Kurt Cobain’s Disturbing Voicemail to Victoria Clarke | One Of Kurt’s Darkest Moments

[@AF-Twice]

I got a similar voicemail in the 80s from Blockbuster video after my rental of _The Fox and the Hound_ was overdue.

[@Savior-GuitarVocalDemosCovers]

😂

[@derrickjac]

Did you melt it on the dashboard? That gets expensive.

[@annethraxoverdose]

lmfao

[@uToobeD]

Ahh, I go through this very serious hard to listen to video, intrigued to find out what the go is in the comments, and then I stumble upon this :D haha

[@roxannemoser]

Best comment!😂😂

[@theirishbandit7301]

You can definitely tell when he was at his highest point on heroin. He felt so good but was trying to be mad at the same time. Crazy.

[@raoulduke344]

He doesn't sound like he's on heroin in the video.

[@fastinbulvis2223]

Kurt was a weak man. Heroin didn't make him weak. It made him weaker than he already.

[@MikeMackie]

He doesn’t even sound that bad 😂 If somewhere to dig up old voicemails of anyone else here in the comments i gursntee they would be 100 times worse lol

[@fastinbulvis2223]

@@MikeMackieHow do you know? Unless you're talking about yourself and using the rest of us to do it.

[@fishintheocean-i4g]

@@fastinbulvis2223 pretty damn critical attitude for a hypocrite that never did heroin or any hard drugs in their lifetime. Do some hard drugs, then tell me your point of view on it. If not, stfu

[@Jashane730]

This is very creepy to listen to. You can tell kurt was in a very dark place.

[@NA-xy4py]

Absolute shame what drugs can do to someone :(

[@Jashane730]

@MartinPlath yes but it really shows here

[@Shalanaya]

He was the least narcissistic person you could ever meet, as there was next tto no ego in him, which is what made him hate himself, egoic people love themselves, they dont kill themselves. It is our narcissistic society that has killed him actually, thats the sad part.

[@butteraviation2184]

He was definitely high as hell on heroin

[@sarahtara5546]

@@Shalanaya agreed

[@silkroad1201]

I called Kurt's number and he answered. I asked if he really did that to himself, but he pretended to not know what I was talking about and said his name isn't Kurt. Crazy guy lol

[@H34rt.Sh4p3d.B0x.ৎ]

GIVE ME HIS NUMBER!

[@paulb4100]

What?

[@midinerd]

He's saying he called the number that should've been censored in this video and harassed someone in 2024.

[@jarjamz5916]

Buy a spirit box

[@arlosnarlo3545]

dude kurts dead

[@sethother8012]

The saddest thing is that had Kurt gotten well, he would have never wanted anyone to hear this tape. I think I’ve been in darker places than this in my youth. But i wouldn’t want it relived on youTube. I suppose if I were dead, nothing would make a difference. But if he were alive, I don’t think he would have wanted anyone this deep into his dark space. Everybody wants to know about Rock Stars.

[@E.C.2]

No one in 1993 were aware everything we've ever done could be exposed to the entire world on our fingertips in hand held devices. He was high as a kite like you said,out of his mind with Courtney driving him insane for days on end. Tragic ugly story,praying his murderers get arrested and convicted,he didn't deserve what happened.

[@jasongann8535]

He'd got better? He was a raging heroine addict when he killed himself who just got back from Europe because he got dopesick from heroine withdrawal. He was so far gone. Nobody understands how terrible withdrawal is off shooting up heroine unless they've been there. I couldn't imagine thousands of peoples people expecting u to perform & u have to cancel your gig because u don't have ur drugs to function

[@E.C.2]

@@jasongann8535 He'd already went through withdrawal at the rehab before coming home to Seattle.

[@JamesReynolds852]

​@@jasongann8535 *Heroin

[@kit.e6864]

@@E.C.2 i heard a few times it was courtney edging him to unalive himself

[@bendesmond6008]

Kurt: I will inflict a slow painful punishment on you and watch the life leave your eyes Dave: well now I’ve got some strong words to be had with you

[@E.C.2]

His GF was standing in front of him w her arms folded. Dave was sweating his woman,sounds like a little boy who got caught smoking weed at school.

[@ConnorFogartyVO]

Dave sounded pissed but more panicked then anything. He was quite young then

[@NotTheBot]

Yep. Definitely different writing styles. At the time.

[@SL4PSH0CK]

Dave has character, clearly shows the dichotomy of one w/ influence and not..

[@bradford_shaun_murray]

...if I got a message like this, I would of hung up the phone during the pause after 1:22.. thinking 'well that was weird, wonder what he wants to say?' And then carried on writing the book lol

[@kimmyfreak200]

the darkest he has ever sounded... drugs eat away at your best qualities and u become a shell

[@levithomas915]

Some “freaks” like even “you” or me can do drugs too and not get that dark. Even these shitty journalists can punctuate.

[@namespolicy7747]

same with a psychotic manipulative wife

[@ChristopherGray00]

can we stop blaming every concious decision and every problem that happens on drugs? i get that he's your super idol, i love nirvana too, but lets just stop making excuses like "oh, they were on drugs", opioids dont magically make you vindictive on a chronic basis, this was clearly a concious choice, let's stop with this.

[@infinidominion]

Shitty people eat away minds of others just as much

[@KristbjorgNyr]

@@ChristopherGray00 I don't recall reading that kimmy ever said Kurt was her super idol. Where was that written exactly? And you don't agree drugs eat away at your best qualities until you become a shell of your former self? Where did she blame drugs? Again, you must see magic words that aren't there.

[@Bolt24HotSounds]

These sound like my emails I sent to my boss yesterday. Gonna be a great Monday

[@Dogfoodwithhotsaucexx420xx]

lol

[@austine8488]

It's gonna be lit

[@silkroad1201]

We all have bad days

[@Suneater9]

Mafe me laugh, bro... in extreme depression hahahahha. Cheers to you

[@TerryRyan-xs7fw]

Be lucky with that!

[@doublecrestedcormorant]

“Who tapped my aunts phone” cracks me up tho.

[@lawrencetrafford232]

@@doublecrestedcormorant funny

[@11ghtning]

​@@lawrencetrafford232she actually called and left a nasty voicemail directly, so needless to say it wasn't "tapped"

[@adamsamels96]

​@I.I.I....IoI....I.I.ISo you only listen to his music and never knew how soft spoken he really was or what he really sounded like in interviews that's his real voice

[@adamsamels96]

@I.I.I....IoI....I.I.I 🤣🤣🤣 dude you clearly don't know Kurt Cobain voice at all

[@sampleoffers1978]

Those notes included from Teen spirit will always sound like "Hirsh-berg" to me now

[@MrReaperofDead]

What's interesting is how David's voice recording actually sounds like a normal human leaving a message, while Kurt's messages are clearly him under the influence. It's a pretty strange juxtaposition that you can tell the difference night and day. I never heard these recordings before a day in my life till now

[@a.j.fisher]

Very good point.

[@luvtv7433]

You can tell Dave was really scared that the girl might publicly say that he was also sleeping with her, but Kurt did sound scary addicted.

[@kellyj817]

Kurt sounded like a legit demon. Very eerie and unsettling

[@utdkidswifeITO]

Even when he's threatening he doesn't really sound threatening to me (Kurt).

[@LdF76]

What are you psychic? He doesn't sound like he's under the influence of anything to me. Sounds like he's pissed and at the end of his rope and hurt. Why don't you learn to have some compassion instead of instantly judging other people. Look inward at yourself and your own insecurities and what would make you want to belittle somebody who's dead. People like the person who's going to write this book helped kill him. Have some compassion man. Find God find Jesus

[@garysiddons2157]

I read he left a message didn’t know he left this many. Didn’t know Dave left a message either.

[@Brooke-de6df]

Same

[@acmemasteri]

Dave's message was a new thing for me too.

[@meiphukingdiqq]

So then what's the real story and context? Sounds to me like she fucked and lied her way through the band and then pulled some backstabbing shenanigans.

[@Bea-zt1pg]

​@@meiphukingdiqq She was going to write a biography of the band, and they knew it. But she started interviewing people in Kurt and Courtney's circle, including Lynn Hirschberg, and they didn't like it, because they used drugs during Frances' pregnancy and after she was born.

[@DrAnderson1]

@@Bea-zt1pg- Typical Courtney Love….cares more about people finding out she did drugs throughout her pregnancy, than what doing drugs throughout her pregnancy could have done to Frances Bean.

