LALONDE'S FUTURE, MONTGOMERY FIRED, & YZERMAN'S OPTIONS - Winged Wheel Podcast - Nov. 20th, 2024

[@MattMcRB]

I say we cut that patch off the jersey and hope the hockey gods forgive us for forsaking them

[@sydneytoker7390]

Truth

[@robertsaajson]

This is the way.

[@bar383]

The red wings make every team they play look like the stanley cup favorites

[@cdobson3141]

I slowed the play down where the puck went off Talbot's glove (13:29). He was screened by Chariot and Chariot made no attempt to block the shot. Talbot didn't see the puck until it had gone between Chariot's legs. Lazy defense. Talbot didn't have time to react to the shot and extend his glove in time before the puck was on him. The goal was more on Chariot than Talbot

[@wsujazz7]

Chariot does this a lot. He doesn’t read plays and situations well. Low hockey IQ. There was a play (I think in the ducks game) where Mo got burned and Chairot was to slow to read the fact that it was becoming a 2 on 1, he didn’t gap correctly and the ducks scored on a partial breakaway. It could have been a more defendable 2 on 1

[@cdobson3141]

@@wsujazz7 I agree 100%. I cannot believe the coaches don't find this unacceptable. this guy either has tremendously low hockey IQ or he is throwing games. He's terrible. The worst defender I've watched in decades of hockey. He is always out of position and the lack of physical play for his size is maddening.

[@shmurdabobby3034]

With Yzermans track record of not making any rash decisions or pulling the trigger too quickly I see him still believing in the Lalonde process for some reason, unfortunately we will just miss out on a bunch of good available coaches because nothing will change.

[@Schwartzkov]

I agree with this sentiment. I think lalonde has valid excuses, and I won't be surprised if yzerman thinks the same way. Red wings fans can't have fun during the regular season

[@PCPAyLOAD]

Unfortunately for this season I agree. Yzerman is not a rash or quick decision maker. He invested a boatload in the off-season on contracts and FA signings. Nothing about that was without Lalonde's input and plan. I think Yzerman is just in to deep at this point. I'll be extremely surprised if he fires this coaching staff before the end of the season unless fans literally go on strike in front of LCA.

[@Schwartzkov]

@@PCPAyLOAD yzerman has said in the past he isn't a fan of making a Boh change like that on the middle of the season. I agree with that idea to an extent. Currently there are alot of negative emotions toward the team and the coach and as a fan I agree with those emotions. But like you said yzerman sees 60 plus games remaining and plenty of time to play better. I hope they are either good enough to make playoffs or bad enough for the 1st pick. Nothing in-between would really help

[@shmurdabobby3034]

Even though this is painful if we can get a good coach locked in for next year I'd rather just suffer this year with Lalonde because if we can just aim for a super high pick at this point and just TANK. Our expectations are so low that if we magically made the playoffs we would just get mopped in the first round (we won't make the playoffs). With all of Yzermans past comments on how "he would like to get one of those superstars/he isn't sure how he would get one of those players" well surely finishing dead last will help in the draft which would boost our future dramatically. It is unlikely someone like 1st overall superstar will just sign with Detroit in free agency, but unfortunately it is really what we need.

[@PCPAyLOAD]

@shmurdabobby3034 I have the opposite philosophy. Waiting has its pitfalls to the mental side of the game that can linger well beyond the end of the season. Larkin and others busting their asses aren't getting any younger. If all you're going to do is kick the can you're better off benching half the team and bringing up as many kids from GR as the league will allow. I lean heavily toward coaching change now while the Wings are only a few points out of a wildcard. Get some fresh energy in the locker room now before its to late. Or even worse, players like Larkin push to hard to make up for the teams deficiencies and has a major injury.

[@TheChosenone0822]

Watch the Pre game warmups in the tunnel before walking out in San Jose. The body Language was noticeable. Idk what but looking at a glimpse of Raymond’s face in the clip, his face was like “Here we go again”.

[@WhiteMonkey66Fla]

I agree with the assessment on the future players abilities but the one aspect of this team that needs to be addressed is toughness and physicality this team doesn’t have it . I don’t think the prospect mentioned will bring that either. You mentioned in 3 years all the bad contracts will be gone kind of like a couple years ago and Yzerman messed that with his FA signings.

