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[@ladbiblestories]

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[@RussellChapman99]

Marvin is an attention seeker now that he is too old to do the crime. He isn't sorry, he just loves the attention. His life does not deserve any sort of positive memory.

[@McStoolio]

@@RussellChapman99Yeah, he loving telling those tales of his past, interestingly, his only regret was his son hating him. Not the violence and misery he caused. That says an awful lot about a human.

[@yewawtmayt2805]

After all the youtube drama Marv, Darren g, James English can't even take them seriously.

[@801discovery8]

He has no services.

[@mythomasmoney1988]

@ladbible is there anyway you can get us some old pictures of these guys back in the day??? Really wanna see how scary these dudes looked lol

[@j.s.ospina9861]

"I'm not a gangster, I have never been a gangster. I'm a businessman whose business was crime" has the same spirit as "Professionals have standards"

[@acidcat8869]

They want you to think that they have standards, that deep down their not violent psychopaths. That they only did and do those horrible things because "they had to " or it was done to them first.... pathetic excuses

[@migek]

@@acidcat8869 silver spoon fed

[@barrymantz6026]

@@acidcat8869 Get your facts straight! That old man is absolutely not a psychopath! He's the clever one!

[@sterkriger2572]

@@acidcat8869 Tell me you were shielded by mom and dad without telling me you're shielded by mom and dad

[@KingBZLL]

"I'm not a gangster" Immediately says some gangster shit

[@Mason-is4mr]

"I'm not a gangster, I'm a business man, and my business was crime." That is 100% the most gangster way of saying you are a gangster.

[@JamieZero7]

The dude has an OBE which is a medal which is Most excellent Order of the British Empire. And FRSA Art stuff. Queen gave it for reformed offenders.

[@YnnsBelle]

EXACTLY hahahha this comment makes me laugh so hard bcs yes!

[@yeahna]

shut up Mason you have no clue

[@The_InfantMalePollockFrancis]

No, it's a bottom feeder trying to pass off as having some sort of merit.

[@bdsmpodcast666]

It is pretty damn gangster

[@Pwanchi]

"I'm not a gangster, I'm a businessman whose business was crime". That's a sentence I'd expect to hear in a movie.

[@youngroller2168]

This man is the real peaky blinder

[@jonsupro9135]

Those are the words of a master manipulator. You can't feel for him, that's what he wants you to do so he can rope you in. A top level gangster will sell you a bridge in Brooklyn if you look easy to prey on. Parasites.

[@realfranser]

A similar sentence was said at the begining of Layer Cake. Check it out!

[@balares]

movies are copying these guys' lives

[@Sheff_D_]

Reminds me of an English version of the Sopranos

[@kwisuxk]

It’s crazy how even these criminals, who have ended lives and caused trauma around them, still have the heart to care for their children. That just goes to show you how heinous some parents who abuse their children are. I mean if even a criminal can feel such love for their child, then it’s crazy to think about how evil parents who don’t love their children are…

[@swampas5543]

Real gangsters take care of their responsibilities, a thug ditches theirs, there’s a massive difference

[@crown_420]

Stalin love his children too

[@aetherx464]

And yet they have no empathy to what they did the possible father or mothers, brothers or sisters. I don't know why this is so admireable. They literally don't give a shit about others and make the pikachu suprised face when they get the same fucking energy back

[@swampas5543]

@@aetherx464 because these so called morales men likes to touch children in the name of god? There a difference in a one side story you heard than two stories of multiple perspectives in general. Some mfrs deserve to die especially if you are begging and never working I’d do the same if I fed and loved the people who insulted me. And if someone do marked Them parents then they where rats or should’ve kept their mouths shut about subjects they never knew about fully instead of accusations

[@tarikhk2]

@@crown_420 When Stalin's eldest son shot himself and survived, Stalin said " He can't even shoot straight." He eventually let him rot in a German gulag and let him be shot.

[@Kevin12321]

I LOVE how Bobby treats Marv. You can tell he’s genuinely interested in his story and him as a person. When he goes in for a hug at the end it speaks volumes.

[@kingkrusherg8367]

Spoiler bro

[@Kevin12321]

@@kingkrusherg8367 well then don’t read the damn comments before you watch the video bro. Wtf it’s just a damn hug I didn’t ruin the god damn ending I’d the avengers get over yourself

[@h4mmy191]

@@kingkrusherg8367 your fault.

[@ResurectxXx]

Gang shit

[@bachiak1]

Killers respect killers

[@darkvader2611]

This is the most British thing ever. Two hardened criminals having a civilized chat about their life of crime. I enjoy LADbible to the highest degree.

[@obi-wankenobi8446]

There's nothing British about that, this isn't what we are like at all.

[@ayyteal6034]

ignore obi, this is how we are.

[@stephenhumphrey7935]

@@ayyteal6034 We've always had a soft spot for old school gangsters, like the Kray's and such, but not the new type of "gangsta" who speaks like a Jamaican and is an embarrassment to the UK.

[@ykshay]

@@stephenhumphrey7935 wagwan for battyman

[@stephenhumphrey7935]

@@ykshay Wagwan wannabe gansta.

[@0rnery0verwatch]

I like how Marv said the action he regretted most was "just being a criminal". That one hit me. It's like you could see in his eyes he was thinking "I don't regret how hard I worked or the hustle I displayed while I was in the game... I just wish I'd have chosen a different game".

[@Rynos1997]

eye*

[@pablosbeats4323]

@@Rynos1997 lmaooo

[@shuem_]

That's the thing when you started doing the right things in life and reminisce back to the wrongs you did. You realize that "If it weren't for this wrong path I've taken I wouldn't be in this good position I am now after I changed for the better". If we were going on the right path since the beginning it's also going to be good and that's just how life is. There are many paths in life but in any point of the path you took, once you decide to follow the correct paths then it'll lead to goodness.

[@Suuperwuuper]

@@cagneybillingsley2165 casual racism I see

[@Good_Hot_Chocolate]

@cagney billingsley wow... that's the most racist thing I've read in a while, whether intentional or not...

[@cybergamez1442]

These guys conduct a conversation better than politicians bro.

[@sorc109]

Politicians are high level gangsters bruv

[@bevblois-coates7367]

@Jose Holgado Bloody right there 👏

[@theproblemmustbeinyourpant5910]

At the end of the day Politicians are playing a very similar game. Unlike these guys, they hold the power to set the rules, and we all eagerly oblige because it’s all we’ve known.

[@sorc109]

@@theproblemmustbeinyourpant5910 yh even the police would admit that

[@Antonocon]

The politicians are still unreformed criminals.

