Kyosho Mad Van VE FA505B Drive Cup Fitting. Wheel Shaft Set for FAZER Mk2 FZ02. Mad Van maintenance

Kyosho Mad Van VE Brushless FA505B Drive Cup Fitting. Wheel Shaft Set for FAZER Mk2 FZ02
Hi all
You may have seen in the review video that I had a problem with the dog bone popping out and slightly mangling the drive cup on my Mad Van.
Well fitting the new one was slightly more difficult than I'd imagined so I thought that it was worth doing a video to show how I did it.
It does seem to be a potential weak point of this RC and the upgrade part which is the Universal Swing Shaft set is not only expensive but also out of stock!
Hope this helps someone out.
Many thanks for watching :-)

[@ericwood2790]

I’m not sure what surprises me the most , the fact that it was a difficult fix or the fact you were able to find Kyosho parts 😂. Great video Pete

[@abruptlyblunt]

before buying the mad van ve, had i stopped and thought about it for a minute i probably would have figured out ahead of time what we've all learned after buying it, putting an over powered brushless motor and big offroad tires on the same street car chassis and drive chain that was made to run little skinny street tires on the road was going to be a problem. You an tell kyosho knew it by the way they listed all the upgrade parts we were going to break in the manual that came with the mad van. I don't bash my cars, i just run them on an dirt oval and still it sheared the teeth of the front ring gear halfway through the second pack i ran in my mad van, and so far there hasn't been a single time that the mad van hasn't shut off on thermal from over heating, i tried going to smaller pinions but with the motor mount design i could only drop it 1 tooth, for high speed track conditions the pinion needs to go down 17 or 18 tooth, that would probably help it stop tearing up wheel shaft cups and out drives. Kyosho mad van ve, $300 to buy it and another $300 or more to upgrade it from semi toy grade to hobby grade................

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. I have since sold this because basically although I enjoyed driving it, I already had various Arrma 3s trucks which are more reliable. I didn't have all the issues that you are talking about but the drive cup thing was certainly an issue and the upgrade part wasn't cheap. This wasn't half as bad as the FTX Bugsta I had although that was a lot cheaper. I did have a decent amount of fun with this but like I say I have others that can do it more reliably. Many thanks for your detailed feedback. Much appreciated 😁👍

[@RcNickster709]

Just one of those things people will have to deal with. Nice work providing some guidance. It is definitely a little more work than I would of thought as well.. :)

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hiya Nick. Yeah more tricky than any of my Tamiyas. Some of the Arrma bearings are rather difficult. Many thanks for watching my friend. I hope all is well with you 😁

[@madsrcbuggy]

Oh, man, all those times I've been annoyed of a loose fit on the bearings on an RC kit... That there is definitely the opposite problem! That balance of using enough force but not so much you won't spoil the parts... This was a nice Saturday morning watch, have a great weekend there!

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. Yeah I don't think that these will move in a hurry! I seem to remember some of the bearings on the Arrma 3s range being tricky. In fact there is one that I never worked out how to remove! Many thanks for watching, much appreciated :-)

[@oliverstoys8411]

Very informative 👍🏻

[@PeteWylieRC]

Many thanks for watching and commenting. Much appreciated 😁

[@petergoodwin2465]

That's like pressing bushes into a 67 impala control arm. That's a different setup from the usual. Thanks for showing us this mate , I've been thinking about getting one.

[@PeteWylieRC]

Oh yes full sized cars have even more challenges to contend with. I get someone else to do that! Thanks for your feedback my friend. Much appreciated :-)

[@petergoodwin2465]

@@PeteWylieRC full size cars are probably easier than this, just got to put up with the dirt and 50 years of grease then paint the things . You rc guys are all top people who help us out.

[@PeteWylieRC]

@@petergoodwin2465 I have just looked up the 67 (my birth year!) Impala and what a beast of a car it is! Looks awesome. Where is the world are you?

[@BriansRCStuff]

Excellent video!

