South Africa's FW De Klerk on apartheid, Mandela and Ramaphosa - BBC Africa

Two weeks ago, in an interview with the national broadcaster, SABC, South Africa's former president FW De Klerk said he was "not fully agreeing" with the presenter who asked him to confirm that apartheid, the legalised discrimination against non-white people, was a crime against humanity.
Since then, Mr De Klerk has apologised for "quibbling" over whether or not apartheid was a "crime against humanity", but the row has revealed old wounds.
BBC's Southern Africa Correspondent Nomsa Maseko speaks to the last white man to lead South Africa.
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[@clementmabunda3131]

Questions of right or wrong aside, I think De Klerk is genuine here. In my view, the role he played in dismantling Apartheid is being overly minimised. People are hurt.

[@listenup2882]

@@muffinatordlux Black people are being murdered every day. What's keeping you in South Africa. Go to Europe. It's perfect. Just give the land back before you leave.

[@muffinatordlux]

@@listenup2882 what land you idiot? i came after apartheid. . . i worked for everything. took a bond and bought a house. i will burn this house to the ground before i give it away. v0kjoup0es. corona kom vir julle... wag n bietjie...

[@riisk6146]

muffinatordlux muffinatordlux you seem rational AF you’re the type of whites that are tolerable really. Sad to hear about all that has happened to you and your loved ones. Have you tried moving to another state? I’m black and I fear places like Durban and jozi those places are in the news almost everyday. I agree with most of the things you’ve stated, I honestly fear and feel bad for the great hardworking white SAns I’ve met. Mandela’s dream is now outdated a lot of black people hate him now he fought for a peaceful end of apartheid but people misinterpreted that to revenge. Billions of rands go missing but they cant compensate farmers.The main issues is SAn people wanting revenge even tho it won’t be beneficial because the ANC are much of the problem. The ANC steals billions but let their people blame "foreigners" for almost anything there’s a lot of things they ignore.

[@solly1293]

Nonsense

[@muffinatordlux]

@@riisk6146 there arent many jobs outside the big cities. the government really neglects the rural areas... lack of water.. lack of power... the roads are wasted... but there are some nice fatcat Anc houses in the rural areas. best one i saw was on the way to ngodwana.. they have power but no sewerage... homelands.. some shacks and then in the middle of them a double story tuscan style house with 3 garages with mercs inside.. outside next to the house is a fancy 4 station longdrop... everyone in his hometown must know he did well... yet he will never invest into his own town... point of the story.. corruption has broken our economy.. our industry is wasted.. the power stations are falling apart ( seen it myself) the new power stations are over budget and have startup issues... look at the life esidameni scandal.. look how many black people died and the ways they died ( that was like last year or so) because of corruption... people died so others could profit.... but no its de klerks fault... o ya we just hit recession and the rand is tanking... we are burning down our universaties... it seems just illogical to stay anymore.. i can vouch for many whites here we are anxious and depressed.. locked inside our houses .. prisoners of our own enviroment.. cant walk down the street or go anywhere without always watching ur back.. get home.. close gate. close doors when dark. lock security.. put alarm on.. wake up at 2am to gunshots a few streets away and just be glad it wasnt u tonight.

[@defaultsettings63]

I suspect that people would view de Klerk a lot more favourably if Zuma and his friends had not screwed up South Africa the way they have. There was a palpable sense of optimism after 1994; a buoyant economy and progress in race relations that continued even after Mandela retired. Everything changed when that crook came to power in 2009; skyrocketing corruption spearheaded by the president himself. People should be mad at Zuma, not de Klerk.

What you say is sad but true. South Africa could have been a much better place today, if Zuma never existed. He nourished a corrupt and incompetent state. If he had any respect for those who gave their lives in the struggle against Apartheid, he would have acted with respect and decency within the confines of the rule of law. He is nothing more than a selfish barbarian who established an incompetent and corrupt state dependent on patronage for its own internal survival. That is his legacy, much worse than FW de Klerk..

[@mathewlawrence1306]

I appreciate this comment so much.

[@leebaker3622]

SA, is a mess it will take all the people to fix it

[@defaultsettings63]

@Mark Corfield No doubt the white-led system produced some excellent socioeconomic outcomes for those who happened to be born with the right amount of melanin. And I can understand the frustration of those who take your view. I have a question, though: what if the white leaders of old had had the foreknowledge that the blacks would be in charge one day? What kinds of policies would they have used toward the black populace? I'm talking about social policies, education, economic inclusion etc? I would venture to say you would have a far more educated population, a far more competent and experienced ruling class than currently exists in South Africa, and far less poverty. As a result, the voters would probably have no time for people like Zuma and Malema. We have already learned that the subjugation of one group by another is not a sustainable policy. So even if the whites took back control tomorrow, they would still have to deal with all these issues constructively. In short, I believe in judging leaders by their policies and actions, and how those in turn affect the lives of ordinary people. It's not as black-and-white as you seem to think.

[@rockysablue]

You have hit the nail on the head my good friend. Please.. if you live on SA go in to politics you have a lot more understanding than these crooks in power now.

[@liamduplessis7956]

I feel bad for the bloke,both sides hate him ,he just can’t win

[@dawiemeyer1630]

that happens when you are a born traitor n life

[@z881-h9n]

My friend it depends who and how you write history because remember history is always written by the victors '''the losers'''

[@katlegoramz3588]

@@dawiemeyer1630 really sad how you wanted apartheid to continue how can opression on one person be so liked and cherished by other are we as black people that disgusting to you white people

[@elephant637]

@@katlegoramz3588 Please don't lump all white people into the same category. I'm white, and I don't hate you. As far as I'm concerned your my complete equal.

[@bussieshiba2345]

I based on this comment... really feel for Mr De Clerk. A man can only try so much. Almost the same as Zuma.

[@adolfozunguene158]

You know, back off people. It’s very difficult for someone who grew up being told an X and Y to change their mind in the long run. This guy here changed along the way and abolished apartheid - that means not only did he realize it was wrong but also took action to eliminate it which is good. I can’t imagine how the real racists whites of that era opposed and criticized him for that. So, I think he should be appreciated for that. . . Another thing, you can see in his eyes and hear in his voice that he mean what he says. Everyone should be given the chance to repent and here is a great example.

