Lady Mary's Vindictiveness Goes Too Far | Downton Abbey

[@callicordova4066]

"Like all bullies you're a coward." Love the Tom Branson character.

[@janetkriegl6720]

That's a timeless maxim.

[@alanaspinall7147]

Tom is my favourite character. From what I hear, he was only meant to be in 3 episodes, but they kept him on because they liked him.

[@reida9]

The tormented anguish in Bertie's eyes as he gazed upon Edith and then that gallant tip of the hat

[@fayesouthall6604]

A true gentleman.

[@regant.cameron8237]

If Bertie had any real emotional depth he would have stayed true to her regardless

[@bunnyslippers191]

@@regant.cameron8237 Edith didn't trust him enough to tell him about Marigold. She was afraid he would reject her because she had a child out of wedlock, so she lied by omission. That was what hurt him the most, her lack of trust in him.

[@lauraflores1650]

FINALLY!!!! Someone has the balls to tell Mary the truth!!!! LOVE TOM BRANSON!!! Even better when Edith tells her off!!!!

[@MultiMattman68]

Edith and Lady Mary need to brawl

[@heathermetz6576]

Agreed! I was practically clapping when Edith called Mary the B word.

[@Peppi94]

@@heathermetz6576 I was not only clapping, I was cheering!!

[@janetkriegl6720]

@@MultiMattman68 Only a perverse male would want that type of "need" (i.e., a "brawl") to occur. Not two sophisticated, cultured women.

[@sharonjensen3016]

This is why I'm glad I have brothers and not sisters. But then brothers can be pretty nasty to each other too. Trust me, I've seen it.

[@acattycat7674]

One of my favourite moments when Tom told Mary off, it was a long time coming for her and well deserved, even better when Edith got the final word

[@idalily3810]

Funny, but I'm still waiting for Edith to apologize for ruining Mary's reputation over Mr. Pamuk. She never once expressed a shred of remorse over that. Mary, though she behaved badly here, at least had the guts to apologize and work to rectify her bad move. Edith NEVER did.

[@FreeTibetFTW]

@@idalily3810 I didn't hear Mary saying "Sorry" either, she never even showed remorse, she was only justifying her own acts, which just backfired, and by the time she realized Edith saw through her "apology", she went back to spitefulness "Now, listen you pathetic ...". Yes, Edith never apologized, but when confronted she stood her ground, didn't play the good girl, she was coherent.

[@kybed]

mary's not always kind.. edith i'm not sure if she's even ever kind except during the war, and she never apologizes to anyone she wrongs ie. the drews, the farmer's wife and mary.. mary i think, is generally kind to anyone but she can be so mean and vindictive to anyone's unkind to her.. mary instantly knows what she did to edith was wrong, she went to edith's room to try to apologize but she's very proud, a snob, she later did later on set-up that meeting between edith and bertie.. what edith did though, i believe was much graver, it not only put mary at risk, but the entire family, even mr. bates, it haunted the family for years, mary was forced to accept me carlyle's proposal, whereas edith, she's never shown remorse to any wrongdoing, when mary confronted her, she doubled down and called her a sl*t, when a couple of episodes later she was fooling around with the married farmer.. there was a scene after the war that even sybil mentions that edith was much nicer during the war implying that edith was not the nicer sister between her and mary.. but they've long move on and matured at least based on the 2nd movie.. who knows after that.. they are afterall sisters, even sisters at old age are not prone to rivalry.. 😅

[@MsJubjubbird]

he overreacted though over his class hang ups. The guy was going to break up with her as soon as he found out. Edith screwed up the most and ruined her own life

[@peterwilliamskelhorn6675]

​@@idalily3810thats true normally I'd be on Mary's side but just this once Edith was right

[@HawkeyeBrooke]

The only person who could make Mary a decent person was Matthew. As soon as he died, she went right back to being awful and stayed that way.

[@QueenY-co7es]

Well Mary was a nice person until he died then however she had become a spiteful spiteful person

[@unofficialoscarherrera]

Top "About time!" moments in the show

[@victoriafrost5461]

Even with Bertie asking why Edith not telling him about her illegitimate daughter. Very few men would accept the baby let alone want to listen or accept Edith after hearing the story, especially in the early half of the 20th century.

[@nitewarden]

Yeah that’s why him being upset about Edith not trusting him with the truth feels clueless on his part. It was the generally held value of that era that a woman with a child from wedlock is an “immoral woman”. Why wouldn’t she assume he might share that belief?

