All the Disturbing Moments about Josh Duggar and Jim Bob in Jill Duggars New Book EXPLAINED

All the Disturbing Moments about Josh Duggar and Jim Bob in Jill Duggars New Book EXPLAINED
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[@marleneflanagan7137]

Jill should have sent JimBoob a bill for all the kids she raised for him and his wife.

[@taylorbug9]

Yep!

[@juliebrosseau8763]

Tha t is so true!!

[@brandicrane6614]

I believe she can sue them. I was told by my own therapist that I can still sue my parents for the childhood abuse I endured at their hands. She can very much sue her parents and completely wreck them further!

[@paulan7218]

exactly she has had atleast one baby on her hip since she was like 6 or 7

[@teijaflink2226]

Right he should be forced to pay her for all the free labour as a caretaker of his children.

[@mistyross8108]

JimBob needs to go to prison

[@HellsFurby]

I absolutely agree.

[@HellsFurby]

@@cassy420blazeI mean he did nothing to stop his children’s abuse he knew was going on, actively worked to cover it up, had people sign documents under false pretenses, and I think signed on behalf of someone that was not a minor… at the least hopefully someone sues him and all his precious money he’s worked just soooooo hard for. 😒

[@michelleallred8521]

And Michelle right along w him. There should be NO statute of limitations on protecting an abuser, esp NOT protecting the victims who were their daughters

[@alessandrajackson3768]

@@cassy420blaze the likelihood that he exposed Josh to stuff that started his sex addiction is huge. Then he covered up the sexual abuse of his own kids, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did that to stop anyone from finding out his skeletons.

[@jenna2431]

JimBob and Ruby and Jodi and Lori make me with I believed in a hot hell so they would be rotting in it.

[@heatherborle7377]

The fact that JB protects josh, pays josh, and treats him with kindness makes me think JB is doing the same things.

[@mariah96551]

I’ve always felt this way! The way he obsesses over his daughters is weird! And i feel like he hasn’t forced the oldest to get married yet bc she’s his favorite. And again, where did Josh learn all this behavior from? It all seems sketch to me.

[@TheRavenSamara]

More than likely. 😢

[@mardellahenrichs4121]

I think Kody is really creepy , who knows what secrets he’s hiding , he’s too much into what they wear , how long their hair has to be , why think it’s nasty to move your body when you dance unless you have a dirty mind , thinking that it’s a dirty thing . Bet JB wanted Josh to be there when JB made the girls go on TV saying they forgave Josh .

[@meeeka]

Like they're partners in crime; and then, JB treats Anna like she's the crim.

[@amygonzales9146]

OMG!! Yes! I've believed this since all the creepy Josh skeletons came out 👍👍😳😳 It wouldn't surprise me if Jimbob has had numerous affairs on Michelle. I'm just waiting for Jimbobs skeletons to come out 😳😳😉😉

[@audreybea4013]

It's so sad that Jim Bob would definitely disown Josh if he was gay but being a pedophile is redeemable in his mind

[@MsJenny813]

Absolutely

[@paulan7218]

thier cult is overflowing with pedophiles.

[@amygonzales9146]

Yes!! I said the same thing 👍👍👍

[@seameology]

Right? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to make this mke sense?

[@ashleighthompson2855]

josh literally had a video of a 9 month old baby being abused. And he got off to it. Jim bob must sympathize with it and should be in jail too with his loser gross son

[@littlebighead4482]

The fact Jimbob is more worried about Jill getting a nose piercing and wearing pants and how it'll look on her siblings and children than Josh literally being a pdf file and actually abusing his siblings is fucking insane

[@ZombieMannequinRobotStatue]

This comment needs about 10,000 more likes

[@thomasgeorge-gilmore950]

Everything you have said, is absolutely correct!!! I have even back when this was all going on, I would say this too!! Alongside other things that I can't repeat due to channel rules and risk unintentionally triggering people

[@cheronbryant428]

So Correct!!! They have been brainwashed into believing that if a woman is SA'd in any way- its her fault- its what she wore, or how she wore her hair, or carried herself. The young ladies couldn't t do anything to draw attention to themselves.. shoot, JimBob probably blames the girls- who were as young - for enticing Josh

[@tiffprendergast]

@@thomasgeorge-gilmore950yup

[@michelleallred8521]

What made me sick was that the kids dont play hide & seek?!?!?! When a childhood game becomes a sexual game, that is the parents problem. Plus if JimBob cant front hug his own daughters without it being sexual is disgusting JIMBOB has the issue

[@paulan7218]

I grew up in a very conservative church and I had a friend who’s father made us wear robe if we left her room as a 7 year old as to not tempt her father or 5 year old brother. I thought it was weird back then now I think it was pedophilic.

[@jenniferluckie9560]

Wouldn’t want to front hug that creep. Side hug is safer if a hug at all!!

[@susanjay7347]

Yea, punish the hiders, B/c of the seeker! (B/c Josh might do something perverse when he finds.)

[@Search4Facts]

@michelle... I gave it alota thought _ Im guessing that josh started his sexual perversions at a much younger age than 14.