[@windblownleaf6450]

Well... at that time, black people were given the vote because the white people of that time voted for it to happen. Black people had no input over whether they would get to vote or not.

[@ThreePuttBogeys88]

I reluctantly clicked on this interview expecting to hate this man. It turns out history is far more nuanced than we make it seem.

[@lethukuthulamhlongo4069]

Don't fall for it 🤞

[@fungussa]

@@lethukuthulamhlongo4069 That's hardly a rational, reasoned argument. You've merely used rhetoric to dismiss the clear, unambiguous words of a highly capable and competent former president. Here's Mandela in his own words kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYWslqSCmtJpbbM

[@victorleon1563]

@@lethukuthulamhlongo4069 don't fall for what ❓

[@jsunday6750]

@@lethukuthulamhlongo4069, oh, another wig wearing "culture" boetie.

[@gazesalso645]

What were you expecting? A guy talking about blacks not being worthy of an education beyond their station? That black people are inferior? You know the things his National Party stood for and implemented over decades. And which only ended because of the country's access to international financial markets being cut off as their ability to bust sanctions ended due to the work Terry Crawford Brown and other activists. Conscience driven? If you believe that, then find out more about the subject. The game was up. In the end all he did was hold a referendum. I suppose that wasn't nothing and hey, at least Apartheid wasn't as bad as genocide, right?

[@top-gnews8333]

Leave him alone, he's old he did what he could do and now it's upto us to make things better.

[@M3l_0N666]

Yet SA has only sunk further and further. Clearly what we are doing is not working. Of course the intelligent few who know what must be done have no say when the moronic masses vote for incompetent bigoted and corrupt politicians.

[@latiefaburger2707]

Yes u are soooo right

[@Muhammedthemaverick]

Fuck him he sold out my beautiful country to the communists

[@Muhammedthemaverick]

Not you I’m talking about fw de Klerk

[@noct221]

I hope he enjoys his time - in hell🔥

[@siphesihlelanga5783]

"Effort to end apartheid was driven by conscience and not just sanctions and arm struggle" says a man who recently made a public apology to all his victims of apartheid just weeks before his death.

[@davidmalapile3858]

Credit is due to this man.

[@bpj1805]

Yes, and? It seems natural that a man whose conscience weighed on him to end Apartheid might at some point make a public apology for his earlier support of the system.

[@srd7]

You have to understand the nuance of things. Apartheid was the norm for white South Africans at the time. He lost all his support base when he decided to end apartheid. He didn't start the system, and it was his conscience that actually ended it. You can see the visuals of people walking out of the SA parliament when he announces the end of the system. You have to give him credit.

[@thatolas]

@@srd7 NOPE! he had no choice! South Africa was ostracized and sanctioned by the world at the time: our teams, particularly rugby, couldn't play internationally w/o riots and protests in a said country. He was forced into submission.. it's like a paedophile admitting his crimes on his death bed after gaslighting you for 24years! Way too little too late ! He was saving his ass in the eyes of history.. then he calls Black ppl racist??👀😹😹😹 ridiculous!

[@mdumiseninsibande3071]

It was not conscious it was pressure

[@bernhardtherbst7679]

Traitor, this man has so much blood on his hands.

[@MrKartman68]

This is all about trying to distract voters (scapegoat) from the real problems created by the recent leaders in SA --------> their inability to create real positive change for the majority who voted them in. Mandela -----------> "If the ANC does to you what the apartheid government did to you, then you must do to the ANC what you did to the apartheid government." - July 1993. Speaking to South Africa's trade union congress

[@MrKartman68]

Reparations? Where have you been... the whole country was handed over. Whites have no political representation, less jobs, land has been given over, towns streets cities renamed.. the ruling class has taken huge amounts of public money that belonged to you, let infrastructure go to ruin, public institutions and companies bankrupted...all because of hubris and hate like your message suggests...

[@volleystar1000]

@Sam • Mandela was a godsend. He ended legal racism in my country, however I cannot stand to see my grandparents and older family get tormented for simply existing in a country they call home because they are white and get blamed for all problems in the country.

[@Rikusx_x]

@Sam • I didn’t even live when it was apartheid so how can I be blamed?

[@gyuhff]

@Sam • you are blaming him. Pretty obviously I might add.

[@Rikusx_x]

@Sam • you said that we must all pay for what white people did

[@thelaanie7132]

I was sitting in history class one day back in high school and somebody asked a question that stayed with me. They asked, did F. W de klerk actually want to end apartheid or was domestic and international pressure so much that any president in his position would have been forced to end it. Im not taking away from what he did and how he facilitated the end of apartheid, I mean, the fact the he was vice president next to Nelson Mandela says a lot in itself, but I still think about that question now and then.

[@bpj1805]

Any answer that depicts De Klerk either as a pure villain who was purely forced by circumstance into ending Apartheid, or as a pure saint who ended Apartheid purely out of conscience, is a simplistic one and therefore false.

[@joostvanrens]

All wants are forced by circumstances, so there is no difference between the statements.

[@kananipius2649]

He was right in his own right.Clever as he was,he ensured the change must come

[@oralminyi9826]

I agree 100 %. We should not have an extremist position here.

[@gregory3768]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnqop42Eq7h4rZI

[@lloydmwape7802]

This man deserves respect period!!! He didn’t start apartheid, he ended it!!

[@M3l_0N666]

And he fled the country knowing full well the shit state it was going to descend into. He knew the ANC was bad news. Look at SA now, a shithole filled with standardless dumbshits, corruption and decay.

[@versatilehousemusic2633]

Because Shit was about top pop.!!

[@epicpolitik3608]

Economically he didn't do justice for black people, he made sure to keep the economy in the hands of white people.

