KTM 790 Adventure vs Yamaha Tenere 700

Two of the bikes of 2019 go head-to-head in a 44T über adventure test; a day on Wales' finest roads followed by a day off-roading at the Mick Extance centre. Plus, we throw a wildcard in for good measure...
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[@ChrisBirchNZ]

Thanks for the plug gents! Very kind of you.

[@KentRodgman]

Mossy's shit vs fart story literally made me spit coffee on my desk. I would pay a lot of money to have a beer with that fella.

[@alanbstard4]

the whole point of the Yammy 700 was to have an affordable bike without all that sometimes unnecessary electronics

[@kiwilito]

According that you could buy a XT660R

[@alanbstard4]

@@kiwilito maybe but I have no idea what the xt costs. I can only say it has been stated by Yamaha and the moto press the Yammy 700 was released without electronics as there are people who don't like tech, brilliant though it is. , and many who can do without them, and it saves money not having them. It allows the rider to be a motorcyclist instead of a computer operator

[@MichaelAbramo]

@@kiwilito Why would you want an adventure bike with all that shit? Give me an XR650L, DR650, XR650R, XT660 any day over these giant adventure bikes. Waiting for Yamaha to release a WR450R.

[@SelfPropelledDevo]

@@MichaelAbramo I agree with the sentiment of way too many rider aides on an adv bike

[@TROXXOS]

*sometimes necessary i think

[@thugfox3000]

The old man is a diamond geezer.

[@ajohnson1066]

Loved how he was just telling his poo story for a solid minute

[@KTMsteve]

You could stab that guy and he’d just laugh at you

[@ThrillaPark]

Such a good rider he is.

[@bradleyland]

I watched the video twice just to see the look on Alastair's face when Chris goes on a rant. Solid gold.

[@garmit61]

Super Mossy

[@guypritchard8259]

This convinced me to buy a brand new 790. It was brilliant... when it worked. It went back 9 times to 3 different dealers in the first year. The dealers where rude and unhelpful... I ended up hating it and traded it for a 2003 gsxr1000. Not once has it let me down.

[@connectorxp]

Unfortunately not the first or the last complaining about reliability, had the same question and the T7 is the answer, after years of driving Toyotas I don’t think I will want to visit the service center more than I visit the petrol station 😂

[@FortyFourTeeth]

Couple of points: edited. 1 - Yes, the prices have gone up since we shot this in October, but it's all relative so left the ranty bits in 2 - Yes, there will be a Budget Bike Battle update this week 3 - Thank you 4 - No. By saying Wales has it faults, we weren't 'slagging off Wales or the Welsh.' Jeeeez. Chill out

[@afroaliens]

4 - no, thank YOU!

[@mikyGTT]

I look forward to your next superbike shootout video/review. Its hard to judge which bikes to include once you bring the price into the equation. From what I can gather the price of the top model S1000RR is quite a bit cheaper than the projected new top model Fireplace price and certainly cheaper than the V4R ... very interesting indeed.

[@FortyFourTeeth]

@@mikyGTT we've got a six-way banger coning early next year 👍🏽

[@mikyGTT]

@@FortyFourTeeth I look forward to it, I offered before but I'll offer again. If you help with anything then give me a shout.

[@RawTopShot]

philshaq That northerner is a legend. No punches pulled, says what he means and means what he says. 🏆🏆🏆

[@Real_MisterSir]

Value proposition of the Tenere 700: It's cheap to buy, cheap to insure, cheap to run. Parts are readily available, based on the MT-07 engine platform that's proven reliable with low maintenance costs. No fancy electronic gizmos that can get faulty or intrude in your riding, you learn to become a better rider rather than having the electronics save your mistakes. Imo electronics should be there to save you in hazard moments, not to make worse riders "better" by doing the job for them. Also, saves cost and weight. It's a simple bulletproof package out of the box, even if something does go wrong its going to be 10x easier to fix than anything that might happen to the KTM. And this is probably the biggest factor in chosing a proper ADV bike, and not just the highway slayers that are approved for knobbies (looking at you, GS1200). In the end, when saving 3 grand on an adventure bike, how much suspension can you get for that kind of money, and still have enough left to pay repair bills and fuel for years? The whole point of adventure riding is to have a sturdy reliable machine that is cheap and easy to fix, and you can depend on it getting you to your destination. The Tenere ticks all those boxes, so everything above that becomes a surplus where value for money play the biggest role. Here, all the KTM bikes start losing out to the competition.