[@xvaderxkiller5190]

He knew he was going to die. He didn’t care. Doesn’t matter who did it he knew he was going to die not just in general as all people expect but he knew he’d die young. Knowing that makes you not care about anything I couldn’t imagine how he felt those last moments.

[@uncooldispatch5438]

Also he signed a deal that includes having to offer a sacrifice

[@xvaderxkiller5190]

@@uncooldispatch5438 yeah ok schizo

[@cb-tz8og]

@@uncooldispatch5438. welcome to the 27 club!

[@itookthename]

Prove it​@@uncooldispatch5438

[@notsosmileyface]

What ?

[@Justanotherdoot]

The difference between Dave and kurts is hilarious

[@JAMESGANG-f5u]

The difference between H and no H ??

[@Dekoherence-ii8pw]

@@JAMESGANG-f5u Dave = Paul, Kurt = John

[@garysimonson1135]

Yeah, Kurt was a brilliant, generational songwriter, while Dave...is not.

[@tharsis4340]

Dave is a functional decent human being. Kurt was a emotionally erratic druggie who killed himself. He was a great artist, but if you're looking for someone to idolize, don't look at Kurt.

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

And he came from a privileged background! Not a broken family!

[@debaser_666]

"I don't give a flying fuck if I have this recorded, I'm threatening you." GREATEST COBAIN LYRIC EVER!

[@slothbearanonymous]

@MartinPlath just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you

[@pappihappi]

Looser

[@scottstambaugh8473]

A mosquito my libido eating Fritos drinking Tito's, yeah

[@harryp6997]

🤟🏼

[@burlesonpirate]

I’m a Nirvana fan and I laugh like hell at this.

[@Eraldo_Coil]

With Danny DeVito

[@elevenseven-yq4vu]

In a gadda da vido

[@AETERNA-PASSIO]

* drum fill * HEY

[@jamielovesgames]

Yeah…my mom and one of my closest friends suffered from bipolar. The cadence here definitely tracks with the illness. It’s an awful disease and don’t wish it on anyone. I’m terribly sad that Kurt is gone, but thankful that he doesn’t have to suffer anymore.

[@agirlwhol0ves_music]

bipolar is a awful disease, I think Kurt suffered from it big time and ADHD. also he suffered from the stomach issues he had.

[@Tuck3rm00r3]

​@@agirlwhol0ves_musicthe stomach issues was the reason he took up heroin so it must have been pretty bad

[@vincentvancraig]

i think, imo, he had a severe depressive chemical imblance, but *moreover* i think hes so pissed off that hes calm, people get like that, plus i think exaccerbating the situation is that he no doubt got high as shit beforehand...addicts need a buzz before they can go do anything, & this sounds like something hed been mulling over in his head for a bit, decided he was gong to do it, got high, & went for it....this voice-mail incident was described in detail in the book "heavier than heaven" & these scummy journalists were sleeping with friends of kurt's & trying to get dirt on him....hed already lost partial custody of his daughter because of the vanity fair articel in which an uninformed joe strummer of the clash (who i love byw) was one of the inside sources,...id be pissed off too, tbh....ive been sober for over 6 years & threats were never my style, but, yeah, i get the anger, the media people are just parasites....theyd already made his life hell

[@jamielovesgames]

@@vincentvancraig good insights! I didn’t know that Joe Strummer was one of the informants. 😞

[@cb-tz8og]

@@agirlwhol0ves_musicnobody says hey, maybe slamming some smack will fix my stomach thing. It’s just an excuse.

[@betaville72]

'flying fuck' not 'fine fuck'.

[@spamwagon]

Well, its voice recognition AI generating those subtitles and it doesn't yet get using context to verify the translation.

[@copbabycombo1311]

@@spamwagon "fine fuck" isn't a saying, that's all the context it needs

[@ILoveNirvana94]

@I.I.I....IoI....I.I.I why have you left this on almost every comment…..

[@Nuffsed81]

​@@copbabycombo1311which is the context or doesn't get. That was just explained to you.

[@copbabycombo1311]

@@Nuffsed81 You could be right but I think they meant actual context clues. Like if you don't understand a word that a person used, you'd look at the sentence to help form context for what that word could mean.

[@fangpili]

Victoria Clarke interviews Nirvana at Roskilde. Reflecting on the experience in 2011, she stated: The authors' initial proposal was to write an unauthorized biography, over which the subject would have no right of veto. It was not to be the standard celebrity puff of rock biographies. It was to be a serious examination of the social forces that had created Nirvana. 'Kurt was never hugely supportive,' recalled Ms Clarke. 'He was always polite, but distant.' Chris Novoselic, the bass player, gave her a long interview, and a Filofax full of people she should contact - particularly former drummers of the group, of which there are a lot. At first, everything seemed to go swimmingly. The very first agent that we approached was AP Watt, one of the oldest in the UK, and they signed us up straight away. Britt was friendly with Nirvana's publicist Anton Brooks, who put us in touch with their manager John Silva. We had dinner with John, and he liked our idea. Very soon there was a bidding war for our book. We signed contracts with Hyperion in the US, and Boxtree in Britain and pretty soon we had actual cash in our hands and we were ready to roll. I was given ‘Access All Areas’ passes for Nirvana's European tour in June 1992. It was decided that I should be the one to go on the tour, while Britt went to Seattle to research the ‘grunge’ scene there. I joined the band in Dublin, and traveled with them to Belfast, Paris and Denmark. One afternoon at Roskilde in Denmark, I was wandering around the backstage area, when I bumped into Courtney Love. We had not spoken much, but I had introduced myself earlier in the tour and she had been friendly. She had previously starred in a film with Shane and The Pogues called ‘Straight to Hell’ and had got on well with some of the band. Because we had decided to include Courtney in our book, I asked her if she would mind doing an interview with me. She said she would be happy to do one. But Kurt was not at all happy with this idea. Later that same day, I was approached by Janet Billig, the band's American publicist who told me that the band would prefer if I left the tour immediately. I was devastated. I actually broke down in tears. I simply could not understand what I had done wrong. Kurt, it was explained to me, was not happy that I had asked Courtney for an interview. That was the reason. I was not to know at the time that Courtney would appear in the September issue of Vanity Fair and that the article would quote her as saying that she had used drugs while pregnant with Frances Bean, the couple's child. And that this would lead to a whole heap of trouble. Britt and I explained to Nirvana's management that we had no choice but to continue with our book, but that as fans of the band we would prefer to maintain a good relationship with them. At this stage, there was no animosity between us. It was explained to me that while they understood this, they no longer felt comfortable having a journalist at such close quarters. And so I traveled to Seattle, to research their background. In Seattle, I stayed with Charles Peterson who was a very old friend of the band, and he took me around and introduced me to all the people who were relevant to the story. I began interviewing people about the band. Everyone that I spoke to in Seattle said pretty much the same things, and confirmed what I had already discovered. Which was that Nirvana were a really nice, friendly, genuine bunch of guys. Apart from that, people didn't have a lot to say. What most people wanted to do was talk about Courtney. And the things that they said about her were not positive. I have to confess that although I am not proud of it, I rather enjoyed the bitching because it made for a more interesting story. While I was in Seattle, Britt was basing herself in LA, and while she was there, she interviewed a man called James Moreland, who had been Courtney's previous husband. Like a lot of people, he had some negative things to say about Courtney, but they were not serious allegations. They mainly concerned her treatment of his puppies and her taste in music. At this point, none of the material that Britt and I had gathered could in any way have threatened Kurt or Courtney. Then overnight, everything changed. The September issue of Vanity Fair appeared, with Courtney on the cover and in an interview with Lyn Hirschberg, she was quoted as saying that she had used Class A drugs, while pregnant. In the state of California it is a criminal offense to knowingly take drugs while pregnant and if proven, it can result in a child being removed from the parents. There was an immediate backlash against Courtney in the US media, and while she denied the story, Lyn Hirschberg stood by it and claimed to have tapes to prove it. Intrigued, Britt interviewed Lyn Hirschberg who claimed to have been subjected to verbal abuse and harassment by Courtney, as a result of the interview. Somehow, Courtney discovered that Britt had spoken to Lyn Hirschberg, and there was an immediate backlash against us and our book. I arrived at a Nirvana show in Seattle later in the month, and was told that I had been barred from all of their gigs. Charles, the photographer with whom I had been staying withdrew his permission for us to use his photos, which had been an integral part of the book. Friends of the band who had not hesitated to tell me how much they disliked Courtney now told me that they could no longer speak to me. Then, on the night of October 22, while I was in bed with the flu, Courtney called me. I heard the phone ring, but switched it to silent. In the morning, the answer machine tape was full and there was thirty minutes of messages from both Kurt and Courtney, which is where I began this story. After I left Seattle, I wanted to call Kurt and see if the situation could be sorted out. I knew that he was furious, but I still liked him and respected him. Having discussed the matter with our agent, Britt and I were advised not to speak to Kurt and Courtney. Instead, we made a decision which further inflamed the situation. We gave the answer machine tape to Entertainment Weekly magazine and they printed the transcript in full, across two pages. The story was picked up by the LA Times, the New York Times and most of the British and Irish papers. If this book ever came out, it would already be world famous. At this point we still had not yet begun actually writing the book, and to be honest, if we had not been obligated to our publishers, I would have moved back to London and abandoned the project. It had never been my intention to write a muck-raking book. I felt totally out of my depth. (Clarke, 2011) & (White, 1993)