[@michelleallred8521]

@@Search4Facts i absolutely agree. Heck it could be like father.... And JimBob blaming Michelle for being promiscuous & pleasuring herself as a teen is why Josh is like this?!?! What a huge joke & deflection

[@benny2446]

Providing your kids food and clothes is your responsibility as a parent the fact that he kept a running bill of all these things that are NECESSARY for a parent to provide their child and is using these things as a reason to not pay their children the money they earned from the TV show is sickening

[@TurkeyFarmerGirl]

I started paying my son at 6 , a dollar a day for chores and completing his homeschool work. He is 7 now and has more money in the bank than I do. Every once in a while I need to borrow some gas money to run him to his play dates and co op. I have to pay him back with 5$ interest. Lol I was real proud he come up with that himself.

[@meghansmith5932]

😊😊😊

[@Iron678Maiden]

It’s kind of annoying that he obviously just estimating so the amounts could be completely off

[@shelbyhuseman1220]

@@Iron678MaidenI agree so scary and he’s probably exaggerated too.

[@justagirlnamedshawn]

This blows my mind!! Charging your kids, the ones that you are to OBLIGATED to provide for! I cannot even wrap my head around it.

[@taylorbug9]

I am not a lawyer, but I am almost certain that if they had a lawyer look at the contracts Jim Bob made his kid's sign, they would find a way to get out of them. Because there is no way in hell that those are legally binding. Contracts cant say whatever the hell you want. They have to be fair to a certain degree.

[@Sljdmartinez]

I was wondering the same thing, too. Everyone knows who this family is, even if you haven't watched the show! I've never seen a single episode, but my mom was obsessed with it when it was on and used to tell me about it. Every time I hear about Jill and her sisters, I wonder if they could get a badass, famous legal attorney who could look through all of these contracts, pick every one of them apart, and destroy Jim Bob AND Josh in court! And not only make them null and void, but guarantee monetary compensation for each one of those kids! With all of this information coming out about the abuse, manipulation, and ties to an alleged cult, I don't see how these contracts could possibly be legal??

[@kristinadjurfors8280]

I think so too and I really hope they do. You can’t make legally contracts for life, I don’t think that’s legal.

[@amandamccallum6796]

I also wonder about that. Children can't sign legally binding contracts, and it can be argued they were signed under duress.

[@Camrynp2001]

⁠​⁠@@amandamccallum6796right like you can only get (a portion mind you) of the money that you helped the show make IF you sign the rest of your life away. That just doesn’t sound legal at all.

[@MonaLyssa33]

He also withheld the information about the contract preventing them from making an informed decision. That definitely seems illegal AF.

[@Spaceesquid]

It's just disgusting how Jim Bob and Michelle have treated their kids...😢

[@taylorbug9]

If there's a hell, they're certainly going to be burning in it.

[@Schmoityface]

They're sick in the head and essentially criminals.

[@Jules125]

All I have to say is I truly believe Josh learned from his father. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@alegnalavieenrose8120]

1000%

[@jjrat5pack]

It is true that SA is sometimes the perpetrator acting out what was done to them. The incident that haunts me is Josh 'fondling' (too mild of a word IMO), his five year old sister as he held her on his lap & read to her!

[@tiffprendergast]

@@jjrat5packeww

[@danihammi3333]

It kinda makes me wonder that maybe JimBob telling his kids they can’t dance or wear certain clothes bc “it’ll make other people see you in a sexual way” is because “other people” is himself. He sees his children that way and is trying to do what he can to stop those thoughts. That’s so gross. And it could explain why he’s covered for Josh. I hope all the kids can get out of that disgusting family

[@SoCalJellybean]

Oh, definitely. Josh’s behavior doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

[@meganbessenbacher7107]

Precisely!

[@memememememe1287]

I feel like it’s either he himself is an (alleged) p*do or he was VERY AWARE of what the men around him in the church were like or even what Josh was like long before what happened.

[@JustMeChrissLee]

Well look at josh

[@JustMeChrissLee]

Kids shouldn't have to pay back their parents for raising them. That's his reason for not paying her? Wow. She didn't ask to be born. He literally exploited their existence

[@taylorbug9]

That's not legal, and if she gets a lawyer, he's screwed.

[@paulan7218]

He told her she owes her life to Bill Gothard.

[@rochellej6412]

@@paulan7218 And he told her that Moo is the reason they received money because she endured allllll the births. They BOTH belong in a cell.

[@tiffprendergast]

@@rochellej6412duh

[@aedynbrooks6900]

My heart goes out to the Duggar girls and the years of oppression they lived. It's beautiful to see Jinger and Jill show their empowerment and freedom from a tyrannical father.

[@kjh6903]

The text message JB sent Jill after she posted a picture of date night with Derrick and there was a beer sitting on the table blew me away !!!!! Her response was perfect . Go Jill 🙌🏼

[@nancyepeters2958]

I listened to the audio book and i think jill is so brave to write this book . The dancing thing is crazy like if someone is looking at a little kid dancing and "thinks bad thought" thats there problem maybe focus more on the predator that is molesting your daughters under your own roof! It was a great book!

[@meganbessenbacher7107]

Yes! My kids' spirits will not be stunted by fake religious rules or predators!

[@ShannonBartkowicz]

Jill has gained so much strength, She has a husband that has her back and makes her feel Safe and protected, Im so happy She is speaking her Truth!!