[@paulvandervyver4223]

I couldn't agree more. Simple, affordable Japanese reliability. I hope Yamaha keep their wits about them and not give in to the whims of "bad riders" to add a host of rider aids like what happened to the Africa twin. Always keep a standard base model in the lineup without all the tech for the riders that don't want it

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@paulvandervyver4223 Yes exactly. We are already seeing it with liter bikes, where you can't extract the performance anymore without majorly overstepping natural abilities of most riders, so they keep adding more electronics to make up for it, which in the end just means you pay more for the same experience, and more intrusion. I hope adv bikes will follow the upcoming superbike trend of focusing on the experience, rather than the spec sheet and just fixing every issue with more electronics. Before we know it, they might as well replace the rider entirely.

[@aleks_the_Great13]

@@Real_MisterSir Ktm is not even getting close to Yamaha reliability and making a bike that is 40% more expensive then the T7 with some good suspension package and electronics is not going to stop people from buying the yamaha as it is a cracking bike with the most fun engine I have ever ridden... Good brakes and good suspension for 90% of people out there.. I have tested Husky,Ktm , Aprilia and was a GS owner prior to owning the T7 and I am happy that I have made the decision. Fuelling is spot on, gearbox is very good and the brakes amazing , all this for less than 204 kg and for half the price of gs1250...

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Yamaha is no stranger to electronic gizmos and controls (R1M, anyone?). But those things really aren't necessary on the T7. Organic control is better in some cases, and this is one of those cases.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@matty d Did I hit a nerve? I'm sorry the needlessly expensive bikes do not improve on the desired adv package. Sure if you're not sufficiently skilled or adventurous, go ahead and spend the extra money on the KTM and have it save your wealthy ass :) I am in fine position to buy either bike, but nothing the KTM offers over the Tenere is interesting, quite the opposite actually. Also remember this is subjective, I'm just stating that anything the KTM offers above the Yamaha, is only valid for a niche target who specifically wants those things. For everyone else, they just add extra cost and needless complexity to a package that didn't need any extras. Perfection is not achieved when there is nothing more to add, but rather when there is nothing superfluous left to strip away.

[@kpappa]

Well said, but I vote reliability in the end, and everyone knows what I'm talking about !

[@Fekillix]

KTM is actually moving production of the 790 to China, so I can't see it getting better either.

[@donovanc7795]

Yep that why I bought a tenere! Wait till you have to take the ktm to the dealer!

[@Tashyncho-Sapa]

all new stuff after 2020 are not reliable

[@Tashyncho-Sapa]

@@Fekillix so you think people in austria, are smarter and more hardworkers than the people in china?

[@Fekillix]

@@Tashyncho-Sapa Think of the average CFMoto bike (whom they are partnering with), is that what KTM should be or should their quality level be like the Japanese or other European brands? They are moving to cut costs.

[@Your.Best.Friend]

Mossy is hilarious!!! Keep him around to regale the viewers with his shit stories. Plus it's fun to watch Fagan try not to show his frustration at being interrupted every 2 secs. 🤣

[@tonebonetones]

Hilarious, no. A gobshite can often appear to be hilarious, but at the end of the day remains a gobshite.

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

@@tonebonetones plus one. Don't know why anyone finds it hilarious. Crude, unecessary and annoying.

[@Anonymous-or4ru]

tonebonetones & Paul C must be fun at parties

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

@@Anonymous-or4ru I am. Life and soul me ;-) It's just I don't have to be downright crude to be funny...the lowest form of wit, next to sarcasm.

[@Your.Best.Friend]

@@ReferenceFidelityComponents dude...you are so erudite and uptight about what you think is funny that you completely misread Mossy and thought he is being crude. What makes him funny is that he is oblivious to social norms and etiquette. That's what makes him hilarious. It's called irony! But I suppose irony goes over the head of some folks.

[@orical2832]

Yamaha for me. KTM not only more expensive initially, but also more complicated (increases odds of things going wrong). Plus factor into cost service and maintenence costs are higher... Beautiful bikes, but I know many KTM riders that have been left on the side of the road more than once.

