The Shocking Scandal Of Lady Mary and Mr Pamuk | Downton Abbey

In this revealing video, we retrace the intriguing storyline that forever altered the trajectory of Lady Mary's life. Watch as the scandalous encounter between Lady Mary and the dashing Mr. Pamuk, brilliantly portrayed by Theo James, unfolds, leaving both the characters and the audience in a state of disbelief and anticipation. 💔
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The costume drama series, Downton Abbey, written and created by Oscar-winning writer Julian Fellowes, stars Academy Award-winner Maggie Smith as a Dowager Countess of an Edwardian English country house in 1912. The series portrays the lives of the Crawley family and the servants who work for them, in a time before the last vestige of a century’s old tradition were stripped away by World War and the modern age. The all-star cast also includes Hugh Bonneville and Elizabeth McGovern.
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[@bhinoyj]

And this was the scene that took away tens of hours of mine as I got hooked to Downtown like a drug addict. Love the writing here

[@hayderneamah1323]

I stopped watching after the third season and i always wondered looking back why did I even watch such a show against all my principal and disgust for lords and servants times , and this episode writing remind why I was intrigued 😊

[@francesbernard2445]

In my case since I haven't bothered to upgrade my KZbin account to avoid those pesky ads always interrupting my viewing experience I only find the show so annoying already.

[@melaniekendall4903]

​@@hayderneamah1323It's only a TV show 😂

[@elliekeikes3951]

Neederläñs ver 8:51

[@coffeebean8790]

I think they were foreshadowing Edith’s career as a journalist when she knew what the Albanian talks were about from reading the papers. It indicates that she probably reads them on a regular basis and is interested in the goings on in the world.

[@krafshdyh]

You nailed it. That's the first thing I picked up during the scene despite the fact that I have watched it probably a 100 times by now but only picked it up today.

[@rachelgarber1423]

Kind of arrogant and dismissive of Mary

[@gaiamorgosi7181]

Either way, it is another way of showing the difference between the sisters, Mary’s interests are only for her property and she loves more “domestic” stuff and environments, like riding horses and such, Edith wants to know more about the world and everything about it , and Sybil wants to fight for the ones who weren’t as lucky as her and care for others. Mary’s center of attention is the estate, Edith’s is the world and politics, and Sybil’s is social issues.

[@annt7384]

Yes, also boredoms played a big role. All the sisters were completely bored, and they each struggled to find a way out of their vacuous lifestyles. No education, just look pretty and change your clothes several times a day depending on the hour.

[@DragonHeir92]

I could only hope to maintain a shred of the poise Cora had when she scolded Mary.

[@gerishine3584]

Agreed, my late mother would have skinned me alive....

[@jeanhopkins1071]

​@@gerishine3584Q10 C300

[@noellesandiko1415]

I always thought, Barrow might have poisoned Mr Pamuk, to keep his secret.

[@nicole.143]

Thats what i thought too!!

[@tiwantiwaabibiman2603]

Wow!!! Years after the show ended and watching this clip in 2023, that theory never occurred to me!!! Barrow would be the sort to do just that! I never liked his character throughout the entire series. So I don't put it past him. To further your point, he might also have poisoned him to cause a major scandal for Lady Mary if he's found dead in her bedroom. The only flaw in the theory is when and how would Barrow have administered a poison, especially one that wouldn't leave obvious traces?

[@elizabitty213]

Wow that’s actually an amazing theory! I wonder if it is something they can reveal in another movie 😅

[@SomewhataMystery]

Might be true

[@user-iu6tn7rl6e]

No do think the elite at the time did not try and keep the help in line.. this was all they had to live..

[@28105wsking]

Its really important to remember that from the point of view of our day and age, Mary was accosted, forced, and overwhelmed unfairly and without her consent. He had no business going to her room! Hardly something to blame her for, as everyone did in those days. The woman was always at fault. Women's Lib was badly needed!

