Ladislav Findorak's Prototype Lever-Delayed PDW

[@jonathanrogers9961]

"guns are meant to be shot" CZ got it 100% right there!

[@thearsonist3686]

Yes sir, that's why we have them :Dd piece of american weapon freedom in the middle of the Europe, that is CZ.

[@sevenproxies4255]

Any gun manufacturer with faith in their product should be more than happy to have people shoot their products. If they work flawlessly, then that's great marketing. If issues occur: ample opportunity for ironing out kinks to further perfect the product.

[@GunsmithSid]

At least attempted!

[@CrashRacknShoot]

@@sevenproxies4255 true. This is a 40 year old prototype that never made it to production, so critique away. But there is a lot of cool design to learn from off that little thing.

[@sevenproxies4255]

@@CrashRacknShoot I like a lot of design elements of it. And as far as the full-auto problems Ian had on the range, like you said, it's a prototype. And in my expience, misfeeds and trigger reset failures usually bottles down to the piece just needing some more machining. Some material needs to be added or taken off. But that's part and parcel of gunsmithing after all. This gun clearly doesn't need that much work to function flawlessly.

[@josephcandela2317]

Oh wow they let you shoot it?! That's so cool. Big thanks to CZ for letting us see this.

[@marvindebot3264]

Thank you very much CZ for allowing Ian to shoot this piece, I did not expect you to do so to the point I was thinking "pity he won't get to shoot it". Obviously, it's a developmental piece, it would be interesting to see if the bugs could be ironed out as it's actually quite a nice design and that's coming from a died-in-the-wool Skorpian fanboy.

[@j.yossarian6852]

Mag should be in the grip tho

[@bfryxomeg7681]

@@j.yossarian6852 not if it affects the design and functionality but an extra mag holder in the grip could be nice tho

[@Leggo-jm2tp]

@@j.yossarian6852 Exactly my thought. With that, a longer barrel would be possible. But the upper reciver must be extended to make room for the bolt but if you extend the upper the lengh of pull could also be improved. But the gun would not be as compact as befor.

[@maxcomstock1831]

Really reminds me of the pp-91, minus the lever delayed action, it’s remarkably similar

[@tombogan03884]

"Guns are meant to be shot" I knew there was a reason I liked CZ. LOL

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

I always wondered if anything other than the famas was ever designed around the lever delayed system, guess I’ve got my answer now

[@jakubdolezal665]

Also the Hungarian Kiraly 39M/ 43M submachineguns

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

@@jakubdolezal665 oh yeah, almost forgot about that one

[@garthenar]

Your user picture brings me back. Thumbs up.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

The AA-52 is the French GPMG since 1952.

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

@@garthenar nice to find a fellow fan of the show on here

[@adh615]

Very nice video as always. Maybe one day you can try to review the Czech "CZW 556" rifle? It's a lever-delayed blowback gun as well and I've always wondered how it would operate.

[@DOMINIK99013]

Its Findorak work as well, same like CZ 805 and others rifles

[@CzechoslovakGunStories]

If I am not mistaken this is also L. Findorak's work based partially on Baryshev's design.

[@DOMINIK99013]

@@CzechoslovakGunStories Yes it is

[@adh615]

@@CzechoslovakGunStories Do you know of any videos or other media about it? I'm really interested in it, yet the only thing I managed to find is a low quality test fire video.

[@CzechoslovakGunStories]

@@adh615 I will see what I can do :)

[@devia1988]

I want to tell the CZ marketing people I start following their social media because of their cool attitude towards Ian taking this gun to the range. Many companies would be scared of bad publicity because of malfunctions or the gun breaking or whatever, but this is how you're supposed to do it CZ, thanks!

[@BigBadBalrog]

If someone ironed out the kinks this thing would rock, I love everything about it

[@geekmansegraves]

Agreed. It looks like it has the possibility of being a handy pdw type of gun.

[@wurstelei1356]

Maybe it is the ammo. Sadly Ian didn't mention what he used and if he tried different types or if this is the rated ammo.