[@dj4aces]

Stevie has made moves mid-season in the past, but I also think if he does anything, he's gonna fire most of the folks on the bench, and that probably won't happen til the end of the season. It's easy to blame Newsy, but there's more problems behind the bench than just him.

[@brettmb1000]

Ryan saying this is a game players love to play but dont play like it. Insightful. Where is the love? the passion? the urgency?

[@rburge200]

Deep in Seider! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Polonolo99]

Where is Yzerman? We need to get him on camera.

[@CJKdrum711]

Actually a fan of the original title "Lalonde, Montgomery Fired." Never clicked on a link faster. Brilliant.

[@WingedWheelPodcast]

note to self: proofread titles three times when tired 😬

[@waterboy417]

Maybe it’s time to stop acting like we’re above teams like the ducks and sharks at this point, we are one of these worst teams right along with them

[@MGOBACK2BACK2BACK]

Open this app and I’m blessed

[@TheUnnamedAssailant]

Jim Montgomery is right there and Lalonde is a lost cause, unless you want to further push fans away with a crap product and lose money or piss off the players who have options to be elsewhere, get someone else to shake things up

[@jjcalvillo]

I’ve watched 2 OT losses where the opposing player showed up on net w/no Wing in the picture, and scored on basically a breakaway. Didn’t see any “LET’S GET THE 2ND POINT!” intensity. More like we got a point, that’s good enough.

[@bradymiller2852]

Should the wings look into selling high on Talbot, potentially for a high end prospect or high draft pick if he keeps his save percentage up.

[@shmurdabobby3034]

Yes and Lyon too he is on an amazing contract. Time to start making some big changes, no reason we should be this awful just from what we lost.

[@justinshields3819]

Kane and Lyon are trade chips. I could see Yzerman wanting to trade Patrick Kane(50% retained) and Eric Gustavsson to New Jersey for Anton Silayev and Branden Dillon(cap dump). Alex Lyon could garner a 3rd or 2nd round draft pick.

[@ZachDET]

Don’t forget Amadeus Lombardi

[@JackConrad-e4v]

Nah. Keep Talbot. In 2025 he could be teaching Cossa. At his cap hit is reasonable. Of course Talbot will let in softies. He isn’t a 925 goaltender and never was expected to be.

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

Yzerman would never get fired but I think they would push him up into the Devallano role and put someone else at the helm of GM. I think Sakic did the same thing. I think he’s a good forward thinking GM, his staff around him though is leaves a lot to be desired. Pro scouting needs to go.

[@pz29]

The scariest part is that Lalonde himself does not seem to care. I watch his after-the-game commens, and he just seems indifferent. In his world, just some small things around the edges need to change. No, Derek, nothing, with the exception of the powerplay, is working.

[@danb239]

Berggren on the 1st line and Tarasenko on 3rd line

[@larrylaferriere3075]

Don't think so, they are going to bury Berggren on the 4th line, looks like they have reunited the Copp-Ras-Fischer line. It's all Berggren's fault.

[@europason2293]

We're in a tough spot. I've been on the fire Lalonde train since last December and think a change should have been made during the offseason. That said, we're approaching a point where a decision needs to be made now or in the upcoming offseason, and nothing inbetween. Are we bad enough to tank for a top 3 pick in the draft? On paper, absolutely not, but we did just lose pretty handily to two bottom feeders in ANA and SJ, so maybe we are? Better coaches don't grow on trees, and when guys like Jim Montgomery or Joel Quennville become available, you better swoop them up while you can before someone else does, but I'm afraid that a coaching change could see a bump where we finish the season in a similar spot as last year; just barely missing the playoffs and drafting 12-16. I'm sure Yzerman is making these very calculations, and there is no clear answer. I think if we continue losing in similar fashion through December, his hand will be forced.

[@jrago73]

I wonder how much time Ryan saves in show prep each week, never having to change the rundown other than opponent names.

[@ajmpatriot4899]

Well, looks like we need to rebuild. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 😂 I had to. If the Wings were a borderline playoff team I can see changing coaches. They’re not. But, Yzerman isn’t a “tank” kind of guy and I think most fans aren’t either because that’s just giving up. We want effort at all times. Who’s in charge of player effort?

[@jessecoonce1363]

The players?

[@b-retrogamer2324]

The Captain

[@2001lextalionis]

hard to change anything with all those NTC handed out like candy by Detroit

[@danb239]

Only Kane and Tarasenko have to approve a trade, the rest are mostly 10 team no trade list

[@kanetyler4399]

Yo it’s time to start the prospect profiles we are getting a top 5 pick.

