hydrolox rockets or other uses for hydrogen

[@gabausaurus8315]

Great vid, you got me back to make SSTO, can you try to do the HOTOL in a near future, it is actually quite of an challenge to even make it take off

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

sweet, great to hear! Cant say i know what a HOTOL is :P

[@gabausaurus8315]

@@Kerman_von_Braun it's the predecessor of the Skylon with a rear wing + canard design, with the rudder at the front too, it use RAPPIERs. Other question : do you plan on doing a discord server ?

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

@@gabausaurus8315 hmmm, i might make the hotol at some point... tho im not super in to replicas so who knows. Yup, i do, but i feel like my channel is to small and the server might end up being dead :P So im putting it off for a later date

[@gabausaurus8315]

oh ok, i like the layout of this SSTO but this is the most difficult build i've ever try to do, between the game bugs (like my wing rip off even before lighting up the engine or the camera setting automatically to orbit, the rudder who don't work when it's in the front of a build...) and the fact that the CoL is far from the CoG make it not so easy. I'm looking forward to the discord, i don't have much friends who plays KSP2 and they're not that much public servers out there too.

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

@@gabausaurus8315 man, if you think this build looks rough, just wait for my next vid xD Not exactly an ssto, but its a space plane with 40 whiplashes. Yup, the bugs are very annoying to deal with. Ive basically just embraced the succ at this point.

[@justageekygamer]

IMO, the acronym for staging after orbit is ssuo (single stage until orbit)

[@nefarioulyte9996]

so basically SSTO but with an unnecessary change?

[@mostafamohammedahmed3404]

This video was amazing but does ksp 2 make ssto’s more viable or vice versa?

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

id say a bit of both :P

[@augustosani]

Still an SSTO in my book. Good job!

[@Kerbalnautics91]

she's pretty :]

[@captainmichael787]

Nice landing gear in the end yoh got 6 wheels but the game just says ehh let’s just use 3

[@alan-daniel]

haha I didn't see that. Wonder what happened there. I haven't done a ton of messing around with KSP2 SSTOs yet but haven't run into that myself

[@bradengriffin298]

You could say SSTM for a single stage mission

[@spaceboykk1224]

How do you make your thumbnails?

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

I run screenshots through an ai filter :P

[@QuirkyView]

It is an SSTO, it's simply not a Single-Stage-to-Moho

[@Silly_Allan]

ssto is single stage to orbit msto is multible stage to orbit--

[@przemeklisicki8741]

This should have been an sstm, single stage to moho

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

lmao i like it

[@przemeklisicki8741]

@@Kerman_von_Braun if so then do a jool 5 using an sstm

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

@@przemeklisicki8741 Its definitely doable :)

[@przemeklisicki8741]

@@Kerman_von_Braun then do it, rn you needed several stages just to reach moho, unless you use part clipping and mining(if its in ksp2)

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

@@przemeklisicki8741 Oh, you mean jool 5 with no staging? im a bit confused. Jool 5 takes very similar d.v to moho, so with staging post LKO, it wouldnt be an issue. I dont think we currently have the tech to do it with out staging

[@timothybradford6652]

I think it's cheating, but only because you don't bring all the parts back to kerbin. If you split off the wings and jets in orbit, and picked them up on your way back, I'd say it counts.

[@Kerman_von_Braun]

Man, so many people are suggesting it haha. A bit sad i didnt think of it before i made the video since it could of definitely been done :P

[@Silly_Allan]

ur flying an msto not an ssto lol