[@Pyrochemik007]

@@wurstelei1356 Czech republic produces ammo, so it is unlikely to have variations in quality due to change of supplier. I mean, they run gun testing in the factory, not a shooting range for tourists.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

@@Pyrochemik007 yup.. Sellier & Bellot being one of the oldest and well established ammo manufacturers in the world is located in Czech

[@curtwuollet2912]

Thanks, CZ and Ian for letting us see this kinda work.

[@mrshort2379]

that PDW is pretty awesome I bet if it were to be made today, or something very similar, it would be a big seller on today's market.

[@Chlorate299]

That's a neat design though, tiny little SMG that's *actually* controllable in automatic fire.

[@larry648]

A little more R&D and they may have something. The delayed action is a good idea in a small SMG. What’s old could be new.

[@skepticalbadger]

The Skorpion is already that gun, albeit in a small caliber.

[@bobbyspivey3721]

I guess we can conclude that the gun really did fail the adverse conditions test if the cold has got the trigger that messed up.

[@henrymumford4937]

The lever at no point stops the bolt from moving. The bolt is moving relative to the frame from the instant of primer ignition onward. It can be described as a class 3 lever, with the frame acting as the fulcrum. No motion can be transmitted to the load arm (carrier) if the action point (bolt) is stationary.

[@ilmt]

Yeah, you are right. That is why Ian corrected himself that it is a delayed, not a locked system. I guess it is formulated in this (a little) incorrect way to make the explanation a bit simpler and shorter - the bolt movement prior to the lever retracting is small enough to support the case enough to prevent detonation and thus not as important to the overall picture. On the other hand, I can see that in this case, it may confuse someone, for instance, if they are well familiar with levers and not so much with the chamber - case - bolt - not-blowing-up setup. I wonder if there are more people benefiting from the amplification or if more people would rather have the full picture... I think Ian has some short videos explaining basic operating principles.

[@notablediscomfort]

I actually really appreciate the long delay here between recording and posting because it was 101F and high humidity the other day at work, indoors, and just seeing someone enjoy an SMG in winter weather had a nice little touch of comfort for me.

[@homegrowncustomsandautorep9737]

This is the most visually appealing pdw I've seen you examine!! Reminds me of childhood crayon drawings after watching the vhs commando/predator box set!

[@vibeslide]

If that isn't the most adorable little SMG/PDW out there i don't know what is.

[@BatCaveOz]

Ian - "Let's reload this and try a bit more full auto". Everyone else - "I want your job".

[@madrenwillims4391]

I do love the lever delayed system too, really any delayed blowback I’m fascinated with

[@donjones4719]

Me too. Did the lever delay system ever fit into a 9mm pistol? When I'm bored I try to imagine a delay system that would only minimally add to the complexity of a straight blowback design, i.e. keep cost and parts count and manufacturing time to a minimum.

[@madrenwillims4391]

@@donjones4719 I’m not sure, I think I heard about one on forgotten weapons before but maybe I’m just imagining things hahah, if there were I’d assume it was Czech or maybe Chinese before communism

[@davidcarr7436]

I'm not trying to shoot a malfunctioning prototype, while also making an informative video and I'm getting frustrated! Can only imagine how Ian's feeling. Another great video nonetheless!

[@whoshotashleybabbitt4924]

“The Czechs have been fans of ambidextrous controls for quite a while” My CZ 85 can confirm.

[@jameslobenzana6785]

CZ is awesome for being so generous with their collection. One of my fav firearm manufacturers

[@isiahhendrix5651]

The rail seems similar to an 11mm weaver rail. Somewhat like what's on pellet riffles and early or '80s rifles

[@Gameprojordan]

That's exactly what it is

[@Hamsteak]

I love how simple and crude SMG's and PDW's are.

[@Neomalthusiano]

If I were to guess, I would say that's an 11 mm dove tail/weaver rail. For the width of the PDW it seems a better choice than the larger picatinny.