[@Jarenballor]

I appreciate the conversation and optimism. But if our ceiling is the 2019 blues. That’s super tough. The 19 blues were an anomaly, and got on the hottest streak after firing a coach. The red wings are not that, and won’t do that. The blues have been miserable since. A complete anomaly that would never happen again. We have some glaring problems in Detroit going forward

[@babyface76]

What happened to Soderblom? Two years ago I was hyped up for the Redwoods line with him rasmussen and sundquist. Fischer is roughly the same type as Sundquist, so why not try that again?

[@patrickgaughan1199]

He's a total defensive liability. Career ahler

[@billjohansson88]

@@patrickgaughan1199 Yea Soderblom is the most overhyped prospect RW has i nthe pipeline. He will probably never be anything more than an AHL player. However, he did have some qualities but not at the level required to be fully successful in the NHL. Not bad for a youngster who was taken in the 6th round once upon a time, I recken ge will going back to Sweden and play in the SHL in the future.

[@jeffreywetzel6475]

He still hasn’t figured out that he’s 6’8

[@brianmcevoy1990]

Anyone else notice how quiet the LCA has been this season? Unless they score a goal it is so dead and the only chants we get are the cringe inducing Goff chants. Seriously cheer for the damn team on the ice those guys need all the support they get and if they stink boo the hell out of them and maybe try a new chant like Fire Lalonde?

[@gavinmarion91]

To DET - David Jiricek // To CBJ - Joe Veleno, 2025 2nd, Antti Tuomisto Call Mazur up for Velenos roster spot and send Holl down for a spot for Jiricek

[@ImGettinWeird]

Its so much better without evan sitting there looking pissed off texting under the table all show long.

[@sawchucksaves1867]

He should be dropped from the show permanently. He adds absolutely nothing

[@ImGettinWeird]

@sawchucksaves1867 I'm not a die-hard fan of the show so I don't watch every episode and usually don't watch the whole video in its entirety but his monotone, low energy, always looking like he'd rather be in bed, texting on the phone and just overall negative demeanor is probably one of the main reasons I don't watch more of this podcast.

[@randombutrelevant]

Just don't think people understand how good this is. What if we finish bottom 3? I'm stoked. Chance at a top 1-5 pick, we have a couple good core pieces signed, GT in GR that's doing well, ASP maturing, SE doing well, progressing, one step closer to some awful contracts coming of the books, Danielson maturing (love to see him come up in a couple months and get a look and see what he can do) We need to draft (and have the guy turn out as) a #1 C. I am not upset about Lalonde or this season. Why? I never got my hopes overinflated to now be deflated. Not dumb. Look at OTT and BUFF, I don't think fans (of any rebuilding teams) know how long it takes for windows to open for them and windows to close for the 'old guard' Look at BOS, literally they were 'toast' since SCF against STL, now it's finally happening 5-6 YEARS later. My disappointment was getting ADB, that should have been weaponized cap space and we keep the picks vs send to OTT. ZERO loyalty. We should have told Larkin 'Listen, I'm gonna deal you to a contender for a 1st and 3rd, you can compete for a cup, then we'll re-sign you as a UFA' THAT WAS THE MOVE. We should have gotten much cheaper 'place holders' besides FFS Copp, Compher, Chariot, Holl, cheaper guys on 1-2 year deals, tank proper, weaponize, acquire picks and pects. We need to just be happy we are not 'on the cusp' of being a PO team, then finish 10th, pick 14th and miss out on a top 1-5 pick. Our biggest problem is going to be MTL, they are absolutely destroying 19 in asset management, pick stockpiling, cap space. Hughes (although ever so slightly different situation) did what 19 should have been doing or should have done. This is not even close to being on Lalonde. Nor was it on Montgomery. Like people are saying with Moore 'He sucks at coaching' Nah, he lost 18 starters (won his 4 games as HC and was the OC to a Natty) his coaching skills don't 'magically' disappear. Same with Monty, when he had the right personnel, he literally coached a team to the best reg season all time, then they lost some (key) guys and FFS signed Zad and Elias who have done nothing and might do nothing for duration of their contracts. So, they basically have an aging BM, Pasta and Swayman. We have Seider, Raymond, Larkin and kind of Talbot (who we should be trading at the line for whatever we can get)

[@Fitsu13]

At this point, I'm hoping we're bad enough this year that we get a top pick who can slot into the top 6 as a young superstar. Lol

[@jeffreywetzel6475]

Too soon

[@Fitsu13]

@jeffreywetzel6475 That depends on whether you think narrowly missing the playoffs or getting swept rd 1 and picking 15th - 18th is better. I'd rather they be a real contender in a few years than perpetually mediocre.