[@GRT1005]

You can see the absolute genuine respect Marv has for Bobby, simply letting him finish talking and not interrupting him speaks volumes to me.

[@ChickenShackIRL]

I noticed the same thing. Everytime Bobby would start talking, Marvin would can whatever he was talking about and give him his full attention. Very commendable

[@jithmaljayasekera2816]

remember, anyone fears much more than they respect, an old man in a profession where men die young

[@GRT1005]

@@ChickenShackIRL Exactly that 👍🏼

[@The_Northerner]

Yes, though Bobby kept interrupting Marvin though.

[@Vestu]

It seemed to go both ways. A great video and conversation.

[@Th3_Bad_6uy]

Putting these two men in a room together was an act of genius. From different backgrounds but both ended up in very similar lives and mindsets.

[@Junkhead91]

Genius? You're easily impressed

[@sludgerat444]

@@Junkhead91 who hurt u JD

[@danepher]

@@sludgerat444 nah genius is a powerful word, and it's not used rightly here

[@sludgerat444]

@@danepher it's KZbin brother who gives

[@Goatedkillr]

Is this Franklin and Michael from GTA

[@Chironofolympus]

Any man claiming he’s not a gangster but does crime and wears a suit and is as cool and calm as this man is usually highly dangerous

[@Stierenkloot]

Straight out of a guy Ritchie movie

[@krob2327]

Glamourising crime

[@picketf]

I could literally fill in the bits he omitted from his regret story: Yeah, the guy seemed like he'd open his mouth about the things he saw that other night, so I went to his place to rough him up. How was I to know that guy would choke on his breakfast in that dimly lit alley? Story literally came full circle: corrupt copper set him up, his biggest regret - doing the same to an innocent figure along the way.

[@rachelsl4492]

True it is always the quiet one, not the ones mouthing off that they'll "f@*k you up," as they never do.

[@RuSosan]

All the worst crimes committed on this earth are done by people in suits.

[@feyr73]

I think what's most striking is the fact Bobby went from kinda guarded in the beginning, still reading the room, still reading Marvin, to being warm and friendly because he realised the two of them speak the same language. They've been through similar things, similar trials, and can relate to one another. It's quite striking. I wouldn't be surprised if they struck up a good friendship after this interview.

[@Offcial.a1]

i love how marvin becomes a little kid again and seems genuinely happy to see bobby

[@tommodobbo3475]

When they said goodbye Marv almost said it as if Bobby had came onto his podcast like he owned it, did anyone else notice that? Marv always talks about himself to much but it does seem like he's trying to stop

[@therealghandi9800]

Its might his adhd, its easier to talk about yourself when your nervous with adhd

[@cameronmark8732]

He’s a dirty grooming nonce

[@myname-mz3lo]

hes heard stories of bobby when he was young. he was honnored

[@Jay44v]

@@tommodobbo3475 the whole point of the video is about them 2 telling us their past.. who else is he gonna talk about 🤣🤣

[@ljsg-selfimprovement1262]

Marvins story is insane , he survived gunshots to the eye, forehead , other places and he’s been through so much overall, this should stop any criminal or teenager who is paving their way of similar stuff, whether it’s knifes or violence overall

[@startedskating86]

He is a well known fantasist. He did get shot but his stories of earning millions is totally made up.

[@GhostGravyGaming]

He was known as more of a nitty on the streets from what i've heard, not much of a gangster but was involved.

[@auffq]

@@GhostGravyGaming millionaire nitty

[@thatexitsignuser]

@@GhostGravyGaming he's basically that in and out gang member

[@tshelby5212]

Knives

[@chengchu7501]

I love how it starts as "Bobby" and "Marvin" and as they talk, it slowly becomes "Marv" and "Bobs" between them. Absolutely amazing

[@Growdankmeds]

These two have already met, if you find Marv's channel he interviews Bobby on one of his videos

[@airriflereviews4547]

@Yulds well don't ask for it and work hard stop expecting things for nothing do something for it!

[@jackcarter05]

@@airriflereviews4547 it’s not really that easy is it

[@sku36]

@Yulds begging is not the way...

[@airriflereviews4547]

@@jackcarter05 if it was easy everyone would be doing it stop begging

[@longshot879]

marvin shows so much respect, there was several times when he says something when bobby is mid story but stops as soon as bobby starts speaking. love to see it

[@aintbeenhome2105]

Ladbible is honestly one of the best transformations the internet has seen. From posting stupid funny vids sent to them on Facebook to hosting some of the best raw interviews going around. Great stuff as always. Edit: I guess I'm really talking about the interviews they showcase and pop up in my feed, they definitely do have a lot of trash on here still, but credit where credit's due for creating some genuinely good content.

[@MrMrgetbad]

Couldn't of said it better myself 👏🏿

[@thebodykeepsthescore2828]

@@MrMrgetbad "Couldn't of said it better myself" I beg to differ...😬 "Couldnt 'have' said it better myself! 😁

[@JR-yh6ck]

@@thebodykeepsthescore2828 have a day off mate this isn’t grammar school

[@JaySlay69]

@@JR-yh6ck "have a day off mate this isn’t grammar school" I beg to differ... 😬 "Have a day off, mate. This isn't grammar school." 😁

[@alicemaxs4870]

One of the dumbest maybe, just chasing what's popular. Don't call yourself ladbible then try to be the ted talk. Like setting up a hospital clinic in a circus.

[@doodlemaster5295]

I like how Bobby goes from calling him "Marvin", to calling him "Marv" in the same episode. I feel like I just watched a friendship being born

[@FrostyyOnTop]

Ay fr 😂

[@MikeTangMoke]

And then “Marvellous” at the end very endearing

[@baronsaturday9529]

@@MikeTangMokeMarvellous Marv :)

[@Rqxy]

They already were close friends

[@jaradtrout140]

@@danbrioli5710 one last job lol

[@byHexted]

Having the subtitles is very useful. This is how you help people understand different cultures, not like talking down on them for not already knowing all your slang, but actually helping them learn what it means

[@dave5194]

Absolutely, loved the context given for the slang, especially

[@recursion.]

But they don't do the same

[@yourmomshouse5138]

You suck at listening, comprehension, and context clues

[@laurenanderson7330]

@@recursion. who’s they?

[@maxfullerton5228]

@@yourmomshouse5138 Do you feel better now ? I know you are hurt. But that doesn't give you the right to talk this way to anybody. I am sure u feel safe enough to act in this manner behind a screen but in the real world you would get punched in the mouth. I hope you grow up one day, man. I don't hate you. Not everybody hates you.