[@tiffprendergast]

@@ShannonBartkowiczyup

[@brittnieparker9606]

It's sad. Jill is watching her siblings go through what she went through and that has to be heartbreaking knowing the actual truth of all of it.

[@paulan7218]

well atleast she will hopefully one day be their safe place to run when they do get out

[@hollyaliyev6503]

The worst part is they blamed the sisters, the way the cult and yes it is a cult is victim blaming, not only was Josh the golden child but he was a male, so it was the girls fault and that is disgusting.

[@taylorbug9]

It's also not legal to ask your kids for money for things you provided for them while they were minors. It's just not legal. He has no ground to stand on. And if even one of those kids gets a real lawyer, he's screwed 100's of times over. And when the IRS gets ahold of what he's done with his kids' taxes?? HOOOOO, buddy! He'll go to prison.

[@teijaflink2226]

I really think Jill should sue him back for the abuse and all the free work she was forced to do but I really doubt she will as he's her father. Imagine a child having lot more grace for their abusive father than a father for his children.

[@bobnelson9712]

From your mouth to Gods ears!

[@taylorbug9]

@@teijaflink2226 I honestly don't see it as having more grace. When someone is that atrocious and continues to act that way, and you do nothing to stop them. You're simply enabling their behavior.

[@tiffprendergast]

@@teijaflink2226yup

[@DiannelLaird]

He’s one of the worst excuses for a father that I have ever heard of and he is absolutely abusive. Great job on this video.🤗

[@ejtxcz2924]

I like that you said ONE OF right now lol *cough* Kevin, yes, you are included in that

[@meganbessenbacher7107]

I always knew Jill would speak out! She has a very supportive husband and strong spirit

[@paulan7218]

I think Jim Bob thought he could control Derrick and it makes me so happy that Derrick stood his ground and has done everything he could to protect and support his wife.

[@meganbessenbacher7107]

@paulan7218 Yes! I'm very anti- patriarchal, so I'm super suspicious of all men, but I remember seeing Derrick in those early courting episodes, and i could tell he was a great soul. 👍🏽

[@Myosotis.journaling]

The umbrella concept was so disturbing to me, he basically insinuated that he could *prevent* them from getting into a car crash or getting cancer if they were under the span of his protection (control) and once they weren’t they wouldn’t be safe. He completely built the illusion that he could protect them from things completely out of anyone’s control and he used that to manipulate and hold them all under his control. This family is terrifying the more you learn the more you wish you were naive again 😅

[@thepitpatrol]

It's actually not that at all in the true biblical sense.

[@tiffprendergast]

Duh

[@seameology]

Jill didn't humiliate her parents. They did it themselves. At some point, they WERE going to be exposed. Whether in this life or the next. They WILL face judgement. When JB and M did the ridiculous things they did with their kids, did they not think they'd grow up and some of them would see something was wrong? You might be able to get away with it if you have two kids, but the odds of nineteen? Not good.

[@Stephanie-ni6zc]

It made me so mad to read how Jill had to go through such unnecessary stress during pregnancy.

[@tiffprendergast]

Everyone does!

[@o0BlackSand0o]

Any parent that hangs how much they spent on their child over said child's head is abusive. A child doesn't ask to be born. If a parent chooses to have a child, its their responsibility to feed, house, cloth, and love them!

[@beyondallmeasure]

Hearing Jill's story reminds me so much of so many families I knew in fundamentalism. We even had older family members who still expected unquestioning obedience from my husband and I even after we had our own adult children. They considered us an extension of themselves, and we were never our own people with our own rights in their eyes. I'm so glad we got out.

[@GonkBoy66]

I am so glad you made it out. Sending you love and light. 💜

[@paulan7218]

I’m right there with you, it actually reminds me of my family. my single 46 year old sister still lives with my parents and she still gets permission from my father to take a vacation without my parents going along.

[@kristinadjurfors8280]

❤❤❤❤

[@ShannonBartkowicz]

@Paulan7218 Omg 46 and still told what to do?? She is never going to experience life or real love 😢 that is so sad...

[@BobbiGail]

There is totally a spectrum of this thought process alive and well in some conservative parenting circles. I studied it a LOT and tried to implement it but then my eyes were opened. "Blind obedience" didn't seem useful to teach kids how to THINK and I was concerned how they'd process that when they were teens and adults. My experience might have made me swing too far the other direction, bc I didnt want to be MEAN. Parenting is so confusing!!! Trying to raise kids who have confidence and kindness seems like a tricky secret.

[@JeepGirl45]

Just raising their kids under extreme religious dogma is abusive. I read Jinger’s book and it was so sad. What they were being taught was traumatic for her. She was afraid of ‘sinning’ in anyway because she was told if she sinned then the repercussions could be something devastating like her siblings getting killed in a car accident. It’s just sick.

[@thepitpatrol]

Well the most parents raise their kids today is abusive and nobody cares.

[@jas7131]

23:55 the part of the NDA where it says for the next 7 years…. Plus an unlimited amount of years according to the company sounds unconscionable. Which means it’s one sided and oppressive. This could help them get out of it. I really do hope they find a dang good lawyer to sue the company and their parents for these ungodly acts 🙏🏽

[@themurdernerd]

I think you're right about JimBob being the one who started all this. The story goes that after Michelle had Josh, she had a miscarriage. It was after that miscarriage, that JimBob basically guilted HER over it, telling her she had that miscarriage because she had used birth control. It was then that they started in on the IBLP. As much as I loathe Michelle, I do think she was manipulated while she was vulnerable.