[@zachary82]

Brad Buchelnikov not being in the equation 3 months ago was because you weren’t paying attention 😏

[@mattwilliams2675]

how about we hire jim Montgomery as head coach and keep lalonde as assistant coach, kinda see if the players respond to a different coach before canning him completely

[@TheDevilsKnot]

Wait, Jeff Blashill left?

[@RC-tm8jo]

What would it take for Darren McCarty to lose faith in the Yzerplan? Is there any possibility whatsoever that he could?

[@billjohansson88]

No base on pure self-denial and pride as obstacles as they all have one thing in common, played on the same team and won.

[@billjohansson88]

Edit. Regarding DRW's future, it is not at all as bright as some want to make it out to be. Here it comes down to what "most" people do wrong is to overestimate the capabilities found in the RW pipeline. You both say what many others do, see it very positively when there is no basis for such an attitude. For players who are taken in the first round #6-15, the odds of them reaching the NHL are in the low double digits, the odds are so low that and here comes the big kicker. Namely, many of us tend to praise DRW for their draft skills. S.Y has not been successful with anyone outside the first round regardless of position. In fact, S.Y and his staff are useless at picking gems or hidden talents, the one that stood out is Mo who was taken when they had the opportunity to do so. Most others had lower rank on MO's and not likely that he would be available for DRW, there of their choice. During the last nine years, there is no US youth player drafted by DRW as a player in the NHL. US youngsters dominate U14-16 and so on. And many of us blame DRW's bad luck with the draft draw and it's rigged (maby). The pattern here that IF and BUT X or Y should fall in for this to work out better for DRW than the current one. And then we only talk about young people in our ranks who don't get/take a place in the NHL. The DRW pipeline is not as deep as many would like to think it is. DRW has loads of averages players in their ranks, it is true that there are a few who have more potential than most. However, the odds are the same for them as all other teams. The difference is that other teams have drafted better players. You won't find two identical players drafted by S.Y, this means that there is a better chance that someone will succeed e.i on Goalkeeper. When it comes to the depth, it is thin when it comes to other than those that we usually name e.i. what is behind ASP? This lack also means that S.Y misses out on the free market, as his track record is not much to write home about. Here we come back to actions, not only the head coach bears a responsibility but so does the DRW GM. The most positive thing about how DRW plays today is that this probably gives them a higher draft pick, so why not burn down the house and sell what can be sold...

[@tallesttreeintheforest]

its fine line between good teams, mediocre teams and bad teams in the NHL.. i do not like when people go "oh, that is a bad team, we should win this easy", unless you are good and you play well, you will lose against "bad" teams. in the end of the day, Detroit has chiarot, gustafsson, petry and holl, eating up defensive minutes, that is what a "bad" teams defense looks like.

[@davidlaffin5747]

It's funny how most people blamed Holland for leaving so many bad contracts for Steve, and here is Steve with a bunch of bad contracts, and his up against the cap. Perhaps the guy who should be fired is Steve!

[@TheJf89]

I love yzerman. I'm still a believer. But i feel like we are back to the same situation where our team is lacking talent while being at the cap ceiling. Nielson,Weiss,Abdelkador...Copp, Compher, gustavsson,charot,holl..... The only silver lining is the term isn't for infinity years like the former. Puts us in a shitty spot for the next few years. Lack of talent is on Stevie. Lack of effort and execution is on lalonde. They look disorganized at best. We play dump and chase with guys like Kane and Debrincat and wonder why they aren't producing smh.

[@danb239]

I definitely see the similarities between the bad contracts Holland left and the ones Yzerman gave out, good news is that all Yzerman's bad contracts are coming off the books in the next year or two and the Wings have Seider, Edvinsson, Raymond and a stacked prospect pool. If Berggren, Johansson pan out that would be huge, maybe Veleno and Rasmussen will get their shit together at some point.