[@pastapirate]

There is something extraordinarily powerful about Marvin, who was literally shot in the face, saying the lowest point and THE turning point in his life was his son saying he didn't love him.

[@dipooktama935]

A bullet had pierced his body but his son's word is the bullet that wounded him

[@patstoodley9933]

“If you’re gonna eat the meal, you’ve gotta prepare for the bill” wild mentality man. These old school criminals are a different breed! What an interesting an honest convo

[@snavisTM]

😆 what are you on about? If you do the crime be prepared to do the time? Was true back in the day as it is now.. unless you're trying to sit here and tell us criminals back in the day we're more eager to do time for their crimes?

[@Bruvwavy]

@@snavisTM lol I swear people romanticize anything these days 💀

[@finished6267]

@@snavisTM not anymore. No more code.

[@khalid8185]

Invest in Shiba instead of doing crime

[@revenge3210]

@@khalid8185 lol shiba, as if its a good cryptocurrency. It is down in value as of now

[@brookeethier7279]

“I’m not a gangster” immediately followed by the most gangster sentence ever Edit: my boyfriend made this comment and I showed him how many likes his comment got he got happy for a second then was like "I THOUGHT I WAS LOGGED INTO MY ACCOUNT WHEN I COMMENTED" and then I laughed cause I stole his likes so thank you all;)

[@followingtheroe1952]

He was playing the game like Stringer Bell

[@superfoo8258]

Bro was old school

[@devhill8166]

I was a business man doing business

[@drtenma3744]

Directed by Guy Ritchie

[@observer7782]

This felt like a guy richie movie

[@phoenixtalon100]

The thing I respect about Bobby so much is despite living a life of crime he clearly has true honor. He looks at the world, sees things like drugs being sold to minors with the intent of abusing them and he says "No. None of that, I won't allow that to happen." - and when the father tries to give him money, rather than taking it he gives a half payment to make the father feel like he's not owing a debt, while refusing to take money. This is a man who cares about the future, who despite his rough history still would do the right thing when it involved civilians. what a legend.

[@joshball8674]

What?😂

[@miestaslahundokajhundohava4392]

@@GregorioStyreco you know, that’s a millennial thing to treat every single person as good and evil. A world of black and white. How original…

[@miaa7968]

@@GregorioStyreco Actually it's a developmentally stunted thing to not understand nuance and that humans and the world aren't black or white. I don't respect crime or killing, not even the death penalty, but I can acknowledge that Bobby himself is human. Being stuck in the othering mentality with no critical thought is very primitive of you.

[@XxWolfxWaRioRxX]

Honour is the one thing modern gangsters seem to lack and why I'll never take them seriously... Well that and thier lingo that stuff is just funny

[@maher7361]

@@miestaslahundokajhundohava4392 bro what are trying to say? The man is stil a criminel, whatever he did to make himself look good, the damage has been done, and its big af, the funny fucking thing is if he was the reason why one of your loved ones got killed, u would be cursing the shit out of him, he is a criminel, he is still a bad person.

[@apjtv2540]

There's a quote that I often think fits this story: "Pain doesn't make people. It's love that makes people." These men couldn't be stopped by any amount of pain or violence. But love could. It's cliché as hell, but it's true.

[@donutrangerr]

Bobby literally turned his life around, found a new purpose and earn an OBE. And Marv, being from one of the most gruesome hitman into a protector of vulnerable children. What a gigachad. God bless these men.

[@c_n_b]

You can't erase the things you've done. If they killed people, they will pay the price 🔥

[@spicyherb001]

I think this gentleman inspire what they write on the last episode of Peaky Blinders

[@rabbit0164]

@@c_n_b now how fair of a life is that? We all make mistakes but ehat better way to mend that than to change your life around

[@gelo2221]

@@rabbit0164 the people they killed can’t change their life

[@ScoobyandShaggy5554]

@@c_n_b if they seek The Lord and ask for forgiveness they will be forgiven

[@colebeejack3898]

It's kinda crazy how often you see people fighting on reality TV or people who have everything given or spoonfed to them turn out to be incredibly rotten, but the people who have done terrible things and hit awful lowpoints in their lives can come together to have civil conversations and show how much they've changed for the better.

[@Chucky1249]

When you hit such lowpoints you can only go up

[@nathanj2439]

Those who have seen the darkest places have seen the brightest light and often strive to climb high enough to oneday touch it oneday.

[@michaelreiter503]

Cole… ummm bro… Did you just sum up the whole point of what has been going on, has needed to happen, thank god it’s happening and for the love of god would somebody please make this into a childrens book and then carved into the epitaph of all the bullshit this man just cut through 🧐

[@novu6196]

The only people who knows what goodness is are who experienced it in their darkest times. Bullied kids will most likely turn out to be awesome ppl because they know how it feels to be thrown down and kicked in the dirt. Ppl who grew up in poverty will appreciate life and hard work more and won't be swayed by money easily

[@boerepompie8244]

The replies are corny af

[@TheGreySanctuary]

Marvin is wholesome, he deserves a movie (if that doesn't bother him). Full of personality and quirks, he is quite a character himself, from raw anger to patience and transitional.

[@wesleyjohnson1983]

they better keep Marvin's cool hairdo.

[@ISGTC]

I believe you haven't seen Davros kidnap guy in Mr.Inbetween. Check it out, it's a Gem.

[@anthonymcken6050]

No he does not. He is just another person who was born into tragic arrangement and from there he had little or no chance in life.

[@daftbanna7202]

He's a fucking criminal yeah

[@Jack-wx8wi]

or he's just nuerotic from taking too many drugs at such a young age.

[@Phrixphrox]

Two charismatic, intelligent men, but who also have the ability to look back at their lives, to recognise and acknowledge the mistakes they made and the wrongs that they did. Not many people can do this.

[@timbomb374]

As a parent those lowest points hit me hard. You can be as tough as you like when you're alone but when you have a kid you begin to realise how much you are actually capable of feeling.

[@samuelpersico]

not mentioning being a criminal with a son/daughter

[@ashura5221]

As a healthcare worker, I can really appreciate that Marvin's response to learning that Bobby's daughter died was "I can imagine.". Year one of nursing studies (those studies didn't work out for me but I still work in healthcare in a different sector), that's exactly what we were taught. When dealing with a grieving individual, you will *never* understand how they feel. So you're response should never be "I understand" but "I can imagine" or "I can relate" if you've experienced a similar experience to those experiencing the grief. If you haven't had a similar experience, just don't imply you can possibly relate and definitely don't say you can understand regardless of what you're personal experience may have been.