[@E.C.2]

Courtney Courtney Courtney is what I see in these comments. She is a living cancer and has nothing to do with Nirvana. They damn well knew she was a narcissistic psychopath trust fund brat like most American punk rockers & wanted ugly dirt for the book. She is not nor ever was a member of Nirvana. They intentionally stepped in an ant hill & wanted every ugly bit of trash possible for the book. No wonder Nirvana were pissed off! Also,they were male feminists and thought "rock n roll women" would stand by the code, "What happens on the bus stays on the bus." That is their fault for trusting women not to publish personal escapades,women live for gossip & starting trouble,it is their nature. I hope the other 2 wised up & went on to understand God's natural law. Men and women aren't "co-workers" or "peers" we are radically different from and compliment each other but,they shouldn't have allowed someone with so much access to their personal lives.

[@acmemasteri]

That film I named K & C and added here at this spring has some weird vibes going on all the time. I guess it's visible and playable (even it has some limitations... and I don't know what those are or mean) but only seven has watched it. At the same time another one with the same "⚠️" has now 5300 views. Maybe ƁƁČ̣'s weird doc just doesn't interest people. But if someone hasn't seen it... It's been made 1996 and it's quite confusing. - There's Dylan Carlson rare interview(s) and soundtrack has music by Earth, his band.

[@nzelver559]

I don't believe what this 'journalist' is saying - she did it all for the money, and while Kurt's voicemails were really dark, she brought this anger into her life by doing something extremely unethical and she should have never written a book.

[@bootyshortsband]

@@nzelver559 they didn't write a book. courtney bragged to vanity fair about doing drugs while pregnant. sending death threats to someone's answering machine is the modern equivalent of an internet threat being screenshotted and reposted.

[@nzelver559]

@@bootyshortsband Call it whatever you want as far as today's equivalent, I read the entire blurb and am seriously disgusted about how some garbage magazine needs to go ahead and disclose a drug addicted pregnant woman's intent on harming her unborn child. Unless the magazine was going to help Courtney get clean and protect the baby - there was only one reason to air that interview, which is to sell copies. I don't respect that profession at all - I've seen plenty of clips of celebrities being stalked and harassed and unfortunately the laws in places like California never did nor do they today protect celebrities and their privacy. Even though I'm not an expert on drug addiction or drugs in general, I think it's clearly a legitimate disease that should not be exploited to sell magazines. Kurt was a very talented musician who should be celebrated for his talents and thankfully Courtney Love got her life together and her daughter looks like she's a healthy woman. That's what matters - I wish them the best and respect their privacy.

[@mikepetrick4705]

Everyone in their twenties has never been more fucking serious in their life. Shame he didn't stick around long enough to not take other people (or himself) so seriously.

[@collieee2957]

Times were probably different I’m assuming he was able to brush off a lot but in this case the journalist was causing real life problems and stress

[@DayMan..]

​@@collieee2957no his drug addictions and his horrible wife did that. F both of the cowards. Why people worship kurt is byond me. He was a pos

[@bradford_shaun_murray]

I know people in their 70s who still take themselves as seriously lol, and it's sad.

[@zorantaylor3190]

Let's see you handle what was happening to him here, you prick.

[@natalie8212]

That's a point people seem to forget. Kurt was in his 20s . Often when talent seems so advanced for a person's age, "wise beyond their years" the public tends to kind of overlook that an immature person is behind it. Jim Morrison was no Saint either, we just love the music and don't want to think the people we admire so much for their talent can be so foolish and flawed in most other aspects.

[@odiumimbues]

victoria mustve had some big dirt on kurt for him to act this way.

[@tommytwo-times9053]

seems like the press was putting courtney’s drug usage while she was pregnant out there, which in california is a federal crime. the drugs corroded these people in the worst way possible

[@laertixc5]

On courtney

[@ianetheridge496]

Either way, they both sucked.

[@Ianlyons567]

Who's they? Dude is a legend. Why are you here if you don't respect him? How many years has it been. No one even comes close to this guy's talent. ​@@ianetheridge496

[@wallybingbang4350]

Shooting up heroin while pregnant Social services took the child for a while 😮

[@MarnėStorm-s2h]

How can someone sound so polite while telling someone they’re disgusting? Dave’s a gem. 😂

[@richardrofacale4557]

It's ok everyone. "He was high" and/or "Courtney made him do it". I don't mind though, threat of death should be constant. Everyone's more polite that way.

[@NotALizardPerson81]

Sarcasm?

[@richardrofacale4557]

@@NotALizardPerson81 First yes. Second... no.

[@ippoverse]

Drug addicts get infinite sympathy regardless of what they do or say

[@bimgorling2036]

Crazy how she's been the villain since the day they met (and a million times worse after his passing), and even the shitty things that he _clearly_ did must have also been her fault... 🤨🤔 I mean I'm not a fan of her (just her music), but Kurt was never a saint!

[@richardrofacale4557]

@@bimgorling2036 Villains always know how to rock!

[@sleepycrest4264]

I know this is in a sea of comments so will probably never be found, but these voicemails were after quite a few negative articles about Kurt and Courtney to put it mildly. Not saying his threats we're warranted, especially given the severity, but omitting the context is like kinda bad video makining imo

[@jackthehat1093]

I kinda pieced together the context with his own words when he threatened her with violence if anything bad came out about him or his wife. The creator did actually give us the wider context that she was commissioned to author a book about Nirvana.

[@pingoftheyear4248]

@@jackthehat1093you had to hit him with it?

[@pingoftheyear4248]

@@bootyshortsband you’re weird.

[@pingoftheyear4248]

@@bootyshortsband weirdo.

[@pingoftheyear4248]

@@bootyshortsband and your band fucking sucks

[@Headwyres]

Back then I'm downloading this under the filename "Kurt pissed off answering machine"

[@anthonybelliveau-ANYONE-2024]

It hurts hearing this, as a recovering addict and fan of Kurt; you can tell how he's progressively getting higher and higher, and in complete delirium and so out of it. It just keeps getting worse, and worse.

[@SebMenard]

Sad! He was clearly not well

[@briancannon3987]

He always wore his heart on his sleeve.

[@Bob-ik8nt]

What's funny is that if he were still alive people would he trying to cancel him over this. But since he's a famous singer and he died decades ago, we're allowed to sympathize with him

[@YouTubeIsWOKE]

It wasn't kurt

[@briancannon3987]

@@KZbinIsWOKE what. It's clearly him. What makes u say it's not him

[@cb-tz8og]

@@KZbinIsWOKEthere’s some parts that had me wondering too. I’m on the fence with this one.

[@wereallthinkingit9389]

Hey, wait...did he have a new complaint?

[@missolesoul]

Well, he was hoping for some priceless advice.

[@jturquoise]

😂

[@AndyDavidson-tg4un]

Good thing he didn't have a gun.

[@missolesoul]

@@AndyDavidson-tg4un Ouch.

[@myfamilia1994]

​Nothing on top but a bucket, and a​ mop, and an illustrative book about birds!@@AndyDavidson-tg4un

[@RrealHumdingerR]

I thought Dave's voicemail was rather nice. Even when the guy is raging mad he's nice. 😂

[@raddastronaut]

Me too.