[@patrickgaughan1199]

​@@danb239 that "stacked" prospect pool means nothing if they don't pan out, and it doesn't change the fact that Yzerman has completely shit the bed on FA signings and it must be addressed moving forward. You can't win thru just the draft. You have to get the right pieces in FA and apparently Yzerman can't do that. 6 Years shows it

[@danb239]

@patrickgaughan1199 You can't win through the draft? WTF you talking about? You can't win through free agency. Yzerman also had to give out short term contracts and avoid long ones so he couldn't get the best free agent when he isn't willing to give out term.

[@patrickgaughan1199]

@@danb239 Chariot at 5 years , copp at 5, compher 5 years, those aren't short term, those are all bad contracts. And since you can't read I'll type it again you can't win thru JUST the draft, you have to good FA signings, Yzerman sucks at it currently

[@carmanwright2889]

Lalonde not only doesn’t inspire this team, he’s a massive energy drain.

[@jeffreywetzel6475]

MARNER! / Larks / Raymond Buchelnikov / Danielson / MBN Berggren / Kasper / Mazur Ras / Lombardi / Finnie Ed / Seider ??? / ASP AJo / ??? Cossa Augustine The future is very bright (Marner is not resigning in Toronto after what that organization and those fans have done to him)

[@Drake_4]

At this point lets hope we get a good lottery pick.

[@babyface76]

Replace Lalonde with Federov, which also encourages Buchelnikov to come over sooner.

[@nvsblty]

Why does the coach have to motivate these guys? They should be playing hard every night regardless of who the coach is.

[@PCPAyLOAD]

Far to many shadows overcasting the few bright spots on this team. Time for a new locker room voice to re-energize this team. Larkin can't do it all on his own. Read his body language. He looks completely deflated and it gets worse and worse every game. Yzerman needs to be concerned about his captains mental state above his completely inept coaching staff.

[@justinshields3819]

Detroit Red Wings dream scenario leading up to their future line-up 2029-2030 est: Detroit during the 2024-2025 season unfortunately are out of the playoffs by the deadline. Yzerman trades Patrick Kane (50% retained) and Eric Gustavsson to New Jersey Devils for Anton Silayev and Brenden Dillon (cap dump). Detroit has a terrible season and ends up drafting 3rd overall in the NHL 2025 1st round draft. Yzerman drafts Michael Misa at 3rd overall. Detroit Red Wings 2029-2030 line-up: Kasper Misa Raymond Mazur Larkin Buchelnikov Lombardi Danielson MBN Finnie Plante Kiiskinen N.D.Nilsson Edvidsson Seider Silayev ASP Buium Tuomisto Wallinder Cossa Augustine

[@TWKozak-hs9bo]

I began watching the Wings in '73. Tuned them out some time ago. This year's version of the team have turned me into a Pistons fan. I don't merely blame Lalone for the pathetic on-ice product. I blame the man who put the roster together, Yzerman. The Yzerplan is a bust.

[@klompsauce]

Newsie should be canned, and Montgomery is available...

[@Septembersmith9633]

Do you even listen to the podcast and what the guys say or just pretend it's your podcast and you're the only one in the room talking?

[@tallesttreeintheforest]

i miss the optimism when prospects was atleast given a chance, instead of these "established" bottom six dinosaurs that doesnt do anything.

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

This team was one year off from making the playoffs. The Atlantic is not good this year and last years team could have easily been 2nd or 3rd. But we can’t have nice things.

[@chriskennedy5341]

We have to stop saying anyone other than Detroit is the “worst team in hockey” 😂

[@JackConrad-e4v]

The roster showed some regression this year. But I def blame the coach. Look at the top 2 lines. Especially with kasper coming up and bringing it on. Is it top ten in the league. Probably not. Is it better than 30th without a second thought. The power play shows the offensive ability. What these guys said about effort reigns true 100%. It looks and feels like they gave up on Lalonde style of play. Maybe that’s immature of the players and they should grow up. It’s really hard to say that a coaching change wouldn’t inspire more effort tho. I’m on board for Quenneville even with his off ice issues. But if Lalonde isn’t fired soon. That coach will be taken. Quenneville record is staggering. I doubt he makes the redwings make the playoffs this year. D core is too horrible. But I bet he makes the team a team again.

[@lochheadesl6631]

sheesh good job having level headed take, HF boards overly reactionary.