[@IrishAnnie]

I love the scene when Old lady Granthom show Cora the letter she got accusing Mary of the affair. And then Cora just stays quiet and stares at her. Not saying a word she admitted she helped move him….it’s great!!

[@carmenmonoxide7459]

Oh, yes! Then, unconditional love Cora ended it with a mic drop.🎤 Fierce!

[@Visiblediety]

I don’t know if they intended the “ I can’t make eyes stay shut “ to be funny but I am on the floor !

[@DayneandtheStars]

Omg!! same!! It's always so funny 😂

[@westaussieeggs8867]

one has to place 50 pence piece on the lids of a dead person to keep them closed. It looks like nobody here had a person/loved one die in house 🙄not funny at all just fact, my g-ma died in house and we all attended the funeral rite, dressing her all tje lot. i was 16 at that time, 1969.

[@audioliquor]

This whole scene got me hook line and sinker!! What insane story!

[@theemersonian7932]

I always felt a little bad for Mary when it came to Mr. Pamuk. Mary, for certain, knew from the very beginning of the series that she had a certain charm and a certain beauty; she can hold a conversation and arouse men's curiosities and lusts. I don't think she was counting on Mr. Pamuk being just a smooth. To watch her go from a flirty "I have my Champions to the left and to the right" to suddenly pulling up her blanket over her body with an awareness of her chastity, shows just how naive she is. The fact that she doesn't empathize with Edith's situation later on shows a lack of introspection and the lack of self-reflection and a lack of humility especially given Pamuk's death.

[@patriciazoerner]

What BS. Edith tried to destroy her own sister. I don't see how a relationship ever recovers from that

[@theemersonian7932]

@@patriciazoerner That's not what that comment says, and I can't make you understand it. However, I will drop a hint: For all the back and forth between Mary and Edith, which sister was always going to have a chance at marriage and which sister had to really work at it and take from slim pickings? "Judge ye not, lest ye be judged." And Mary judged Edith despite her own unfortunate circumstance. So when Edith lets her have it later over not revealing Marigold, Mary has no choice but to accept that she is not a good person. What she does to Edith is not revenge, it's intentional and malicious and based on her own inadequacies and mistakes. Then, she gaslights and makes herself the victim when anyone challenges her on how she treats her sister. Sister rivalries are often like that. There is always some kind of imbalance (like a favorited child) to start and then, very basic competitions (who can find a husband first) that exacerbate the situation even further. From the onset, the show is designed to have the audience sympathize with Mary, so we regard her cutting, cruel, and humiliating remarks and actions towards Edith as justified--- forgetting that Edith is her little sister and already at a disadvantage. She's ignored and isolated, and the audience is conditioned to believe she deserves to be there. The whole show is bullshit, a bunch of rich people passing judgment on the world beneath their feet--- but it makes for a good gossip story (the drama). We praise those character traits that we emulate or wish to have in real life. Except in real life you'll get your teeth knocked out or worse for a tenth of what comes out of Mary's mouth. And deservedly so.

[@robertoponce6716]

Bad take Mr pamuk forced himself onto Mary and Edith was all over the place

[@actuallyfrankie]

She looks so scared though. Like she's trapped. I can't see this as anything other than an assault.

[@patriciazoerner]

I 100% agree.

[@olakeska7908]

First, he kissed her completely without her consent and basically by force. Then he enters her bedroom, ignoring the repeated "no". Then a terrified Mary "accepts" her situation. She is literally assaulted...

[@ronniselvan6243]

She put her arms around him and kissed him back. That was consenr

[@Schatz7]

​@@ronniselvan6243Nope. She had no options to say no. She could not fight him off. She was trapped. It's a serious problem if you can't see that.

[@lauradarnall227]

I love watching Downton Abbey wishing I could go back in time .....this is one of my favorite parts in Downton Abbey....