[@debbiemckeown7626]

I think that as well. While Jim Bob was raised Christian his family are not IBLP and it gradually started to creep in after they got married and had children. First it was stop birth control after they lost their baby then it was homeschooling using ATI. He likes being in control and used that to his advantage.

[@thomasgeorge-gilmore950]

Do you know what? That wouldn't be surprising to me either, knowing what we know now. There was never any accountability with Jim Bob during the trial or on the show.

[@jjrat5pack]

JB claims that their OB told them that birth control could have caused the miscarriage, which made them choose to stop using the Pill. We have only his word that this is true, bc you know that Michelle backs JB up 💯%. It's not true & I've never heard that before, so was their doctor misinformed or did JB make up the story to justify their 'Quiverfull' beliefs? What is true is that malformed or sick fetuses can spontaneously abort, maybe that was twisted to say the birth control pill caused the baby to not form correctly.

[@tiffprendergast]

Yup

[@tiffprendergast]

@@debbiemckeown7626yup

[@CamilleXCavelle]

Jim Bob is definitely not gonna see the upper room. Subtracting life expenses from money that is owed to your daughter is on another level

[@peggynickel7971]

So, where is the tally for what Jill should be paid for the babysitting, cooking, cleaning, LAUNDRY, homeschooling that she did? I LOVE the speech in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" regarding how many miles "I carried that mail bag".

[@teijaflink2226]

She should sue him instead for working for years as the maid and nanny (or mother) for the children. The only thing he was doing in that house was having sex breeding and exploiting his children for money and free work.

[@susanjohnston8973]

Not only that but he was deducting money for raising her from money that SHE earned for him! Would anyone have watched the Jim Bob Duggar show? Absolutely not! . The kids are the reason people tuned in.

[@cakt1991]

The NDA thing clarifies something that I (and I’m sure a lot of people) wondered: why Jill has been treated so poorly for speaking up, while Jinger hasn’t. Jinger seems to toe the line, critiquing the IBLP system, while stopping short of criticizing her parents. So while both (and others, like Jessa and even Joy) have left IBLP, it seems like Jim Bob and Michelle aren’t as bothered by people leaving those teachings as it initially seemed, and even use the rules, like the pants thing selectively depending on who it is and what the situation is. It’s more about *their* image, which is just further proof of what false “Christians” they are.

[@ejtxcz2924]

It was the line "your sister asked permission, she respected us enough to care about our teachings and our feelings" when it comes to wearing pants!! A grown adult woman who has suffered, then suffered further for the sake of TV material that she was locked into, and then some more, asking parents permission to wear pants!! I don't even understand the reasoning for pants, they aren't immodest, to be honest it screams misogyny more than anything. I can't express enough hate for fundamentalist and extreme religion, I don't even like religion in general, but the more enforced it is the more uncomfortable and unpleasant feelings I experience. To feel this way as an uninvolved party just makes it worse to know it's going to feel so much worse for those who are in the middle of it all

[@Kangostone]

💯 agreed. Jinger was tiptoeing around her parents issues like crazy!Not acknowledging their roles on enforcing crazy behavior! Maybe she did sign said lifetime contracts!

[@nancyepeters2958]

The fact that jimboob claimed jill made that $ on her taxes is so messed up

[@taylorbug9]

It's also illegal, so I'm sure the IRS is gonna be asking him some questions soon.

[@nancyepeters2958]

@@taylorbug9 I really hope so and if he did that to Jill how many other kids did he do it to?

[@paulan7218]

@@taylorbug9that’s my hope

[@Iron678Maiden]

Lol Jimboob! He is a boob. I needed something to laugh at thanks.

[@jenniferluckie9560]

He can’t charge them for their whole life’s charges on a year to year tax statement. Thats illegal according to the itemized list.

[@trudat1498]

Yeah, I read/listened to the book the day it came out, as in - I did not go to sleep until I had polished off the whole thing. It was horrific and riveting, and it kicked up my ptsd from my own abusive father. It’s hard to both love someone and at the same time know that not only did they fail spectacularly at their one job of protecting and loving you unconditionally, but they also caused much of your harm.

[@Kbaby8.9]

I just went to audible and downloaded it. I plan to listen as I clean after I watch this.

[@DRUGSTOREMAKEUPDIVA]

Can't they get it thrown out because they can say it was signed under duress?

[@HellsFurby]

I Hope they seek legal counsel about that. I’m surprised (but also not bc these people are still deconstructing and that’s its own big thing to go through maybe they didn’t think to get) that no one’s sued him yet. In my opinion the older kids especially Jill and Derek should sue, but of course that’s up to them, but they deserve something for everything those two have had to go through, at least an apology, but I don’t think JB is capable of that.

[@paulan7218]

it wasn’t even duress it was deception he told her she had to sign it TO BE PAID and then he did not pay her

[@teijaflink2226]

I can't either see how what he made them do is legal.

[@teijaflink2226]

And anyway every child should have the right to talk about their past, childhood and experiences.