[@PeteWylieRC]

Many thanks. It was just a bit more tricky than I expected!

[@BriansRCStuff]

@@PeteWylieRC If I get one one day I for sure will remember this video

[@redhill160]

very nice video as always and very usefull👌👍

[@PeteWylieRC]

Many thanks indeed for your great feedback 😁

[@RallyandTrail]

Good job jobbed mate 👍👊😎

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi Rob. Many thanks for watching mate :-)

[@elvishao4020]

i learned a lot . thanks

[@PeteWylieRC]

Many thanks for your feedback :-)

[@rcreviews9894]

What a strange design, metal dog bones in a plastic cup, wow and the process to get it all apart, seems like you got it figured out, good info 👍

[@PeteWylieRC]

Yes it would be good if there was an upgrade part for not too much cash. Seems to be a weak point. Many thanks for watching my friend. Hope all is well 😁

[@MarkBryanRC]

Hiya Pete! Nice instructional video, mate! Like others that have commented, I'm surprised how tight those parts were fitted. I think I would have tried a bit of WD40 to help smooth things along! Anyway, great job mate, I'm sure this will help a few folks out! Hope the weekend is going well, we are melting up here in the Midlands! Cheers! 👍😎

[@MarkBryanRC]

@@PeteWylieRC Cheers, Pete, soon to open a cold one myself! All the best, mate! 😎

[@M.A.S.Ked-Crusader]

That drive cup was mullered, nice fix 👍

[@PeteWylieRC]

Ha yeah, that is a good way to describe it! Many thanks for watching :-)

[@TR2NLG]

Thank you very much for the video, really much appreciated! I have the same problem, but with my rear diff outdrive cup. I have done a diff upgrade on both Diffs with the parts needed and filled them each with 3000 weight oil (2000-3000 as mentioned in the manual). After two Lipos today the cup failed, did nothing else like speed runs and some wheelies on very short grass. Will replace the outdrives now with the metal outdrives (FAW207). I hope that fixes the problem and I also hope the problem does not get over to the drive cups on the wheels.... Edit: Maybe I will also put 2000 weight oil in when I rebuild the Diffs with the new outdrives. Maybe the oil stresses the drive train to much, haven't tried the standard out of the box Diffs with grease inside.

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. A few people have been asking about diff oil. I must say that I haven't actually looked inside yet. I've been driving this today and it was handling great with the stock setup. I wouldn't think that thicker diff oil would cause a problem. Is it 3000cst or 3000wt oil? 3000cst isn't very thick for a diff really. I use 20,000cst in the Arrma 3s cars. Anyway, thanks for the info. Hopefully not too many problems to come with these trucks. I was really enjoying driving it today :-)

[@TR2NLG]

@@PeteWylieRC Thank you for your reply. It is Tamiya Silcone Oil, with 3000 on it. I can not tell but I think it is cst.

[@TR2NLG]

@@PeteWylieRC Did you found out what causes the round cups you did fix in your video?

[@PeteWylieRC]

@@TR2NLG Do you mean what caused the cups to get mangled? Just the drive shaft coming partly out of the cup in a bad landing. I'm wondering if putting an O ring or a circle of foam in the cup at the gearbox end would keep the dogbone drive shaft pushed firmly into the cup at the wheel end. There isn't really much play in it but I will have a look.

[@BreydonsRC]

Nice use of various tools as jigs bro. I think if I ever grab one of these I would be buying the upgraded drive shafts first thing.

[@PeteWylieRC]

Yeah they seem like a good upgrade if you can find them in stock. Many thanks for watching and your comments 😀

[@catcancrunch7260]

That’s not a easy fix for sure Pete! Thanks for your upload mate 👍🙏

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. Yeah I was expecting a 5 minute job and it turned into more like a 30 minute job! All part of this great hobby. Many thanks indeed for watching. Much appreciated 😁

[@petergoodwin2465]

@@PeteWylieRC I'm in Melbourne Australia mate , Gm sent those impalas here before Holden built big luxury cars. . Factory rh drive from Fisher body , this has a 327 I rebuilt to over 370 Hp. It's black with the tan interior like a super natural car from the series. I was a panel beater and the modern cars just don't do it for me or the wife ,it's her impala. I have old Chryslers.