[@duckduckgoismuchbetter]

Actually, at first he did force her. It doesn't change what he did and was preparing to do because she didn't fight back as hard as she could have, and only did so with words.

[@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676]

The ONLY thing Mary needed to do was say no. If he ignored that it is force. Period.

[@reginaphalange7469]

@@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676 she said "please go", and clearly looked scared at first. Isn't it enough? She was genuinely attracted to him, but he still imposed himself despite she told him to leave. Mathew vould never have done that.

[@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676]

@@reginaphalange7469 I think you need to read my comment again. And edit again.

[@reginaphalange7469]

@@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676 Ah, sorry if misunderstood what you meant then 😅 (i am not a native english speaker)

[@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676]

@@reginaphalange7469 No worries!!

[@Thegardenupstairs]

Someone commented elsewhere that Thomas was doing the drink pouring during the dinner the night Pamuk kicked the bucket

[@hope5360]

Wow! Never thought of that!

[@duckduckgoismuchbetter]

That's a great observation! I never thought of that.

[@carmenmonoxide7459]

At that stage of Barrow's life, I wouldn't put it pass him to ...maybe? But since it was never bought up in the show, it's fan fiction. 😆

[@rogerpropes7129]

@@carmenmonoxide7459 And there is much too much of that in the series, Fellowes made it up as he went along and left many loose ends.

[@Jenzzyuk]

This Scene was so Well Acted

[@brandona.lockhart4062]

Has anybody else wondered the possibility that Barrow might have slipped Pamuk something? Or just me…

[@sharkattack99]

So he was making a pass at a soon to be dead man?

[@faustlove]

That is an interesting theory! Could have made an excellent surprise reveal further down the road....🤔

[@dasikakn]

Brilliant! Barrow could’ve been angry at being used for an act that is egregious and wormy even by today’s standards. She’s literally saying no and he doesn’t even listen until she acquiesces and has to say yes, that too after threats of falsification and shame. Coming from a culture that has similar social expectations about women’s “honor” , I don’t know why Mary didn’t say he forced himself on her, because he very much did! Sadly that wouldn’t have changed the situation for her socially, but at least her mother would have been spared the disappointment.

[@brandona.lockhart4062]

I think ppl forget that Barrow made a pass at Pamuk. An illegal act that could be punishable by death. Enough for him to want to kill Pamuk to bury his secret.@@faustlove

[@isabellezionchipochaishe7103]

I did suspect it actually. He is lethal and capable of anything yet no-one would suspect him ever especially considering the redeemable qualities of his character.

[@HoppyGoLitely]

This was sexual assault. This man snuck into her room, knowing full well Mary’s reputation was on the line no matter what happened. He said as much. Mary may have been attracted to him, and may have been sexually curious, but she was fully coerced into sleeping with him. She had nothing to be ashamed of.

[@perdikased]

For heaven’s sake, Mary herself when her mother asked “did he force himself on you?” clearly replied “ no” with body language. That means there was consent. Also, if she was negative she could have insisted that he gets out of her room. Not only she didn’t do that but after the first shock, she started to engage willingfully to the act with ler language, she asked “is it safe?” and then she started enjoying the sexual bond with their kisses. No reasonable judge on earth seeing that story would argue that there was sexual assault here.

[@carmenmonoxide7459]

I ain't gonna lie, this Pamuk tragedy had me shook. Mary lost her sense of control over a situation. TBH, I would've taken the chance like Mary did. I mean, c'mon, it's Mr. Pamuk...😅

[@patriciazoerner]

It was horrible.

[@lo-fi4653]

Okay Carmen I see you girl, same though 😂👏

[@elipotter369]

I wouldn't. He's a slime ball "trust me"! And threats too!

[@jovanai]

This was the best part of Downton Abbey, I wish they had more stories like this.