[@epicpolitik3608]

One could ask, why should black people celebrate De Klerk because the negotiations were an economic compromise for black people

[@M3l_0N666]

@@epicpolitik3608 well, uh, that's an easy excuse to make. When your the one who invented the economy, built a country and all its systems, it no surprise that you'd be the one to make the most of it. Plus, the current government has done next to nothing on actually moving their own people forward. Kept them in the same old mindset since forever. Didn't teach them how to also make the most of it and instead, kept it for themselves and thus they are now filthy rich with their fingers in everything. This idea that whites are supposedly on the same team, and keeping Africans out of the economy is stupid and a lazy wat to go about thinking of it all. Like how religious people are lazy to think so it's easy to say God makes it rain when we all learnt how it actually works in fken grade 3.

[@lutherburgundy4160]

Speaking of prison, shouldn't Jacob Zuma be there as well? The interviewer is very biased. And if de Klerk have blood on his hands what about Julias ?

[@lutherburgundy4160]

@OK Superman well, he's probably chilling in his 'fire pool' 😂

[@sacramentm4692]

Say no more

[@kutumbadavidsikota6320]

well you got your wish

[@ray-za1776]

What about julias ?

[@tonyjeffers2606]

This aged well for zooma

[@SSniperFly-lr7zb]

he's certainly a hell of a lot more wise and interesting than whatever we've got now.

[@sibongilenyamane9986]

That's nonsense man apartheid was crime against humanity

[@SSniperFly-lr7zb]

Sibongile Nyamane he ended apartheid

[@isaacborus2836]

Ja... lmao

[@rhumiirea6169]

You got the nerve to speak rubbish here .

[@kingabstract2695]

This murderer should be rotting in jail

[@kwezimahlungulu6835]

You did make a positive difference, and for that I forgive and respect you

[@JohnSampson]

How difficult can it be to accept all people as equals under the sun and treat them accordingly? If it took 300 years to get to 1994 it indicates that the successive white majority government had a major problem/issue with regarding all citizens of the country as equals. Had they considered all races as equal, they would have had no problem constructing a democratic dispensation for the country. The trouble was that they were not prepared to give up the privileges that came with denying the human rights of people of colour. For descendants of foreigners to claim what was not theirs in the first instance makes them thieves and murderers, because it could only be done with state supported violence and brutality. That is the simple fact of the matter. Life is simple, it is people who complicate it. White South Africa went to extremes to complicate the lives of people of colour. They still have problems accepting that apartheid, indeed, was a crime against humanity, and yet, they are still part of the fabric of South African society, albeit, still a privileged minority.

[@mikehudson8938]

You know zero about life - except perhaps how it is in your big city tower --- nobody is born equal --- how can you possibly compare your opportunities with that of a young Somali, young Zimbo, young Abbo.----- tell you what, - come and live in Jolly J for 6 months -- don`t bother with a return ticket.

[@amukelanimaseko4670]

Well sad mr Johnson

[@JohnSampson]

@@amukelanimaseko4670 it's SAMPSON not Johnson, but thank you for your comment.

[@amukelanimaseko4670]

Thanx mr Sampson for correcting me and one thing for sure ,In our life time as part and parcel of all the processes of history making for the upcoming generations we need positive people like you, so that we won't have a regrettable future like what was done by the minority white South African when they orchestrated apartheid system

[@JohnSampson]

@@mikehudson8938 I have no idea what you are on about. I was born into poverty in South Africa in 1943 and had to do what it took to get anywhere under a Fascist regime. And yes, I did manage and ended up where I aspired to be. I focus on my country and the problems we know about and what to do to solve them. You response is permeated with assumptions that you could never back-up with facts. You don't even know me and what my past life was like. So, what are you trying to say?

[@bossofallbossez9037]

I'm a south african and I think whoever created history into books created it with emotions because they telling us that Deklerk was under pressure that's why he turned the table but he was just nominated in 1989 and released Mandela in 1990 so if that was the case of pressure PW Botha could have done it too but because he was vile and sadistic he couldn't bring freedom until his last term and Deklerk immediately was waiting for his term to change things.

[@TryphosaSiweya]

Is is difficult to agree with your narrative. The was of course pressure from the international community on SA in the context of sanctions. Such a pressure was very instrumental in the transitions and negotiations

[@bossofallbossez9037]

@@TryphosaSiweya but still it's not like it was enough pressure for him and his cabinet, I mean like the others such as Pik Botha he could've chosen to ignore and let the minorities suffer while he selfishly benefited but out of them all De Klerk chose to do the right thing not that he's that of a hero but at least unlike the others he took the first step to freedom and that was just enough for the change we needed until today

Let the truth be told for to long the ANC and the EFF has been distorting the tru facts to be honest with you i have lost total rezpect for my fellow blacks and the stupendous remarks about the event and history of the dismantling of apartheid i stand by FW and support him 100% i have no bones for a pig like the corrupt theive malema what has he done for this country but steall and loot

[@sanelisiwedlamini7142]

He tried though shame

[@nkosinathi7645]

The national party chose this thing because of his hatred towards blacks. He's been participating in the oppression of black people ever since he joined that party. He still reminisces apartheid that's why he said it was not a crime against humanity. You can write what you want but he's an apartheid apologist and should be treated as such.

[@aketchmartin9536]

I hate it when history of country is being rewritten

[@proudgh482]

I feel you bro

[@stephensutherland4188]

Most frustrating thing ever!!

[@thetownshipteacher]

So the interviewer didn't question the statements made in the interview.

[@siyaklaas]

Chances are she didn't listen to the interview.

[@real_rsaNoob13]

As a black South African, I respect this man

[@2414manlabz]

You sleeping and eating with whites

[@lct9031]

Haha strange when people say he is a traitor, so you say apartheid was correct then? Apartheid was gonna end with or without de klerk

[@danielprinsloo2917]

Correct - apartheid would od ended - WITH BLOOD SHED

[@alexanderstapelberg2833]

from what plannet are you? you came here to say what? even a fool is seen as a wise man had he kept quiet.

[@alexanderstapelberg2833]

@Sam • Ja Albert Einstein was swart, dom donner.

[@truth-Hurts375]

@@waltherziemerink your.. we .. dont include black people and you know that !!

[@mrk3815]

Neo-1 We should touch you racist bastards then

[@musakhumalo5266]

Problem with South Africans is that we do not read, we rely on politician's to tell us about the past,this man deserves respect and credit for all that he has done, instead we are told he is evil like the rest, if that were the case why would he have been so close to our Idol Ntate Nelson Mandela? Would he have associated with him if he were that bad?