[@jamesharmer9293]

Damn! Summers in the Czech Republic are brutal !

[@TheZinmo]

That footage of the freezing shooting range is perfect for cooling me down in this hot summer.😀

[@ryanupchurch9683]

Thank y’all to cz. My favorite gun company.

[@benjaminforman1616]

I get woken up early by my apartment's weedeaters but I get forgotten weapons I'm happy

[@jacobharris7711]

Thank you CZ and Ian, love it.

[@standardaccountenjoyer2826]

mad respect to CZ saying "its a gun its meant to be shot". cool ass dudes

[@Aysiinc]

I know it’s being compared to the VZ. 61, but I’m here thinking it look like a more expensive Kedr

[@ja0298]

I really hope when you cover the CZ/laugo scorpion 3, you talk about the two piece bolt it was originally designed with. There was some talk of the two piece bolts being brought in but it died out a while ago.

[@Tekdruid]

This looks like something an action hero would dual wield during the big gunfight with faceless goons.

[@BradyJones-x8b]

That gotta be the most adorable little gun I've ever seen

[@FoltynD]

nice interesting prototype, needed some tweaks on the ejection part :) thanks CZ for letting you disassemble and shoot it , for all of us to see

[@sttonep242]

That's exactly what I would draw when someone says submachine gun

[@929Finn]

Aesthetically reminds me of the PDW/IDW and the Kedr/Klin

[@misterscorbunny5524]

a lot like a kedr

[@jonHErickson]

Combining a table vid with a range session. Ian is a generous god.

[@joebyrnes9254]

Man it’s always cool to imagine how some of these things would look scales up to like a full sized SMG.

[@chuckcochran8599]

It looks like it definitely had the potential to be a PDW. Hard to say, what's causing the trigger reset issue, buy it's probably something that could have been worked out. Great Video Ian, and a big thank you to CZ for allowing a complete demonstration of the gun.

[@asierurteaga1227]

By one side, i supose that the short stock is made to be comfortable with corporal armour and winter clothes. Otherwise, is chambered in 9x19, whos not a good "frontline" case even for the 90s and the trigger guard dosent look big enough to be comfortable to shot with winter gloves. Maybe because its a prototipe? idk...

[@Exarian]

God I love the color on this thing's finish. It reminds me of the bluing on the ZH-29 you went over.

[@parrotraiser6541]

An analysis of the failure modes would be interesting. It seemed to be something to do with the way the fired brass ejected (or didn't), and the feed from the magazine.

[@CreativeWarrior-]

To me, it looks like there's just too much room for ejected cases to fly around up front there. Needs a better extraction/ejection method, and maybe it's good to go!

[@dmg4415]

Maybe they couldn't persuade one of the employees to shoot it, but Ian was happy to try, now CZ are considering a new line of polymer PDWS of this design, but in more potent caliber, and barrels adopted for suppression and a rail on top, aimed to be max 1,0 kg unloaded, with a sling attachment in the back, caliber to whish for, 30SC, 10Auto, 7.5 Brno, 5.7 FN and if it is room, 30 Carbine.

[@vulekv93]

It looks like magazine is a bit low and ejector is fucky. They might have filled in that area above the front trunnion so the casings don't get stuck there. Being armchair engineer sure is fun.

[@Jurflip2]

Another variation on Pal Kiraly's designed action, to add to the Hungarian Danuvia SMG's, the French FAMAS and AA-52, and the Dominican Cristobal carbine.

[@thatguybrody4819]

CZ letting you test fire that is awesome. my regards.