[@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney]

Agreed completely. At my weight (150 lbs), I have no doubt a stock T7 would be perfectly fine for me, but even if not I could throw 1500-2000 bucks at suspension stuff and have a better bike, still for less money, that I know for certain will be MUCH more reliable and cheaper to own. Better looking to boot, and with an exhaust better sounding, too.

[@fenner-g6088]

I went Tenere 700, happier to see £8.5k laying in a puddle that £12.5k (and it has regularly !), and I'll never be able to outride it either, it'll always be better that me lol !

[@sinki19841984]

This, i ride KTM but 12.5k to trash in the mud? Are you fookin mad? I took a 5k Euro ktm 950 instead of a 1190 that costs triple that.... If it drops in a puddle, who cares?!

[@dexio85]

If you are poor than don't buy new bikes.

[@fenner-g6088]

@@dexio85 who's poor ? So if you'd prefer to see a 8.5k bike laying on the mud instead of a 12k one your poor .... haha haha

[@dexio85]

@@fenner-g6088 Well it's not me commenting on price of those bikes. The price difference between KTM 790 and T7 is minuscule compared to other costs of adventure riding or even additional accessories. Also, its you that brings the concern about stuff getting damaged - "8.5k laying in a puddle" , etc. Basically, you got cheaper bike because obviously price was a big factor for you. Don't try to make it as if it was a "wiser choice" now. I got 790R and I'm having a blast - that bike is way more fun that T7, yeah it costs more and has faults that I have to fix but I don't mind that because I bought it for the experience it provides, not because it was a "good value".

[@fenner-g6088]

@@dexio85 my new hero 😂😂

[@malcomthewasp]

The sum total is greater than the individual parts..... fagan and mossy at their absolute best.... I doubt motorcycle journalism will ever reach such heady heights again!!!

[@N221BP]

The best suspension upgrade is losing 3 stone.

[@philwilliamson3370]

For the rest of us that aren't chubby to start with, go with the 790R..

[@davemould5868]

Also you get more comfort out of the seat by losing weight!😉

[@cullennowell]

@@philwilliamson3370 You can do so much suspension work for 3-4k.

[@juliendufour4513]

or more!

[@TheJaxsonjack]

Uhmmm ... how much is a "stone"???

[@punavmirlekar]

the accent of the elder rider is so positive and fun to listen

[@bruceleong9534]

On track, on road and off road, you guys just keep getting better. Mossy is a national treasure. He doesn’t have to try to be funny, he just is.

[@IRLtrolls]

I don't like how all the channels are afraid to comment on the reliability of KTM. Let's be honest here, KTM is a nightmare of maintenance and reliability. Especially for people in the USA were dealer support and parts are harder to come by. Since the T7 shares the engine with the Mt07, you have more available parts and knowledge on the bike. There is not competition here. The T7 is the bike that will define dual sports for years to come.

[@danc830]

brilliant video 44T was great seeing these bikes put through their paces especially on Micks stomping ground!!.the tenere 700 is a beauty.thanks guys!

[@ridingflats]

Sue sacking it off again, hates the mud.

[@imustbepsychic.]

Haha yeah but that green laning video tho 😁more please!

[@Itsthejourneynotthedestination]

Good to see old Mossy hasn't changed in his old age, never shuts up. Great vid lads, bought a T7 4 weeks back, my 4th tenere.

[@amancalledjames9345]

Whenever I see Mossy riding, I imagine him talking away to himself in his lid. You need a signal for when it’s his turn to speak, you know, like a pause or something 😀 Good review!