[@ConnorFogartyVO]

He sounds like he doesn’t know what he’s supposed to do in this situation

[@Freya262]

@@ConnorFogartyVO Maybe he wasn't sure that the source of the info telling him the truth? An if they lie about you then they are lying about me too scenario. But felt the need to act on it 'just in case' or to appease said source, who may or may not have been in the vicinity at the time? Only those involved will ever know for sure.

[@ConnorFogartyVO]

@@Freya262 seem plausible

[@roddyboethius1722]

Dave is still the same nerd pretending to be an Edge Lord

[@DocterRacoon]

dude is high as fuck

[@DocterRacoon]

@MartinPlath best to speculate when you dont have a lot of info and this is coming from a place of respect, i respect Kurt as a person and a song writer and it has been quite a wile since his death and i feel after 30 years you can make jokes

[@roddyboethius1722]

Ya think? 😂🎉

[@punkrockinrobin]

@MartinPlatha drinker could walk out of a bar, slurring his words, stumbling around, and you’d still call him sober 😂

[@michaelistoma8356]

​@@punkrockinrobinwell, Kurt had Bipolar disorder

[@LarsWalker-xo2jn]

@michaelistoma8356 Your point?

[@modernSoundGear]

I came to grips that Kurt wasn't a very good person long ago.. A man with experience will say "never meet your heros", a wise man will say, 'choose better heroes'

[@Stringz]

I am almost 40 and everyone i believed in was a disappointment. Given enough time, everyone disappoints. It's because we are all human and fallible. But people and media portray these people like they're not human and some people actually buy into all of it. Especially those without the same or similar life experiences to know certain things. That said, the range and quality of people out there is so huge. There are good people out there that can be looked to, but it's super rare. And even those people can change in time. That is the world we live in.

[@bimgorling2036]

For me "Montage of heck" was the turning point. I honestly had believed him to be this person who was too good for this world, got hooked on drugs and everything escalated from there. Embarrassing 😅

[@devinmillermedia]

I met Kurt, he was like a neurotic cat. People are faceted. You can be good and you can be bad. As Luther said - we are all sinners and saints. He was one effed up artist, but still a great artist.

[@jakejiggleball]

⁠@@devinmillermediaThis is off topic but your profile picture reminds me of UFO’s “You are here” album cover.

[@Bloor005]

An old man will tell you all your heroes die. Bowie, Cobain, Cash... It leaves the fans with nothing but the myth.

[@NIRVANAmat]

Clearly high. Smacked out his head. Interesting that these exist though

[@garethclark5489]

it was revealed in the mid 90s

[@SomerandomShmuck]

"ive never been more serious in my life..."

[@HostaMahogey]

He sounded pretty articulate for someone who was "high", stop making excuses for a man who threatened to hurt a woman lol

[@NIRVANAmat]

@@HostaMahogey being high isn’t an excuse. However, being irrationally mad and threatening a person (emphasis on the “Person” part) is completely out of character for Kurt. Not that I knew the guy, but there’s enough footage and everything else that’s been leaked over the years.. you can watch him high, and him “sober”. There’s a pretty stark contrast between the two.

[@NIRVANAmat]

@@garethclark5489 wasn’t really asking, but that’s cool thanks

[@haroldnicolas4740]

Only time I was afraid of Kurt hurting someone was in that documentary when he was carrying his baby daughter, being high as f... on heroin... Trainspotting vibes...

[@VioIetRamirez]

FRR

[@mayjailerxx]

Omg?! And Courtney let him mind the baby while being high?!?

[@TommyMVSERVTI]

@@mayjailerxxwell she had him and another guy killed so that’s pretty tame in comparison

[@mayjailerxx]

@@TommyMVSERVTI Kurt killed himself. He would have died months early in Rome after his OD if Courtney had decided to let him die. Or the time he threaten suicide in their Seattle home and again, Courtney called the cops to save him. U can say a lot of things about Courtney, but not that.

[@robertbarnhart7791]

It wasn't months earlier. It was 33 days after the Rome incident (on 3/3) He was found on 4/5, 45 days after his 27th birthday. 270 days after Courtney's. 4/5 leaves 270 days in the year. Ritual=27 in gematria. You all are absolutely clueless when it comes to the reality of the world you live in. You can't talk like this to people that actually have powerful friends in Hollyweird. The man was 27 years old and using drugs to cope with how insane his life had become. You will learn of suffering and empathy someday

[@TheLockdownKidNYC]

The story of Kurt's fame while short has quite a few ups and downs. These messages detail the very peak of the animosity Kurt Cobain had developed towards tabloid press and gossip columns. Nirvana basically breaks big during the fall of 1991 and for a few weeks, they're pretty much just talk of the town. Their leader is a quiet, mysterious brooding type who starts appearing in all kinds of magazines. Then, around the beginning of the following year, rumors start to spread about Kurt Cobain nodding off in interviews and being on heroin. Like anyone else who becomes a person of interest, he goes from being a person in the music space to a person in the public space which opens up the door for the gossip columns and other tabloid press prevalent in the 1990s. Vanity Fair goes for the blood and writes this hit piece on Courtney and Kurt and their habits - like all gossip bullshit, it's _exactly_ the story they need. In response, their lives are forever changed and Kurt, already apprehensive to the media, declares the entire industry his enemy. Rising star to troubled junkie - perfect narrative for them to write about. This book was going to be essentially a culmination of all the rumors about both Kurt and Courtney and it was going to double down on all the dirt. Remember too, Kurt Cobain also renegotiated the royalties on Nevermind during this time including a retroactive deduction from Krist and Dave's cut that had already been paid out which created a very intense falling out with his bandmates. So, there was reason to believe a lot of disgruntled people would have words to print. Luckily, in a much more level headed response and noted in Danny Goldberg's book, Nirvana authorized an official book detailing their lives via _Come as You Are_ in direct response to the potential book in question Victoria Clarke was going to release. Like Danny said, _most_ of the big name rock press were actually allies during this whole ordeal including MTV, Rolling Stone, etc. So very upset with everyone, Kurt was ready to just launch an attack on every single journalist out there in the liner notes for _Incesticide_ but Danny persuaded him not to even though, Kurt had final say. Let's be honest though - all publicity is good publicity and if you don't think this whole back and forth offered no benefits to the band's potential, you're mistaken. Cooler heads prevailed and by basically taking control of their own narrative, the incentive for the gossip book diminished as well as I'm sure the legal repercussions finally sunk in should Clarke and Co. have gone through with it. During this time, Kurt began to check himself into what became periodic visits to rehab in an attempt to stay clean. During the time of _Come as You Are_ and the beginning of the In Utero tour - he was probably at this healthiest and most positive. Unfortunately, it didn't last long and by the beginning of the following year - he was back into deep addiction which eventually led to his death. Messages like this no doubt prove that off the record, this guy had a very dark side to him coupled with an ongoing addiction that...at times swallowed his life.

[@aunch3]

@thelockdownkid that’s well summarized thanks

[@nico.f.]

Yours is the only sensible comment under this video so far. Well done.

[@TheLockdownKidNYC]

@@nico.f. Too many people want to believe this guy was their best friend when really...he could be very nasty and extremely unpleasant to be around.

[@DIGITALSWOON]

@@TheLockdownKidNYCeveryone is when they’re pushed to the edge. in the end kurt didn’t hate or hurt anyone more than himself

[@Headwyres]

1:53 Like he knows that his life won't be that long

[@christyamar]

Ive heard this one.. if he only knew the truth about his wife... He was being a papa bear protecting his family. Unfortunately his wife didnt return the sentiment.

[@stuartewoldt1513]

Sounds more like he's very worried about them exposing her and that he's being threatened that he needs to stop it. Cuz he sounds very desperate

[@stephenkane2464]

@@stuartewoldt1513 kurt was definitely being threatened by courtney to do this.

[@magneto44]

or, you know, Kurt just loved his wife as the most important person in his life and was sick of others making money off trashing her

[@stephenkane2464]

@@magneto44 nah don’t think into it too much lol

[@acmemasteri]

I have had this whole set on CD-R I got 1998. There's longer message included... And it not here. But I cannot put his very personal voice messages to the net. Here (this country) spreading another one's personal content is a crime. 4m / 4y jail sentence and a massive number of €'s. To Love? Never(-mind). And it don't fit to my "moral world".

[@lrose1046]

I think ppl forget how young these guys were...a bunch of kids pissed off

[@LaurenOliviArt]

I feel like he would be horrified to know everyone can hear these… 😢

[@Gadfly333]

Then he shouldn't have done it.