[@kade_kam_dad]

I remember when you had a couple hundred thousand subs. Now your big time. Congratulations 🎉🎊🍾🎈

[@roguereaver634]

You know you're gonna get something interesting when the gun name sounds like it could be a Bionicle

[@arreslee8740]

Great content. Thank you kindly sir, Really enjoyable to see and hear you expound on an interesting piece of gun design and seeing it fail spectacularly on the range right after. (coupled with your telling it was a one off prototype) Could not help following this video up with re-watching your review of the scorpion evo 3 from 4 years back. A heart felt thumbs up to CZ for allowing you to field the gun, it brings another dimension to the exploration of this firearm, serving to complete it fully. Still following you with pleasure from the Netherlands. Greetings, Jonathan

[@lukejolley8354]

Awesome gun overview PLUS range video! Well done Ian.

[@barttorbert5031]

Maybe the gun needs a cartridge with a bit more power to work the mechanism. And the gun probably needs a full disassemble, clean, polish the parts and try again. Does look cool if a bit more work on it would be needed. It must be nice to have such respect in the gun community that a major manufacturer will let you walk into their factory and start shooting whatever is laying around.

[@illegalclown]

The inventor said his design was rejected due to politics. I lost count of how many politics Ian had in the video. He couldn't even get through two mags without some sort of politics happening.

[@dexter1910]

@@heavengameful And its prototype

[@DOMINIK99013]

And the Czech army in the 90s really didn't want a weapon of this category, they ended up with the MP-5SD6

[@paleoph6168]

"Mom, can we have a vz. 61 Skorpion?" "No, but let's make one instead of buying one, shall we?" The result:

[@ihcfn]

I was just wondering i they'd let Ian actually shoot this gun, when it cut to the range, thank you CZ!

[@alexio1942]

i can imagine this being put in a side by side configuration and then mounted on a drone

[@dilfbag]

🤘😁🤘 Super cool of them to let you shoot it, I wouldn't expect that either. Pretty neat gun.

[@Grasyl]

7:20 This is not quite right. The head starts to move backwards as soon as the cartridge is pushed backwards by the expanding gases. If the head would by held in place by the leaver, there would be no force available to move the leaver. Head, leaver and carrier are all moving together but at differed speeds. If the head would be held in place with no movement, there would be an outside force necessary to move it. This can be done by recoil (P.38) ore by a gas system (vz.58). But here the bolt head is moving the leaver, like in the FA MAS or the AA-52.

[@henrymumford4937]

Correct, every mechanically delayed blowback system works like this.

[@KirkHermary]

That's exactly what was said and demonstrated. The force exerted pushes straight backwards on the bolt, the lever is in the way, it unlocks and moves the carrier, and the entire carrier group moves backwards.

[@Grasyl]

@@KirkHermary 6:50 "The bolt itself can't start moving, until the leaver retracted all the way up here." No, the bolt is free to move from the very beginning, but it is slowed down until the leaver is fully retracted.

[@agoogleaccount2861]

It's got a nice aesthetic to the design it's well thought out

[@jeffw1246]

charging handle reciprocates a long way but about perfect rate of fire. more than a grease gun but less than an M11. the m11 empties the mag before you can get off the trigger almost.

[@TheFanatical1]

Once again delayed blowback proves itself to be an extremely elegant solution to so many problems.

[@fuzzyreticle]

Got to love the Czechs. Damn smart gun designers.

[@abjectpermanence5279]

The CZ guys seem to love you! How kind of them

[@ericmitchell985]

This is actually a really neat little pdw. Shame it faded away without some more development.

[@mrmors1344]

I feel like this might be good contender for the cheek pistol stuff... put rectangular barrelshroud on front with built in tiny light or laser under barrel in it and rail on top... seemed like it wasn't too snappy for recoil as well. -of course with fixing its problems first...]

[@BRBMrSoul]

Lol “let’s go see if it works” well hell, I mean that’s their job isn’t it? Haha wonder taking any notes on it or just that chill haha either way, thanks CZ! Love when get to see these obscure guns actually demonstrated

[@spearmintvole9522]

Reminds me of the Parker Hale PDW, which hinted at more function for less effort.

[@Erdanya]

4:15 'maybe there's more to this than.. Meets the eye..!' *excited* 'It's MEGATRON?!'