[@tiffprendergast]

@@teijaflink2226absolutely & adults too

[@celeste8157]

We've definitely got some personality disorders going on with Jim Bob and Josh. I'm leaning towards psychopathy because they love to hide behind religion. It's possibly narcissism too. A sociopath would never act super religious if they're not.

[@Felibar311]

Sociopaths would absolutely pretend to be religious as necessary to manipulate others. Shoot, look at most of the Mega Church pastors and Prosperity Gospel preachers.

[@cathykrueger4899]

Obsessive compulsive personality disorder

[@debbiemckeown7626]

Jim Bob and Derick met after he had lost his father and his mother was seriously ill with cancer and Derick initially looked up to him but once Derick realised how his wife had been treated he stood up for and himself and Jim Bob didn’t like that and thought Derick was going to be the model son in law. I think Jim Bob doesn’t like Derick and Jeremy because they are smarter than him and went to college, that intimidates him.

[@tiffprendergast]

Yup

[@breannawilliamson9787]

I’m a very devout Christian and there is no freedom in IBLP and this kind of “parenting”. None. It’s bondage and it’s evil! We obey what God says, not what made up rules by a man says. This poor family. I could never treat my daughter like that.

[@paulan7218]

and when we marry we are one with our spouse and on longer need our parents permission for anything.

[@thegirlwithredspecks]

28:28 that contract might be legally binding, but if a3use was happening (which it seems likely) I think it might be void. You can’t be bound to a contract that breaks the law. If one of the kids who signed were to speak out I wouldn’t be surprised if the “parents” tried legal action BUT it might cast an even bigger light on what we don’t know.

[@nicolevarnam2290]

Wow, just Wow!!!! Everytime I watch one of these videos on the Duggar family or the sister wives, I'm like there's no way that this can be worse than what you covered before..... then I watch it and get even madder! TLC knows how to pick the most messed up families with horrible dads! Thanks for the updates on these crazy stories. So glad you are spreading the truth about these horrible people doing terrible things to their children!!

[@ejtxcz2924]

I 90% agree with everything you just said, apart from the small part of me where Kody is involved... I know hes likely just incredibly good at covering his bad behaviour up, but my wife and I have rewatched the early series of sister wives, and whilst a fair amount I can totally believe it all being a lie, there are some moments that feel incredibly genuine within those first few series. At one point he appears so genuinely caring and lovable towards all four of his wives and the kids, and there was a lot of closeness there even with Robin and the other wives. If you look how long they "seemed" to be happy for, although there were definitely cracks showing, as each new series, especially in recent years has played out, the closer to what I can notice as "a snap" happened for him. TLC is a trash channel, whatever makes good tv is a green light even at the demise of the participants/stars!! The man is an arse, just gonna say. I don't believe for one second he's a wonderful, lovely, sweet guy, because he isn't. But I compare it to pouring fuel on an already roaring fire and watching it spread for views

[@seameology]

Because healthy families don't need the fame. So thats what TLC ends up with. There was another polygamous family TLC was looking at. But they declined knowing there was something criminal in their background. But JB didn't have enough sense to turn it down!

[@Kc-dq7zj]

You can't make someone sign a contract under duress. He put pressure on them by saying, "You don't get the money if you don't sign." It makes that NDA or contract void. Hopefully, they'll get lawyers and speak out.

[@michelleallred8521]

You're exactly right about Gothard never marrying or having children, but told these people how to manage theirs My ex was catholic & i found it vert weird thst to marry in the church, we had to take a test & have a man who have never married, had kjds & doesnt plan to tell us why our marriage wont work. Didnt make sense

[@BobbiGail]

There is a good point there. Premarital counseling by an unmarried priest or pastor is LAUGHABLE.

[@michelleallred8521]

@@BobbiGail glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. We ended up marrying at the Methodist church i grew up in. The priest said out problem would be financial. WOW was he wrong. My ex came out of the closet. Lmao

[@tiffprendergast]

@@BobbiGailduh

[@taisyalover14]

Also jimbob had the guts to run for congress

[@JustMeChrissLee]

He'd fit right in...😅

[@paulan7218]

that’s not guts it’s narcissism

[@themurdernerd]

He was IN state congress for a term in the late 90s. He was my representative! (of course he did NOT actually represent me).

[@tiffprendergast]

@@themurdernerdeww

[@jorazz16]

When I heard that Josh was in the room when they did the interview. My jaw hit the floor. The fact that these young ladies who where victims of Josh, had to do the interview in the first place is cruel. I forget what channel Megyn Kelly was on at the time, but they didnt see that Josh being there was wrong. They couldn't of at least say he needs to not be in here, while the interview is going on. They all know what Josh did to his sisters & let him hang like it was nothing. Laws need to catch up with the times. Reality shows are nothing new now. They need laws for the children. I don't think they should be on reality to eat just like family channels. If there's going to continue haveing reality shows, then at least give these children something. Where they're only allowed to be on camera a certain amount of time. Where they have to set aside money for the children, for when they turn 18. It sounds like the TV crew spends so much time with reality families. You can tell me that they never see anyting wrong & just over look it. I just don't know how parents bring children into the world only to use them as work horses & dont pay them. Letting their children give up their childhood. It's a shame parents are supposed to be the ones that protect their children.