[@michellesharpe6159]

Amazing how many things it set into motion. Had this not happened, Edith would have been proposed to by Sir Anthony before the war, and they would have gotten married. Then no Marigold or Bertie. The uncertainty over telling Matthew caused Mary's first delay, which allowed time for the pregnancy and miscarriage by her mother and the delay that caused Matthew to spurn her - thus Lavinia and the fortune that saved Downton. Then it helped Mary see what a poor match Richard was. Not being able to ruin the family with the scandal was also the final straw that helped Bates be free of his ex to be with Anna - losing that game sent her to take her life.

[@peachygal4153]

Well, you can't say no Marigold and Bertie if she married Strallen. Strallen would have still gotten badly injured in the war. Edith would have gotten bored with being nursemaid, and Gregson could have still happened. Bertie too as Strallen being older when he was injured probably would not have made 60.

[@peachygal4153]

My cousin was badly injured in the Vietnam War and he was only 20. He ended up on dialyses from all the meds he took over the years destroyed his kidneys. He died at 58. Even though he lived almost 40 years longer, his injuries still shortened his life.

[@girlfromthebronxbywayofelb7288]

I'm sorry for your loss.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Theo James is ✨e x q u i s I t e✨

[@maureenhoran2143]

Nobody can carry a tray like Barrow

[@robboyte1101]

Please follow this up with something like "The Pamuk Scandal Fallout". There's plenty of that in Season 2, with Mary's relationships with Matthew and Sir Richard, as well as Robert being told by Cora.

[@marcojimenez595]

I would add Mr. Carson's contempt for Tom even more, whenever Tom asked if Mr. Pamuk was his to attend.

[@qqing-yq5nr]

That Turkish boy really stole Matthew's thunder.♎

[@abhilashmishra3601]

Mary introducing Kemal twice is so adorable 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@qqing-yq5nr]

The riding part here is spectacular.🎉

[@bcusaaus4749]

One of the best scenes , it got me hooked as well

[@VulcanTrekkie45]

I remember I first got into Downton Abbey after having just recently moved back from Turkey, then saw this. I was super excited that there was a Turkish character that was gonna be on the show. Then this guy shows up and my first impression was "This guy is definitely not Turkish"

[@carmenmonoxide7459]

Why would you think that? I'm not trying to troll but I'm curious. 🤔

[@VulcanTrekkie45]

@@carmenmonoxide7459 He doesn’t look Turkish. And then when I looked him up, I found out he’s half British and half Greek. Greeks and Turks do share some similarities, but Turks look a lot more Arab than Greeks do, as well as some central Asian heritage thrown in there as well. Compare what he looks like to some Turkish actors, like Cengiz Coşkun or Furkan Andıç

[@hippiebippie8870]

​@@VulcanTrekkie45Turkey used to be part of Greece, they still share a lot. Your comment is very stereotypical and wrong. I know Greeks who look more Middle Eastern than some Turks and I know some Turks who look whiter than some Greeks

[@VulcanTrekkie45]

@@hippiebippie8870 Did you miss the part where I said I lived over there?

[@maviskoon1509]

I don’t understand the fascination with Pamuk. He didn’t look very masculine at all.

[@deborahklinlger8565]

Mr. Pamuk was so handsome❤!!! He did force himself on Mary. Them carrying his body out was hystetical😂!!! I love this tv series.🎉❤😊

[@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066]

That was definitely coercive. She said no, and to leave several times.

[@e.m8784]

The question is: did Mr. Pamuk die on the point of the job or after it; each to its own!!

[@michaelmontagu3979]

He probably had a sub arachnoid brain haemorrhage, at a 'critical' moment 😉

[@Robert08010]

Did you hear the pretense fall off her face and crash on the gravel? @2:18

[@puppylove422]

The Cast Members of this show, are active now! Thanks to me :D . Brittney, Thursday, September, 28th, 2023.

[@kittykatz4001]

Mary got her “freak” on!

[@joyannmace3141]

My favorite English movie

[@tobynsaunders]

(It's from the tv show.)