[@augustvong7057]

There was no Internet back then. Should the news-channels on TV or the news-papers have published it?

[@LaurenOliviArt]

@@Gadfly333 I agree but put yourself in his shoes. you be horrified too and think dang I f**cked up while I was f**cked up!

[@runnersdialzero1244]

I STAND... HORRIFIED!!!!11111111

[@Gadfly333]

@@LaurenOliviArt Well I can't put myself in his shoes, cause I'm not dead... And also, you don't know that's what he'd be thinking... Maybe this would've have given him perception and been GOOD for him. We don't know..

[@PeterAustin666]

In October 1992 two British writers, Victoria Clarke and Britt Collins, were writing a book about Kurt. Apparently they accused Courtney for drug abuse during pregnancy. To prevent the story from getting public Kurt, Courtney, Dave and even Kurt's aunt left a series of threatening messages on Victoria Clarke's phone answering machine.

[@ncyrkls8914]

Real Ones

[@RobVanDelay_WholeFnContest]

Not really. It was Courtney who mentioned doing heroin during a Vanity Fair interview and that caused a big scandal that many people dont remember anymore

[@johannr2658]

This is some „You don’t want to see my dark side!“ type shit.

[@dereks617]

bro if kurt cobain was on the other side telling me with that voice to pick up the phone, that he'll give me the interview of my life and hes gonna snuff me i would be terrified for my life

[@DSL-33166]

she was a shady journalist infiltrating his personal life, she's not ethical in no way whatsover

[@dereks617]

@LSD-33166 yea i read about it, insane journalist

[@misguidedangel6550]

Well these messages totally paint Kurt Cobain with a much different, much darker brush then a lot of people previously seen him with

[@randymiles-j1w]

He was actually a nice, and light hearted person normally. He wasn’t this super depressed dark soul the media tried to make him out to be. This is just a man that’s over some bs.

[@michaelboyle5805]

​​@@randymiles-j1w what his lyrics were manic depressive. He hated fame but loved the money. He shouldn't be hero worship. The guy was awful. Nothing nice about him. He made made novaselic and grohl, agree that he get most of the money from their last album. And he spent his time trying to kill himself, what a nobody.

[@chrisgavin2794]

Do they? We already saw him as a dark depressed person.

[@randymiles-j1w]

@@michaelboyle5805 you’re taking to a guy that was in a grunge band in the early 90’s. I’ve seen every stitch of footage and print about nirvana, cobain and most closely involved. Your views are twisted and your opinions are your own. You can probably find some zoomer to convince.

[@guins99]

His apologist fans ignore all this, they think it’s their obligation to cover up all of his bizarre behavior and pretend he was just a tragic victim.

[@sabinne96]

"It had never been my intention to write a muck-raking book".... but then she says "Although I am not proud of it, I rather enjoyed the bitching because it made for a more interesting story" I think THAT IS the point. Kurt and Courtney were no saints and obviously Courtney dragging about drugs and Kurt threatening the journalist is despicable. But caring for Frances Bean was the least of the journalist's interest, it was all about the scandal and selling the scoop. Taking advantage of weaknesses and frailties, exposing people for the sake of selling copies is despicable as well. I can understand why Kurt was so fed up of fame and the press...

[@maxfieldstanton5411]

The guy threatening to murder someone is the victim, yeh.

[@midinerd]

​@@maxfieldstanton5411 She was just doing her job. making things as bad as possible.

[@CleoHarperReturns]

Wow. Absolutely no one's best moments here. Excellent find.

[@garethclark5489]

its been out there for years

[@aguyinhisroom]

when has courtney had a best moment?

[@CleoHarperReturns]

@@garethclark5489 You must be so much cooler than me. I didn't know about it.

[@CleoHarperReturns]

@@aguyinhisroom Very good point.

[@CleoHarperReturns]

@MartinPlath I understand what you're saying, but I never meant to imply that this was a one-off. Was he a spoiled asshole? Yes. Was he an amazing musician? Yes. Did he have a bad childhood? Yes. Does that excuse anything? Nope. Does it make him worthless? No. I also doubt that these were the "only" kind of moments the man had in his life. People are just complicated. It's what makes them worthwhile. And when someone can do something far better than I ever could, they catch my interest.

[@darrenthetuber743]

Boy the inner drama queen comes out the longer the messages go. I could imagine he's probably left messages like this pretty often, just none have survived.

[@MatthewSmith-zs2jl]

yeah probably

[@DSL-33166]

We all have bad days

[@dd-bb]

This wasn't "leaked online" lol. It's always been out there and was even included the documentary Kurt & Courtney decades ago, where they also interviewed the woman who received the messages.

[@nickscelsi2659]

I was thinking the exact same thing. I want to say this was out there back around 1998. Even though I have never heard all the messages, and wasn’t aware there were that many, I swear I remember him leaving a “journalist” a message on her answering machine in the movie Kurt & Courtney; threatening some female alluding to potentially hiring a hit man if she published a negative story about his wife.

[@nt7863]

Yes he shouldn’t have threatened her but Victoria Clarke is an awful person. She’s craved fame for years and years and will do anything to get it. In the end she married poor Shane McGowan who sadly couldn’t see her for what she was. For the last few years she’s been constantly creeping around Johnny Depp,failing to realise that it was her husband he liked and not her. The woman is vile

[@danielwendel9016]

At points it just sounds like someone impersonating him.

[@theodore89]

excellent point, it doesnt sound like him, sounds more like say ... Allan Wrench perhaps?

[@menamgamg]

Well i see no one even entertaining the idea this could be AI generated. This just happens to be leaked in 2024 at a point where technology is good enough to fake it.

[@menamgamg]

@fargranhammerheart Might be AI

[@k.c.r.5974]

​@@theodore89or Phillip Screwdriver that dude was no joke either. And dont forget Jack Hammer he was feared in Seattle.

[@joannatruscott4733]

Yes it does. A lot of doesn't sound like him.

[@davidpoetry1491]

this is genuinely disgusting to learn the amount of exploitation a human being can be subject to despite the appeal to humanity that goes ignored

[@Grasssun]

Waouh, it sounds you're talking about me and the terrifying behavior of my family with me since ever

[@bezziano57]

Just don’t do the drugs. A Legend who severely drowned when fame put two hands around his neck. It fractured his mind. Just think if Nirvana had just slipped by the net. Ended up playing for the love. Kurt would be like (although not as old) Charlie Harper. Tragic .. I was one month off seeing them live in Manchester 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Scheduled date May 1994 😢

[@aueyburroughs1143]

Things aren't always so easy to say: just don't do drugs? Tell that to all the mistreated Troops in every war that has ever been fought; when they come home, or the kids who literally get sexually abused. Whose parents or parent's friends were the culprits. LORD CHRIST JÉ-SUS PLEASE GET THOSE OF US WHO TRULY HATE THE WAY OF THE WORLD BUT: LOVE YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE WE GET TO BE WITH YOU IN HEAVEN FOREVER. AMEN ❤️ 🙏

[@bezziano57]

@@aueyburroughs1143 Yes your quite right. And I sympathise with people who use to block out. But in this case, they magnified what was quite possibly severe paranoia. Kurt had a dream, and a vision, that was eroded when he realised that actually, the end game (money/fame/artistic acknowledgement) wasn’t what he wanted. He chose to bury himself, rather than step away. And I’m not convinced there was no specialist in the world that could help his stomach issues… It seems like an excuse to get high to me.

[@cb-tz8og]

@@bezziano57it was an excuse, and he didn’t decide to burry himself. Like every other decision, Courtney made that one for him too.

[@daniellewis409]

one of my biggest curiosities about how he actually died was the fact he loved his child so much. much more than himself. makes you think

[@cb-tz8og]

@@daniellewis409 yeah, I’m not saying he was going to live a long, wonderful life happily ever after, if not for Courtney. I believe he still made a deal with the devil when he was younger. I don’t think it’s just a coincidence that she finished him off while he was 27. If she hadn’t accepted the job, someone else would have. I think his having a kid was the worst thing for his mental anguish, because he did end up loving her more than he ever thought he would have. She made him regret not wanting to grow old. Before her he just wanted to live hard, and fast, then go out in a blaze of glory, before getting stale. His daughter made him want a different life. Once the deal has been made though, there’s no going back. That messed him up deeply. That’s what ate at his guts, and kept him doing more drugs than he probably ever wanted to. Not saying I knew the guy. Not claiming to be a psych. Professional. Just saying I know what it’s like to be an addict, and have a kid come around and change things for the better. They give more reason to live.

