LAMPARD vs DE BRUYNE - Who is the Premier League GOAT?

The Kick Off react to De Bruyne’s amazing premier league return!
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[@ryanschultz4119]

KDB's extended absence really has given me an immense appreciation for him as an all-time great of the game. And just how much he has meant to Manchester City. And for those thinking his time is coming to an end. KDB doesn't rely on athleticism. He can simply play deeper as he ages. And/or for shorter periods in games.

[@tawedzerwazhou9951]

They clearly don’t know ball if they have to ask if Lampard was ever the best midfielder… #2 balon dor

[@MaZaCar_Xiaoyu]

You mean Iike in 18/19 when you guys comfortably won the title with KDB missing the whole season? LMAO

[@Mavolovolo-zc4lm]

KDB can't play deep he's not press resistance

[@HZFilmz]

you don’t think pep would teach tiki to him or just spray a ball out for an attack when he’s pressed

[@Mavolovolo-zc4lm]

@@HZFilmz KDB is amazing at passing, crossing,both feet, carrying the ball, shooting, long passing,but he's not press resistance,not a good dribbler,not good in tight spaces, controlling games but he's amazing at what he does he's the 2nd greatest midfielder in EPL history second to Lampard -MAN CITY

[@mojofo2115]

It’s time to give credit where credit is due and Kevin is one of the best midfielders to go down in the hardest football league. A lot of people won’t be able to cope with it but give Kevin the recognition he deserves.

[@niranjanrajesh1058]

seems like you arent giving the credit either? "One of the best midfielders to go down in the hardest league" Seriously? Even kdb haters(if they exist) know this. He is far and away the greatest mid in pl history, i say this as a chelsea fan, and a lot of liverpool, united and liverpool fans will agree. The real debates are his position in the debate of greatest pl players ever, which most people agree is close to henry if not better than henry. And also where he is when it comes to greatest mids in football history

[@niranjanrajesh1058]

seems like you arent giving the credit either? "One of the best midfielders to go down in the hardest league" Seriously? Even kdb haters(if they exist) know this. He is far and away the greatest mid in pl history, i say this as a chelsea fan, and a lot of liverpool, united and liverpool fans will agree. The real debates are his position in the debate of greatest pl players ever, which most people agree is close to henry if not better than henry. And also where he is when it comes to greatest mids in football history

[@darthpepe2994]

@@niranjanrajesh1058 No, they don't know this. Kevin De Bruyne will go down as a great, but the greatest ever? Can't defend, he's no leader, he's never gone head to head with someone as good as him out on top, and he's never won a trophy on his own with a defining moment. Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard, Vieira and Keane offered far more to their teams than simple talent. Let me be though; that doesn't mean De Bruyne doesn't deserve to go down as a great, he is a great, but the GOAT? Sorry; no.

[@james59044]

He is the best

[@mojofo2115]

@@niranjanrajesh1058 I have no idea how you took what I said that seems I don’t give him credit but I literally said give him the credit he deserves. He’s a PL legend

[@samkkx]

Ability wise KDB is the best we have ever seen in midfielde. I haven't seen any players pull of, outrageous passes like him on the regular. With one passes he can take half of the opponent players out of the game. He would have had more magical assists if Sterling and Jesus didn't miss golden opportunities he used to creat.

[@guilhermevieira6010]

Scholes pulled of outrageous passes like him on the regular

[@abethebae6018]

Not gonna lie, as a Chelsea fan I’ve seen Gerrard pull off some impressive passes that are similar to KDB’s passes. It’s hard to say one is better than the other because they played in different eras, in different teams and systems

[@UnapologeticRed]

@@abethebae6018Xabi Alonso better passer than De Bruyne

[@user-bq2tc6dh6t]

All pro footballer should be able to pass the ball 10 metres

[@Bsnaoa]

@@guilhermevieira6010 and KDB does it on the regular, only thing is scholes had the best strikers in the world, KDB had Jesus and still has more assists in 9 years than scholes 20 years

[@RJ-st2fq]

Lampard was runner up for the FIFA World POTY & Ballon d’Or in 2005 & winner of the 2008 UEFA Midfielder of the year. Was the first PL Midfielder alongside Makelele to ever get in the FIFA World XI.