[@user-qz1fy7kx1n]

Good grief-how many hounds do they really need for one fox?!

[@michaelmontagu3979]

It used to be about 20 to 30 couples of hounds for a hunt.

[@tomford8793]

Always found it strange that Mary leaves for a while when the story is finally published in the press, and yet we never hear about it ever again. Not a single mention after what was built up as a life-destroying scandal

[@h.huffen-puff4105]

'You presume correctly' is the proper phraseology. Thomas. Thomas.🤦‍♀️

[@grandmemaw3605]

She didn’t want to dishonor a dead man.

[@audreybuyrn8672]

"The pursuit of the inedible by the unspeakable."

[@BoRhapQueen1]

Thomas is the OG 😂😂

[@daddy4043]

Light house / merry 2 family awaited

[@DavidCodyPeppers.]

I wonder, if Mary ever told her Mother (or anyone else for that matter) about the letter Edith wrote. Peace! \o/

[@emilyburton4095]

I don't understand why Edith wrote the letter when she must have known she risked shaming the entire family.

[@hadiyazid]

Edith may have not thought it through and through. She was undeniably overwhelmed and overlooked in the family, including from her parents so the letter was her absolute ammunition in destroying Mary once and for all. Although I am glad the Edith found redemption in the end and was able to reconcile their differences.

[@dreamsteddybearsmaster]

​@@hadiyazidSadly though they lost their youngest sister in the process

[@qqing-yq5nr]

Matthew❤

[@tomandsharolyn]

Oh good grief…they act as though they’re trying to guard some big secret while the world is watching the whole sordid tale unfold. 😆😁

[@Ariana-wv4pf]

How come the Turk's accent is so perfectly British??!?!

[@michaelmontagu3979]

He probably went to a British public school

[@user1029xspl8dy]

Pamuk didn't respect consent and got a heart attack, Mary was a silly racist and wound up being publicly disgraced by the very man she initially looked down on. Poetic justice all around.

[@leylarustamova]

silly racist??

[@MarkT1700]

​@@leylarustamovaquite clearly.

[@perdikased]

There was clearly consent. Lady Grantham asked Lady Mary "did he force himself on you?" and Mary replied "no" with body language. Apart from that, If she was negative, she could have insisted that he gets off her room. Not only she didn't do that but she started to engage wilingfully to the act with her language, she asked "is it safe?" and then she started to enjoy the sexual bond with their kisses. Pamuk took the courage to go to her room because she flirted with him allover before. It was a risky decision that met the consent of the woman afterwards.

[@gerishine3584]

Ah, poor Mr Pamuk, Lady Mary was too much woman for him....

[@Aleastofus]

Oh my darling...

[@prins_af_danmark]

KEEPING YOUR EYES OPEN AND NOT MOVE AT ALL! SOME ACTING!

[@barnabyrt1012]

The Turkish guy did it on purpose, he threw a bait at Thomas to bribe him.

[@audioliquor]

That's so true!!! I never thought that he did it on purpose to blackmail Thomas!!

[@emilyburton4095]

Was his gaydar that good?

[@adriangilbert5364]

I'd imagine that's the benefit of being immensely beautiful. You learn people's desires and intentions early and plainly.

[@barnabyrt1012]

@@adriangilbert5364 I was very handsome when I was young, and could tell right away when someone felt attraction towards me.

[@joshmccollen700]

You know it smells crazy in that ladies dressing room.

[@herbertmartinez1735]

Lady Mary riding with two legs on one side of the horse is badass

[@hpavalferr7201]

🙂 👏🏻

[@robertoponce6716]

Mary is a survivor

[@travelstyle6436]

👏👏👏👏👏👏🙌

[@ky8519]

9:04 what is she even hiding

[@daddy4043]

New London 🇬🇧

[@francesbernard2445]

Lol. Would that T.V. series have been popular at all if there had not been such excellent wardrobing and set design for the same? Maybe why so many are constant chasing after the latest fashions while constant bringing their cast offs to offer for free to the second hand stores whenever they are not contracting out; if they can do fancier updates all the time to their dwelling places too. Shall I feel guilty for not doing my own yard work well enough now too while watching "Downtown Abbey" too?

