La Pavoni Espresso machines from entry level to full manual lever | Can Smeg keep up the quality?

[@chrisperez6881]

Great video and info session. I got my Stradivari Europiccola and Kube Mill grinder in December. It took a lot of practice for me to dial it all in, but now I am pulling the most exquisite shot and making a delicious cappuccino every morning. It's a commitment but well worth if you like to engage with your coffee on another level. I've since had coffee from hi-end cafes but nothing compares to the rich and scrumptious espresso the La Pavoni delivers.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Nice work! Yeh it's a steep learning curve but it pays off! 🙌👌

[@Conservator.]

10:51 A 58mm filter would require 30% more pressure on the lever. A smaller filter diameter requires less force to make your espresso.

[@jsfasia2007]

Great timing I’m looking at the Cellini

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Sweet! 👌💯

[@lorimcquinn3966]

Under new ownership, it seems La Pavoni is leaning towards the Boutique market. While I'm sure there is market share to be had there, I feel a more simplistic machine with solid quality control and improvements will wear better in the long run. Provide the required improvements and build it bullet proof and your dedicated followers will remain along with the new crowd.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

It will be interesting to see how it goes and if the Smeg machines improve as a biproduct of being attached to La Pavoni.

[@lorimcquinn3966]

@@Rydecoffeecoach Actually it's appears La Pavoni is now attached to SMEG, a good opportunity regardless.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yeh that's what I was meaning. 👌

[@dvsmaverick]

I bought my La Pavoni Europiccola about a year agao and I absolutely love it. I use it daily and would never want anything else. Probably a Stradivari.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

They are still amazing machines even 100+ years on! 🙌🙌

[@danec1384]

So weird to think of buying a La Pavoni from Harvey Norman! Great video Ryd, it's so good to see this brand coming back properly. Any chance we will see some usage of lever machines in your upcoming vids?

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

I'd love to do some lever machines. I'm trying to get hold of some!

[@meatgeorge]

10:55 a big reason it's not 58mm is because the bigger the portafilter the harder it is to press. Flair 58 gets away with it with a really long lever, Cafelat Robot uses two levers. He's right that the group head would need to be bigger but also it would need a heavier reinforcement to the boiler. Also 51mm was introduced at the turn of the century, "pre-millenium" machines were 49mm and there are still many of those in circulation to this day second hand.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Thanks for sharing that insight! 🙌 Yeh I guess I've just become so used to everything 58mm that I have set myself up with bias 😅

[@mikeowen000]

I’ve been researching La Pavonis of late, thinking about whether to buy a new or used one. One complaint that I’ve read about the new ones is that they’ve gone with a cheaper, thinner gauge metal for the base, and that it creates more flex when force is applied to pull a shot.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yeh if you grab one of the 2nd hands in good condition you'll love it 👌

[@bridgetcrossman708]

What about the Domus Bar? Surely it's much more of a home machine than those? I've got a 10 year old one which is starting to show its age but I can't find anyone who actually uses it besides me.

[@antoniokozmas9916]

Ryd I was sold up until the 51 porter-filter 🤣 but I must say if I ever do look at another machine I’d definitely look at the hand levers to actually have that kind of control is amazing 😊

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Oh I know! Why 51mm just because it throws the design out? Man, I just disagree with that. 7mm ruins the look? Maybe it would, but still, the hassle in all the accessories. 🤦

[@antoniokozmas9916]

@@Rydecoffeecoach I feel it’s just to keep the original I find with Italians they love sticking to the original Funny enough a friend of mine texted last night asking if I want hers haha as she got it as a wedding gift and has no idea how to use it 🤣

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

@@antoniokozmas9916 awesome! That's amazing. 💯❤️

[@AndrewKay-fg1bj]

Why is the video mirrored? Bizarre

[@akent46]

Does the Cellini run a 58mm basket??

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yep!

[@raymondnafouti6451]

Im between cellini and esperto edotto, wich will Create better espresso you think?

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Ooh you'll open up a can of worms with that question! 😂 Lever heads will always say the lever machine makes better espresso and probably between the Cellini it will do. The levers have two unique abilities: to control pressure and flow, and full saturation of the puck in seconds. So, I would say you need to ask yourself these questions: Do I want a super manual machine to be able to profile each individual shot? Do I want convenience over that extra 10% better shot? Do I want to be able to find accessories easily (like tampers, puck screens, dosing funnels etc) the Cellini is standard 58mm. If you're keen to dive deep into chasing perfection then go the edotto

[@raymondnafouti6451]

Hahaha well the convinience sure sounds nice but at the same time i dont mind doing the extra work, the only important part for me is the 58mm head and that i wont be able to be able to get proper double espresso shots with the 51mm…

[@thang1011]

Is it the same as Isomac?

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Very similar. Isomac is a very high quality machine manufacturer that's been around for 40+ years and are just not as well known.

[@thang1011]

How is it compared to Izzo, Expobar, Rocket, Profitec and ECM? Thanks

[@СергейНетесов-я7щ]

Машина La Pavoni Botticelli Dual Boiler потекла при первом же включении, рабочего давления помпа не показала. Стоит такая красивая, кнопочки горят, но совершенно бесполезная и течет по-тихому. Приобреталась в качестве подарка, не включали 15 дней, попали на гарантийный ремонт. Гарантийный ремонт в исполнении ООО "Время кухни" (продавец) и ООО "СМЕГ Руссия" (поставщик) превратился в кошмар - машинку забрали и 12 дней никакой информации. Дали телефоны 3 (трех) авторизованных центров. Первый сразу же забрал машинку, никакой информации о ее судьбе больше нет. На звонки обещают уточнить и перезвонить. Может и уточняют, но не перезванивают, следующий раз - опять обещание уточнять. Уже боязно, не мошенники ли, вернется ли машинка, опять же - какая?! Ведь если врут, значит это кому-нибудь нудно. Вкус кофе - ужасный: его нет.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Sorry to hear that! 😥 I don't think it's a scam but maybe the reseller is not very good. Hopefully you get a replacement machine! 🤞

[@JohnDoe-kl8cd]

feels like they looked at what the community was already doing with the mods and just re-branding it. Rather than looking into why the community did what they did and innovated based on that. Their is nothing new other than accent statements and a price tag. Feel exactly like Smeg. Do the least amount and expect the most. Other than the wood finishes and the metal choices, why wouldnt someone just buy a used or older model and refurb and/or mod it for cheaper? Bragging rights? Why keep the 51mm basket? Inventory and tooling :D

[@bigwave_dave8468]

Who doesn't love a classic lever machine?..but I don't see any innovation.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yeh nothing much since early days. I expect that will change once the Meticulous hits the open market. Then companies will have to respond.

[@bflmpsvz870]

If it is perfect, don't try to fix it. I got my Esperto Abile two years ago and it makes my mornings happy every single day. The Italians got it right for me, yet again.