[@UncleBobsRC]

Great "How To" Pete, what more can i say that others haven't? Sockets; YES, lube; YES, ....... and so on. Air Impact Hammer, maybe not.. LOL

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. Yeah I never thought of WD-40 for some reason. I think of that stuff for rusted metal rather than plastic. I'll remember next time. Anyway I got the job done so hoorah! Many thanks for your comments. I hope that all is well with you 😁

[@abruptlyblunt]

move the bottom shock mount to the outside hole, you lose a little ride height but it also keeps the dog bones from popping out of the cups.....

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. Yeah that sounds like a good idea. Many thanks for the information. Much appreciated 😁

[@rcjoe406]

Adding 30 wt oil might help keep the shocks in check better for the dog bones coming out and I do the micro crawlers now 120 in little tiny aluminum upgrades people don't even wink an eye at it my stampede has a easy 350 in upgrades by now great video

[@JF-RC]

Hi Pete, hope you’re keeping well. great video of how to change those front drive cups. Certainly have identified a design weak spot on that model. Have you contacted Kyosho? They might be generous enough to provide those upgrade UJ’s as a gesture of goodwill, especially as you’ve identified a design floor? Might be worth a try? Great tenacity with those bearings, an oversized socket could also have helped. Take care 😆😉👌

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hiya John. I don't think I would hold my breath for a freebie from Kyosho. Might be worth a try but I think they'll say it's wear and tear. Oh yes a socket spanner would have been good. Why did I think of that? Possibly because my socket set is in the other room and I was using what I had to hand. Worth remembering for next time. Anyway hope all is well with you my friend. Thanks for your comments 😁

[@robbrennanrc]

Well what a massive faff that was Pete. Give me a good old Tamiya any day lol. Great demonstration and explanation mate. 40 odd quid for CVD drives, that sounds like extorsion, I thought 12 quid for Tamiya ones were a bit pricey!

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hiya Rob. Yeah those CVD's are a little on the expensive side and out of stock anyway. I'll see how this RC goes long term. It is great to drive so I'm hoping it won't be unreliable. Many thanks for watching matey. Best wishes to you 😁

[@cw-01creations46]

Hi Pete, I bet you weren't expecting to take a hammer to your new Kyosho kit you purchased recently 🤔 It's a good job that you know what you're doing as well 👍

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hiya Pete. No I was expecting it to be more like a Tamiya where the bearings just fall out. Well I vaguely know what I'm doing 😂 Best wishes to you my friend 😁

[@cw-01creations46]

@@PeteWylieRC I hope that all the other kits that Kyosho make aren't like this one otherwise it could turn out to be rather quite expensive for each individual kit especially if the drive cups get mangled easily on full lock 👍 Wishing you a splendid weekend Sir 😎

[@PeteWylieRC]

The vintage buggy kits are 2wd so don't have the same issue. Also the rear drive is metal dog bones and cups so harder wearing. I don't mind spending some money on the universal drive shafts but they are out of stock everywhere in the whole world!

[@cw-01creations46]

@@PeteWylieRC Ahh-haa, so the Mad Van is plastic and the Javelin, Ultima and Bug are metal...hmm, interesting information but you would have thought that Kyosho would of made them in metal for such an iconic vehicle unless they were thinking of weight saving and power. Two things I must ask you is 1) how wide is the Van 2) where are the clips placed that hold the shell to the posts 🤓

[@PeteWylieRC]

@@cw-01creations46 I think that it is to make the Mad Van less expensive. Those buggy kits are nearly the same price as this but they are only 2WD and without electronics. They went all out on quality components on those kits. I would imagine that if they did an RTR version then they would be getting on for £400. I'm not exactly sure where you want the measurements. I can email you some photos?