[@fallenangelcrimson]

you can hear the disintegration of his mind and self of sense within these audiotapes… its distressing and sad…

[@briancannon3987]

Imagine going through what he's going through. Handling it better than I would

[@briancannon3987]

What makes u think his mind is disintegrated?

[@TheNeverists666]

@@briancannon3987 he is slurring and very obviously on a lot of heroin. not to mention the fact that he is making very disturbed threats.

[@darrenthetuber743]

​@@briancannon3987I think the filter got diminished but his way with words are still there, sounding more and more douchey and sarcastic as the messages go on.

[@Space_Ghost_Hunter]

Its sad because Kurt wasn't really like this, but Courtney was. She is infamous for harassing, assaulting, and threatening journalists that spoke out about her. Its pretty clear that Kurt was doing this at Courtney's behest. Pretty sure you can hear her in the background at around 2:39

[@kellymarieapplebee]

I have to say whilst I've never believed she killed him, she is such a repugnant, scurge on the earth type person, narcissistic, abusive, manipulative creep. I wouldn't be surprised if she was part of the reason he ended it, she's not exactly worth hanging around for but his poor daughter was.

[@midinerd]

Kinda sounds like a television but she could've been rambling. nice catch though

[@loud_001]

You knew the guy huh?

[@sunbaby-k2d]

this is so dumb dude. that IS him, no one made him leave these messages, this is what drugs do to your brain, and that goes for both of them. stop making him sound like a brainless toddler who didn't make his own choices, you might think you're doing him a favor but i'd rather believe if he were alive today he'd appreciate us holding him accountable, instead of saying this type of lame shit

[@k4t078]

@@loud_001 the music and taped videos speak for themselves you don't need to know the person to know that nobody is how they are on drugs how they are normally

[@sowish]

well at least he wanted to try it the legal way first.

[@QuickPlanet7453]

Kurt had to have been high while sending those messages.

[@aqualalalala]

Has he ever been sober?

[@piercehubbard4086]

High on what? Heroin doesn’t make you angry like that, in fact it makes you content with the worst circumstances which is why a lot of people give up everything to maintain their heroin addiction. Something that would make you that angry would be alcohol, cocaine or meth. In my opinion he sounds drunk.

[@Lacey1027]

Definitely was high on something probably, I don't think Kurt was this irrational sober. We all could be wrong who knows. Sad.

[@HeathenDance]

@@aqualalalala LOL.

[@dirtbag565]

​@@piercehubbard4086I do heroin and it does make me go into a "dope rage" at times.

[@Alvaroalpha9]

Why do people still idolize him so much? I love nirvana (it's been my favourite band since my teens) and admire Kurt as a musician, but morally he was an asshole. Like most of us are. I just don't think is healthy to put him on a pedestal and victimize him for every one of his decisions. According to people everytime he did something good is because of his character and saintness, but when he did something immoral is because of the drugs or some excuse.

[@ScuffedF]

Took the words right out of my mouth. The glazing for him is unreal.

[@Rebecca236]

Totally agree. He's a complete narcissist and bully. White, male, privilege at it's finest.

[@ainnochaim9450]

"Morally he was an asshole." Some of my favorite people are assholes and immoral. My least favorite people are those who act like they know what they're talking about but don't and judge others from their moral high horse. Also, Nirvana was average at best.

[@sittingonthemoon2083]

Because alot of us knows how addiction steals your soul...we have empathy

[@JacubWhite38]

Things like this aren't well known to most Nirvana fans. I'd bet that 99% of the people who idolize Kurt have never heard of these messages and how much of an asshole he was, especially towards the end of his life. Amazing musician, great fashion, but complete asshole.

[@NoctemAeternusMusic]

A lot of people just refuse to accept that maybe he just wasn’t a very nice guy. He always comes across as condescending in all of his interviews too.

[@playlist9980]

I was never part of the Saint Kurt cult, but Victoria Clarke has always been a psychopathic fame-hungry parasite.

[@dani.29]

Exactly

[@DredgenX]

Kurt was not doing well mentally, such a sad story, people were using and abusing kurt taking advantage of his life like a circus and he fucking hated it.

[@KISEwun]

Stop feeling sorry for pathetic loser grown men

[@wlcrutch]

Yup. What a victim he was! 🙄

[@dirtydan8694]

Not an excuse to threaten someones life for exposing your fucked up drug habits.

[@DredgenX]

@@dirtydan8694 no one was saying that, its obvious the guy is disturbed. he had more issues than just drug habits

[@ScuffedF]

I can enjoy the legacy that Nirvana left for us but this glazing for Kurt Cobain, even after all the evidence that he simply was a drug addicted POS for years, is something else. Myth tends to overshadow who these people actually were when they die young.

[@Blueberrythegreat]

This shows a darker side of Kurt’s psyche I’ve never seen I’ll also assume his at least partially high on H But he’s very aware of his liability for his words There’s no way these people are wire tapping him so that seems like a clue that he was being manipulated

[@Ave_Satana666]

Lmao he was trolling tbh

[@edadick1625]

Those journalists were sleeping with his friends trying to get dirt on him.

[@opaljk4835]

Haha that is the worst journalistic tactic ever

[@E.C.2]

$100 says Dave's GF was standing right in front of him with her arms folded as he left this voicemail.

[@iamcase1245]

That's pretty misogynist to say about Victoria. She got that info because she was part of the punk scene at the time and it was well known both Kurt and Courtney were addicts who routinely were removed from venues half dead.

[@haroldnicolas4740]

Did you just base your comment on what a heroin addict tells on a voicemail while being high af or is there some twisted reddit Kurt's cult channel spreading that kind of shit ?

[@E.C.2]

Misogynist - When the word "woman" is stated and not followed by praise adulation and overwhelming accolades.

[@scottblack9213]

In fairness, Victoria Mary Clarke is a mouth and wrote for U.K newspaper gossip columns in the 1990's .. even if Courtney was upset, it was his wife. He wants to keep his wife happy. Victoria Mary Clarke was a star####er who now lives in Dublin, pretends to be Irish (she's English) and owns all Shane McGowans music publishing and is the benefitiary of his estate since his death. Ring any bells?

[@fastinbulvis2223]

Between VCM and Courtney he was basically f***ed. tbh, though it's impossible not to admire him as a singer-songwriter, as a person, not so much.

[@Shalanaya]

@@fastinbulvis2223 He was a beautiful soul often compared to Jesus Christ. So yea it is his personality and inner self that millions of people resonate with. He was sent heere to liberate the world from ignorance and repression!

[@fastinbulvis2223]

@@ShalanayaCringe!

[@DOiTAGAiN84]

​You sound like a nutcase. May God have mercy on your soul.​@Shalanaya

[@Arabella868]

@@Shalanaya Powerfully stated, and sooo true! People who dont get it are already dead inside, they have no soul, pay no attention to them. They value people based on their personal morality, and not something much deeper.

[@EliPorterMahn]

Him trying to be intimidating is hilarious

[@PMswe]

If this doesnt intimidate you then you haven't had this treatment done to you. It's easy to laugh until you piss off the wrong person

[@THEDONSTR8Fightah76]

@@PMsweso true

[@kevinfox416]

Really? He blew his head off what makes u think at this point he wouldn’t have done it to her as well?

[@lrose1046]

Thought the same thing .. he was also young lol

[@deagle2yadome696]

@@kevinfox416no he didn’t

[@stephenkane2464]

2:56 Kurt ‘found out’ unfortunately.. it’s really heavy

[@profitnadeem]

Damn this was Kurt in his darkest. He wasn’t kidding with being at the “end of his ropes”… he was getting tired of it all. Still a legend and rip. Dave handled that like a boss though!!

[@nimitz1739]

The sarcasm is hilarious. But this really shows how paranoid tortured his mind was from the drugs

[@garethclark5489]

Maybe or maybe he was high and having a dark joke

[@nimitz1739]

@@garethclark5489 dark joke threatening to have somebody murdered because they badmouth your wife? That’s a little more then a dark joke. Thank God he didn’t make it into the Internet times, then he would really be pissed! Seeing how the whole world badmouth Courtney every day. Lol

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

Paranoid? Do you even know what this is about ? This woman wrote a whole article about him! Forget montage of heck! Watch soaked in bleach and Kurt and Courtney ! Learn something! She had him killed! Courtney Love is a murderer!