[@TheTishy44]

Yeah… I was like I wouldn’t have told him either, back then are you kidding, me even in the freaking 1980s you were a scorned woman, guys are assholes society sucks.

[@tartlynerdy]

Even if he was like those other men and walked out on her Edith would have seen him for what he was and dodged a bullet not marrying him. She would have had to keep Marigold a secret if he was one of those prudes that looks down on women for having a child out of wedlock.

[@dreamsteddybearsmaster]

Also love how Miss Baxter and Anna know something was up with Thomas

[@amaliaregno5282]

I could never understand how Lady Mary had so many people who adored her and were loyal to her, men who thought she was the most wonderful gal, worthy of their love, when she was so utterly vile to her sister at every opportunity she could take.

[@rubygracemoseley8144]

That’s always confused me as well. She gets like 6-7 guys throughout the show who fall in love with her. And all of them propose to her and she even ends up marrying two of them. And most of the people in her life just adored her and treated her like this queen. But Tom and Edith saw her for who she was. Although I feel like Edith might have been more biased. Tom was the only one on the show that I think truly saw Mary for who she was. He was constantly calling her out on her wrong doings, he was always pushing her to be better. But he was also like the ONLY character on the whole show who could actually get Mary to listen to him. It’s like the rest of the world would say “Mary no” and Mary would say “Mary YES!” But Tom would say “Mary no” and Mary would at first say “Mary no” 😂

[@MsJubjubbird]

her sister was very "woe is me" though. That was not a trait that was admired. Plus she was plain and homely. Mary was beautiful, exuded confidence, intelligence, sophistication and power. Mary liked Sybil because Sybil never asked for pity. Really, I think Edith is the one who messed up the most here. She got herself pregnant, refused to get rid of the child and then kept lying about it- including to the guy she was going to marry. He was going to leave her anyway when he found out.

[@Lady.Scorpio7]

​@@MsJubjubbirdI agree with everything you said.

[@liv97497]

Let's not forget Edith wasn't all kindness either - their first conflict in the series is Edith sending the Turkish embassy a letter telling them Mary slept with Mr Pamuk, which she does out of spite and with no regards to the consequences for her sister's reputation (which could be devastating in those times). Mary does basically the same, except instead of telling strangers, she tells Bertie. Both awful things, of course, but Edith's is only worse because her lie is much bigger (and because so much had gone wrong for her already). Mary was haughty and proud, and she had a mean streak, but she was also righteous and determined, and showed her kindness in other ways. All in all, a great character if you want your protagonist to be interesting.

[@rubygracemoseley8144]

@@liv97497 That’s something that’s always bugged me. When Mary tells Edith’s secret everyone instantly knows and Edith gets so mad at her and it almost ruins her life. But Edith tells the freaking Turkish embassy and gets almost no consequences whatsoever. In some ways Mary was just evening out the scoreboard though it took her almost a decade to do so

[@Marcus_1001]

I never despised Mary more than I did in this episode. I was SO glad that both Tom and Edith told her off. Odious witch.

[@assassino1480]

Mary and Edith are one of the most realistic sibling relationships I've ever seen in a work of fiction. As a younger sibling myself, this show realistically captures what it's like to love someone because they're your family, and also hate them so much you can't stand it because of how unlikeable they are.

[@Adventurous-Emma]

very relevant to my current life

[@narniaphuket]

@@Adventurous-Emma what about your previous life?

[@migs7602]

See ,that is something I find very difficult to understand . Why would be jealous of your sibling - should be wanting the best for each other ? I know that exists but where the root of that comes from - family dynamics ,character ...? I am the older and yes when children I was the bully but that was for stupidities , not when we started to be mature .

[@MademoiselleRose40]

@@migs7602 Then you live in a very cloistered world. There are a lot of truly horrible people in the world, and just because they are your brother and sister doesn't mean "growing up" makes them good people worthy of your attention and love. I don't have that problem myself luckly, but I've seen it many, many times in other families through my life.

[@bunnyslippers191]

And how terribly cruel older siblings can be to their younger siblings.

[@m.layfette6249]

4:20-5:15 Now it may have taken 6 seasons for it to come to blows, but By Golly was it worth it.

[@paulamitchell1653]

It took me years to stand against my bully to realize what EVERYONE saw in him all along… a coward, arrogant, mean- spirited, just low…but when you can REALLY forgive yourself… for the Jackazz I played… the entire experience is liberating… because I never felt prouder of myself… anytime you stand and you get your voice… the entire world revolves backwards!