[@klompsauce]

LGRW

[@bradleystroh3649]

It's over. And Larkin is being wasted wish the kid had a way out

[@sharifelsaadany2057]

Unless something changes the Holland prophecy will come true. 10 year rebuild. 😔

[@Bulltrapaskslap]

Good lord holl and gust for 2 years ffs steve

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

Give Seider the C. Might be controversial because Larkin is a great player but lift that burden off his shoulders. Seider would do great. Larkin gets the A, Kane gets the A, Seider gets the C.

[@davideggleston1031]

And what has Kane done to deserve a A. He is not a team player.

[@danb239]

Lalonde is unable to make adjustments, motivate this team, discipline this team. The dump and chase, no offense system is never going to work in the NHL and players seem to hate it. That should be enough reason to get rid of Lalonde, I don't blame Yzerman but if he doesn't get rid of Lalonde he isn't serious about winning this year and is purposely tanking. Chiarot and Petry suck but Lalonde is the one who refuses to split them up or even scratch them. Lalonde keeps playing Chiarot and scratching Johansson, scratches Holl and plays Petry no matter how bad he is. If he scratched Petry for Holl last year they would have made the playoffs.

[@seanorr2003]

This is Steve fault he build this team . He has us cap out and can't sign a good FA if he tried. He did nothing to make this team better in the off season. May know trade at the deadline last year to help his team make a playoff run. We had the worse defense for 3yr . Steve needs to be accountable for his mistakes

[@EYEKN0WALL]

Time for a change ya'all tonight when Wings lose against NY Islanders, tomorrow Lalonde is gone.

[@whysoserious8666]

No hit, no speed, no skill hockey. When you look around and you are losing to the worst teams in the league, then you’re the worst team.

[@zacharykowalczyk4782]

I do not care who it it, it cannot continue to be LaLonde

[@workshoptelescope]

Interesting notion trading for Zegras, however counterintuitive it seems.

[@templetonvonfleshbeak8915]

so sick of hearing about him the guy sucks

[@maxhornell6820]

@@templetonvonfleshbeak8915he just needs a fresh start. he’s very talented

[@travhurst4167]

Zegras has effort issues and he doesnt play any defense. The wings have enough of that already.

[@workshoptelescope]

@@travhurst4167 Hence, my use of "counterintuitive". Team's built bad and a trade isn't going to fix it this season. It's still interesting, mostly for Zegras's career. he's been linked to Montreal for so long that it's truly shocking it hasn't already happened.

[@patrickgaughan1199]

​@@workshoptelescopethat is in no way interesting to anyone who cares about the wings, zegras is completely irrelevant to the fullest extent possible

[@yamadakuh1844]

How come the Red Wings ownership has such a long leash???? Any reasonable person can see Yzerman does not know how to build a contender even with high draft picks and ocean full of cap space. He should have gone long time ago along with Lalonde. Idiots.

[@JackConrad-e4v]

Here is my 2 cents. Lalonde needs fired this year. Maybe it doesn’t happened till the end of the season but it needs to happen. His chain is gone completely. And the team has lost any faith in him. Sooner the better. But yzerman may wait out the season which I think is a mistake. Second. I’m a huge yzerman fan. Always have been. I don’t even mind him as a gm either. But the cards in the 2025 season are in favor of the playoffs. Bad contracts come off. Other bad contracts are only a year off so he could move or buy them out without too much impact. Asp might be ready to take the reins in the nhl. Or at least ahl being able to get called up. Cossa and or Augustine could be ready to take over for Lyon at the very least. Yzerman may only need to make 1 trade for a puck moving defender and will have the cap space to do it. Without worrying about seider or Raymond contracts. If yzerman doesn’t make the playoffs in 2025 he’s gone too. I’ll cut him slack this offseason because moving those contracts would have costed quite a bit of picks. When in 1 year they come off the books. Smart move. Don’t get rid of the future for one year to just slide into playoffs and lose. 2024 Lalonde gone. 2025 yzerman gone.

[@JackConrad-e4v]

Just think. Without moving any bad contracts and just letting Husso and Holl walk without loss of draft picks. That’s 8 mil in cap. The d core could look like this very easily. Seider/edvisson , asp/ 8 mil left hand def, Johansson/chiarot. That’s vastly superior to todays d core and would only require one trade with available cap automaticly

[@casewojo6186]

I can’t stand to even look at Lalonde, he just irritates me so goddamn badly. Low event, fruitless, and I would dare say, a damaging system. The players look miserable, and the players are actually getting worse. I really do think 70% of what’s happening is the coaching system. Yes, we have roster issues, significant ones, but we should be at least seeing high energy from our players. It’s an unmitigated disaster. Lalonde needs to go, the players don’t respect him, and neither do I.