[@FortyFourTeeth]

We would have had even more of Mossy but his helmet camera mic failed - thankfully 😂

[@robertosmith1]

@@FortyFourTeeth HAHA

[@Errol.C-nz]

@@FortyFourTeeth How about a comparison t700 vs the original xtz750 & see 1.what yamahas teaser game was, & 2.is the t700 an improvement over what yamaha knew it already had... waaaay back in 89... its taken the rest of biker land 25 years to catch up... BUT... have they So... WHAT was Yamaha stupid marketing game with its 2 year delay teaser... whats changed from the xtz

[@ForeverUnknowing]

Nice comparison; came out about the way I figured. KTM all the way for me. I may be in the minority in thinking that it looks so much better than the T700, which I find to be quite ugly. I won't brand-bash like so many others, but the T700 does nothing for me. I do more street than off road for sure, and tend not to get carried away on middle- and heavyweight bikes anyways, so an S might be in my near future. It will take me anywhere I want to go, and I have no doubts about reliability. I've owned 4 KTMs and none of them have had any issues. I'm down to one, my trusty 640 Adventure, which has been just amazing, but the 790 will make a better two-up bike for long trips and won't give up anything offroad. I'm not even worried that the motor is made in China. KTM knocked it out of the park with the 790 for me.

[@alexsheriff3234]

That...”whoops a daisy...fook sake” moment is quality I replayed many times haha

[@rollafilms4601]

"If I had the money" Everything I have heard , read and watched now is pointing my back to the Tenere.

[@steverideout]

"I picked it oop with a fish slice"

[@SelfPropelledDevo]

this guy had me rolling! hilarious

[@juliancain6128]

Us yanks are still waiting for the T7 - Excellent video gentlemen!

[@martinbrown7830]

Mossy on the T7 "You should put the price up lads." I wish he hadn't said that-they're @ £9.5k now!

[@nipps223]

I'm 31 and still not pulled my finger out to get my Cbt or that. But I do like these reviews. 1. Small riders considered. 2. All grounds covered, off road/onroad.

[@connorb2112]

I was 25 when i did mine never rode 1 before on the road did 2 1hour lessons to learn how to ride answered about 2 or 3 questions on what road signs mean what and then took the test which took about 1 hour and that was that. Easy and cheap way to get about 125cc are plenty fast enough for city living and just fun to ride what you waiting for? All in it only took 4 or 5 hours of my life combined to do truth be told i think i spent more time getting to the test centre than i did passing the CBT

[@Erik-rp1hi]

I own 4 KTM's, two 300 (XC, EXC) a 450XCW and my old 520MXC. I think I would buy stiffer springs and buy the Yamaha.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Yep, won't be long before there'll be fork cartridges and shocks for the Tenere 700 in the aftermarket, solving any damping issues on rough stuff. That would jack the price about 1500-2000 dollars above purchase price, but that's still outside the price range of the 790A and 790AR.

[@xzistpo]

I am a ktm guy big time, but I must admit I would take the yammy here. I kept my 2013 smt because I do my own work and dont care much about all those electronic gizmos. I don’t want any of it and would still have to pay for them on almost any new bike. I love what yamaha have done here.

[@xzistpo]

mld this is exactly what I think too. Also, all these electronic gizmos are a pain In the ass when working on your bike. I mean even just basic maintenance is problematic. A friend of mine changed the oil on his multistrada and had to pay 100$ at the dealer so they would plug it to the computer to shut off the « change oil » warning. Now I just can’t imagine servicing a semi-active fork without being both a mechanic and a hacker (the later of which I am not at all) And I am not even talking about the time when all these gizmos will fail, and this time WILL come. All of this for gadgets I don’t even want to have in the first place. Needless to say, most new bikes turn me off for those reasons. Thats why I am holding on to my 2013 990SMT.

[@jayschmahl9206]

Just buy a Vespa. I saw a new Tenere today, what a dinosaur. If it wasn't for Yamaha plastered to the tank, not many people would take a second look.

[@RidetheBean]

Thanks for the comparison! We´re so glad we went for the T700, so happy with them! Can´t wait for the season to start properly here in Norway so the gravel roads open up properly again!

[@Lycanbrew]

I test ride the Tenere yesterday, then the new KTM 890 adventure. The Tenere pissed all over it. What a machine.

[@fingerscrossed2317]

Haha, in what expect ?, The engine ?.. and ..?

[@mattzobian]

Really? Were you riding slowly?

[@appymarley]

Is mossy standing on a log he looks taller than his normal 4ft 2"

[@InsertCleverUsername]

Don't worry, he picked it up with his trusty fish slice afterwards.