[@mareksicinski3726]

Well, it is a bit of a question of sematnics, regarding what example is meant by understand There are different kinds of 'understanding', the point is what is it that you understand

[@JH-xv1bw]

No one asked you

[@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692]

@@mareksicinski3726 When someone is griefing like that they don't think rationally, so it's more than semantics.

[@Sambochini]

Interesting that that's what they teach... When you think about mental health issues and things like that one of the biggest traps for one is to believe that no one can understand how you feel and that you're alone in your suffering when in reality many many people go through the same things.

[@ashura5221]

@@Sambochini They may go through the same thing but the point is that not everyone reacts to the situation the same way or experiences the same feelings or the same intensity of feelings. Difference in how people experience and express grief aside, saying "I understand" could be perceived as downplaying their feelings since it's basically reminding them that they aren't the only one to have faced loss. Which in that moment, probably not very helpful.

[@MrMisanthrope84]

Bobby Cummings what a character. Only gentleman in Britain with a 10 man unlock. What a genuine transformation too. A young kid thrown into an absurd life of crime who clawed out of it and saved his soul and has been trying to redeem his sins with good work ever since.

[@PizzaManIsHere]

It's not cummings tho it's cummins 😂

[@araweelospirit4180]

And he is so tiny. Now that’s a hard man if ever I saw one

[@kagekao6933]

@@PizzaManIsHere 😂

[@MaidenlessActivites]

10 man unlock???

[@user-qe5gs6fb8p]

@@MaidenlessActivites they did explain in the video but it’s 10 guards in riot gear to unlock your cell and move you about the prison cause you can’t be trusted not to take one of them hostage.

[@gzbanazir]

This was crazy to watch. Really makes me believe that people can change with the right support.

[@MrShandy123]

And the desire to change.

[@PALACIO254]

People can change for the better and the worse a loving father/mother can turn into a horrible monster and likewise an evil person could turn into a saint it's a roll of the dice sometimes

[@ducite9943]

The support isn't the thing that is needed. Its the belief and the desire.

[@12th.jahlil]

People are malleable and dynamic, same as a man or woman can kill and rape, they can also lead and protect. Its all about how they came up and how much they understand and their resources

[@freeman4real]

There is just SOMETHING that happens when two people who used to be criminals and I mean real proper criminals come together after a few years out of the game that is palpable & I could feel it in this interview

[@mysmirandam.6618]

Yup

[@chadfreakinL]

I did not want that to come to an end. laughed out loud a few times and almost broke down in tears a few times. Respect to Marvin and Bobby.

[@dariogreggio7981]

RESPECT???

[@Vincentoist]

Respect? You what?

[@user-sx4qu4dz9z]

@@Vincentoist Uh, he respects the man they became? It’s not rocket science you weirdo

[@SibrenFetter]

It was very interesting for sure, but respect no. Both guys made the clear choice to actively destroy other people's lives. And they are still proud of it so they learned nothing really.

[@chadfreakinL]

@@SibrenFetter Valid point. Maybe you have more insight into these two men than I do but solely from this video, yes, respect. I respect what it takes to turn a selfish life into one of kindness.

[@socialjusticewarrior2316]

The damage that copper caused by fitting Bobby up. Literally sent him into a lifetime of crime. Sickening

[@Hello-there120]

I wonder if they ever 'crossed paths' later on in life?

[@raven-a]

Coppers don't do that... 😆

[@Dude-1887]

@@CoolGutrun I think he was quoting the gangster lol

[@kierenkd]

You're only hearing one side

[@raven-a]

@@CoolGutrun Did you learn that insult in school? lmao

[@GabrielGarcia-jd6up]

Bobby is the most dangerous type of individual there is. A calm, collected, and calculated criminal mastermind.. Willing to do anything and go very far to protect and provide for his family and loved ones. And on top of that wanting to be the best in his respective field..

[@hendricka3029]

Marv‘s reflection on his own insecurities and how he was perfect to be groomed takes either a high amount of good therapy or an amount of insight that not many people have.

[@samlah2319]

when u get higher in the game u need to groom others and thats when he probably had the realization.

[@strongbongus]

a lot of time in a cell gives you that insight. unfortunately that’s what it takes for some folks (myself included) to get that sort of realization.

[@bigguy7353]

The therapy racket keeps you a victim for life, so not that.

[@edwardking9359]

​@@bigguy7353 That's just not true. Therapy is just for dealing with a huge range of complex issues, some of which are a lot harder to deal with than others. Plus, chronic mental conditions requiring therapy for the rest of your life is no different from chronic physical illnesses requriong treatment for the rest of your life.

[@leimmoss]

“Id never let anyone go near me with a blade. She might go, ‘gotcha’” had me rolling 😭

[@younesmohssen8158]

That part had me dying. Surprised nobody else mentioned it😂

[@federico8496]

bro is still active 24/7💀

[@lazaruslong697]

Knowing her great sense of humour, I would not be surprised if she have actually done that. ;) Rest in peace, Elisabeth.

[@tyronejagers5577]

Yeah right at the end man's turned over a leaf, ol Lizzy's just like nah mate you thought I forgot???

[@c.t.martin3915]

At the end of the day, these two gentlemen contributed to an unimaginable amount of pain and torment - and clearly for innocent people too. Their stories are fascinating and respect to what they've become when leaving that world behind. However, it's clear they still cling onto some form of ego, a little proud of what they've done.

[@Swyfts]

I slightly agree, I also think they just enjoy each others company since it might be a little hard to find someone that understands you and has shared similar experiences in crime. Especially being able to come out the other side after 40+ years of crime.

[@itspart]

Agreed 👍

[@juliuscaesar5593]

They don’t get no respect from me! I know people really well that have lived a life of major crime and they can’t stand the life the used to live and don’t even like to speak of it and never do! These 2 clearly can’t let go of it and probably wish they was still involved

[@lukeshaw3375]

@@juliuscaesar5593 @Julius Caesar Marvin now tries to stop kids from going down that route he went down also this is literally of two gangsters come to speak about their old life's what was you expecting?

[@juliuscaesar5593]

@@lukeshaw3375 I wasn’t expecting nothing pal I’ve seen them plenty of times before but it’s not hard to see how proud they are and don’t want to let go all I’m saying is they don’t get no ratings off me

[@elfiefromangelcity6142]

Bobby starting over again in his 40's gives me hope. The worst thing I've ever done is get a speeding ticket. I'm in my early 40's still trying to figure the career thing out, and hoping my husband and I can get a house within the next few years. So if he can do it, maybe I can too.

[@polymerizedrecords]

You can definitely do it. I have no questions about it. I believe in you! Wish you guys the best.