[@m.layfette6249]

@@paulamitchell1653 "And who can argue with that." Finding the courage to stand up for yourself is the Greatest strength we never knew we had all along. 💪🏾💜

[@dieterdelange9488]

Some say Mary had that coming since birth. I say she had it coming since conception. 😅😂

[@babajaga777]

I have a sister like Mary. She sees nothing wrong in ruining my life, but when I stood once for myself... We haven't spoken ever since. And it's a good thing.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

I now have a similar relationship with my brother the only thing we really had in common was our parents but now they've both gone there's nothing to keep us friendly

[@aditi1998]

Same, but since i started standing up for myself (and got older, got a job- something she highly values), she wont dare bully me around. We talk like equals and there is a healthy sense of respect i have for her as someone who is 6 years older than me. We care for each other deeply, we just needed to swallow our prides and see that

[@shamugopalakrishnan7837]

My brother..... exactly the same. It is amazing how everyone makes excuses for him.

[@erindempster1054]

I love that scene where Tom goes off at Mary

[@12classics39]

I think he should’ve gone even further. He should’ve name-dropped Sybil, like “if Sybil could see you now…” that would’ve brought Mary to her senses.

[@amdaly1-iz3vb]

​@12classics39 He could have even name-dropped Matthew. Like Matthew would have been ashamed to see what you became.

[@peterwilliamskelhorn6675]

​@@amdaly1-iz3vbyeah he would have been. He'd agree with Tom and Edith

[@alicegraham1571]

The utter relief in Mrs. Patmore's tears to Lord and Lady Grantham's mercy and compassion was so heartfelt. I like that his lordship put Carson in his place. I swear sometimes the servants acted more snobbish than the rich families who employed them.

[@MelDaltonMusic]

Too many working class people in America are doing the same thing. It's a way of preserving their own relatively elevated position.

[@naobe5]

Same with celebrities today....Their entourage are the worse...

[@jaygonztx]

I always felt like Carson was the one who not only ensured the staff was put in their respective place, but also ensured the family stayed in their lane as well.

[@aquitaineq]

Right when mary starts to call her pathetic I was so glad Edith called her the B word

[@catezaida8081]

THIS was when I actually started to respect and like Tom Branson. Mary was always a witch. Cannot believe someone finally stood up and said so to her face.

[@lynndenault4212]

Loved Tom from the start

[@angeldsouza777]

Well, this reminds me of exactly why I dislike Mary AND Mr Carson much of the time... 😒 & also how Edith & Tom grew as characters. (And why Miss Baxter is an unsung hero! 🏅)

[@TVFreak624143]

Carson was pompous and could be sassy but his actions were always fairly logical and he was mostly concerned for the family. I didn’t like him but I appreciated his character. Mary was just mean for the sake of being mean.

[@angeldsouza777]

@@TVFreak624143 true, I appreciated Mr Carson more than Mary - though she showed her nicest traits where Anna was concerned. But Mr Carson was definitely mean to Thomas for the sake of it. AND Mr Molesey - they were both down & really going through it at different times & he seemed to take pleasure in kicking them then. He even said to Lord Grantham after Thomas's suicide attempt that he was guilty of "Not considering that he had feelings" 😒 Mrs Hughes rightly said she too has the family's best interests at heart, but she doesn't worship them like gods, or hurt her friends in the process.

[@TVFreak624143]

@@angeldsouza777 Indeed. Agree with everything you said.

[@jgibbs651]

Tom is spot on, except he gets the order wrong: she is bully first, coward second.

[@Horrendude]

I miss this series

[@zyxw2024]

I think there's a 3rd. film to be made.

[@CynthiaGrada-q7q]

@@Horrendude order the box set

[@clauditamel]

My favorite two moments... Tom and Edith saying the truth.

[@fabulouschild2005]

Mary almost destroying Edith's chances with Bertie almost made me hate her as a character. Almost.

[@idalily3810]

Edith ruining Mary's reputation did make me hate her and since she never apologized, I never got over it.

[@fabulouschild2005]

@@idalily3810 I'm glad that Edith became Marchioness of Hexham in the end

[@marobushko]

So u hate less somebody who lies to family and boyfriend about kid, who sleeps with married man and stresses a kid with switching family?) He had to know the truth. And Edith had much time to tell.