[@AmeriMutt76]

Thanks guys, great video! I have to take issue with the "we took these bike's to places where they should't go" comment. As a ~25/75 rider in Southern Colorado, i just have to say, the world of adventure riding is a lot 'rougher' than England and most of Europe have to offer. Not dissing these European reviews (I can't get enough while waitingfor our N. American Tenere), just adding that before saying things like "most people wouldn't take these bike's on this rough of trail" you might want to check out what trails adventure riders are actually riding in say, north and south america. In the Rocky Mountains we have inumerable 4x4 trails that take massively built up vehicles (a wench is often required) to pass, and for off road riders, thats our bread and butter. I have yet to see footage of a road anywhere near as rough as anything going into or out of Silverton/Ouray Colorado in Europe, for example. This isn't to brag, it's just something for "Adventure Bike riding reviews" to keep in mind while making huge sweeping statements about what riders elsewhere do with there bikes.

[@BeanieBiker_AutisticRider]

not been around Europe much then? you talk about South and North America, and try to compare Europe as something small, we have Scandinavia, the Baltics, the med, central Europe and the far east going to the borders of Russia, we have a bit of everything across the pond, and trust me, our off-road does compare to the Americas

[@ametti000]

The little bloke is a classic. Keep him on. Laurel and Hardy on bikes.

[@mickeypopa]

"The little bloke" xD

[@cirian75]

Mossy is back, nice to see him up and around after his huge smash

[@UniversalBikers16]

No one: Absolutely no one: Fagan: "Welcome to Wales, I mean it's got its faults hasn't it Chris".

[@d1977j]

Yamaha lost sales? Sales are coming in by storm, compared to KTM. 790 is known as issues bike, sorry to say. Yamaha only needs better suspension and that's all.

[@drewmorg.]

Here in Southern California these things are the same price at the dealerships.... KTM gives you cruise control, quick shifters, TFT display, better electronics all around for road and dirt, and higher quality suspension and a good bit more power as well. It's a no brainer. That Yamaha does look sweet though.

[@michaelwhite3615]

For the extra $3,600, a fraction of that would easily upgrade the Yamaha suspension. I don’t want all of the TCS, but I’m an experienced rider...newbies who fancy themselves as Malcom Smith wannabes will likely purchase the KTM...and then only take it off road once.

[@LanceLumbanPHI]

It has been 3 years since I watched this video and I got a 790 Adventure S. For those saying that it is unreliable, I ride it offroad, I ride it on dirt tracks, I ride it on street traffic and I would like to report that nothing has gone wrong with the bike. I rode with a guy with a Tenere and he had so many troubles with his. So in conclusion, you will have problems with your bike if you dont know how to ride and you dont know how to fix it. The 790 Adventure and the LC8C engine are wonders of motorcycle engineering. Nice work KTM!

[@brettsummer5070]

current bike is a 390 duke (dual sport tires) and ive enjoyed it but ive been ready to buy 1 of these 2 bikes. This validated my desire to keep my ktm gear. 790 adv seems to check the boxes. great vid

[@dashford06]

Great test. Love the KTM but hate (hate!) the styling. Really looking forward to the Husqvarna version...

[@carlosandleon]

I think all it needs is cover up the naked neck of the bike

[@tramagacity]

T7 winner, and if you put reliability in the equation, it will be miles better than the KTM

[@ryanmoloney99]

ye really need your own tv channel always cheers me up

[@sendsandsails]

Sometimes when camera changes or you pull out and I see you riding on the left side of the road I panic for 0.01 sec. until I remember you're not riding in Denmark.. Awesome job guys. Great comp., great shots, great fun! I'm rocking a '89 AT 650 at the moment but I would love to upgrade for maaaybe a Yamaha T700 at some point.

[@TheRtHonJimStiffOG]

Bored and need some background moto vids while I'm spreadsheeting, rewatching old 44T vids and this vid just reminds me how much I love Mossy

[@Gherbert1348]

That price difference in the UK is interesting. Here in Canada the T7 is $11,999, the KTM is $13,599. $1600 is really not a big jump. The 790 R is $14,699.

[@crgmrgn]

Great review … get the Tenere for its simplicity and spend a few quid on a custom suspension valving/re-work, always the first thing to improve your ride and here it pays for itself and you'll have a fabulously rounded bike as a result!

[@williamlloyd2006]

Do you really need different modes? I like Yamaha T-700 100% power all the time! Control the power with your wrist.