[@ricco123tube]

Wow, what a faff. Keeping you busy though 😉

[@PeteWylieRC]

Yes indeed but it's all part of the fun. Many thanks for watching my friend 😁

[@danieldelahaye8502]

For sure useful video for the first time unassembling this. But omg this is the weirdest system I know. I wonder if a classic wheel axle would fit with bearing replacement.

[@PeteWylieRC]

Yeah it is odd for sure and I can't really see how you could easily change it. Let me know if you work something out. Thanks for your great feedback :-)

[@cscape1973]

Yes……. It’s very nice, and everything. But I will stick with my lunchie I think

[@PeteWylieRC]

Yes the tried and tested Lunchbox has a really reliable drive train. Very few problems with it. The Mad Van would beat it round a track but the Lunchbox would win on hilarity! Many thanks for your comments :-)

[@deltazero3796]

Weird axles, seen that only in Traxxas Teton...

[@PeteWylieRC]

Yes this is my first Kyosho and I guess that they do things a little differently. Many thanks for watching :-)

[@gillian9178]

Pete for future refference, where did you get these Kyosho parts from.

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. Seller kyoshospares on ebay UK :-)

[@gillian9178]

@@PeteWylieRC Thanks man.

[@R-EVLMNKY]

If there will be no upgrade for this issue, then this is a bust because it should be a lot better since it is made to bash. Overpriced hard to find parts as all kyosho are😁

[@PeteWylieRC]

Yeah this could be a problem if it keeps happening like you say. At least it will look nice on my shelf 😂 Many thanks for your comments 😁

[@K1RKYYY]

Hi Pete. I’m currently having the same issue. Did you try the universal swing shaft?

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. I haven't had the issue again since this. To be honest it's only been out a couple of times since. The swing shaft set did look good apart from the price!

[@K1RKYYY]

@@PeteWylieRC yes I seen the price also. I have bought replacement part so I can get me van up and running thanks to your video.

[@K1RKYYY]

Hi Peter. Have you had any bother since?

[@triple6rcs18]

Howdy Pete, I broke a steering link yesterday which I can't source for the madvan if you can be of any help ..cheers bro

[@PeteWylieRC]

Hi there. I just got the part number from the diagram in the manual and Googled it. I found it on eBay from seller kyoshospares which is in the UK. Good luck with finding your part.

[@triple6rcs18]

@@PeteWylieRC cheers man .. its on back order with kyosho and comes with one link in the whole arm tree ..so if I break more I keep having to buy the arm kit.. what a joke ..I though I checked the parts availability before I purchased the truck but never mind ..she be gathering dust for a while

[@mgkgmg]

1:57 for me I was able to push it out

[@PeteWylieRC]

Well done. Mine needed a bit of force! Many thanks indeed for watching 😁

[@mgkgmg]

@@PeteWylieRC No problem! many thanks for offering your help to others!

[@connorwhite2745]

Lost both dog bones before I released it had turned into a 2WD instead of 4WD, cups completely shredded on the front. Run it maybe 10-12 times, surely it should be Able to withstand its own power. Not happy kyosho

[@PeteWylieRC]

Oh yes this does seem to be a weaknesses on these and the upgrade part is rather expensive. I did sell this truck in the end because my Arrma trucks don't suffer with this problem and I just ended up using them more. My friend that I sold it too also sold it on. Many thanks for your great feedback 👍

[@jasonruetz2306]

I hated my Mad Van VE until I deleted the front axles and drive shaft. Nothing has broken since its 2WD and it's a blast.

[@PeteWylieRC]

Ah cool, so it's more like the lunchbox now. Many thanks for your great feedback 😁👍

[@jasonruetz2306]

@@PeteWylieRC Yeah I really didn't want to do that but ever since, it's pure fun and no broken parts. It was breaking every single time I drove it.