[@marionarda2790]

Ruining Édith s life was bad but at least it was understadable ( she was sad and hurt ) but this would ruin Marigold s life as well . Which was much worse

[@fabulouschild2005]

@@marobushko she wanted to marry Gregson, it's why he was in Germany. Of course she had to hide the child's identity, she was living in the 1920s. What Mary did was spiteful, and only because Edith was en route to become the next Marchioness of Hexham.

[@m.layfette6249]

"Mary is Not stupid." "No." "And she's not always kind either."

[@yvonnedorantes9569]

She's only kind to Anna....

[@lorinixon8972]

Mary is cruel

[@m.layfette6249]

@@yvonnedorantes9569 And Carson.

[@idalily3810]

@@yvonnedorantes9569 And William. And Carson. Who was Edith ever kind to?

[@idalily3810]

@@lorinixon8972 And Edith isn't? Not a shred of compassion for poor Mrs. Drew. Or the Swiss family. Or Carson. When he was collapsing in the dining room and Cora told Edith to go for the doctor, Edith wailed, "But what about my DRESS?"

[@danielblair9535]

Edith has deserved to slap Mary since S1 tbh. She had the perfect chance to do it in that argument.

[@janetkriegl6720]

Did anyone slap anyone on DA? So too, the 'lower classes' showed restraint (even in prison!).

[@sharonjensen3016]

Scrag fight!

[@jimmikulsky4810]

Not slap. Punch.

[@sfliberal]

1.) Yes, this was completely evil of Mary to do that. Edith may have provoked her a bit, but Mary didn't need to go THAT far, and Mary had been provoking Edith for years (hence the letter to the Turkish Embassy in Season 1). Tom was right to castigate Mary for it. Fortunately, Mary does get better as time goes...as does Edith. 2.) Can we get some appreciation for Lord Grantham's moment of coolness here regarding Mrs. Patmore? "QUITE...sure, thank you, Carson."

[@Greenplanet949]

The Mary, Edith thing is realistic. I have cousins like those two. I was so glad Tom and Edith finally gave her a good telling off. Never understood why Mary was so adored by everyone. She was so vicious at times.

[@thelotrogeek1085]

Bertie's actor was SO good. His eyes look genuinely devastated and crushed to lose Edith. I wonder what real life experience the actor drew upon for these scenes.

[@AquaGirl953]

This made Edith’s ending all the more sweet to me!

[@bea3ce687]

Well, I understand Bertie's feelings of betrayal, but come on, he can't be serious when he says "she should have told him everything from the start". I mean, it isn't something a woman tells anybody, except really a handful of people she is forced to, much less an almost stranger who may of may not become a love interest! He can claim she should have told him after things got quite serious, and after she had meant to accept him. That was the reasonable and realistic request. Which was less then 12h before... in that he was correct.

[@marobushko]

I wouldn't take his words like this. From the start means from the moment the guy told about feelings

[@bea3ce687]

@marobushko I don't agree. Should she have chosen *not* to accept him, she was right to keep it to herself. And the refusal may not have been because she didn't love or trust him, but just because she didn't know how his family would react, how his position might be endangered, or just how - by becoming a marchioness - she and her child might end up in the bull's eye and - if the secret got out - they might be torn to shreds. I suppose thinking things over, after the shock, he might have realized she had more than once procrastinated and hinted at how "her life was complicated", and he must have realized she was trying to find a way to tell. And that's why he got over it.

[@OceanHedgehog]

I love how Tom isn't afraid of Mary. He's her brother-in-law, and she can't pull the grief card against him because he is a widower, just as she's a widow. Since he's a socialist, he also doesn't see her as inherently deserving deference just because she's a member of the nobility. Mary is lucky to have him in the family to help bring her down a notch.

[@12classics39]

Honestly the whole family needed Tom badly. It’s just such a shame that Sybil had to die for them to realize that, and see in him what she’d always seen from the start.