[@_helmi]

Hmmm. You're right about Bobby. I'm rooting for you and myself to start over after a huge setback in life 💪🏻

[@DryGumOnTheSideWalk]

I hope you get that house, We all need a win now and again. :)

[@paulmurden7621]

I could listen to these two for hours. So honest and mind blowing stories. Good on them for sorting themselves out.

[@jahaanelliott805]

You can see how much respect marv has for Bobby he never once interrupted or spoke over him even tho you could see he had something he wanted to say

[@jonathanvilla7280]

Bc there's no school like the old school and unlike most people these days the younger kids have no respect. These guys aren't saints but this is an open look into the life of crime and where it leads.

[@n1mm11]

The visual contrast here is really cool. Marvin with the afro and trackies on, Bobby with the suit. New vs Old School

[@user.10.]

@Yulds Stop being so annoying and maybe, just maybe you could actually make it. Fucking hell.

[@trhoades2063]

Marvin's not the new school but he's definitely a different generation to bobby

[@martyrx3436]

A tracky doesn’t mean “new school”😂. Tell me you haven’t been about without telling me you haven’t been about…

[@NoirFan84]

@@martyrx3436 All right, calm down Tony Soprano.

[@martyrx3436]

@@NoirFan84 It’s not that at all. I’m not a criminal lol. I just know that wearing a tracksuit doesn’t make you “new school”. Guys have been wearing tracksuits since the 70s/80s…

[@ViaKarelia]

Marvin is basically The Courier from Fallout New Vegas. Shot in the face two times and still going strong.

[@Lechron_Flames]

One way to think about it lol

[@darthinvader]

Probably took an arrow to the knee as well

[@BoogyMushrooms]

That handshake when Bobby pointed out they were both idiots in the past, haha. That's two men who are not only proud to have evolved beyond their pasts, but embrace, and utilize it to grow.

[@MikeTangMoke]

The part where Marvin talks about his son finding out through the papers what kind of monster his dad was struck a nerve. When my dad was arrested as he was cuffed I didn’t want to touch him when he tried to hug at me. I think on that now and how it must of affected him. He took his life months after he was arrested. That was 20 years ago when I was still at school

[@Coach_Martyn]

Hey man, I hope you don't bang yourself up too hard about it. You were right to feel how you felt at that moment. No matter what, he was your dad and you are his child and I believe he was happy to have you in his life. Hope you are doing well today

[@MikeTangMoke]

@@Coach_Martyn Thanks, you’d think almost two decades of time would heal the wounds but the affect on the family was devastating and no one has really recovered. Of his 3 children all but me are criminals/drug addicts. I was fortunate being so young at the time as it really affected my older siblings a lot worse!

[@StressNmeowt]

@@MikeTangMoke sorry to hear about your old man.. I lost my uncle to suicide over a year ago and dealing with the after affects of trying to keep everything together when COVID was at its peak and then me dealing with severe fentanyl addiction throughout all of this, was kinda just the boiling point for all of it.. and to finally start to get outta that hole of addiction, I'm trying to be more connected with my family because me and others have been lacking. I feel like a lot of people are going through this. Stay safe bro

[@Sernival]

@@cannabiskidz4561 nah i asked stfu

[@henrianthony9075]

Why wouldn’t you want to hug your own father? This is a society that feeds off of disconnecting the father from home

[@garretisla5282]

Man, this needs to be a nationally syndicated tv show. This is so fascinating, watching the animation of their faces as they reminisce about past crimes, both good and bad, and share a mutual understanding of both the law and the lawless, the struggle and success, the highs and lows of living a life on the edge. It would be interesting to have an American and a British gangster, and see how that discussion goes!

[@blackpilledchad1927]

Yeah make them rich, why not?

[@robsonhealy7297]

There would be a massive cultural difference!

[@garretisla5282]

@Joe Correia I don't know.. I think that given their newfound publicity, coupled with the organizations that both men work with, I think that these two have probably made amends with the people, or relatives of the people that they have affected. Now, as to whether or not they were forgiven, only they know that. But I'm pretty sure they have done their due, and have made strides towards reparations for those they wronged.

[@ThatsNotMyArm]

@@blackpilledchad1927 Marvin is a personal trainer and life coach, and Booby has a fucking OBE and runs an international charity, I doubt either of them are struggling regardless

[@blackpilledchad1927]

@@ThatsNotMyArm Having a OBE doesn't erase killing somebody

[@dylandalrymple]

This gave me hope that people do change. I watched both of these men's interviews separately before and knowing how the man on the left was raised and abused by his father gives and the life he lived and to see him the way he is now is nothing short of a miracle

[@vangoghsseveredear]

I've also been involved in drugs and crime, and when they mention "I used to think I was sensible" is hilarious. I couldn't imagine living how I used to live now. It's hard believing now, that that was me

[@jingalls9142]

So many of us out here have the same thought. Retrospect is a hell of a thing. I'd really like to have a pint with these two. Especially Marv, I'd love to have a conversation with him.

[@STSGuitar16]

Well no wonder you can’t believe that that was you, you used to be attached to Van Gogh’s head, mate, now you’re just a severed ear!

[@rida_brahim]

I wasn't a gangster i didn't sell drugs, i was nice but very aggressive because i lived in a hood and even thugs feared me and i walked the streets like a king, i too can't believe i was like that now i live in a decent place with decent people everything from the past looks like wth i was doing

[@MrColdwilliam]

I think the exact same thing.

[@De_La_Crush93]

K......

[@seangearhart4616]

Really hit me when he said his lowest point was when he said his son told him he didnt love him.......I had a similar thing happen and I never thought, ever, that anyones words could be so innocent and so painful. It changed me in some ways almost overnight. I could not keep on like I was.

[@somedonkus69420]

Glad you changed brother ♥

[@Odis78-w7v]

I’m not a gangster I’m a business man and business is crime. What an opening line 💯

[@obi-wankenobi8446]

@bssni touir and both cretins of society

[@keepitreal897]

That's a cop out for being a crook

[@keepitreal897]

@7Y8 or a shady criminal of any nationality lol

[@PIVITDUB]

the constant eye contact gave me chills, u can tell they really feel for one another and their lessons learned . this is what struggle and overcoming difficulties like true originals. this is a great video. thank u for this.