[@elephant637]

Your totally correct.

[@bubelerasmeni1846]

You do not read

[@stoneomountain2390]

"With our box of matches and our necklaces we shall free South Africa" A Mandela said that, one who was even closer to Nelson than FW de Klerk. By this argument the bomber of children is just as bad as de Klerk

[@elsiesphiwe768]

It's true FW did his best to avert catastrophe in this country credit must be given where it's due.

[@antonykariuki3199]

@@elsiesphiwe768 that is called damage control. To get a good picture who this evil man really was talk the old folks South Africans born before 1980, or watch on KZbin skids of apartheid South Africa DE Clerk army forces beating on innocent South Africans like dogs, or better yet go visit with South African families who lost loved ones at the hand of De Clerk for example Dr. Steve Biko

[@carolmiller760]

A last word that brings tears to my eyes. When our Boys were chased home from the War he could have shifted himself from the Limelight and brought the Soldiers from both sides together, it should have been part of the deal. Imagine the hurt Parents of our Dead endure still today. What did those boys die for?

[@Mo-yd8xc]

Which boys?

[@carolmiller760]

Our Boys...came home to nothing.

[@mr.e6748]

@@Mo-yd8xc They boys who went to war in the 80's

[@user-jr2ue9nu6y]

​@@Mo-yd8xcStompie

[@mohoshinuddinahmed1834]

Did not he initiate the process of removing apartheid from South Africa ? It is not fair to blame him for the misdeeds of his predecessor s . Give him some dues !

[@muhlurimathebula5476]

Absolutely 👍

[@ebbaffour3269]

As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said, "we have to find a way to live together in peace or we perish together as fools".

[@desciplesofthomassankara3021]

What do you expect tho? After centuries of conquest and denial of basic human rights. It's more of a resentment than hatred.

[@desciplesofthomassankara3021]

So the right to life, the reverence of life was introduced to Africa by Europeans? I bet you also believe that the concept of civilisation was also introduced to Africa by the very same Europeans when there where pre- Rhodesian (colonial) civilisations as great Zimbabwe, which they tried to deny was built by Africans

[@desciplesofthomassankara3021]

You're straight up racist & backwards if I'm being polite.

[@zizoushifty1483]

@@desciplesofthomassankara3021 You have to let that shit go, especially if it isn't fixing anything. You can't blame white people in 2020 for what white people did in the 1800's. The hatred and division will not accomplish anything.

[@desciplesofthomassankara3021]

Not if we're still living under the status quo & we're still grappling with the after effects. There is little hatred and great resentment and disillusionment. So it's easy to say that when you live off generational privilege facilitated by a racist government that favoured your ancestors to make sure that the status quo remained even after it was overthrown.

[@yassarcassim8012]

Mandela often said "not enough recognition was given to FW de Klerks role in ending apartheid". He is a man with mistakes and good. The friendship Mandela and him share was unique. I think he is sincere. I also believe we lack leadership like FW, Mandela and Mbeki in this country. Where has all this hatred come from? It's absolute regression.

[@555125kevin]

Wake up, ppl like u are how Europeans colonized Africa, that man isn't sincere he's deceptive

[@gyuhff]

@@555125kevin no you're just a moron.

[@labelle8110]

@@555125kevin You are right!

[@SC-ze3nh]

@@555125kevin your username is literally the symbol of the AWB. Wat ‘n fokken doos man

[@siyabongasiyabonga1948]

It comes from that thug malema and nkandla president

[@MrButiboy]

Apartheid was bad but South Africa wouldn't be where it is economically if it was led by black people or if black people were allowed to be part of leadership then, let us be honest !! Let black South Africans take the farms and see what happens afterwards, you will regret it later !!! Nigeria produces oil every year but the children over there are hungry and walk on bare feet !! Look at what is happening in Zimbabwe !!! We have a problem black folks !!

[@ahmedelissaku8085]

There are black people who can farm successfully,so stop with your nonsense white guy hiding behind a black man's picture Fucking twat

[@danielprinsloo2917]

as a white NON RACIST South African (believe it or not) i agree with you 100% - SA is what you might term as "phucked" because of the greedy politicians who have destroyed SA. all this political jargon is fed by the media to the less educated and it causes hatred amongst the people - both black and white

[@siyapeace3268]

You're stupid

[@barrysavage2534]

How many leaders in the world gave up power willingly to the opposition? De Klerk deserves his Nobel prize.

[@clementgavi7290]

It is more than deserve or not the Nobel Prize. He recognises and profess apartheid was wrong, apartheid was morally unjustified. The greatness of human beings lies in their ability to recognise their own shortcoming, their own mistakes. It is more than the Nobel Prise because it is good for his soul. The body that receive prizes is made to perish, the soul is what remains.

[@gazesalso645]

Willingly gave up power? Hardly. It took concerted decades long domestic and international pressure to get South Africa to turn its back on Apartheid. A key factor which led to the ending of Apartheid was the removal of SA's ability to bust sanctions after which De Klerk had no option. And even though he later retracted the statement he argued that Apartheid wasn't a crime against humanity because it's not genocide. Nice one. I guess he feels Apartheid wasn't that bad. Give that man a Nobel prize.

[@clementgavi7290]

@@gazesalso645 What about CUBA, decades of repressions , etc haven't undermined the determination of Castro's regime. The Castro's regime has failed to subordinated itself to the interest of the whole. Look at the countries which were supporting the apartheid regime in South Africa. The greatness of the human being also resides in its capacity to know when to subordinate its own greatness to the freedom of the whole. The oppressors, the dictators are immature beings and inhabited by evil.

[@gazesalso645]

@@clementgavi7290 Clement what has Cuba got to do with the fact that Apartheid policy in South Africa was not economically sustainable due to sanctions busting coming to an end as a result of activists? De Klerk not recognising the work of activists is one thing and entirely predictable for any head of state who might face jail time if he was honest and recogised his role in a crime against humanity. Ja Apartheid was terrible etc. but that had nothing to do with me. In fact my party changed laws to make things hunky dory. Really? So no, he's hardly recognised his own shortcomings. Why you would buy his side of the story only suggests you don't know the other side. Anyway, I'm sure De Klerk sleeps very well at night with a clear conscience even though he was, for example, part of State Security Council meetings where he had command control over murders of anti-Apartheid activists. My friend, it so happens doesn't sleep so well. His father was tortured and murdered by the State at the time De Klerk was attending SSC meetings.