[@userhdbfdfjkhfdhf]

KDB's assist stats were wasted for a few years with Jesus and Sterling consistently threw away chance after chance that KDB handed to them on a plate week in week out!

[@fivestarman5130]

What are you talking about? De Bruynes best individual season stats wise was the 19/20 season where Aguero was declining. De Bruyne was City's best player in that 21/22 season where they didn't play with a traditional striker

[@patrickbateman7769]

@@fivestarman5130but also Goals that season were spread amongst the players tho.

[@vikasmishra4167]

@@fivestarman5130 He is absolutely right about everything he said. KDB would have had 30 assists in league alone if our forwards didn't take a leave from their job in 19/20

[@seriflelic9738]

No matter which team you support gotta say KDB is a special special player,happy to see him back playing

[@wesleygatzke9545]

He just makes the game look so easy... really inspirational

[@ultimategamer8330]

People saying Gerrard like tf you on. His completed football, been the best Midfielder in the world for good 5 years, consistently performing whenever he plays. Assist record, individual awards as well as being the best player in the best team in the world. His only gonna get his flowers when he retires, this guy is absolutely true World class.

[@roronoalaw7772]

I don’t think it’s insane to say Gerrard is still better, the amount of world 11s he was voted into, every elite manager in Europe wanted him and his big game performances. For me, it’s close between the two, I’d lean towards KDB but if somebody said Gerrard, that’s fair enough.

[@ultimategamer8330]

@@roronoalaw7772 his best premier league highlight is slip against Chelsea. He hasn’t won the league so How can he be the best

[@qays8754]

@@ultimategamer8330bruh have u seen the old Liverpool? Even Messi wouldn’t win the PL with that team

[@ultimategamer8330]

@@qays8754 if thats the case then Matt le tessier is up there then too.

[@Bsnaoa]

@@qays8754 Torres, Xabi, Kolo toure, mascherano, Pepe reina, Suarez, Gerrard, Daniel agger, that’s a pretty stacked team so that excuse won’t work

[@X360PHILNUMBR1]

Yes, he is and if you disagree you are woefully wrong. He has surpassed every Midfield Premier League legend that there has ever been in the English game. More assists than Scholes, Gerrard and now Lampard. He is the complete midfielder, the man can do EVERYTHING.

[@NamedNamelessName]

No he isnt, what’s blud yapping about

[@timmy5876]

maybe cus he is an attacking midfielder, it’s like saying maddison is a much better midfielder than rodri cus his numbers are clear, or gibbs white is better than bernardo silva, they’re definitely not better players but cus they’re more attacking they’ll have better numbers. Gerrard played as an 8 a lot and even a 6, he played as a 10 at times ofcourse but not for his whole career. Kdb has played as a false 9 a lot for city when they didn’t have a proper striker.

[@0riginalFIR3]

@@timmy5876forget the stats then. The ‘eye test’ makes it obvious. They couldnt and didnt do whats he done. Where as kdb has done and is doing what they did and more. The only thing they have on him is they could put in a better tackle.

[@timmy5876]

@@0riginalFIR3 literally just not true, i can’t think of a pass or goal kdb has done which gerrard, lampard or scholes hasn’t replicated. I haven’t seen kdb do what gerrard did in a UCL final against a team of icons, nor has he scored a goal like gerrard in the FA cup final against west ham

[@X360PHILNUMBR1]

@@NamedNamelessName He's 3rd in all time assists in the Premier League and is 8 away from being number 2. He is the best midfielder in Premier League history. He's blown Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes' records out the water in 9 years mate.

[@TorontoGooner]

Lampard ahead of De Bruyne 😂😂 are you mad, he was good but plz just stop it. How many of those Lampard goals are penaltys?

[@333lih]

he scored 60 pens but he still has over 200 without them, though de bruyne has more assists, but what i dont get is do people dont remember how good lampard was?! the guy plays like he has eyes on the back of his eyes, he was a genius with both feet and head goals, and the bulldog gerrard even though he is not as good as lampard going forward he was still close and can play anywhere in midfield

[@vikasmishra4167]

@@333lih People do but people also see how much better KDB is at football than Lampard ever was.