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

A whole article about Courtney mind you about shooting up while pregnant!

[@UnknownHumanOnline]

​@@ChristopherGray00But the Abyss called addiction tied to the depression it causes can thou'...

[@3Storms]

He was not a nice guy that he's romanticized as being. Quite the opposite he was a total A-hole. There's a reason why Love said "you didn't have to live with him. He wasn't easy to live with" to Grohl after he threw some shit-talking at her.

[@klm4446]

...but Dave literally DID live with him, though...in a shitty, dirty, tiny apartment. Granted, it was before fame and heavy heroin, but still...Dave spent as much time around him as Courtney.

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

to be fair, she's Courtney Love.

[@billchief397]

​@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 exactly.

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

Lmao you’re kidding me right? Courtney the f psycho was the A hole! And a money hungry groupie! Do some research ! Oh then again watch Soaked in Bleach and Kurt and Courtney little one

[@voidmother9187]

@@klm4446 Still not the same

[@nalo1672]

Thank you so much post this ,have a wonderful weekend ❤

[@2ndHandSmoker]

This is some very controlled anger

[@dcraexon]

It sounds like an act , my kid does this crap all the time, when he’s fuct up

[@acmemasteri]

@@dcraexon But your kids didn't "reveal their heroin use as they had a little baby. That FF-journalist wanted to be a star. At least she's remembered this way. Frances had a babysitters but almost all of they were junkies. And the rest of them left soon as Love acted so phony way. And many scared her. They really did. Here she "didn't like" the shirt that limo driver had... as they did 11/91 cancelled club gig being a 1st important band there (here) 1992. So they needed a new LIMO because pf that. 27.7.92. There was a band .. and then there was a female that acted that way she's named "one of the worst ever". Festifal has contiuned now 54 years... One "Punk"-diva named Love stays at many's mind. She was... she and tried to be bigger than the band. ...That was no1 in the world the time.

[@dcraexon]

@@acmemasteri true but millions billions have done the same in the past with the opium dens bars parties ect

[@acmemasteri]

@@dcraexon Yep. At least those last 140y'rs...

[@dcraexon]

@@acmemasteri prolly for 1000’s of years

[@spoonforleg]

When your junkie ex won't stop trying to contact you.

[@stephenkane2464]

These people were really harassing the band it’s true

[@fastinbulvis2223]

The whole thing is so High School.

[@jameymyates]

He shot himself in the face with a shotgun. I think that was his darkest moment.

[@HeathenDance]

More like the reddest.

[@Nirvana_girl2010]

Ouch.... 🥺🤕

[@olegdepapa]

yeah after he injected himself with 3x the heroin, what's her name killed him

[@thatoneperson9830]

With his voice and tone he does not sound threatening at all lmao

[@darrenstopper1806]

He doesn’t have to be tho because as he said himself he’d pay someone a few thousand dollars to snuff her out.knowing he had the means to does mean it would have to b take seriously

[@VashStarwind]

Still a Fcked thing to say, or do

[@cb-tz8og]

@@darrenstopper1806yeah, right. That guy couldn’t pull off anything. Who would he get to do it? El Duce? One of his live in nanny’s?

[@darrenstopper1806]

@@cb-tz8og 😂right I’m sure being a millionaire would open up no doors to basically anything u want but ok.I’m sure el Duce must b everyone’s go to guy

[@cb-tz8og]

@@darrenstopper1806 no doubt he had the financial resources. He didn’t seem to do very well outside of his circle. I feel like he may have lacked the spine to actually follow through with something so nefarious. To be honest though, I’ve never really looked at the situation from this angle. I’ve only looked in on his death. Not him threatening the lives of others. So I was pretty much just talking out of my ass. Sorry about that.

[@simbakissa8659]

I think a part of this is in Montage of Heck

[@trevorthepeasantgamer9752]

nah the one in montage of heck is a voicemail to pat smear

[@fastinbulvis2223]

"Montage of Heck" the worst album title in rock history.

[@lucapeto9430]

"I have A lot of fucking things to say to you"

[@bootyshortsband]

​@@fastinbulvis2223not a rock album. tape experiments from the '80s. something kids did before computers

[@HeavyMetal45]

Love Dave’s contrasting tape 😂

[@shadowstalker1515]

I feel like he was pressured into making it. Just didn’t sound natural

[@HeavyMetal45]

@@shadowstalker1515 like his gf was standing right there arms crossed lol

[@shadowstalker1515]

@@HeavyMetal45 omg! 😂

[@pamelawolf313]

Probably all of us have left messages or nowadays posts that are not representative of our best day here on Earth. He was human. I’m not shocked or surprised that any human could leave a message like this. We all have our threshold for tolerance. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@perfectoblivion254]

Yeah I agree. If Kurt would alive and made it through his low point he would probably cringe like the rest of us. I feel like there’s worse things he could’ve done imo

[@Boomblast57]

As a lover of Cobain this just makes me so sad 😢 he was clearly such a mess by the end of his life.

[@garethclark5489]

or most of it in truth

[@HeavyMetal45]

Well, no shit he killed himself lol.

[@ScuffedF]

End of his life? His whole life was a mess, bud.

[@BrianWood]

It always seemed weird that the FBI was at the crime scene and now he's mentioning his aunt's phone being tapped?

[@known_unknown284]

Few thousand dollars to have you snuffed? YEESH! That kind of sits weird from this vantage point. Sounds like this topic might have been something discussed quite a bit in his circle. Anyway, semi-reluctant rock starts are certainly not above pulling the rock star trip. "Don't you mess with me! You know who I am?!?" One could almost be forgiven, listening to the way that he obsessively focuses on sex in his insults and commentary, that the statements he made in every single interview about what a staunch feminist he was might have actually just been complete posturing. Almost.

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

Predators in nature disguise themselves as something harmless (e.g. trap door spiders, stonefish, etc) never ever trust a male feminist.

[@666chapelofblood]

@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 Never trust a feminist*

[@cattlecooker953]

Imagine the euphoria he was experiencing on the other end aha sounds like he had some of that good shit

[@sirgerbilmacintosh9101]

The title says voicemail left to Victoria Clarke but Kurt keeps saying the name "Britt." I wonder what's up with that.

[@Paris18Barbes]

Britt Collins - the woman who was co-writing the book with Victoria

[@sirgerbilmacintosh9101]

Thank you for the explanation.

[@stevekokidko6031]

looks like Britt got the shit end and was staying in Seattle to get to learn the scene around there. imagine how terrified you would be if you were in the same town as him while this was being said?

[@Uncsy]

Obv Kurt wouldn’t want this released but it shows the effects of drugs,mental illness,and Courtney L. can have on you. Kurt would be ashamed I’m sure.Still can’t believe Courtney sold his journals he’d flip tf out

[@mayjailerxx]

The amount of ppl laying totally blame at Courtney’s feet for everything that went wrong with Kurt is SO CRAZY. Those two were soulmates and inseparable for a reason, clearly Kurt had some nastiness in him too! Match made in hell.

[@almostteatime6758]

Not soulmates, karmics

[@mebeme007]

@mayjailerxx Precisely. It takes two to tango. I hardly doubt that she was holding a weapon to him and making him do what he did.

[@mayjailerxx]

@@almostteatime6758 I don’t know the term?

[@mayjailerxx]

@@mebeme007 exactly!! If anything, Nirvana fans are totally diminishing kurt’s own personhood and mental struggles by blaming Courtney for everything…

[@mebeme007]

@@mayjailerxx That's it. There are always many reasons why someone does what Kurt did. So for people to only blame Courtney, as if it was all her fault alone, like there was no-one else to blame or for no other reason, just shows how ignorant and uneducated they are.

[@michelebella677]

This recording was released back in the 90's when Clarke did an interview with Vanity Fair that helped get Frances Bean removed from Kurt and Courtney's custody. I remember hearing them back then.

[@WeaponsRemorse]

This is terrifying holy shit lol was he high? Likely

[@RealRedEnigma]

He was always high.....

[@grungeisdead8998]

@@RealRedEnigma he was only high 40-30% of the time

[@SebMenard]

One call would be, but 100 calls is not sain

[@AvecPoesie]

​@@grungeisdead8998"40-30% of the time"...that is such an odd statement.