[@tiffprendergast]

Brainwashed

[@LynIsALilADHD]

The ick from being totally screwed over by their dad is just completely doubled down on when you think about the fact that ultimately any money left from the show they ALL worked on went to fund Josh's defense.....pathetic.

[@julieboolie4070]

Ugh...that is just so wrong

[@susanjohnston8973]

Pathetic and infuriating!

[@charmcshane3517]

Yeah, Josh being in the room in that Megan Kelly interview was so creepy, but that was the SECOND TIME those poor girls were humiliated and mortified in public, re what Josh did to them. The first time was in THEIR CHURCH, in front of the congregation. Literally, those poor girls (and they were much younger) were FORCED to sit in the front row, while Josh was forced to recant what he had done to them. IN FRONT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT THE GIRLS WOULD SEE EVERY SUNDAY!!!! This was when Josh had to shave his head as "penance". So wherever they went and people stared and whispered, they had no idea if they were saying, " Oh that's the sister that was fingered by her brother Josh"!!!🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮😡😡😡😡😡 That something so gross/vile (yet exceedingly private) was made public by her parents is beyond despicable!😱😱😱😱

[@darlenecorcoran2892]

honestly, jim bob's not liking children dancing kind of makes me worry about what exactly he himself is looking at and why he would think it would stir up desires in men. i bet jim bob regrets ever introducing derick to jill now, lmfao

[@becz8820]

I was rewatching the first episodes and Anna’s father said he is passing authority of protection for Anna to Josh at their wedding. Strange how that didn’t pass for Jill????

[@BobbiGail]

Good point? Shouldn't Jill be under Derrick's fathers "protection" if that is the process? Hmmmm...

[@BobbiGail]

Oh! Another comment said Derick's father had passed. So this gave Jim Bob default power. Ew.

[@michelleallred8521]

To think that Josh stood there w his big old proud, disgusting a** while his sisters/victims CRYING in pain bc of HIS actions & to have ZERO humiliation or accountability makes me sick. JimBob FORCED those poor girls on that show.

[@paulan7218]

well Josh was just off camera during the Megan Kelly interview. those parents let their daughter abuser continue to abuse them emotionally for years after the sexual abuse

[@kimberlyritenour9489]

I think Magan Kelly is as much blamed for letting Joshy sit there the whole time . She have said no and rescheduled the interview or just didnt do it.

[@lillieroberts5397]

“Literally & figuratively.” Yes.

[@Jaggededge112]

I think outcries of abuse should be a nullification of that contract. To be honest. I should look into Arkansas law about that. Yeah, I’ll do that.

[@Jaggededge112]

I don’t think they can be sued for outcries of abuse, only if they are giving away intellectual property and behind the scene stuff that isn’t abusive. At least that’s what I’ve read, but I’m not a lawyer and this isn’t advice.

[@ceebee987]

It all goes so soooo much deeper with those two. A good watch is "shiny happy people".

[@katrinaDS]

For Jim Bob to be such a godly man he sure has a lot he is going to have to answer to God for.

[@andreapopielarz1463]

This is just crazy. Towards the end of this video, I was hoping maybe some lawyer out there would be able to figure out a way to legally break the contract.

[@paulcookman4846]

Grew up in Springdale ,year or two older than Josh, Pentacostal version. Went no contact and left the country. Although I still cant fathom that my parents/family had bad intentions, the mindset is so insidious and grotesque. Completely deconverted now after intense study and reflection, but this type of fundamentalism is founded solely on opportunism and predation, completely supported and encouraged by oppressors. Jills story isnt exclusive to the IBLP. Much of these teachings are so familiar to me.

[@BobbiGail]

Right. The book "Train Up A Child" made its way through conservative circles and basically had kids be slaves to their adult parents and punishment was withdrawing food and shelter (a girl in our town was left out in the cold and died). This blind obedience thing is not what the Bible says. The Bible speaks of DISCERNMENT and kindness, knowing we are loved by God.

[@tiffprendergast]

@@BobbiGailughh

[@yekaterinabelova2]

Maybe that gas station is where Josh's addiction started. He was doing "research " so he could boycott more effectively.

[@madelion24]

I would love for the lawyer side of youtube to give their input on that contract & whether or not it could actually be legally binding.

[@howgroovyisthat3160]

I think one thing we overlook is that Jimbob probably signed his grandkids away too with Counting On

[@TeddyLovesAxl]

Kyeluh went off! 🗣️👏👏👏 Yaaas! 🗣️

[@SoCalJellybean]

Girl, I’m dead. I think you’ve got a little book stuck in your post-it notes, there! 🤣💀

[@sarahashwoodsbooks]

I think what shocks me the most is him adding up what he spent over the years raising Jill. What kind of parent thinks that way???

[@tiffprendergast]

He just wants them to be obidient

[@angelajune6211]

Thank you for continually putting out videos about this!!! I know it may seem redundant to some but honestly if you don’t push and push and push out these disgusting horror stories it may not reach the amount of people it should.. I hope your taking good care of yourself because I’m sure it’s not easy to dive deep into these people and their wicked ways when you are just trying to be a happy mom. Thanks for the video! Keep on keepin on

[@marylesueur868]

She deserves 80,000 JUST for raising her siblings. This family....it's so sad.