[@siyabongasiya9099]

We still don't know what was their agriment between him & Mandela

[@muammardemuinda8446]

Mr De klerk is a genuine man and really worked hard to end the apartheid system... Guys and specifically South African citizens should really give the old man credit where its due... Even Mr Mandela joint hands with him and forgave him based on what his former president pw botha did He is my inspiration... He deserves that noble prize 1000%

[@gregolfin3636]

Does a genuine man have an affair and cheat on his wife?

[@M3l_0N666]

He doesn't even live in SA anymore. He knew the shit that was coming.

[@eye4aneye760]

@@M3l_0N666 where’s he living now? All I can find is that it says he lives in cape town

[@mzansibattleleague1598]

Was the something wrong with Apartheid.....the lifestyles are really different, only in 1982 it escalted to being a problem guess who was the minister of Home Affairs 🤔🤔

[@emilio2647]

@@M3l_0N666 where does de Klerk currently live now?

[@JimmyGrant74]

What idiotic questions by the reporter. Has she nothing intelligent to ask except trying every means possible to get him to admit to something?

[@Thei_da_bruh]

HIStory, depends on who wrote it. This being an interview went over my head. De Klerk has a very high EQ. Forgot there was someone interrogating him, was just drawn to hearing him speak his worth.

[@len1708]

But where is the justice for Apartheid after murdering men,women and children. Because they had the power they played black people.Gave them Reconciliation, for a crime against humanity. It not clear to me why no p

[@petelosuaniu]

I am an ANC supporter but I think F.W. de Klerk is an honourable man who did what was right for South Africa. Whoever was around at that time knows. We had the IFP ready to go to war for an independent Zulu nation, we had the likes of Eugene Terblanche running around with his Nazi looking army, complete with guns and uniforms. We had elements of the Army ready to mutiny and if need be, take over the government via a coup. The country was at a cross roads. There was black on black violence between ANC and IFP and others every week and criminals running amok under the guise of "the struggle" but they were going around murdering people in their communities to settle scores. It was chaos. If FW de Klerk did not do what he did and Madiba did not do what he did, there would have been another typical african civil war.

[@craigbritz1684]

Yes but you seem to forget that the police and army could have just mowed them down en masse justike mugabe did against masses of dissenters after 2000

[@michaelblack7043]

Yes, but that was then and this is now. We can only move forward. And from where we stand - justice was NEVER served. When people do not even think that what they did was a crime, then its time to engage the criminal justice system into first gear. It turns out that these people are not even apologizing for what happened, and only pretended to be sorry in the past. If ANC cannot find another Mandela-esque miracle, like pronto, I see things going downhill very fast. Very fast.

[@craigbritz1684]

@@michaelblack7043 as Mandela said "forget the past" only then will you be able to start moving forward. You sound like the EFF , wanting revenge for the past

[@bubelerasmeni1846]

@@craigbritz1684 The past can not be forgotten until Justice is served. Mandela should have known that.

[@joechimmie]

you can only forget the past if you benefited

[@JostleMedia]

I think F.W. De Klerk is right when he says they have averted a Civil War. This country should have been worse than Syria MK was ready to fight but also the SADF as it was called then was heavily armed and strong

[@sfisobuthelezi3054]

But you think if civil war occurred will white people still be here since their minority?

[@sekhoanejoemosebo8619]

Honestly, this interviewer is just interrogating the old man instead of having a meaningful conversation with an effort to have a mutual understanding.

[@davidverster9523]

She thinks she is superior..but in fact suffers an inferiority complex

[@viwelolwane]

And I have to give it to FDW de Klerk the way he answered those question, you can tell that he was a good man and he speaks the truth

[@NiceViking100]

He didnt end the suffering, he only caved & created a worst nation for everyone. He tried doing what terrorists wanted him to do & their heirs still hate him. He would of been better off never giving them an inch in the first instant. He's a coward & he's paying for it. He does have blood on his hand but not for the reasons they're accusing him. Dont @ me.

[@gavinmaritz6845]

They say apartheid was racists but what about today with the EFF and the ANC they are worse than the apartheid South Africa has hit rock bottom since the ANC has taken over the apartheid wasn't the correct thing but the South African economy was better off

[@mikesibiya6024]

ANC and EFF never masacered people, never opressed anyone like white people did. Cannot make comparison.

[@djgulston]

The interviewer sounds like she doesn't like former President F. W. De Klerk very much judging from the way she asks him questions.

[@muthubimashuduangel]

Myb she was a victim of apartheid 😉

[@frankie7529]

That seems to be the style of journalism at the moment. Biased black female interviewers being unnecessarily rude to older white people. I think they get a thrill out of it. I believe it is born out of their own insecurity.

[@Mo-yd8xc]

@@frankie7529 you come off as very paranoid

[@frankie7529]

@@Mo-yd8xc I probably am. Living as a minority in a country where the majority feels entitled to discriminate against minorities will do that to you.

[@Mo-yd8xc]

@@frankie7529 I LIVE IN AmeriKKKa TELL ME ABOUT IT. LMBAO

[@ladifmefire2943]

He is still well spoken even with the weight of his age .I think he was a sound positive man. Evil leaders lose their speech control by this age. This man is genuine.

[@barrywhite5577]

Cancer got him now.

[@fridgemagnet9831]

His not that old. But had a deep voice

[@mzansibattleleague1598]

I agree with you brother

[@antonykariuki3199]

Say that to Dr. Steve Biko family, you guys are naive very easily swayed, so this 7 minutes skid is giving you nothing but positive vibes about an evil man that terrorized black South Africans killing blacks like dogs day and night.

[@betty541]

@@antonykariuki3199 Yeah..he almost got me there, for a second. Then I remembered what he represented..and the evils he and his government, and previous Apartheid governments, perpetrated on the black population. For some reason, his supposed epiphany that Apartheid is wrong does not make me see him any differently.