[@jrvrmxnd0]

Introducing yourself as a “businessman who’s business was crime” has gotta be the hardest thing to hear yet intimidating if you know what he brings to the table

[@jaybeecov3109]

I find these guys so friggin captivating, sharing their life journeys regardless of how dark and gruesome it got is such an thought provoking but truly intriguing story to hear.. got the upmost respect for them both.. ✊🏽

[@alexwatson9595]

The older guy story is really interesting the way he got into this life was by being f***** over by the people who are supposed to protect them and then what brought him back was losing his daughter something so terrible reminded him individual pain and what your actions can do to people it's a really good life story in the way that there's a lesson to be taken from it

[@andrewkescenovitz202]

It's a life of crime, if he got fuccked over then it's his fault for allowing them to fuck him over. too bad so sad

[@mellahnix777]

Does anyone notice we all hear of the Sicilian Irish and Italian mob we NEVER HEAR OF THE FIRMS and I'm soooo interested in they're mindset and how to apply it to my life for legal success

[@drakaba]

Thomas shelby

[@DatGitGhaz]

@@mellahnix777 applying it to your life is not the path to success. That's the whole point of this interview. There's nothing in that life for you

[@snavisTM]

Seems like if we're actually being 100% honest what got him pinched was his mouth.. what he got into after that was all on him.

[@afterburn2600]

You can immediately tell these two have very different styles, but the mutual respect they show each other mixed with their mutual understanding of each other's worlds is palpable.

[@urmomgay0166]

they share the same world but occupy different positions within it

[@therandommusingsofred2340]

Bobby's hands shaking at the end talking about the innocent dying is the most real part of the whole interview

[@beeafron]

It's crazy because I always feel sorry for these criminals,I always see a little boy that's lost in life and turns to crime,quite sad really but a beautiful ending as they realise crime isn't the way, I wish them both well in life I really do

[@terrancewilliams9209]

bro was addicted to herion at 11 the fact he’s alive is amazing

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

@@terrancewilliams9209 heroin messes your psychology up.

[@cam9464]

@@magnuscritikaleak5045 it messes up everything

[@M3l_0N666]

I wouldnt go as far as saying that normal life is the way either. Because look at society as a whole, what we are doing is bull, and the rich don't obide by the law but everyone else has to conform to the grind and live menial lives. I envy these guys because at least they were free, they were their own authority, under nobody's boot heal. And in some way, I don't agree with their change. Like giving up because the more powerful criminals don't like competition. I hate bullies, just like Bobby, I'd cut them to ribbons without mercy, but I don't see normal society as free and innocent and void of bullies either, I don't see it as the good it pretends to be, therefore I don't see it as right. Because remember norms are made up, people freely talk about corrupt governments and corporations, and almost every aspect of our lives is influenced by these entities, people know it, but nobody is willing to stick it to em. Society's complacency is a threat to our existence. And I won't count myself as someone who sat by and did nothing about it. Rolling over and turning the other cheak, is for the delusional.

[@Jinz3]

We're all cogs in the wheels of the system

[@brandenbizelli6332]

LadBible is one of the only channels like this I trust. You guys let them speak. You don’t push any narratives. It’s just people having an interesting conversation. Love it

[@roofcake8951]

I really like the only time he jumped it was to laugh at their jokes and do the math to figure out how long Bobby was in the game. Other than that, the staff remain completely silent and I like that.

[@londonchats4031]

The man in the suit is fu**ing organized. I have seen his multiple podcasts and interviews, his stories unfold the same. Word to word, line to line. Simply amazing 👏

[@bushratbeachbum]

The respect, love and understanding between these two is beautiful. Such different characters in so many ways, but true kindred spirits regardless. Absolutely wonderful. Thank you Marvin and Bobby for sharing your stories. May you both be happy and content for the rest of your days.

[@KangTheDigitalNomad]

They are not different.....they will do to you what they knew WAS ACCESSIBLE. YOU HEAR THEM...THEY WANTED NOT SOME OF THE MONEY AND FAME....THEY WANTED ALL OF IT

[@bushratbeachbum]

@@KangTheDigitalNomad different personalities, from different eras. Theres layers to a person.

[@oliviasayers3093]

marvin is so cute he listens so well and his little giggles during bobbys stories

[@whoknows7992]

About time he listened instead of butting in

[@anthonymcken6050]

You invite home and let him live with you.

[@lurky595]

It’s called being briefed on media training

[@sasquatchtv4157]

It’s the respect

[@mistermatix8241]

Little giggles? They inflicted misery during their crime sprees, and untold horror.

[@kerch-e]

That was captivating to the last moment. I loved how at the end it feels like they're not just embracing each other, but each others humanity.

[@LeftLaneDreams]

@Yulds My goal is to stop you

[@julesj77]

The respect between them both is very touching.

[@shawnrosler2408]

I just lost my father on 5/12, and hearing Bobby describe how personal a loss experience is was beyond cathartic, and for sure tear-inducing. This whole video, dark as the subject matter might be, was heartwarming. The kindness and humanity you can clearly see on both gentlemen only comes by way of profound loss and trauma. Thank you for sharing this.

[@fleeb3362]

sending regards

[@boiledelephant]

It's mad how different police behaviour is between rural and urban areas. I'm in a rural area and the police are lovely. That story about planting evidence isn't even surprising next to half of what I've read about the met.

[@Laura-sg6ss]

Lovely... to who?

[@elcapone8329]

police are different now. back in bobbys day they was the #1 gang

[@jerryrawlings8885]

boiledelephant back in the 70's they used bang you out in the street tell you to take their badge number and still get away with it c**nts.

[@Laura-sg6ss]

@@elcapone8329 they still are, they're just a tiny bit more subtle. They had to adapt with the time. At the end of the day, it's authority and they still abuse it regardless. People act like that when they get a bit of power. Especially when they don't have the desire to understand different people or have compassion. That culture within the police is still there. So no "back in..." no. It's now.

[@martyrx3436]

@@elcapone8329 As someone from the Newham, I can tell you that the police aren’t any different lol…

[@diwally9199]

The amount of respect marv has for bobby is insane. You can see how he holds back not to talk over bobby etc. Insane

[@yngvebalmsteen9174]

Yet they were both in crime for over 40 years? I can't quite picture how the time table works.

[@aversiac-2]

@@yngvebalmsteen9174 It's ok, not everyone is competent

[@nickb6618]

@@yngvebalmsteen9174 some make it way higher then others.

[@okitasan]

@@yngvebalmsteen9174 one just started far younger than the other

[@LoveBagpipes]

He explains himself as a person who wanted to please bigger, more powerful people...this is probably just a continuation of that personality trait

[@zed4225]

Love, strength and respect to both Marv and Bobby. Seriously great interview, Should be shown in schools. This is education for a world rife with drugs and corruption. Not enough love and caring for others, and too much judgment.