[@marcusgordon]

Gerrard scored more pens than Lampard by % so it's funny when people say this, because it you look at the split between pens vs open play goals, Lampard had less pens than Gerrard.

[@sidbob1215]

More than a quarter of lampard a premier league goals were penalties. 43 out of 170 or something.

[@parousia7165]

if KDB played 20 seasons in the premiere league we never been talking about who's the best .KDB should have 300 assists .KDB is the best player the premier league ever had .

[@1comfyfan]

he doesnt have to play 20 seasons,. hes into his 7th season and nearly 3rd in the all time PL assists

[@TechNology-hr7gt]

Or if he had a British passport

[@kweku_tate07]

Yeah, without oil money

[@darthpepe2994]

can't defend, isn't a leader/captain, never gone head to head with someone as good as him and come out on top, never won a trophy on his own with a defining moment. He's a great player but Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Keane & Vieira offered far more than just talent with a ball at their feet + Goal/Assist stats. And before you answer know this; Zidane only ever once got double digits for goals in a season, and he's the best midfielder in modern history. Again; there's more to the game than simple talent and stats.

[@parousia7165]

@@darthpepe2994 sure mate 😂🤣 we all take you seriously 😂🤣

[@mrhussain9008]

You know how people say "if Gerrard went to Chelsea or Man United in his prime there would be no debate as to who is the greatest midfielder in PL history" KDB is that. He is prime Gerrard, but actually playing at a successful team..thats the most praise i can give him. Greatest PL midfielder of all time. Liverpool fan.

[@kazoh0lic]

He's Gerrard without the work-rate/defensive side.

[@edtcreative]

All this has done is remind me that you lot stopped us seeing Slippy play under Jose. The PL were robbed of what could've been a elite midfield duo. 😢😢 But I do hear your point 😉

[@roronoalaw7772]

Gerrard is still more complete as he’s better defensively but I’m still undecided who the better player is

[@BeansBeansBeans]

KDB is solely attacking, Gerrard was on every blade of grass

[@aidanjohnburke7629]

Gerrard was better..

[@bunheng4425]

People will always mock City every time they put up a statue eventho they are David Silva, Aguero....... But when it come to KDB, no matter where we are from, we are agree that KDB deserves his statue for Man City.

[@Intellifacts__]

Facts 😂

[@mathieuz.1243]

Kdb top 3 PL players of all time and best midfielder in PL history

[@therealhb1763]

He isnt mo, henry and hazard is above him

[@samkkx]

​@@therealhb1763 how is hazard on this list? Salah is way ahead of hazard.

[@roronoalaw7772]

@@therealhb1763Hazard? 😂

[@revoksfn7354]

​@@therealhb1763hazard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 not even close

[@therealhb1763]

@@samkkx i said mo idiot

[@faz8055]

KDB is the best midfielder we have ever seen in this country, you're a nostalgia merchant if you think otherwise, we are witnessing something special 💯💯

[@UnapologeticRed]

He's literally Lampard and Beckham level. It's not my fault you weren't born yet.

[@apjbrw]

Beckham loool. Come on now he is not anywhere near the conversation. What do any of these guys have on KDB anymore? Just accept it brother.

[@D4NAFC]

Fabregas?

[@ripvanwincle2258]

City fan by any chance?

[@PatrickKelly-lz3pv]

Scholes

[@USC9210]

KDBs impact is immense, but it the "freaky" eye candy he brings to the game that makes his game 1 or 2 all-time to watch in the PL.

[@niranjanrajesh1058]

EXACTLY. Lampard was my favourite player for a decade, but the truth is that his main selling point is that he scores goals and assists. He scored the occasional beauty, but most of his goals were quite ugly, and even his fantastic passes were quite basic. Kdb has better stats(g/a per 90), ridiculously enough i remember seeing him in the list of top 30 highest g/a per 90 in pl history.

[@WalmeriGaming]

One of the most telling things of KdB's levels is that Pep has said Kev would make it in to any team he has coached. Now when you think of the midfielders Pep had at especially Barca, that says a lot. You could say Pep is just hyping his current player, but I believe he was serious.