[@MrWerd910]

Ending Apartheid under duress isn't the same as doing it because you think it was the right thing to do. He had no choice. Now he wants to look like the hero. My family got displaced all over the world due do Apartheid and will never forgive.

[@truesonic669]

He had a choice. He did not agree with it. Lost everything as a consequence.

[@Uwadiae8643]

Without being told he has so much African blood on his hands.

[@christievanhuyssteen5792]

Waar is jou skewe glimlaggie de Klerk?

[@Rippa33]

Probably one of the worst and most biased presenter I've seen in my life. We should be thanking this man. To now make him the face of the past is absolutely ridiculous when it is in fact thanks to him (and ANC) that apartheid ended. Its 27 years later and you seek an apology? I'd suggest to start at knocking on the front door of Nkandla. That's the apology this country needs.

[@rachaeladdison1003]

I hope Malema heard this otherwise his heart will be bent on hating the white people.

[@leoniea138]

He seems to be used by who knows what ...

[@w.almutairi3744]

SA has gone downhill since the early 90s.. economically , it was better off during Apartheid.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

No it wasn't. Even the man in the bideo says it would have ended like Syria if it went on. He was a hero along Mandela and only radicals disagree with him.

[@redx7118]

He was a typical politician... not a Hero. he helped switch apartheid from one government to another

[@lengaumosotho]

If De klerk can't take responsibility for the actions of his security forces as president of the time then I don't know what accountability is. How can he with a straight face say his conscience is clear, when he was part of the apartheid machinery way before he was president, how much blood, displacement, heartache and distraction would make him admit blood on his hands

[@richard6000]

Lengau Mosotho oh please! The ANC has no idea on how to even spell accountability! De Klerk did take responsibility!!! That’s why it ended

[@lengaumosotho]

@@richard6000 So the ANC's lack of accountability is a free pass for De Klerk and apartheid? How is ending it accountability for what it did?

[@andrewdutoit9571]

@@lengaumosotho What did Apartheid honestly do?

[@denisekriel5892]

A clear conscience is the problem.

[@nikitantoyi9800]

So profound... (a Lotta people don't get this)

[@kaleomariz1000]

Why do you say so? The man did his best to bring down apartheid. What else do you expect from him?

[@denisekriel5892]

@@kaleomariz1000 was he held accountable in any way? Nope, he worked until pension age and continues to make his money. Meanwhile young white South Africans pay off apartheid debt. We are subjected to BEE. Our children have few opportunities, cannot get into medicine etc. The wrong people are paying back the debt. The old white people sit with the money and land. Oh and by the way in only a few hands.

[@kaleomariz1000]

Denise I am sorry, I didn’t understand what was point you were trying to make. 🤔

[@sizwengubane8990]

@@kaleomariz1000 🤣🤣🤣

[@theobserver6755]

Looking this by the end of July 2021 doesnt seems right, Im anti apartheid but surely back in the 70s, the cities are much cleaner, no lootings, very discipline military. Things in SA are now the opposite of what I said

[@victorleon1563]

What did u expect

[@tshepotau5754]

He killed Hector Peterson.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Apartheid was just whites protecting everything they had built. Anti-apartheid was blacks demanding a piece of everything whites had built.

[@Reagan956]

Better now

[@lisaball9669]

Malema has blood on his hands too!!!!

[@TamimLB]

but since it was white blood they don't care

[@busisiweseybokwe7735]

who did Malema kill? Prove it

[@TamimLB]

@@busisiweseybokwe7735 Malema encourages killing. You have heard him singing “Kill the boer” he cannot say that straight because it would be a dead give away, so he hides it by saying “Kiss the boer” Malema likes to stir up tension in South Africa, don’t get me wrong, as a White man I love hearing about United Africa, single African currency, collapse of the fake borders the European set on us, but I am willing to forget that if it means protecting my people. Under Malema I would be of no nation, I would be a loner. Why should I deal with that? What have I done? All I’ve done is be born into a Democratic country. I don’t hate De Klerk for instance, he was the president who helped break up Apartheid, but he should’ve ended it right away. He should’ve truly made Black and White unite. The British and Afrikaaners used to fight a ton, but slowly they started chipping away at the hatred and soon peace took over. Now it must happen again.

[@TamimLB]

@Atyanth Dutt yeap, Mandela would’ve known what to do. But he isn’t here anymore.

[@busisiweseybokwe7735]

@@TamimLB so this is evident that Malema is a killer who did he send to go and kill?

[@imasinnerwholovesGod]

I don't understand why he says he support Ramaphosa for economy but the Stats says Ramaphosa is far worse than Zuma with all his support. It's just a thought

[@welcome33333]

The journalist is asking leading questions. Not very professional.

[@OMS62]

At least he tried..... but only delayed the catastrophe!!!!

[@dawiemeyer1630]

dream on

[@rauhanakale7667]

You did a greater job to us Namibian Mr de Kerlk May you RIP

[@noahkutenda2249]

What did he do?

[@paulomanjate7748]

Ngomoya waNkulunkulu sizohlangana Ebukhosini Clubhouse ngo25 February 2022 at 6pm

[@phutimalapile1924]

ANC couldn't win the arm struggle? Is that what you said? 54 African nations, +200 000 cuban military soldiers against few Afrikaners? Stop talking nonsense

[@gerritkruger4014]

Well yeah, it was still pretty much 50/50 . Glad it didn't come to that though. The only african nation that did really support cuba was angola, and fapla forces

[@yungjoemighty879]

A bitter old man who will die and be forgotten

[@TalentMthiyane]

@@dawiemeyer1630 care to explain how he sold out everyone?

[@tonydube5852]

Mr Declerk was the first leader of the regime to abolish apartheid...for this he has earned my respect. He really was a brave man in doing so.

[@allbyhisgrace8925]

True, he should be commended for this ,may he rest in peace.