[@tomwheeler2012]

It wasnt that long ago that Edith (whom I like...she has real heart) wrote the Turkish Ambassador informing him that the Turkish Prince died in Lady Mary's bed. A story which haunted Lady Mary for years and forced her to flee to her maternal grandmother in NYC until the story faded. Somehow that act of sabotage by Edith never gets thrown back in Ediths face. Mary and Edith are both cowards and bullies. Sisters can be cats with long sharp claws....and its not an untruth to say that Edith suffered numerous attacks from Mary's long cat claws all her life...because as we are reminded in the story...the eldest carried the full weight of marrying into wealth and power and social class in order to maintain the family's standing into the next generation. Sybil told the story that Mary and Edith never mention and that was potential marriage partners were all dead from WW1 so marrying was a far greater problem than downton abbey alludes to in the storyline....but WW1 killed multiple generations of young men and that dearth of marriageable men was a hindrance to women like Mary, Edith and Sybil their whole life. Of course with Cora being American, one would think the Crawley's would have solved that problem by trips to America where men were still plentiful. Violet and Cora discuss marriageable men in Europe if the girls cannot find men in England but that is a fallacy of bad writing because many of the marriageable men in Europe were also dead from WW1. They didnt call the WW1 generation, it the "lost generation" for no reason.

[@maxthecat14]

Edith did mention the fact that most young available men of their age were dead, when Cora's mum was comforting her and Robert came by, and they argued about the man (whose name i can't remember ) being twenty five years older then her.

[@tartlynerdy]

I used to love when Tom yelled at Mary and finally tore her a new one for what she did to Edith. I'm not so sure anymore. I think it's just easier to be angry at Mary rather than kick Edith while she's down. It wasn't fair to say Mary ruined everything when Edith lied by omission. "I'm not as simple as I used to be. My life has gotten complicated" isn't exactly a direct way of saying "I have a daughter".

[@nomadmarauder-dw9re]

I was disappointed that the obvious wasn't revealed. That Edith is the daughter of Rosamund. Maybe in the next film? If there is one.

[@horsegirlb7120]

I had a moment like that where a coworker thanked me for being a good teammate on some projects, and told me she really liked me as a person or something like that. I walked away from it thinking 'oh that was nice, but strange.. almost like she was saying goodbye' - next thing I knew she was out on medical leave for mental health reasons. As far as I know she's doing okay, just hasn't come back to work in like a month. I'm determined never to let a moment like that slip by me again. It was too close.

[@nataliee.parker2873]

This guy's really being unfair, here. Would any woman in that day and age come clean to their fiance about something like this? She does trust him as much as she can, but he's demanding a specific kinda trust that almost no woman has to luxury to be able to give! And then walks out on her for it! And all for protecting herself and her child!

[@marthabloodsworth5049]

If Mary were my sister, she'd come up missing.

[@DefNotNayNay]

I disliked Mary mean self this ENTIRE series and it baffled me why all these good men , the best of them being Matthew, were all dying of love for her. She didn’t deserve any of them, just a terrible person.

[@catherinethibeault6636]

Mary was flawed in the same way Edith was flawed. Mary was the eldest child but still had to rely on marriage to maintain her social status; she could not inherit. Edith was the middle child, considered plain in comparison with her two sisters, and perhaps socially awkward. Mary was considered a “catch”, while Edith was often overlooked. Edith was angry and embittered, Mary was angry and frustrated. This led each of them to behave badly. I never liked Edith’s “rehabilitation” as the series progressed, because it came at the expense of Mary. In order for Edith to “win”, Mary had to “lose”; all in all, a very simplistic plot resolution to their relationship.

[@maxthecat14]

@@catherinethibeault6636 What did Mary lose? She had Downton and Henry. (who I liked better than Mathew)

[@aihara2799]

I'm so glad Edith got the best ending in the end with Bertie, it was almost like a match made in heaven. After suffering for so long she ended up outranking almost every single member in her family in the peerage, especially Mary.

[@rileykaplan3470]

Tom is such a decent person 😊 (I still cannot handle what happened to Lady Sybille 😭)

[@MichaelMoorePDX]

I felt terrible for Edith and angry at Mary. But when you remember Edith writing the letter to the Turkish Embassy about Mary's indiscretion with the young Turk who died in ger bed, it's not hard to think Edith should get down off her high horse.

[@bigrivtodagled8210]

Edith always had the low end of the stick though, you can tell from the few first minutes of the series that Mary was always nasty to Edith, what Edith did wasn’t right but it was an accumulation of resentment. I love how she became master of her own life, she had a job, a big responsibility, she overcame all the rejections and finished on top. At this moment of the series, I thought Mary was jealous of Edith and her accomplishments, Edith wouldn’t give her the time of day busy as she was with her own life and she hated that she hadn’t a willing punching bag anymore.

[@dreamsteddybearsmaster]

Ironically Edith was also the one who got pregnant and had a baby out of wedlock. Kinda fitting that was her storyline , her having the hypocrisy to have premarital sexual intercourse

[@bigrivtodagled8210]

@@dreamsteddybearsmaster but she was in love, Mary wasn’t.