[@karendarnall1243]

From the very first airing of their program I had an uncomfortable feeling about JimBob and Michelle. Actually, they repulsed me but I couldn’t put a finger on why. Now I know and feel badly their children were raised in the manner they were and must now learn to be themselves. Maybe not all of them will, but hopefully they will as adults. To the think JimBob has gained financially from the children is unforgivable.

[@tiffprendergast]

Absolutely

[@QueenOfKarma]

You hit every single important issue here. Fabulous job!! I also thought "Darn, they really wanted to be that ideal fam huh?" You could tell. I also very much agree there's an odd tone to the book and the family has a weird way of taking things that are innocent such as dancing and turning it into something else, more adult-like. To me, they often s2xual~ze children when it's unnecessary even in those certain situations or they go out of their way, like with the gas station thing, to put their kids in these adult-like situations that kids should never be in under the guise that they're "teaching the kids a lesson" or that they are being these moral, amazing parents. It's weird, right? I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets bothered by this. Those two points to me were the most important because it really does show the type of people they are to their core and then you can see how everything else lines up how it does...due to their odd way of thinking about children and adult-like issues...and really everything else, right? I grew up in a Catholic home that wouldn't let me watch the Simpsons because it was considered a bad show, for example. I know how it sucks to be sheltered as a child to normal things that everyone else gets to experience, with joy. It bothers me that these parents do that to their kids while simultaneously also dragging them into these weird adult-like situations over adult topics to "teach them" you know? Seems very hypocritical to me and I'm glad you've pointed that out so well here. Great review. Thank you! I never got through the book, it was too much for me personally. So you're stronger than I LOL

[@reckless7226]

What those kids need to know is that abuse doesn’t fall under NDA’s. So they can speak out if abuse continues to happen

[@SarahEarthW]

I just finished the book, it was so good. I couldn’t stop reading. So shocking

[@mel2d2]

I’ve been listening to the audiobook! It’s really wonderful to hear it in her actual voice. So proud of them both.

[@Jaggededge112]

He would never have given his property er daughters money, he doesn’t believe they are equal to men.

[@JustToSaveYou]

Thanks for going over this, I can't handle going through this kind of stuff on my own.

[@marlo9380]

Thanks for going through Jill's new book. I can't wait hear all about it!

[@carrir21]

Dude if everyone in your community is like don't even look at boobs, don't look at your sister's boobs, don't even think about your sister's boobs, guess what a teenage boy is going to think about 🙄 Ask Josh.

[@lizritchie6767]

Found your channel recently, your an amazing young lady, your parents must be so proud of you, keep up the great work that your doing ❤

[@vfrussell46]

kyeluh, thank you so much for always covering these topics. you do a great job and i always agree and absolutely love your bluntness….. but the way you say “verbatim” KILLS ME. ❤

[@reanndacli3421]

I was waiting for you to do a video on this, yay

[@francinecosta1030]

I knew that about Jana. Love you're content!

[@allikep]

You made such a good point about this family and other super religious strict families- by them teaching their children that if you dance or wear pants, or a whole slew of other things, that this will make people think dirty thoughts… this brings up an idea or a fear in a young child that would not even have normally occurred to them. It, in a way, takes away a part of their innocence. They now see the world in a corrupted way. Like you said, they now think that we are like that, when in reality, the majority of people, seeing an 8 year old dancing, would just smile and think it’s cute! We wouldn’t be staring at their bottom and thinking dirty thoughts. That, and so many other things they did were a form of mental abuse. Every one of these kids is going to have a warped point of view when viewing the world

[@tiffinydawncalifornia5622]

Love your makeup! I am loving your soft glittery eyes and that eyeliner! 😍. Thank you for the entertainment you bring to KZbin, you are my top five followings! Love what you do endlessly. 💛

[@valeriesoles2758]

Those girls need to get a good attorney. How can they get away with being silenced after being SA by their brother.

[@maggiewinnike7309]

It is never the responsibility of children to ensure that adults don't think inappropriate things about them. It is the responsibility of adults to not be a fucking creep about children. If an adult cannot do that then they need to stay away from children and go to legitimate therapy to unpack why they're having those thoughts about children. It makes me so angry that the Duggar parents put all that responsibility on their children while also allowing their son to abuse children.

[@katstrying]

About Jana working at one of the ATI/IBLP offices - I grew up in ATI and it was kind of talked about and was known among the circles, but I don’t think it was ever made known via the TLC shows.

[@paulan7218]

the tlc show did state that she was going to work for Journey to the heart not the ati office

[@PurpleMia]

Thank you Kyeluh. This is very informative and shocking! I love your necklace

[@alikat9lives]

He protects Josh because he's just like him.

[@paulan7218]

Exactly Jim Bob is a narcissist and sees Josh as an extension of himself.

[@tiffprendergast]

@@paulan7218absolutely & let him get away with sick things

[@openlybookish]

Excellent review. Just got the book last night, so excited to start reading it.

[@beautyonabarnbudget]

That's not how an NDA works. It doesn't cover abuse or illegal activities.