[@philipamadeus9359]

He had no option

[@zero10111]

Wow ! Atleast u tried unlike those who designed it

[@marlonamantillo1913]

I am a Filipino. In the next poll, put WHITE PEOPLE in the presidency to lead your country SOUTH AFRICA from 3rd world country BACK to the FIRST WORLD COUNTRY. DO IT. DO IT.

[@marlonamantillo1913]

@NEW WORLD Mr. New World, i agreed with what you said that the PH is a third world country. That's the truth. Under the present Duterte administration, our country is progressing. That's why i keep on saying NO NO NO to TOO MUCH freedom, NO NO NO to TOO MUCH democracy or DEMONcrazy, NO NO NO to SHABU (illegal drugs), YES YES YES to Singapore style of DICTATORSHIP-Democracy, YES YES YES to the late PM Lee Kwan Yew. YES YES YES to the KILLING of DRUG ADDICTS, DRUG PUSHERS, DRUG lORDS, DRUG PROTECTORS.

[@marlonamantillo1913]

@NEW WORLD Mr. New World, you better ELECT WHITE PEOPLE to lead your country back to the FIRST WORLD COUNTRY.

[@wilhelmhesse1348]

De Klerk, Gorbachev and Yitzak Rabin. Arguably 3 men who made the most difference in global politics from the last century.

[@tsiyon12]

I'd argue that Churchill, Stalin & Hitler top that list

[@wilhelmhesse1348]

@@tsiyon12 valid point

[@wilhelmhesse1348]

@@tsiyon12 valid point but thing with Gorbachev, De Klerk and Rabin is they made changes (or tried to make changes in Rabin's case) because they saw things had to change not for themselves but for future generations, they made immense sacrifices to which non of the other three were capable of because it wasn't in their character. Hitler, Stalin and Churchill were all megalomaniacs and antagonistic war leaders, but where the second World War failed to bring the collapse of the USSR, 46 years later internal democratic changes such as Perestrioka and Glasnost would. With the collapse of the USSR the chances of an ever present global nuclear holocaust occuring greatly (not completely)reduced and for that Gorbachev I believe deserves the main credit for. Throughout the 70s and 80s apartheid South Africa was a constant hurtful reminder of man's most inner discriminatory nature. What De Klerk did was to break this and to show the whole world that this inner nature of hate can infact be changed. This along with what Rabin attempted to do can not be understated because what they did was to show really nothing can be accomplished without a peaceful resolution, living in a constant state of war for whatever reason is a losing battle which future generations will always pay a heavy price for.

[@lwazinsele175]

Hogwash.

[@sbmars7137]

FW Declerk and Mandela are the best thing that ever happened to Africa.South Africans may take it for granted but even in all black African states, leaders in power would rather burn everything to the ground than negotiate. I think the present politicians are feeding the people with distractions.

[@sibusisomagagula3633]

I can imagine the vital/crucial decisions he took against his racist fellows to negotiate and be part of those who end apartheid.I appreciate his wisdom and independence in his thinking and I say thank you Mr De Klerk, without discrediting that I wish you were convinced too that apartheid was a crime against humanity.

[@nkosinathi7645]

You are talking nonsense

[@modernfreeman4228]

@@nkosinathi7645 Elaborate

[@mdumiseninsibande3071]

He was instructed to by Afrikaaner business.

[@sibusisomagagula3633]

@@mdumiseninsibande3071 Fine, he was president. He could have refused if he didn't want to.

[@gregory3768]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnqop42Eq7h4rZI

[@rikacoetzer8135]

Nog steeds 'n fokin Hond in 2021

[@TimeMakerDotPH]

He does look like Mikhail Gorbachev though.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Kinda. And just like Gorbachev, he is hated for doing the right thing.

[@tsholofeloellenkekana5635]

Stop these interviews Mr De clerk no matter what you say people will always have their own opinion. You lived made you mistakes tried your best. Now rest and wait for your day God will call you. Remember now is the time for you to think about the conversation that you are going to have with God. Let it be! Whether you're honored or not the real honor will always come from God.

[@alexanderstapelberg2833]

AMEN U is 'n God geleerde persoon. Daar is meer van U nodig in die land, dalk in die werêld. GOD seën U.

[@Kongodiantotela]

The interviewer speaks like a prosecutor.

[@dmd5060]

This reporter seems to unnecessarily put her emotions into the interview, and attacking Mr De Klerk instead of just doing her job objectively...bad interviewing skills...

[@Fanusvdm]

17 racist policies were abolished by the NP - only to be replaced by 114 racist policies by the ANC.

[@karaboTladi-kh1xu]

Lol tsek😂😂

[@karaboTladi-kh1xu]

Lol such as?

[@karaboTladi-kh1xu]

You must be a white south Africa

[@mtshedamarunyane5465]

Any dying man will speak the truth. Apology without accountability is useless.

[@lemogangmoduane4078]

Well said 💪🏾

[@tmanytt]

His actions were good enough for me no need to say sorry again and again to people who still hold grudges

[@anatomihvk1628]

Hard not to hold a grudge when the suffering affected many generations. Not forgetting that the issue of land has still not been attended to. How can you not keep a grudge when those who oppressed the nation act like it happened 300 years ago and not just 28. You sound foolish and probably would've been one of those spies against the fight for liberation.

[@tmanytt]

Fucken damn straight I would have survival of the fittest Cheat and steal exactly like your current government, this land thing is all smoke screens to bigger issues

[@delyretsym]

THIS MAN ENDED IT ALL, HE ENDED APARTHEID, HE SHOULD BE RESPECTED , HE WENT AGAINST A LOT OF DANGER FROM HIS OWN WHITE SUPREMIST PEOPLE, HE SET SOUTH AFRICA FREE,

[@jonassavimbiunitaparty6876]

Guys please we need an open dialogue with FW de Klerk and Julius Malema before he die.Pls pls organise it ASAP for the nation to hear both side of story.Who's falling who here

[@M3l_0N666]

They all are. Would see them both locked up.

[@beautybyphumi]

He’s gone now.

[@sinethembamajamane366]

History must be thought or else it will repeat its self.

[@jamludentertainment]

Mnx! no sorry will be taken from this side! atrocisies under his watch. Chief in comand! dont you think those people should have went to prison? why give them paychecks! mnx!