[@johndoe-lm7ji]

Your bound to find something with all those dogs

[@Richardsonprincess00]

The Crawley ladies handle the cover up well... avoid the scandal.

[@Julie-jy5cj]

Mary et Pamuk je les adorais si il n'était pas mort lui et Mary ils seraient mariés et heureux ils étaient vraiments faits l'un pour l'autre

[@Heyy_itsJackie]

Day 66 asking for season 7 or a 3rd movie

[@marisolfernandez9356]

Third movie is coming!!!

[@daddy4043]

Free state

[@carlageldhof8664]

I didn't think Kemal was good looking at all

[@duckduckgoismuchbetter]

Get eyes checked, ASAP. 😂

[@teenie36214]

The actor is good looking but with the wig not so much lol 😂

[@ssansu]

I can see why some would consider him good looking, in a pretty way. I didn't find him attractive though.

[@study346]

Blasphemy!

[@Heyy_itsJackie]

Day 65 asking for season 7 or a 3rd move

[@qqing-yq5nr]

The prince of Turkey is so handsome. 🎉💞💕

[@franklesser5655]

How nice was life back then what with servants cooking, cleaning and dressing you.

[@alexanderchenf1]

How to decide who wears red and who wears black?

[@rachelgarber1423]

I found two reasons one has to do with winning first prize in a hunt, the other is red jackets or coats as they prefer to call them are worn by the Master of the Beagles

[@michaelmontagu3979]

​@rachelgarber1423 Members of the hunt wear what are referred to as pink coats. Guests and non members wear black.

[@alexanderchenf1]

@@michaelmontagu3979 make sense!

[@animatowner54dannapaolamen4]

Literal me ví una serie sobre los problemas de gente fifi

[@Mapqwerry]

He is a beautiful young man. Will not age well with those features. Ok actor.

[@daddy4043]

Alas "'

[@backtobaking4054]

It’s good that she was able to experience this, not the tragic part, but Particularly, dating while single. So that she can have a little more experience under her belt also to mature.

[@akap9612]

Lady Mary took it the Hershey way. 🎉🎉🎉

[@user-cs4bg1by2p]

And how do you know this?

[@daddy4043]

Fmc initiation awaited daddy pav after Mac 🍎💻

[@Starsnotdiamonds]

Theo James is not Turkish 😂

[@gailwebb9619]

Gee, really? What a bombshell! SMH.

[@karloslitchetanheim6873]

I always prefer servant William more than Mr. Pmuk. He's not good-looking, is he?

[@daddy4043]

Kiss 💋

[@dane4453]

Man, this show made me despise the aristocracy and royalty. 🤣🤣

[@neraratky]

At that time Turks didn't have surnames.

[@gailwebb9619]

That’s what you noticed about this scene? Wow.

[@neraratky]

@@gailwebb9619 yes. İt's not correct.

[@gailwebb9619]

@@neraratky It dosen’t mean that no Turks used surnames in that era. It may have been easier to introduce him to folks in the UK with both a first/last name. He was the son of a diplomate. And this isn’t a documentary…it’s a fictional series and he was in ONE episode.

[@neraratky]

@@gailwebb9619 he would be addressed by his name and Bey what would translate as sir

[@gailwebb9619]

@@neraratky you do realize this is a fictional series? And that Pamuk was in ONE episode?

[@beryanbeyaan8047]

France did the right thing by sending the lot like these to the gulliotine early on....

[@criteria9856]

Por esa regla de tres ahora también se podría mandar a la guillotina a muchos políticos.