[@marobushko]

​@@bigrivtodagled8210to have an affair with a married man is worse irresponsible

[@hybridbutterfly3908]

​@@marobushko His wife was permanently in the psych ward and he was having difficulty getting permission to divorce her, not exactly a typical married man.

[@GoldenRose116]

Edith being the queen of Downton once again

[@ryanr1701]

This clip reveals the most toxic relationship in the whole show: Carson and Mary. Both are insufferable bullies who ended up with people far better than them (Mrs. Hughes & Matthew). The way Carson flatters and grovels for Mary is revolting. Two rotten apples who deserve each other.

[@roshoshi]

most British break-up "argument" ever haha

[@georgeprchal3924]

Tom: DON'T LIE TO ME AGAIN!

[@micca903]

I still love the show, whenever I’m feeling bad or have a cold or something I always put on a few episodes. It’s a shame we don’t get more projects like this. I suppose the gilded age has a similar vibe to it but I think the season is a little bit short and I’m missing the special episodes.

[@toniesolomon]

Mary needed to be told off ages ago like way in S1

[@peachygal4153]

no not season 1 as Edith was just as b=witchy Cora had it right when she said her daughters were no Little Women. but Edith mellowed after meeting Gregson and became softer, but Mary never let go of their childhood rivalry.

[@toniesolomon]

@@peachygal4153 Mary is rude sometimes and grating too

[@idalily3810]

@@peachygal4153 Neither did Edith.

[@gbarbecue2399]

There's now't so snooty as a butler... 😂

[@ktwashere5637]

its not fair to expect Edith to have been honest about having a baby as an unwed month in the era that this show is set in. It was a tremendous disgrace to the society of the day and women were literally ostracized for the rest of their lives.

[@christinehall6441]

. Michelle is a good actress because she made me dislike her Intensely. Her ego and ghastly snobbery was a mark of those times I suppose. 😊

[@dorothypersons79]

Mary and Edith are my sister and I in reverse. I may be 12 years older than my sister but she can be absolutely vile to me out of jealousy of not being born first. Through it all, I love her dearly but can't be around her long.

[@anthony75829]

Yes, Mary could be the bully and all but, Edith can only blame herself. Was told by Cora, Tom and even Robert's sister, Lady Rosamon, to tell him.

[@annsmith7207]

Edith and Mary -- both competitive with each other are also very mean in their own respective ways. And well beyond sibling rivalry. Flat out cruel at times with sharpened knives (figuratively) at the ready with each other.

[@jacquelineroque5707]

I didn't think they used that kind of language in the early 1920s. But I totally agree with Edith on what she called Mary. You Go Girl!!!!

[@FayeVert]

They definitely did. Swear words are not a new invention

[@alking7655]

They definitely did. You'd be surprised. The "posh" had more of a "potty" mouth than many of their staff. "Working class" spoke more in code. Where do you think Brits get half their slang, particularly rhyming slang, from?

[@jennifer.martin.48]

That conversation with Mary and Tom was a long time coming. It’s about time someone finally called her out!!! I just wish he would’ve ended the conversation with, “What you Sybil say about this??”

[@Afroman29]

Like all bullies, you're a coward. Good for Tom for calling out Mary.

[@TheBeliever1204]

Poor Edith. You really feel for her during this scene.

[@schanychamemphis1327]

Edith is the best!

[@kimmatthewslong4814]

This scene made me like Edith

[@or529]

Truly, the only person for the first 3 seasons that could put Mary in her place and have her strive to be a better person was Matthew. After that, it was Tom. At the start, it was because he was her beloved sister Sybil's husband. Second, because she got to know him better and respected his opinion on helping her keep Downton Abbey. Third, because she loved him when she realized why Sybil truly loved Tom and he was truly in love with Sybil.

[@Wakanda888]

The only satisfying thing that came out of this whole thing was Mary being told off and Edith coming out on top by being a higher title than Mary and everyone else in her family. Mary will forever be known as Lady Mary. Mary will never be Countess of Grantham nor even a Dowager Countess now that Matthew is died. The title skips her and goes straight to her son George. Edith will now forever be known as Marchioness of Hexham and if her husband shall pass then she will be Dowager Marchioness of Hexham while her son will be the new Marquess of Hexham. Now that is a satisfying ending for both characters and I'm glad to see it.