[@btlgaming3376]

True but he’s said the same about Scholes in the past

[@telmolicious]

Make it into the starting 11 or on the bench?

[@richyrich7719]

I hope he is the plans for ballon dor next year the guy is phenomenal how he hasn't won it is beyond me if he was in the Spanish league he would have won it already ballon dor this is the premier league recognise this man 💯👌🏿

[@GuntherSDoumson2178]

True, since Messi and CR7 left he is the best player from the best club in the best league! Foot in multiple titles, massive important goals in CL...

[@christopheraustrie]

Coz he only won the champions league once so there's no way he could have won the ballon d or

[@liampowell5014]

@@christopheraustrie Exactly, people saying Ballon d'or but there is no year where he should have won it.

[@benedictadeya8370]

balon dor next year for playing epl since GW 20? LOL!. what do you mean "Won it already"? which season did KDB look like winning Balon DOR?

[@christopheraustrie]

@@liampowell5014 modric had been a better player than him for the last 5 years too

[@wammerz2k10]

Lampard was a Ronaldinho away from winning the Ballon D’or in an era with midfielders like Gerrard, Scholes, Xavi, Iniesta, Kaka, the list goes on. KDB is unbelievable, but people forget how good Lampard was

[@vikasmishra4167]

No they don't. Its just that KDB is better at football.

[@james4ddy]

Unfortunately English fans hate on lampard I think it stems from his time at west ham where his dad was also a player n his uncle was manager

[@edengalvan4297]

KDB is the difference from City dominating the league to “being right up there” KDB is the best in world imo

[@granth1238]

As much as I love Lampard, KDB I have to give it to, he does things that no other midfielder can do. The only thing that may hold back his legacy would be his struggle to impact finals/injuries in finals. Two UCL finals now where he's had to come off, few FA Cups where he's been oblivious. But in the league, across a season, he's undoubtable been the difference maker.

[@danshaw3527]

He got two assists last fa cup final what a you waffling about. He also was denied a stonewall pen.

[@kylemcgarry1723]

Also won that game VS villa with that wonderball to GUNDO to win the league on final day

[@elingrome5853]

Gerrard for me any day, but hey ho

[@granth1238]

@@Vespatim19 maybe not a "stain" but definitely a consideration. If your team has won multiple trophies where you haven't been needed or playing, it certainly doesn't help your case for importance in that team. Drogba was never prolific in terms of numbers, but his name is always mentioned because of his ability to step up in big games. It's not the be all and end all (as I've said, KDB is number 1) but it's still to discuss.

[@Zedem0n]

@@granth1238 What about the ability to carry your team to the promised final itself then? That does not count? It reminds me of Hazard who single-handedly won Chelsea all of the knock-out phase games of the Europa League up until the final where he was injured. Chelsea won the title with him on the bench, but it was Hazard who brought them there to begin with. I agree with you that it's a shame, but it doesn't mean the impact isn't there. No KDB no final, no final no trophy.

[@bunnytan01]

Kdb literally also played with sterling and jesus🤣

[@wiz3010]

Stats don't lie, KDB has the best Assist rate in PL history at 0.42 per game, the next best is Fabregas at 0.32. If he played as many games as Giggs he would easily have insane stats

[@fivestarman5130]

Using stats to compare KDB to Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes is very misleading. Midfielders can't be judged on stats alone because plenty of midfielders aren't remotely similar to De Bruyne, so comparing them exclusively based off stats is kinda pointless Bernardo Silvas g/a stats in the Prem are god awful on the surface level for a player with over 200 PL appearances but we don't judge him based on stats hence why he's consistently considered one of the best PL midfielders of the last 5 years Players like Zidane, Xavi and Pirlo don't have mind blowing stats either but they're still considered some of the best to have ever played the game. Midfielders can have more attacking responsibility or more defensive responsibility, or sometimes a bit of both. This isn't comparing different strikers where they're very clearly judged based on their ability to put the ball in the back of the net. For midfielders, there are defensive midfielders who can either function as creators carriers or destroyers. There are also holding midfielder who specialise in passing rather than defending which would make them deep lying playmakers. Box-to-box midfielders have a mix of attacking and defensive duty. De Bruyne is more of an advanced playmaker right now where he's almost functioning as a second striker but there's other advanced playmakers who are given more responsibility with controlling the game from a deeper position such as Zidane or Iniesta

