Kykar vs Vega vs Grand Arbiter vs Ikra/Kraum | CEDH Gameplay

[@fickett7870]

That had to be the luckiest counterbalance I have ever seen.

[@djjmandos]

Funny, when I saw it cast my first thought was "well, yet another counterbalance that is going to whiff over and over"

[@djjmandos]

As a late 90s early 2000s magic player, I was incredibly excited to see Yawgmoth's Will do Yawgmoth's Will things. I don't get to see it come up often in cEDH channels and I was happy to see how much it powered that final turn and remind me of the days in which it was one of the most powerful spells in the game.

[@fleb714]

it still is super powerful, sadly the exile clause and it costing 1 more mana and not being a permanent all basically make it worse in general than underworld breach, plus the fact that its like 100x cheaper and thats why its played so often more.

[@djjmandos]

@@fleb714 I still feel a bit like they each offer something slightly different. They both require exile in some way, but while breach has more upside as a combo enabler, Will has more upside as value generator and requires less setup to be effective. But I agree that means it occupies a smaller and perhaps less necessary slot.

[@MeganiumMiiverse]

counterbalance is the mvp for this most likely

[@thatonescarecrow4692]

Your insight dreads me.

[@Spicybreadz]

For real though - I don't think I've ever seen a Counterbalance put in that much work

[@Chizzle877]

I have Mike's playmat, the story behind it is my favorite piece of magic event lore

[@alexandercandicedad1355]

A slow start followed by an exciting game of Magic followed by a VERY exciting game of Solitaire. Great video!

[@CheeseWedge056]

Ayy, as a vega player, its great to see someone representing the bird.

[@Jaakington]

Vega is such a cool commander. I love Kaldheim legendary creatures.

[@Shmegg]

OttoVontrapp says this is in the top ten from the PWP gang for interaction.

[@Locustnism]

While I love other cedh content creators, yours are probably the best in terms or presentation, video quality and strategy analysis.

[@JTheGameGuy]

4:53 to my knowledge clones will copy the base card, Elking his dockside does not help prevent cloning

[@bustedheadphones]

It copies whatever the card on board is, so elking does help

[@krotash7740]

@@bustedheadphones 706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

[@bustedheadphones]

@@krotash7740 Hmmm I never knew that, thank you for correcting me. Definitely helps with my Krark/Sakashima deck

[@outtatime9836]

Come to think of it, so many cards in Cedh are 0 mana, so turning lands into counter spells is so good.

[@lilbyrdman]

Cant believe you guys dont have more subs! Love the content!

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Appreciate it!

[@derekmccoy2799]

Mike keeping that hand on the back of a ponder! Love it!

[@TheMormonatorChannel]

I can't say for sure, but that Vega list looks a lot like the Definitely Not Derevi list that was featured for a short time on the cEDH DDB Brewer's Corner with a few (2) minor changes, namely the Labman effects for a faster end. It's a pleasure to see Vega finally get some attention as a cEDH Azorious Commander that has an outlet in the command zone for something as compact as IsoRev. Thanks for featuring the list, Zack!

[@Cozy_MTG]

Ohhhhh hot dang, another cEDH vid to bless this Monday. Have a great day everyone!

[@ironwarr]

speed

[@mrmannimaker8509]

Yes Kykar again. Such a rarely seen strong commander.

[@Decavolty]

That might be the most use I've ever seen a Counterbalance get in all my years... holy shit

[@mose9629]

I absolutely loved this game, it was the first in a while where I was actually yelling at my screen and cheering when certain plays happened.

[@jayharyu927]

Archmage Emeritus deserves more love, great card

[@zanderwoods5434]

16:00 did Mike just tutor a card to the top with seal and then shuffle it away with ponder? Or did the narrator perhaps mean to saw draws instead of shuffles.

[@mistercastillo6517]

The C in cedh stands for counterbalance

[@TripsAhoy]

That was some ending!! Very nice. And wow counterbalance was nasty this game!

[@CharlotteMimic]

The entire game was held in check by Mindcensor, with Counterbalance being a flashy (and effective) distraction.

[@NordicRest]

While Mike's line was glorious, was it possible for him to just cast Thoracle, and Pact to 3 cards in library? With Counterbalance out, he'd have at least 4 devotion, meaning he still wins off the trigger.

[@kingmric]

Crim from the commander clash would love that counterbalance play

[@kingfuzzy2]

Absoposilutly

[@orsettomorbido]

Loved the plays areound the Coliseum!

[@chandlermiller3944]

Honestly though dockside creating aver 30 mana on the last turn was also a very MVC moment. Such a busted card.