[@manuelfvdias]

The modes are for the ones who didn't discover what the wrist is there for.

[@Tonyx.yt.]

my riding modes are inside my right wrist :D

[@stevecade857]

Shame you guys didn't elaborate on the options you can add to the KTM and how effective Rally mode is. Great comparison though. I got a chubby for the Adv R so I bought one. The up/down quickshifter is bloody marvelous offroad.

[@FortyFourTeeth]

There was quite a lot we couldn't fit in - it was already too long really. But yes, agreed, the shifter and blipper are exquisite

[@backroads_gb]

As an off-roader I didn’t prefer the quickshift I found that the slightest pressure on the lever would cut throttle as if I were about to initiate a shift. I keep it disabled. The Rally mode is incredible though and contrary to the video my bike keeps the settings between rides.

[@stevecade857]

@@backroads_gb I know what you mean about the quickshifter and some light pressure but I've adjusted the height/angle of my shift lever and I don't have a big issue with it. For me the benefits outweigh the negative. I tend to stick my left foot slightly out so it's not over the lever, which ordinarily would be bad practice for catching things but, they still remain withing the protection of the tank lower. Still have to get the ergos dialed in for when standing (bar height / angle, clutch angle/length) so changing gear without using the clutch is much easier and far more comfortable especially as you can change down with the throttle open on the KTM quickshifter. It's also great for steep slopes where you need another gear and don't want to lose drive/momentum. I am not sure why the S with optional Rally mode would be any different to the R in remembering settings between power cycling. Mine also remembers the last mode it was in. Maybe the S they tested didn't have Rally mode?

[@backroads_gb]

Steve Cade I have an S with Rally mode maybe that is the key... I spent about 3 days tearing up a little bit of woods behind my house. Cleared about 700 miles of the KAT (Kentucky Adventure Tour) mostly offroad tracks through KY, WV, VA, and TN and I’m extremely happy with the bike. Totally out performed a buddies 1090r in terms of off road capability. In love with the bike!

[@jayschmahl9206]

Congrats! I hope to get one soon. What an incredible machine. KTM nailed it and all the rest will have up their game.

[@trekkydelirium-vroom5821]

I prefer the specifications of the KTM, but i prefer the look of the Yamaha. I hate the seat height of the T7 & i hate the design of the 790 Adventure. 😬

[@itslukkeee]

The old man is the funniest, as an Aussie his accent is absolute banter

[@stepheneldridge6998]

Great stuff..good to see the Tenere is such a good bike. Yamaha HAVE increased the price to £9100 , still good value. By the way, I hear the people from the Oxford English Dictionary are including the phrase 'Rally Slag' in the next edition.....Cheers, Steve

[@raymondavalon]

So, best comparative review I've seen to date! I own both a 1290 Super Adventure and a 790 Adv R and the 790 Adv R is the bike I would have bought over the 1290 Super Adv had it been available in 2017 Most of my previous bikes were Yamaha, my first being a YZ125 when I was a kid, an XT500 when I was 18, then came the IT enduro bikes, Maico 490 Alpha 1, a TT600 and quite a few road bikes too.. When I test rode the 790 Adv "S" (non-R) at the dealer, I was impressed, this one had "RallyMode" enabled as well as the QS+ (quick shifter +) enabled and I was sold, but I wanted the 790 Adv R and ordered it then and there with QS+ and cruise control (I live in France and it's almost as bad as the UK with "safety cameras) Then came the announcement of the T7, so I had to mull as to whether I should have bought another Yamaha or my 2nd KTM I made the right choice, as you fine gentlemen said, the 790 Adv R is in a class of its own... Why didn't do a rundown on the RallyMode electronics and did the 790 Adv R you rode have QS+? Thanks for this video and I'll say it again... best comparative review to date!

[@r6ymy]

Great review. I've just bought a standard 790 for £9500 new. Would have liked a 790R, but I'm Mossy sized, so it's just too tall for me.

[@FortyFourTeeth]

Brand new? Blimey. That's a deal

[@giuliobuccini208]

@@FortyFourTeeth without VAT 😆

[@alrightdave6135]

Yes, they are not selling and so discounted already. Some horror stories on them online

[@1996Takis1996]

First time I've seen this guy with Fagan. He's too funny.