[@melancholy1427]

kurt had bipolar disorder, might have been an episode he was having or smth

[@Mel-wn9gb]

He never got the chance to grow into an adult with perspective and maturity. He was stuck in that narccicistic, self obsessed stage of youth, which was only exacerbated by his addiction and fame. It would've been good to see him grow up and get over himself.

[@DSL-33166]

it's called creativity, what you are referring to is old age

[@Mel-wn9gb]

@LSD-33166 Being stuck in your own head is not creativity. Too bad he didn't live long enough to evolve in his creativity and outlook on life like his bandmates did.

[@michaelr.5676]

Learn who benefited from the crime. That's invariably your culprit.

[@thedevilsadvocate5210]

Dave

[@ThaDiazFam]

This man didn’t need help killing himself are you insane? He wanted to die lol

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

@@ThaDiazFamwatch soaked in Bkeach and Kurt and Courtney then come back and talk to me!

[@ThaDiazFam]

@@ishtarbabylon4869 I’ve read that it’s a BS conspiracy theory money grab full of exaggerated possibilities. The man tried killing himself before, he left rehab and bought a gun, he wasn’t going hunting with that gun lol

[@frankbonarrigo6086]

This is the shit that killed him, the opportunists. He was too sensitive for that level of fame , he doesn’t sound manic or psychotic to me, maybe high., he was over the back stabbers

[@theprogrammerrolandmc3039]

🤣🤣 If someone tells you they are gonna have you killed or kill you then they are not psychotic 🤣🤣

[@icessoup]

Pretty sure he was just trying to get under her skin, trying to say whatever so he gets a reply. Im sure you never said something stupid when you were drunk and angry in your early years 😊

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

@@theprogrammerrolandmc3039um do you have kids

[@theprogrammerrolandmc3039]

@@ishtarbabylon4869 Don't go making phone calls like Kurt you would go to jail

[@Ave_Satana666]

​@@ishtarbabylon4869sip from the golden chalice, the whore of Babylon fluids.😊

[@lorna3867]

Victoria later married musician Shane MacGowan of The Pogues with Johnny Depp as a witness. She's a widow now and manages Shane's estate.

[@FlightlessBirds11]

Oh wow! I was saddened by his passing just before Xmas last year. Anyone who knows of his antics was surprised when Kirsty MacColl died 1st. He was crazy self-destructive in his youth but made it to 65yrs. They cleverly shot around him in the 'Christmas in NY' video because he was drunk off his tits & knocked out half his teeth.

[@MagicalSkyWizard]

Johnny “where’s my business partner Anthony Fox” Depp? Sus

[@DSL-33166]

She sounds worse than courntey

[@sirmattyboy]

It's super crucial to explain the timeline when discussing these calls. Between the time of the initial interviews for this book and these phone calls, the Vanity Fair article "Strange Love" by Lynn Hirschberg had come out. That article completely screwed up Kurt and Courtney's lives beyond repair. So not only was Kurt in the throes of heroin addiction, he was desperately trying to keep everything together and viewed this book, something he wasn't 100% on board with already, as another potential character assassination that could further rip his world apart. His daughter was taken from him, Courtney was likely in just as dark a place as he was if not darker, and here he is a 25 year old drug addict, paranoid, desperate and likely feeling the pressure coming in from all sides. All people have their dark days. But I'm surprised that "fans" will listen to this, knowing at least some of the back story, and immediately jump to Lennon comparisons. Wild.

[@A2Z83]

they say buffalo bills voice was based on these recordings

[@dantealighieri799]

Judging by what Cobain had written in his journals and comparing to that what mass-[insert "bad word" here] had written in theirs, my opinion is he was quite serious. No amount of fawning and idolizing can rectify this.

[@AF-Twice]

If he was still alive, Generation Z would've tried to "cancel" him over these recordings.

[@acmemasteri]

Maybe. Maybe not. I was readed the effect and troubles the FF-thing caused to them so as I heard these (1997-1998? But there was one long one message that is not here. Weirdly. Journalist claimed that she was afraid about her life and couldn't sleep. All can say so. Still: If I'd get that kind of post(s) to my anwering machine from Kurt Cobain I'd maybe been flipped or scared too. They weren't friends, I guess.

[@VioIetRamirez]

Fr

[@ultimadum7785]

He's said absolutely nothing controversial to me and I'm Gen Z. I think the whole "Bad stuff is gonna happen to you" thing was just him trying to sound intimidating. Even Dave Grohl had issues with the interviewer lying about him.

[@fastinbulvis2223]

@@acmemasteri "readed"?

[@markrolle2527]

Git er done!

[@Dutch_van_der_linde939]

damn, Kurt is terrifying when he wants to be threatening

[@BlueBirdsProductions]

no hes not lmfao

[@asmitsharma70]

​@@BlueBirdsProductionsHe is have u seen the pictures he used to draw. It's fucked up most serial killers r like that

[@asmitsharma70]

​@@BlueBirdsProductions I'm saying he's a serial killer but depressed ppl can be pretty scary. he was still a very nice dude

[@rickkstir]

meh

[@randymiles-j1w]

Pretty standard threats imo.

[@keithmccrary325]

this isn't a voicemail, it's an answering machine message

[@bootyshortsband]

"voicemail" existed as a term since 1980

[@chelseapoet3664]

@keithmccrary325 thank you for your important contribution. You must be proud 🤣

[@jeff-9608]

" were playing quite a little game of phone tag here"

[@1kingsrule]

@3:07 he says “… I don’t give a flying fuck…” not “fine fuck.” This incident was the catalyst for the song “Rape Me.”

[@coolmydude7439]

wait how so?

[@Patriots-Inc.1776]

No it wasn’t. Kurt said in an interview that “rape me,” was not about the media raping him. He also explained that rape me was about actual rape and was sarcastic (like he often was in songs). He explains that people that rape should be raped, like a form of poetic justice

[@paranoid_android33]

I never really cared for Kurt and the whole….allure of him. As I say here listening to this shit, all I could think was “he was such a junkie”, but then I remembered that I absolutely adore Layne Staley and he was a junkie, too. I guess the difference is, Layne never blamed anyone for his problems or went around acting untouchable. Drug addiction, in any case, is a terrible and sad thing. Watching someone destroy themselves with addiction is sad.

[@feelone1094]

This is what journalists , paparazzi, “close friends” , put famous people through. Enough to make anyone lose their mind.

[@augustvong7057]

He was clearly angry. He wrote "Rape Me" about journalists way before this. Isn't that song a bit dark? All his lyrics are dark. Did we find out 30+ years later? Internet works a bit slow ...

[@Soupysocks1890]

@@augustvong7057 no he didn’t!!’nnn

[@Maureen.EccentricEclectic]

They say REST IN PEACE when someone dies FOR A REASON. It seems to evade your minds that a man who commits suicide wanted nothing more than to just rest in peace! wow LEAVE KURT COBAIN ALONE AND LET HIM REST!! IN PEACE!!! FOR ONCE!!!!! ITS BEEN 30 YEARS FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!

[@sonmi2246]

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONEEEE!!! 😭😭😭

[@Maureen.EccentricEclectic]

@somni2246 Tell Ozzy..I didnt do nothing to Britney 🤣

[@TaylorCornell09]

I don't think this is that bad? It's someone being pissed off that someone took advantage of him, & Dave was pissed too. Dave just kept his composure. Kurt was angrier & high

[@NotALizardPerson81]

He could've been charged with multiple crimes based on this. That means it's bad.

[@krisfrederick5001]

Dave Grohl knows far more about Kurt's death than we will ever know. Listen to his tone. He knew Courtney Love long before Kurt. Just like everyone around him, they kept their mouths shut. Silence speaks volumes.

[@uncooldispatch5438]

3:47 i’ll make a deal 🤝 with you 😈

[@kaylayork1891]

I know right!?!

[@texasbluegrass567]

Such a humble, sane guy.

[@airyanawaejah2323]

There's no humble and sane guy in holly wood

[@texasbluegrass567]

@@airyanawaejah2323 Seattle?

[@kryosidian5770]

you act like he wasn't high out of his mind and at the lowest time in his life

[@pimp_floyd5024]

@@texasbluegrass567wonder what you’d turn out like if you lived his exact life.

[@days23411]

@@pimp_floyd5024 he ridiculed voice coaches despite them being willing to help him with his voice problems and didn't see any doctors over his stomach problems. i highly doubt there was no doctor in the world that could help with his stomach problems it was just an excuse to do heroin