[@numeirkassis9082]

Mad respect to both of them for having the courage to turn their life around after only knowing crime for most of their lives… I hope they inspire others to do the same

[@dylanmcintyre6080]

Bobby tells a full story of what he did then straight after “allegedly, because I didn’t do these things”

[@LKeet6]

@nase jones you actually think that wasn't real? 🤣

[@proudtobeageordie2926]

Have to say allegedly to crimes he may have committed due to unsolved cases ect

[@hebisty4163]

You need to say allegedly because the UK has no statute of limitations like a lot of other countries. Basically there is no point in time where it has been too many years to convict you for a crime.

[@padatricks1561]

These are just crimes that happend that I had no connection to I just remember it impeccably

[@pigpig252]

Other people have said it but man, enormous respect Ladbible. You guys have shown just how good this platform can be. Going from a facebook meme group to doing some of the most fascinating interviews I've ever seen. Great stuff

[@Wacko40k]

I love the growing mutual respect between these two you can see the friendship growing as they speak

[@rbrookstx]

When he talks about his daughter passing away. It just crushed me. I can’t relate to specifics, but I can relate to the feeling of my lowest, most tragic moment ever. He’s right btw. Grief is humanizing and it’s a level set for reality.

[@zed4225]

No amount of money can give you health/life. Death levels us, regardless of what 'class' you are. To outlive your child is one of the worst things to have to live with. My heart hurts for humanity and the hard roads we all endure

[@jonsupro9135]

"I drank the whole bottle and didn't get pissed, it was that emotional." Maaan I know that so well. The grief and anxiety just rips right through you

[@2low200]

I love mark's answer to the regret question. truly beautiful how people who were so deep in this level of darkness can recover and grow so effectively.

[@PinkTubeSox]

The amount of respect between these two and the interest in each other's story is pretty dope to see

[@Syren90...Aka9]

If I could hug Marvin knowing what he's been through, I would. He's paid his penance and is still standing. In no way shape or form does he deserve excuses, but he has earned some type of positive release away from pain. May he get that release one day.

[@rawdrywall8212]

I love these two's interaction. Honest, surreal, actual communication.

[@finnolive8933]

I've met Bobby, we was staying in the same hotel and bumped into him when I went for a roll up... had no clue of who he was. Can say he's a proper gentleman... ended up having a couple drinks with him as he was impressed I didn't ask for a picture! The evening came to an end and he wanted a picture of us.... peep the profile pic 🤣 one of them story's ill tell my kid

[@grenli6443]

Crazy story that haha , would love to meet him

[@akdzmon9309]

That’s wassup man did he tell you his story while y’all were drinking or did y’all just enjoy the moment ?

[@dajay2k]

Sick bro

[@finnolive8933]

@@akdzmon9309 over drinks, ill be honest I was 50/50 on if he was proper 🤣

[@akdzmon9309]

@@finnolive8933 it be like that sometimes 😂

[@Cray2TheZ]

The kindness they both show each other and the hug at the end. Loved it!

[@AlexADalton]

This is an amazing segment. These guys are humans like anyone else - with feelings, with a story and history...with human hearts. Its easy to get on the wrong path, especially when you're from a bad area. I'm glad these guys get the chance to live, and reflect on what made them go down their path.

[@Sontiacsathar]

They didnt steal a bit of cash, or sell drugs on a corner, they both talked about fucking killing people. How are all these comments supportive?? They are monsters

[@bigdadddyd123]

@@Sontiacsathar because everyone has done something to deserve to die anyone can justify anything

[@afsmapping6092]

@@Sontiacsathar *were

[@PhoenixFires]

The thing is neither of them seem particularly reprehensible beyond forgiveness. Not rapists or pedophiles or human traffickers or torturers. They killed and threatened those who were also in the game and robbed people. But they seem particularly bothered by killing innocents, which is not something all hardened criminals share.

[@archlectoryarvi2873]

@@Sontiacsathar I think it's bcos they've (allegedly) turned away from that stuff and most ppl love a good redemption story

[@jace7g]

It’s so nice to see two different generations of people connected on a universal plane of action and thought. I truly believe that American criminals would not get along if they were separated by age or time period in this way, in a non criminal setting Edit: I cannot verify this I am not a gangster in the USA

[@crackedhammer4612]

I think it would’ve been better if they brought in a younger English gangster rather than Frankenstein’s monster

[@lordbenis7948]

@@crackedhammer4612 you’re rude asf dawg

[@edie9158]

@@crackedhammer4612 One minor problem, a younger English gangster is either in jail doing time like they've done, or in the same mindset and if they took the offer would be sent to jail for the crimes they'd done.

[@jessicashelley05]

so youre a gangster where 🤨 /j

[@PhoenixFires]

American gangs have a very complex and strange network of alliances. There's the Neo Nazis, the bikers, the Mafia, the Bloods and Crips, MS13, the prison-specific gangs, Triad, Yakuza, Canadian Mafia, Irish Mob, Russian mob and Bratva, etc. All typically focused on ethnicity and being outsiders in their own ways. Get two from the same gang though or two reformed convicts and they'd probably get on just fine.

[@alessiagaming94]

the thing I noticed while watching this video was when they were discussing what was their lowest point/highest point. Both gentlemen couldn’t pick one obvious high point but, both EASILY and heartbreakingly picked one obvious low points in their lives. Hats off to Ladbible for making great content!

[@b.3015]

“It was in you, but you didn’t know it was in you” Beautiful

[@LaharlTheGod]

This is a really thought-provoking interview. It’s beautiful to humanize these men, as they are just like anyone else, but they have committed horrific crimes. I enjoy watching them and feeling totally enamored by their demeanors. Life is strange and beautiful. Embrace the human experience people. It’s never too late.

[@Kevatron-qk9op]

This is so real. There is no darkness. There is only the absence of light. These two are legend, and have found the light again. What an amazing interview! Life is not black and white.

[@yourface07]

I remember when LADBible was in its infancy, posting a Lad speech every Friday to morale boost lads around the UK to get steaming, pull birds and party safe. Interesting to see it’s growth and maturation over the years.

[@cine-ish]

Ladbible posted cringe for so fucking long

[@agentscott96]

We’ve matured with it, so it’s the boys now it’s the men

[@zhaoliang4217]

Not a native English speaker, so might be my fault. But I could not understand most of what you said. Pull a bird? Get Steaming? For context know it can’t be about cooking. Can guess “lad” hear in context means adult criminal, not young boy.