[@Unclear_Warhead]

It's really fascinating to see what is in effect the same operating system as the M2 browning machine gun miniaturized down to a 9mm PDW!

[@thekraken1173]

M2 is a Short Recoil firearm. It is not lever delayed.

[@thekraken1173]

M2 is a Short Recoil firearm. It is not lever delayed.

[@Unclear_Warhead]

True that may be, but both actions use accelerators in the action. The way he took the bolt carrier group apart is nearly the same.

[@CSDonohue11]

That’s Dope AF Reminds Me of the Tech 9 No cheese grader muzzle but for some reason it still reminds of the Techa

[@nathanbotkin8345]

If they were to ever make a live action metal gear solid, Ian would be the perfect actor to play revolver ocelot… not only does he look just like him but he knows as much about weapons as ocelot… “hey, you’re pretty good”

[@Chris-pb3se]

Anyone who doesn’t have any CZ stuff, get some. Czech gun making tradition is long and proud.

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

Cute little gun! Interesting bolt.

[@cx123456]

Thumbs up to CZ for letting this brute abuse something that clearly belongs in a museum. ;)

[@TheApilas]

Think with little bit of internal redesign it might have worked better. Interesting design regardless.

[@Natedawgontheright]

its like an early B&T prototype for their sweet little pdw's

[@thesuit4820]

Is the auto sear tripped by the lever "locking", if so that's really neat.

[@alexio1942]

now that is a modern looking CZ scorpion

[@LordRaa]

Given the recent introduction of .30 Super Carry, I could see revisiting this creating an interesting product.

[@mouse454]

Something of a slider-delayed blowback with the moving pivot

[@spencerwilkie4218]

Cz, you guys are awesome. "Guns are meant to be shot"

[@ricetherad3482]

We love CZ, best gun manufacturer 🤝🇨🇿

[@Mis73rRand0m]

I could see that lever delay system being adapted to the Uzi Telescoping-bolt and mag-in-grip architecture. Could shave a ton of weight off the heavy blowback bolt.

[@erikm12]

Definitely has that late 90s aesthetic, could definitely imagine Neo pulling a couple of these out of his trenchcoat in the lobby fight scene.

[@dude126]

2 round mag dumps can still be cool!

[@wade6523]

Guess we know where the serrations idea for the Beretta APX came from.

[@shaunybonny688]

Very cool to get the unexpected range time.

[@williamhart4896]

CZ is cool that prototype tweeked for 30 super carry would be a nice little pdw

[@cynthiakoehne7004]

OMG a CZ made Jati-Matic, how revolting, just can't wait to see it shoot lol.

[@lipym]

Released in July :) Man... I miss the winter now that we have all this heat :D

[@michaeltrabtree7718]

Definitely in the top five for most adorable pdw's

[@comiketiger]

Cool little gun ...... if it worked...☺ I am really intrigued by this. Thanks for sharing.

[@Joe5561000]

You know If this design could be produced either domestically or over seas and the bugs worked out. I think there would be a market for this here in the US. It could be lightened up even further with the use of modern materials and a quality magazine that is already proven and in production could be used (not necessarily a Glock magazine) A PDW of this size that's light weight (due to not being blow back operated) would be quite attractive to a lot of people, I think. I personally would like to see it offered in more PDW type calibers like 7.62x25, 7.5 FK, and 5.7x28 I wonder if the lever delay system could be modified to operate with these higher pressure rounds?

[@LilPistachiofr]

I love the boxy design. Its like a fully grown glock or something lol

[@thejackal5099]

Checking on the audio track reveals that the cyclic rate of this gun is 750 RPM.

[@phant0]

You know your company failed when your competitor ends up with your prototype.

[@RayTX1337]

This looks like an excellent cheek pistol.

[@thatguy-qg9lk]

This has to be that submachine gun from regular show everyone was using and thought it was Mac 10

[@T3hderk87]

The gun didn't pass the extreme conditions test, sand, water, Karl, Arizona, The ungreased spinner....