[@patricialandry5071]

I love this series, one of the best

[@MADHAUSMARKALLAN]

Oh that was an amazing episode... Oh, I lovlove the show and as everyone has agreed, Mary had the riot act read to her… Or is RuPaul says reading is what? Fundamental. Edith gotta punch that knife in a little deeper with a twist. Thank God Mary was the better for it.

[@johnryman-f3c]

Edith is a really good Edith

[@anniewallace3601]

I think if she had spoken differently it would have still worked. She could have said "I was scared but I'm sorry I should have told you. I should have trusted you." Maybe he might have stayed in the engagement.

[@CynthiaGrada-q7q]

Excellent acting by all!! Tom gave it to her!! And Edith❤

[@Stormborntargaryen1523]

6:12 I wish to GOD Carson found out about one secret or scandal of the Crawleys as he stands there praising them to the sky and snobbing everyone else but I’m glad the butler got put in his box

[@denisefreitas6727]

Go Tom, go!

[@suebradford5758]

Thank you 👍❤️👌...Thank You Lord✝️ for The Tingles ✝️ at Lord Grantham standing by Mrs Patmore 🙏✝️❤️

[@Bogie0315]

Mary was my lest favorite character on the show should have been told off many times. In the end Edith got the biggest prize.

[@32446]

Edith tried to ruin Mary too. They both tried to screw each other over.

[@Queen_Springsteen]

That’s another reason Sybil was my favourite

[@purpurina5663]

Yes but they would've grown by now. Edith would not have done that at this age, she has a life of her own and grew up. Mary devolved after Mathew's passing.

[@marktwayne9796]

The problem is that their rivalry became one-sided in the later seasons. Edith was caught up with her own drama yet Mary never missed a chance to dig and jab. Mary was just vile.

[@tenrouarc6447]

i just adore the character development and sibling dynamics of mary edith and tom. i almost forgot how cruel mary used to be and how spiteful edith was. there's so much that ties into their characters and bringing tom in to reel them in and be the buffer, essentially becoming their older brother over the course of the series, was so lovely to see.

[@ctheflower7818]

Yay Tom 👌

[@dorisdestler50]

1:34 bertie almost gave in there

[@katerinecatindig]

The only questionable thing in these scenese are people daying Henry is perfect for Mary. I dont think anyone was perfect for her after Matthew

[@hollabigT]

TEAM EDITH

[@di942842]

Edith too has some blame here for not telling Bertie about Marigold. But yeah, Mary was so jealous here of Edith. She wanted to ruin it for her. Tom, well I've always thought he was the besr one to marry into the family!!

[@marionarda2790]

Édith was wrong for not telling him . 100 percent . She even agrees with Bertie when he told her she should have . That does not justify Mary striving to ruin her life and Marigold s

[@ArielStew]

Miss Baxter saving Barrow 🥰🥰

[@erinalbert3642]

Mary shouldn't have done what she did however Edtih was also wrong for keeping Marigold a secret from him. It is better he knows now then Edith and him marry and have him find out about Marigold after because he would have found out eventually.

[@jenelphaba7558]

Edith was horrid to Mary at the breakfast table. Even Tom said to Esdith to stop. She disn't. Of course Mary was going to hit

[@MsJubjubbird]

if he had found out when they were married, he would have separated and she would have been alone for the rest of her life.

[@Jasmine_U_B]

I don’t think she wanted to keep it a secret. Bertie was grieving HARD over his cousin and then pressuring her to make him feel better by saying “yes” to his proposal. I think she was finding the timing very difficult

[@en1909s9iah]

unforgivable

[@kofoolanrewaju1639]

Mrs Patmore: "He means me". She's so cute. Edith still trying to help Mary by helping her see the truth about Henry even after what Mary did, is really out of character for Edith. That's what a kind person would do and Edith isn't necessarily a kind person, I was surprised.

[@TheLadySilverMoon]

Edith had gone through so much hardship, but Marigold was the one thing that kept her going. So I can understand why she was afraid to tell Bertie, she probably feared he wasn't gonna accept her. And Edith finally having it out with Mary was so satisfying.