[@Tank1711]

@@zhaoliang4217 lad is just a man, normally late teens, early 20's. pull a bird means to go out and end up in bed with a woman, get steaming is get very drunk

[@Flammable]

@@zhaoliang4217 British slang, a native who isn't British wouldn't even get it, like me

[@smxkingalonebeats2895]

Marvin recognizing Bobby's work and that it essentially made his life after crime possible is cool to watch. He said he looked up to criminals like Bobby when he was younger, now he's looking up to Bobby as a role model to change his life for the better.

[@ispeakmucho]

You can tell the respect they have for each other's life journey. Being from NY, I recognize these types of guys from their eyes. Great discussion on turning your life around

[@asm9392]

Marvin is one of the most real and honest people I have heard speak about a life of crime

[@paulgee5998]

Awesome to see these men turn their lives around, really shows some insight into how people go down this road, Marvins abuse at the hands of his father was horrific.

[@BlackAttackGo]

I'm 11 months late and only 3.5 minutes into this video and I'm already impressed with the way Mr. Herbert appears to actively listen. Despite all he's done in his past and all he's gone through its refreshing to see that he appears to have a genuine interest in what Mr. Cummines says.

[@WhitePony-zu5pi]

These guys could easily be a main character in a Guy Ritchie movie. Love their candor and mutual respect. They both know they’re dangerous so there’s no posturing to one another.

[@rrkoeshartinah7514]

Yup, i think these guys are the inspiration for the characters in "Snatch"

[@andyzillla4133]

Get these two back for a longer one. Loved this

[@kylefettes4662]

Marvin interviewed Bobby on his podcast, these two are actually good friends. Bobby was the one who got Marv out of crime

[@andyzillla4133]

@@kylefettes4662 thanks I'll have a look

[@MartinHiggins1972]

No, get them back for one last job, I say. A nice tasty safe deposit number. I'm thinking Gal, bring him back from the Costa, Don Logan will do it... Speak to Teddy Bass (looks like Lovejoy, off the telly), he knows a place that's ripe. Knows a man who knows a man. Anyway, I probably shouldn't be talking about this on KZbin...

[@samgreen9621]

Both phenomenal story tellers

[@lesliesteele3926]

Brilliant together. The connection and humor and humanity they share.

[@427._]

Love how the old timer has said in every interview he has ever done that he isn’t a gangster, and they still label him a gangster. Cmon y’all

[@garywright9715]

Watching this while no one can condone their choices to engage criminal lifestyles. It shows redemption untill you die is possible. I hope their influence after crime reaches much much further than their life in crime.

[@CyanAnn]

It's a great argument against the death penalty and honestly the prison system in general

[@blissrunner]

@@CyanAnn To a certain limit... there are still the 3 main unforgivables like force-able violation, torture, especially exploits on minor/underages. There's no return on that one... an unjustifiable peversion

[@Whodyanikabollockov]

Bobby's not redeemed at all, he got too old and was COMMITTING crime right up until he was given a new grift with the OBE for some insane reason. He literally admits it in this video.

[@masonturner1937]

@Kordei - White people make up 83.9% and black people make up 2.6%, Asians made up 10.4%, 2.6% is mixed and the other 0.6% is other ethnicity. Or look at it like this, 193 white people, just 6 black people, 24 Asians, 6 mixed and 1 other who have received an OBE.

[@shapsugh1864]

@@CyanAnn no it is not, if anything they're rubbing their soon became good lifestyle in the eyes of the murdered person's family, showing them that they moved on from the killing and live happily while the victim is 6ft deep. Wake up

[@timwoodger7896]

What sticks out here to me listening to their stories is the lack of emotional intelligence they had when they were young. It took them to experience true emotional pain before they realised they were emotional beings. It’s such a shame and possibly the biggest grime of all that they were never taught emotional intelligence at school. It seems after listening to these two that we could change our society for the better if we were taught about what it means to be human beings instead of human doings. God bless em for sharing and being strong enough to show the world just how vulnerable they are and just how vulnerable we all are. It doesn’t matter how hard you are no matter how strong you think you are you ain’t nothing if you can’t face your own vulnerability. ❤

[@SuperMrHiggins]

Nicely put.

[@eme.261]

This dialogue confirms, for me, that anti-social personality disorder can be cured, but the cure is only possible within the individual. It's a choice after one has arrived at the realization that their behaviors and thought processes are "absolute lunacy!" Important aspect that can't be overlooked: They both came to their senses due to love. One lost a baby daughter he loved deeply and the other was told by his son that he didn't love him because he was a bad and scary man. Their hearts were engaged and that's what saved them from themselves.

[@danielguy3581]

Look in the interview when Bobby mentions pouring boiling sugared water over someone's heard. See Marv's reaction - joy at the thought. To him that would be good fun. He was cured, alright.

[@eme.261]

@@danielguy3581 Yes, cured. We react with glee to lots of things. In the end, it's whether we act on them. I know a lot of people who get their jollies off from watching the brutal mayhem on The Boys or will sit for hours playing the most disgustingly vicious video games and shout gleefully at every single one of their "kills". I find their reactions to such stimuli deeply disturbing, but I wouldn't call them afflicted by anti-social personality disorder.

[@danielguy3581]

@@eme.261 I myself have a penchant for the morbid and fictional content some may find disturbing. This is very different from taking delight in thinking of the horrid torture of a real human being. More so when that person has personally been involved in violent crimes, so it is not merely a thing of fiction or imagination for them - they're relishing at the thought of actual human suffering, the kind they themselves have inflicted. That said, it would be too much to judge based on just that short clip. And even if he still has sadistic tendencies, it indeed does not mean he will act upon them. (the "cured, alright" is a quote from A Clockwork Orange; in the book, unlike the film, the character in question does indeed settle down and abjure the life of violence, so it's ambiguous enough)

[@eme.261]

@@danielguy3581 Actually, it is the same. You place yourself on the side that's not behaving in a morally questionable manner, because doing so serves your ego. It's also far more culturally acceptable, in your culture, to take pleasure in pretend violonce-- even watching people's heads be ripped off. But, cultural acceptance of certain behavior often changes, sometimes drastically, over time. I spend a lot of time in the Amazon with the Shipibo people. They'd label how you entertain yourself deeply disturbing and a sign of a human afflicted by what they term to be "demons", because what you take pleasure in is a big indication of how you think of and react to the world. You can't hide the truth of your penchant, especially from those who know what to look for. Stating you're afflicted by demons is their their way of noting one who suffers from anti-social personality disorder. Most won't ever act, violently, due to the affliction, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. As for the rest of what you wrote, while you appear to need to discuss this topic more indepth, my current level of interest doesn't support me participating. Maybe someone else will pop on and supply engagement. Have a pleasant day.

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@@eme.261 There's research into this that doesn't support your assertion. There is a difference. But never mind, have a nice day too.