[@davideggleston1031]

Year six of the Yzerplan and Brad wants us to wait two more years for the prospects to make the team. No way would I trade Rass for a 1st round bust in Columbus even one that shoots right handed. Rassumsen is one of the few Wing forwards that would go thru a wall to win and he is one of the few with size. The 3rd line with Rass, JT and Copp was a bright spot last year. Neither Copp or Compher are have the same success this year without Rass on their line. I would be more amenable with trading ASP for a proven right shot NHL defenseman. Pellikka refused to come to America this year so he could chase big stats in the Swedish league. Sounds like a young version of Kane.

[@billjohansson88]

You can never be further from the truth than you are making yourself out to be here. ASP has said all along that he wants to play a third JVM for Sweden. Very few players are given such an opportunity and he sees it as an honor to belong to a unique group of youngsters who did. When it comes to "stats", ASP is really not a "stats player" but a very stable person who is close to the earth, still a very young person though. He also had said that he wants to continue to develop before taking the next step across the continent. ASP has had very rapid development and staying in Sweden is only positive as he plays in a very good team and is given lots of opportunities in all situations. Today he can be seen as an established player in the SHL, not a noob. There is no reason for him or others today to take the step over to the AHL if they cannot manage to take a place in the NHL. The AHL is a worse league than the SHL and as long as DRW doesn't solve its problems, ASP will do better in Sweden. Personally, I think most people have an overconfidence in ASP's ability, I see it as obvious that he will do a year in GR before he is completely successful and that has only to do with his style and size & speed in the NHL today. It will take time for him to adapt 110% to a life across the Atlantic. RW can afford to use time to his advantage.

[@davideggleston1031]

@@billjohansson88 So you agree that it was his decision to stay another year in Sweden. Do you think the Wings brass preferred that he come over and play in the AHL this year? You agree that it will require a year to adjust to the smaller ice surface. Do you think we need a offensive defenseman on the right side defense sooner rather than later? If all this is true then his decision to not come over was putting his personal wishes ahead of those of upper management. Is he a guy who will go thru a wall for the team. I doubt it.

[@billjohansson88]

@@davideggleston1031 -Yes and he has also signed his ELC so then the decision is also anchored with the front office of RW. Do you think the Wings brass preferred that he come over and play in the NHL this year? - What they think is uninteresting to me, what matters is his ELC contract that both parties have signed. If you personally have a problem with it, contact Steive. You agree that it will require a year to adjust to the smaller ice surface. - No, I think size doesn't matter as much as so many people over there think they do. And I believe they tat than play several matches of that size already for several years. I personally think that everyone from EU/RU needs time to adapt to new environment and cultures and ASP is still a very young person. Do you think we need an offensive defenseman on the right side defense sooner rather than later? - Personally, I think we need three LW forwards and then we need 4 defenders who all know how to play that roll. I don't count Johansson as he is a rookie this year, those requirements/expectations will come next year. Burger was placed in the 4th line last time and Motte played in the 1st line lol. If all this is true then his decision not to come over was putting his personal wishes ahead of those of upper management. - Well, it only reinforces that the decision was made by two parties even more so here. Is he a guy who will go through a wall for the team. I doubt it. - If that is a requirement you have, then good luck finding 23 players who can be signed by Steive based on such a template. As a desktop GM, you should realize for yourself how stupid this argument really is. Good luck with your NHL 2024 season and have a nice weekend.0

[@danb239]

Just please don't lose to Ottawa

[@JamesAdgett]

The Red Wings are boring team They're now fun to watch at all They give continuously give the puck away. I can't score They can't even pass the puck to each other. Stevie why better make a change or this season is over with before it even started The head coach needs to be replaced and they need to get some talent what they're putting on the ice couldn't even win in the AHL

[@ChristopherNichols-j4x]

Jim Montgomery is not the answer. He sucks in the playoffs. Hire coach Q now!

[@BrentNinedorf]

Gotta get to the playoffs to suck in the playoffs though…. He does at least that.