[@mrgrowlmon]

I appreciate Reo already with that Flamedramon mat. Cheers.

[@bombviolinist728]

@16:00 Mike casts an imperial seal just then ponder AND SHUFFLES IT AWAY???

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Gotta get that storm count up 🥴

[@JTheGameGuy]

Missed multiple Kraum triggers at 13:20 end step

[@DarkEinherjar]

I want to play MtG... Counterbalance: "HOW ABOUT NO!?"

[@Orelusz]

Mike was amazing in there I loved it!

[@ArrekBawrrin]

That was so convoluted and awesome..... I love watching these games

[@MoshingJosh]

Nice! I hope to see Tatyova in the mix again soon!

[@AndreasRChaos]

That counterbalance the counterbalance was epic

[@themantyf1116]

Completely honest? That win felt bad. You had Yawgmoth's Will, Bolas' Citadel, a wild storm count... and it was just to get a thoracle win. It's just an amazing set-up for a stale pay-off.

[@weegeelinguini3704]

4:54 this wouldn't work. Clones entering as a copy of "elkside" would enter as non elked docksides

[@codydalton7728]

considering it makes it a 3/3 elk i think it works

[@weegeelinguini3704]

@@codydalton7728 Nope. Effects that change a creature into something else have to specifically say become a copy, otherwise their copyable values (707.2) are unchanged.

[@weegeelinguini3704]

If he had used, say True polymorph, it would have prevented anyone from copying dockside.

[@zotmaster]

@@weegeelinguini3704 I thought I was going crazy because I thought the same thing. It's like how you can use Imprisoned in the Moon on, say, a planeswalker, then use Vesuva to copy the Moon'd walker, and what you end up with is the walker.

[@weegeelinguini3704]

@@zotmaster correct

[@GabrielGarcia-ss1cp]

Yawgmoths will and mnemonic betrayal were 2nd and 3rd MVPs

[@superskaldy]

Holy shit what a game! Mike played out of his God damn mind!!!

[@tonyorazio1122]

Mike has the meme mat! Real recognize real

[@viniciusbraga5698]

All you need is deflecting swat to deal with coliseum

[@sirChrisCTTV]

I have never seen so many win conditions in one turn all at once... amazing performance

[@Samuelllllllllll]

this is probably a bad suggestion, but I've found false dawn really useful in kykar, helps fix all your mana for the turn including those you get from spirits and rituals

[@kingfuzzy2]

Celestial dawn also works as a more permanent solution.

[@0909kenneth1]

At 12:40 is the Dockside cast not illegal or am I missing something?

[@benslater9322]

finally some Vega recognition!

[@fusion9175]

11:35 where does Marc get the white mana to cast kykar?

[@MeganiumMiiverse]

I think you are right. I think they made an error.

[@marvel_imagine1713]

He has a Plateau

[@fusion9175]

@@marvel_imagine1713 maybe a miss say on the lands the used bc it said Shivan reef and fiery islet which are both red blue lands

[@SamuelKacerik]

This had been a trend for some time now. In the commentary you usually hear the player only taps one or couple of lands to cast a spell even if they tap more like in this case. There was a Plateau on the table. edit. I mean no offense but it is also a mystery to me that you are asking about the white mana especially because Plateau was the only land Marc had on the table for some time at the beginning.

[@HansHurin]

Should be the Plateau from his starting hand

[@josehaya6362]

question for REO: why do you mill yourself? thanks!

[@thesicknessx30]

Where is Mike's playmat from..? I want one...

[@gamerryu]

Why did you never play the counter balance trigger on the Sol Ring in the beginning?

[@GaucheEtVeule]

Best comeback ever!

[@Tattersail]

why does the revealed card on top of Zacks library go back face down instead of staying revealed?

[@basvopheusden]

To play around cephalid coliseum, wouldn't it have been easier for Mike to make sure he has 3 devotion (oko + oracle) and go down to 3 cards with the tainted pact?

[@ggpt9641]

That would require knowing the 3rd most bottom card to name with Pact also.

[@NMS127]

@@ggpt9641 That would be true with Demonic Consultation, but not with Tainted Pact. You just exile cards until you choose to stop and keep the last one (or hit a duplicate).

[@thisisbigbear]

I really thought Marc was gonna come back there for a second. Also, Counterbalance is super rude. Lmao

[@guillermogomez7429]

Still watching but turn 11 for Marc so good lol

[@patrickgydeaskham1530]

Omg I love Mikes playmat

[@spawnofnerds1843]

How did mark get those cards in old boarders

[@shilohartisan]

6:26 what about Counterbalance for Sol Ring?