[@sniper548]

South Africa almost looks like Syria today!

[@Bbrits1]

I cannot believe that people cannot celebrate what this man did.

[@Bbrits1]

Yep, you are correct. What will? I just think stopping the deaths that could have come is something to be considered. @user-ju5uo8mq1u

[@rosebudrosebud3925]

Let's continue pray for world peace, humanity, to all that have perished during these troubling times RIP. Viva Mama Africa ✊🏾

[@jesseshadrack9326]

A murderer

[@dawiemeyer1630]

there is serious questions about the circumstances under which his first wife died also

[@Chelaa3434]

😳😳RIP Mr president..you ended Apartheid when it was not fashionable to do so

[@siyabongasiya9099]

We lost control after Jacob Zuma...ei bayamzonda abelungu uZuma tjoo

[@djkuda6514]

Nonsense !!!

[@VIVABELLAVIVAHERMANO]

You have to think a little bit to see where he is coming from and saying, he gets blame from left and right

[@samueldokowe]

He did his part by setting a foundation for an equal South Africa, but it wasn't enough.

[@dawiemeyer1630]

that foundation is a smoke screan

[@michaelblack7043]

100% agreed. Its not enough.

[@bernhardtherbst7679]

This mans wife killed by the very people who he gave power.

[@PeterMichelle-c9g]

imagine Julius Malema apologizing before he dies?

[@phumlilemfukuli8708]

I think the man is genuine.

[@robertmorrison4605]

He put them on the wrong road

[@PMMagro]

LIke Gorbatchev he gave away his own power to allow for much more freedom. If others later use the freedom badly it is not his fault. It si easy to give away someone elses power but thsi man gave up his own (without fighting or trying to cheat).

[@somnandizwidetv]

We lost our ways 😔 during Zuma cause he sidelined whites and wanted radical transformation and was blocked in every corner with the stupid allegations

[@coenraadstoltz4513]

Will they ask the same questions when the Black Economic Empowerment comes to an end? It still race based laws

[@petragodfrey1730]

Political motive ? What was your motive Dr klerk , ?

[@pznroelwert6170]

It is well documented that De Klerk faught His own party against apartheid from the late 70's, long before He became President. He has been made the face of apartheid, even though He did not support the NP's policies. South Africa would not have been a democratic state without His contributions. We can never deny that.

[@mukeloncube410]

But to tell the truth, De Klerk did the right thing He was the one who made big decisions even if his people did not agree.

[@Kat-ot4gt]

SA had MANY international sanctions, to the point where they werent allowed to play sports against anyone and werent allowed to trade with EU nations. in a nutshell they were held by the balls for many years,they HAD TO they had NO choice. of he didnt SA was gonna turn into a full fledged 3rd world country

[@victorleon1563]

@@Kat-ot4gt how ironic look at SA today and with out sanctions 🤣🤣

[@TheTruthIsFiction]

who ended Apartheid? I think everyone knows if you know your history. It was this man.

[@nkosinathi7645]

You are talking nonsense

[@mukeloncube410]

@@nkosinathi7645 to you it's nonsense but at that time, sacrifices had to be done.

[@butibutiphoko579]

"A luta continua; vitória é certa". The struggle to liberate the country is not yet a mission done.

[@bobbyjones6054]

All racisits talk like FW I really don't know why this guy is not in jail.

[@angloaust1575]

They should have divided the country Mandela one half and deklerk the other!

[@victorleon1563]

Yes and one halve would be bankrupt by now - guess which halve

[@mfanisenigedeza9060]

This Former Apartheid destroyed Africans in their lands as man I can say he is a who did so many wrong and mistakes and didn't get punished or went to jail, but he also did good for giving Africans freedom... I don't understand his legacy but I well do say he is indeed an Iconic for white people

[@AssyrianFire]

This woman is trying to frame him in a horrible light, how foul. He’s just a sorry old man who knows what was wrong.

[@d12cov38]

Pierre Younan she's a very bad interviewer and disrespectful

[@AssyrianFire]

D12 Cov clearly, I don’t know anything about her but I can tell.

[@fransmakhudu2785]

fuck him, his sorry asshole

[@kennedymogomotsi6973]

Fuck de Klerk

[@kennedymogomotsi6973]

And fuck you too apartheid lover

[@jeanoliver3573]

We need to learn to forgive and move forward in order for our country to be successful. President De Klerk, my apologies for my understanding i was in correct. Apartheid is wrong and we should all learn never wish for someone to pass over Karma is huge.

[@rickyschenk3591]

Apartheid was heaven, everything worked even blacks 😉

[@reneesirkhot7317]

Jean, although I'm more or less same page as you,,, but,, to say , move on , forget, etc, peoples mindsets, are not, where u think they at,,eg I was blogging now now with this black guy,, he seemingly thinks I'm white" just cause, I made conversation with him, and lied abt being white,, instead of him reading my response to ,his blog, all he could say is , go to cold soul of Europe ,get out, "unquote, its really pointless, , I say GOD OWNS ALL EARTH,LAND SEAS, EVETTTHING, I said if he's a superior race,, I rest my case..

[@reneesirkhot7317]

What's really sad, is this , certain race,, dont like apartheid gone! They're saying that ,having 25 to 30vyrs to ,,build housing for a massive population was time enough , to house ,everyone, and to build more hospitals was time enough! They say , to make job creation was time enough! So then,vwhere EXACTLY does ,, the blame lie? Cause ,,, itsva continuation. Of apartheid , ways ,! This,is very ,sad, for each and every south African, , , speechless.

[@reneesirkhot7317]

@@nubiacode4313 sorry but you are wrong and you are also right.

[@reneesirkhot7317]

Beneficiary ,,,could mean lots of things,,, again you are right, but you are also wrong.

[@moloistevesiwelisimathotsi7482]

Criminal accuses the victim

[@bonganinyaze8089]

Chris hn talked about this D clk dat he was a pretender

[@kelvinwang2485]

Behold some of the most cynical and neurotic net critters in this comment section. Here's a fun fact for you folk: people are capable of change.

[@SiphoShoots]

Can they bring back the dead?

[@docdynamix]

If we knew how SA would go we would never had voted for the change