[@RamtheCowy]

Absolutely impeccable B roll and banter.

[@doodle0007]

its awesome to watch the arguements and guess where it is going- awesome work gents~

[@rcarter498]

That gadgee. He cracks me up. Thanks lads - great test.

[@johnthompson9896]

How good's this..............A motorcycle manufacturer that makes a basic bike in these modern times. Top marks to Yamaha ( A bigger fuel tank would have been better though)..........The Yamaha will definitely be more reliable in the long term.

[@volt8684]

Mossey needs a channel. Everytime he appears he is lauded

[@Max-dj5qj]

So nobody made a suspension setting on the both bikes to check what's really possible? Well to be honest the biggest problem in Central Europe and in Germany even more is, that we have not much possibilities to go for long offroad rides! What a shame, would love to go out the whole day by just exploring the country side...

[@dbtrackz33]

This old guy talking about dropping logs on the floor is a fucking riot🤣 Keep bringing him back I like his review style and he rides well.

[@callumodonnell2181]

More of this type of content

[@mikyGTT]

Another good video gents, thank you.

[@chrizzirch]

That dude talking about his shit is hilarious!

[@leeeng478]

I saw a KTM New Zealand adventure Promo, the bikes were broke down on the side of the road wires out with multi/volt meter changing fuses. 2020 KTM 790 ADVENTURE $12,699 2021, YAMAHA TENERE 700 T7 $9,999. I am going to get a set up KLR650 mule already set up solid $3000. nuff said!

[@GarryGrowns]

Great review guys. You're fast becoming one of my KZbin faves. The 790R sounds great. What are the seat lowering offerings?

[@therealturbofanisme]

Must be something different in the European version of the 790. Mine keeps whatever ABS/TC/throttle setting last used, even after shutting it off.

[@H4RRYxj]

Cheers for the video been wanting to see you guys compare the three, great watch (=

[@GravelGuerrilla]

Yamaha 700 with suspension tuning. Heavier fork oil with progressive springs and/or preload and a heavier ring spring. You get everything you need without all the fluff, and it's CUSTOMIZED for YOU.

[@Marco-cl9pb]

Please bring that guy more often, fun lad

[@kai-uweoch1159]

Those 3000 pounds difference bought me an additional season with lots of fun on the fantastic 790R. Had Yamaha been able to deliver in March this year with zero waiting time, most likely I had bought the T7.

[@martinfisker7438]

Id like the better suspension on the KTM, but dont give a shit about the blinking lights and processor power. 72hp is plenty for me. Id like to continue riding several thousand kilometers away from home, ride some gnarly tracks and trust that the bike will take me home, even after a spill or 10.. Which would i choose? Dumb question, eh?

[@asl3151]

So KTM for you

[@Simon-pu9qg]

Great review and comparison! One little thing I'd like to point out that if you have the KTM in Rally mode (maybe you have to purchase that option on the non-R?) the settings stay even after turning off the ignition.

[@deegwar]

Thanks you two. Exactly what I wanted to know.

[@CPUspeed]

Great review and matchup. Other review of regular 790 raved about the settings remaining after turning off engine but it had the rally mode added to it.

[@thepeatbog]

🤣You guys are great...the fart/shit comment...making me miss my welsh friends lol

[@giuliobuccini208]

Great and informative review. Anyway, the riding position of the standard 790 is completely wrong, IMO. Seems like when you try to close the door while sitting on the toilette. I love the lower position, but there is something wrong in the overall geometries. The handlebar is too narrow, and should be raised up of a couple of meters as minimum. I tested the standard and returned immediately back to the owner after 5 minutes. It is a total no-go for me. The T700 should be compared with the R version indeed, but the price difference would be too huge.

[@nawiribrahim]

On my R model, the settings remain as set till you decide to change them. Even if you turn the bike completely off.

[@naioti]

I have two KTMs and love em, I will probably buy a 790, but damn, that Tenere is beautiful, they did a great job with it. If Mossy ever comes to Texas I will keep pouring whiskey if he keeps telling stories!

[@jblue1299]

Yamaha has an impeccable reputation for reliability, KTM is known for being unreliable!!!