[@Sparkplug2286]

Hey Kyeluh!! I just saw a big uproar on another KZbinrs page for using the term “gip’d”. I didn’t know this either, but it comes from the word Gypsy. And it’s used as a derogatory insinuation that Gypsies steal from people. The other channel I saw this whole thing on had a lot of people leave and/or trying to cause trouble - so I wanted to inform you before you unknowingly said something you didn’t mean and have to deal with people causing trouble. ♥️

[@taylorbug9]

Tbf, a not small portion of the gypsy community have no thought or care for laws or others around them. Their culture is not good. The way they treat their female children is appalling. Pulling them out of school young to learn to be house wives. Yes, this is still a practice of theirs.

[@junebugx1312]

thanks for saying something !! i love her and wanted to look for other comments before saying something myself so it wasn’t overwhelming. the phrasing of “gypped” alone is a perfect example of how it can be hurtful.

[@carinataylor520]

Can't wait for the next one!

[@claireashley2009]

I read the book. There were things that I didn't know, but wasn't surprised to hear. Jill tried to come to an understanding with her parents privately. Jim Bob didn't want that. He wants total control of her siblings and their children. I'm going to add spouses to that as well. To me Ben is portrayed as someone who isn't very bright, so Jim Bob knew he could control him easily and he would fall in line. I bet he probably regrets the day he introduced Jill to Derek. The fact that he paid Josh is sickening. It wouldn't surprise me if Anna had to sign a NDA as well. Jim Bob knows he isn't thought of fondly and is making sure his kids don't talk about him and Michelle. Josh will always be the golden child no matter what he does.

[@teijaflink2226]

I'm confused over how he can have control over his grandchildren? I mean they are still children so they can't consent to him controlling them and he's not their legal guardian. The laws are totally fucked up if he can control their lives because I'm so confused that people are saying he's controlling the grandchildren, how is it possible when they can't consent to give up their freedom to speak out do whatever they want to him.

[@mazzy131]

Just bought the book, now I have to wait for it to be delivered. Excellent job Kyeluh!!

[@the-earl-of-whatever]

This cult and way of living is such an enabling environment for abusers and predators. When "courting" they have to be supervised every moment so no really candid conversations can happen, and an abuser can easily just say all the things the young woman's parents want to hear. And with how rushed they are, there's no time to get to know that person. I'm also so sad the other kids signed that contract with Jimbob and with a lifelong NDA can never speak out. 😢

[@dontworryaboutme6697]

I just found you a few weeks ago and I love your videos...🎉

[@maureenj.odonnell4438]

Thank you, Jill!

[@El-cj3dd]

Those contracts can probably b contested- sounds like theyr fraudulent- those kids need lawyers

[@MM-ng8lj]

Wow. That hits hard. About Anna especially bc I can guarantee with near certainty she was forced to sign an NDA. Everyone says all Anna needs to do is write one book and she would be set for her and her kids. But wow, you are right she more then likely signed an NDA. So she can't do anything to profit her and her babies if she decides to leave. I wonder if she could get out of it by sighting she signed under duress of some sort. Being in a cult and with a clearly abusive man, Lord only knows what that monster had Anna doing behind the scenes wise, if you catch my drift to please his disgusting ways. If she ever left and wanted to tell her story I pray she can get out of that NDA in some legal way

[@yekaterinabelova2]

I wonder if Anna could use an alias/ghost writer write her book for her. She would have to share the profits, but it would be worse it.

[@onyxfrench-king611]

That would likely still count as breaking the nda, so if it ever was hinted at to anyone involved that she wrote it, all of that money and then some would be gone in the form of legal fees for violating the contract. Worst part is, violating the contract doesn't end it. Usually you'd have to pay for each infraction individually. @@yekaterinabelova2

[@pandanotorious]

Wow! Great job! Thank you for not using foul language like others do. I appreciate you using your words. You did an excellent job. I do not follow many people, but I will follow you.

[@Aly_Luna]

I just finished the audiobook, so I am really looking fwd to hearing your take on the book! It's so wild!!!!🤯

[@bethmoore7722]

Hearing about Jim’s entitled attitude, and his demands for gratitude, I’m always reminded of the speech by Sidney Poitier’s character, to his father’s similar demand: “Because you brought me into this world. And from that day you owed me everything you could ever do for me like I will owe my son if I ever have another. But you don't own me! You can't tell me when or where I'm out of line, or try to get me to live my life according to your rules.”

[@elisa-beary]

OMG for some reason this is the first I’m hearing that Josh was in the room during the Megan Kelly interview!!! 🤯🤢 it just gets worse, even as closely as I’ve followed all this & when I think I’ve heard it all! I wish there was SOME away they could sue JimBob. He is a criminal & i rly don’t think God is gonna welcome him w/ open, loving arms.

[@cathyhackett2702]

Thanks, Kyeluh, for this video. It made me go download the book from Audible, too bad they weren't sponsoring this video today, lol.

[@ohmeowzer1]

You remind me of my niece ..she looks so much like you and she speaks her mind too .thank you so much for your honesty and I appreciate it . I am going to buy the book ❤

[@robinmitchell6986]

I am surprised Jill hasn't been diagnosed with a form of ptsd ! Walking on thin ice at all times when around a narcissistic person like JB would take a toll on the spirit. Learning about the NDA explains why Anna isn't speaking out and odds are why she hasn't filed for a divorce.