[@milesroberts5910]

Counterbalance is a may, so Zack chose to not trigger it, I believe.

[@joshcarson2879]

I miss the storm counter, I love seeing how big it gets

[@ElyrionX]

Marc mulling away the second land and keeping Lotus Petal instead is so greedy

[@elemint2]

What did Marc do to piss off the table?

[@BetterCallKahl]

Is that a competitive persistent Petitioners deck?

[@OzDawg5116]

What was the point of Marc countering to let cyclonic rift resolve?

[@Insharai]

He was super behind, so slowing down the two other players was in his benefit. He was also behind on lands and drawing into a fetch with mindsensor would have been tragic xD

[@briantjokroadiguno4566]

he didnt really have anything on board

[@mentosmuncher]

Fuck yeh counterbalance!!! Spicy game

[@subzerokstyles]

The counterbalance still triggered from the bottom of the stack even tho it was destroyed from the blast at the top of the stack?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Correct. The ability is agnostic of the permanent it derived.

[@jfb-]

elking dockside doesn't prevent it from being cloned

[@reivax2654]

Yeah but who wants a 3/3 elk with no abilities

[@RoastedPheasant]

Oko makes it so the "dockside extortionist" object is no longer a Goblin Pirate with an ETB. Clones would enter as 3/3 elks named Dockside Extortionist.

[@jfb-]

@@RoastedPheasant That's not true. Clones apply in layer 1 and thus look at the base characteristics of an object, which doesn't include oko's effect.

[@aquablue3dsi]

Many people out here not knowing that Elking Dockside doesn't stop clone shenanigans. *Laughs in 706.2. *

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

I’m not a judge, just a guy that loves to abuse dockside -Mike

[@aquablue3dsi]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Got em

[@SubSonicEctomorph]

If you guys know. Grolnok player, I would love to see him on your channel

[@blakerobinson4198]

Most effective counter balance i have EVER seen, bahahaha.

[@Tattersail]

Also how long until Dockside gets banned from Commander?

[@zfite1458]

It's so great only ever seeing thassa wins, plz diversify. There are plenty of other fast ways to win.

[@Insharai]

Not that he couldn't vapor linvala, but doesn't she stop all treasure activation/artifact stuff?

[@superdoodle2]

Linvala only turns off activated abilities of creatures

[@kingfuzzy2]

Love me some hot arbiter action ( :

[@Bob-fe8qn]

Me when kykar rep happens 👍👍👍👍

[@TheHaSh27]

I think I speak for everyone when I say: WTF Mike

[@KingCez100]

Wow what a game is right!

[@1ntegrator]

Amazing game!

[@014TheValentino]

Nice kykar

[@keithhowerton6427]

Can thassa's oracle just be banned already?!

[@uriahatkinson2103]

Wow this was a game ..if u going to mill in my opinion go full mill? Gg everyone see u next time

[@AidanWR]

Only 7 counterbalance counters? I thought there was more

[@coldadept]

Kind of weird that Marc played that Mana Crypt. I guess Zack didn't trigger his counterbalance when Kraum was casted?

[@sergiodelatorre9127]

Seriously, is there any hope left for in person cedh videos?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Yes! We have some coming in the near future!

[@sergiodelatorre9127]

Awesome

[@salvatorestabile5547]

An epic game reduced to another thoracle win...

[@patorikku-n9r]

reo's cephalic coliseum looking thassa oracle winning without doing nothing....oke

[@matigow]

This game was hilarious

[@markbrown6740]

More pauper cedh 🙏🙏

[@alfredolubrano8594]

This comment has been countered by counterbalance

[@whitelakeart]

There was no need to play around coliseum, since his devotion was above 3, thus he could left 3+ in his library with tainted pact and than win

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Very true. Tbf, this game ended around midnight and we were all tired

[@Serouzo]

Oko-ing the Dockside won't prevent it from being cloned. Clones can still enter the battlefield as a proper Dockside.

[@OBZEDAT]

it's never just a value tainted pact... never

[@troublesuiter]

I like my flavor disks

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

Um… Oko can’t take Emeritus.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Um…yes it can 🤔

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Oh its power. I thought it was CMC

[@seanmurphy3430]

Milling your opponents with Brain Freeze only to then win with Thassa's Oracle is just rude.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Just playing around angels grace!

[@РусланДавлетханов-ч5к]

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[@jameswalterii1911]

Tired of Thoracle 😑

[@ChefBoyarBlump]

Wtf i didnt follow any of that game