[@andrewrichard9017]

I love love love Mary. I understand her character. She is stubborn and often times not always nice as Robert said but when people she has an understandably unwavering love and respect for like Carson, Tom, Anna, and Violet, call her out, it may take her a moment to lick her wounds but she sees their reason and I love that. No one in this show is a paragon of virtue which is its strength. It's incredibly human and I appreciate the nuances and dimensions most characters are afforded

[@Bumblebee67544]

Haha I love Mary’s faith when edit calls her a b itch

[@margaretharypkema9290]

Well done Tom!!! 🎶🎶🎶🎶

[@eriennerojas]

Unpopular opinion. Edith has always been as bad as Mary but plays the victim while Mary is the ice queen. They were both toxic. I hated how Edith got her moment to tell off Mary while she did numerous things to ruin Mary’s life as well. HOWEVER Tom had every right to call out Mary. They always had that brother sister relationship of holding each other accountable.

[@azulceleste2646]

Oh, really? I haven't watched this series.

[@Agnoletta]

Edith spread rumors about Mary and Pamuk…

[@TheBeliever1204]

Good on Edith.

[@TheBeliever1204]

Poor Thomas Barrow. Brilliant character

[@Lady.Scorpio7]

Edith is the one that dogged her sister in a much worse way to begin with. She wrote a letter about Pamuk, trying to get Mary shunned from the whole town and had zero sympathy when Mary found out. That is unforgivable. Edith brought this on herself and has never shown any remorse for the things she does to people. Edith only cares about Edith. Mary treats everyone with respect, even the staff. She admits when she's wrong and apologizes. Edith also had no problem making out with a married farmer while his wife was right there at the same time. Edith used Mrs. Drewe as a babysitter, than ripped Marigold away from her without any sympathy or compassion for everything the Drewes have done for her. She's a pity party of one, always woe is me. Also when Carson was having a heart attack, all she cared about was her dress. She's very selfish. At least Mary cares about people and treats everyone with respect .

[@LBF522]

Exactly how I feel. I am on Mary's side.

[@bhinoyj]

Sibling rivalry has seldom been shown like Edith and Mary in a movie or Tv show. Anyone wants to comment on famous sibling rivalries?

[@en1909s9iah]

Olivia de Havilland and Joan Fontaine

[@Xerxes2005]

Well, I think the thing started with some guys named Cain and Abel...

[@lynndenault4212]

Carson was a snob.

[@tonyneal3266]

He got on my nerves

[@JoshuaBarker-h5l]

I have a love hate relationship with Mary. There are times when I like her and this is one of those times that I’m glad someone told her off. I’m an older sibling and I try avoiding stuff like this with my siblings. I don’t want to be like this and ruin there lives.

[@ninikiris]

I am confused why Edith doesn't get much more hate. Mary can be unkind, but she at least accepts her wrongdoings, apologises. From being rude with the servants, to telling Edith's secret. She has some kind of self-awareness. Edith, on the other hand, is blind to her cruel actions - from insulting William, her snobbish comments, selfishness, nearly ruining Mary's (and family's) reputation, to literally ruining poor Drew's lives. Always the victim, never accepts her idiotic mistakes and unkindness.

[@OddBet]

At least Mary owned up to her vindictive behavior and fixed what she broke, which Edith never did. Edith's actions also did a lot more damage to a lot more people. Will never understand how some people think Edith has the moral high ground. Still think both characters are amazing, though.

[@beaubrent]

Mary was a cow the whole show. I didn't like her even when she was supposed to be a good person.

[@nay8936]

Edith got what she deserved remember when she wrote to whomever it was she wrote to telling folks a man died in her sisters bed she tried to ruin Mary so what goes around comes around

[@hpavalferr7201]

💯 👏🏻

[@SilvioTonolli]

Then Mary is instrumental to bring them back together!!

[@ArwenUndomiel406]

I know I’m probably the only person here expressing this opinion, but I have no sympathy for Edith. This is some well deserved payback for ruining Mary’s life and reputation, by writing to the press out of sheer jealousy in the first season. Do you really expect me to have sympathy for her?

[@duraniegal79]

Let's be honest:Edith was in the wrong to start with. The way she talked to Mary, she should've used some of that nerve to tell Bertie the truth. But she didn't. She had to have known that by accepting him without telling him, it was going to blow up in her face. Yes, I know there's a ton of people who think Edith was a saint(she wasn't! FAR FROM IT IMO!)even though she's done the same, if not worse than Mary. At least Mary never messes with a married man, whereas Edith was with not one, but TWO! Don't get me started on how shitty Edith was to the people who raised her child because she was too much of a coward to face people. And no, I'm not a Mary supporter, she can be a real witch. The only one I truly admired was Sybil. She was the only real sweetheart out of the three.

[@bethfiori4708]

Edith is responsible for her bad faith relationship, not Mary.