[@Dansk55]

Exactly!! I don't want oil leaks 200 miles from a service station

[@Fekillix]

KTM is actually moving production of the 790 to China in a CFMoto joint venture, so I can't see it getting better either.

[@manuelfvdias]

Wise words

[@steppenwolf5956]

That’s it!

[@StoopidSmith323]

Fantastic comparison first one I've seen that really gives you an idea what the bikes are like and I love the banter. Subscribed.

[@backroads_gb]

🙋🏻‍♂️ 790 owner here... I’m confused that you have to reset your settings when you shut the bike off. I know this was an issue with the other bikes in their ADV line but it’s been updated for the 790. At least the one I purchased in August and have about 3700 miles on the odometer now it has always kept my last settings upon killing the ignition and re-starting the bike.

[@Infomonger]

I thought it was interesting that in the beginning of the video the KTM was hailed to be so well then as soon as you start riding it was KTM complaints about the whole time.

[@FrankFurther]

the contrast settings on your camera needs sorting

[@krazed0451]

"We took these bikes places they really shouldn't be going" - You and I have very different ideas of adventure!

[@AmeriMutt76]

Exactly

[@nickvasey915]

Don't have the fish at Mozzy's gaff. :)

[@scottcracknell7696]

The best review ever. Regardless of what you ride, this is a must watch. Love mossy

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

What a great review Lads love the banter with you guys. Just a great channel and great review of these three bikes. Been waiting for this one for a while finally an adventure bike that you can adventure on instead of most of the Starbucks GS riders I see here in Western Canada 🇨🇦!!!!!

[@ThrillaPark]

Mossy is the best part of any vid he’s a part of! Knows his stuff and makes his points very well.

[@jarno3000]

Looking forward for a 390 adv review!

[@MrTonifumi]

Awesome photography

[@kymstock1852]

For a ex -dirt biker who rode Yamahas there is no choice; the 700 is "the go". I used to own a couple of KTM 's, but I grew out of it. Then again, having ridden a Tiger 800 XCx around Oz since 2015, I would miss cruise control. Resetting the electronics after stopping isn't a huge issue if it is a matter of hitting a handlebar button. Trying that on a Tiger is a PIA. One learns to use the kill switch to avoid the need to reset. For 2K pounds you can get a lot of suspension work ( valves and springs) . Either would do as all road tourer. If I had to ride it in rough stuff the KTM with the better suspension would be my choice. It only has to save your arse once to offset the extra expense. Broken bones hurt a lot and cost a lot. Ask me how I know.

[@ericlarson63]

My opinion is that the Tenere is a much better buy and much better looking than the KTM, and I love KTM's.

[@thomas316]

Plenty of people ride adventure bikes off-road but most of those riders treasure simple, reliable, cheap, proven, easy to fix motorcycles like the Suzuki DR650 and Kawasaki KLR650. You won't find a KTM dealership in outback Australia to fix your 790. More simple = more better!

[@barryolaith]

Great discussion BUT I wish you would include service intervals and costs. There is a price to pay for getting 'race performance' out of a small engine and many KTM dual purpose bikes need expensive oil and changes at very frequent intervals, not to mention valve adjustments. I bet the Yamaha does not. And longevity is also a consideration in stressed engines. Did you mention weight, also a huge factor. In this sector, weight with battery and all fluids except fuel is what I want to know. If one bike has a 20L tank and another has a 12L tank then 'wet weight' comparisons are hardly informative. Thanks.

[@hondaslex]

That's the point. Yamaha is known for its reliability and KTM needs more service intervals. You will save a lot of money with the Yamaha and more relaxed trips. ;-)

[@stevebiron3036]

Brilliant review mates! Mossy had me spitting me kafe all over the place ! He's a KEEPER ! Rides the shyte out of those steeds as well ! Very very well done, keep up the proper vid's guys !

[@peakrider4886]

I was really looking forward to this head to head review. But I'm sorry guys, maybe I'm just feeling grumpy, but I got half way through and couldn't take any more. Al kept going on about the KTM being a naked bike (no it's an adventure bike, clear to see) and Mossy, whose motorcycle journalism I have huge respect for, obviously loves the sound of his own voice because you couldn't shut him up. Big fan of what you guys do, but this one wasn't for me.