[@niranjanrajesh1058]

@@fivestarman5130 mate kdbs number 1 claim to fame is the football he plays. And scholes, gerrard, lampard didnt play football like him. Gerrard had kdbs attributes, but still was a level below in every single attribute. Which is insane considering how magnificent stevie g was. Kdbs stats are just the icing on top of the cake. Btw you can compare kevin and lamps on the basis of stats coz lampard literally played like a second striker for us a lot. Thats why you saw him in the box so often, he wasnt a speedster who played in the iniesta role but somehow always made his way to the centre of thebox

[@metallicaandjustice1]

@@fivestarman5130Gerrard had a better assist per game ratio than lampard. Gerrard got injured a lot.

[@aidanmitchell4363]

We looked a shambles and not a threat until Kev came on and changed everything

[@freddiehardicre8752]

A shambles and not a threat seriously what game where you watching, we dominated the game and missed loads of chances before Kevin came on.

[@tobylerone4285]

@@freddiehardicre8752missing chances is why you weren’t a threat. Trust me, I know, my team does it all the time

[@BiggestBirdonMars]

​@@tobylerone4285how does missing chances not make you a threat The threat is the creation of chances

[@aidanmitchell4363]

@@freddiehardicre8752 I was exaggerating. we just couldn’t finish

[@ameenaftab2803]

1) The argument earlier which now rivals have conveniently forgotten is that he doesn't have UCL. (like Walker said after winning the UCL, no one can question him now). 2) Paper's published him as a Chelsea reject and England laughed when city spent that amount on him. English people consider Bundesliga as farmer league, so his stats weren't given the due respect. Same trolling happened with Haaland last season. Also, KDB earned his starting stop, he wasn't from the get go. 3) He didn't go to RM(Barca) to win a UCL, which could have been an easy way out and stuck with city when the whole world gave him stick for not winning a UCL. 4) If u bring stats, bring the number of matches too. Folks don't have perspective how big the margin is between him and other PL midfield legends(on number of matches) If u say other started early, compare it by minutes played. Also, people's argument on Messi vs Ronaldo is how much gifted Messi is, so why doesn't this apply to KDB. He is technically more gifted than other midfielders and his IQ is just on other lv. 5) He played through a hamstring injury last season ( i don't know if people know that, he was injured the whole time and kept playing to keep the treble hope alive). Imagine scoring against the best keeper at Bernabeu with an injured leg. 6) No one passes like KDB(don't throw in casually Lampard can pass over the defense too, no one can pass like KDB, it's almost out of the world.) 7) He is a treble winner. 8) He made me fall in love with football when i thought it was the most boring sport ever made(and i play chess).

[@imharbinger]

If you say, Beckham was the best crosser of all time, Gerrard was the best long shooter of all time, Scholes was the best passer of all time in the EPL, then De Bruyne is Beckham-1, Gerrard-1, Scholes-1 combined.

[@iniesta882]

KDB over all passs assiset goal every ting⚽️👈

[@abdulkoddus608]

Every goal was amazing, hard to pick the best one

[@UnapologeticRed]

First half was more exciting because Newcastle were able to play, every goal were absurd though. What a game

[@1MHouse.]

De Bruyne 244 games 103 assists Lampard 609 games 102 assists

[@19keverick91]

What about goals?

[@pauliyonas3576]

​@@19keverick9140% of his goals are penalty's plus lampard is not even a proper Medfielder.

[@TopTenofeverything1]

You cant just ignore goal 😂😂😂

[@19keverick91]

@pauliyonas3576 it's less, 30% within the premier league but you still need to score them , they are equally as important. Lampards whole career was in the prem whereas kdb moved around abs returned at the beginning of his peak

[@kingrobert7246]

lampard has less assists because he scored the goals himself, lol

[@caliamr4123]

If kdb played for Barca he would have 20 ballon dors

[@fivestarman5130]

If Gerrard played for Real Madrid or AC Milan instead of Liverpool he'd probably go down as one of the best players of all time. What's your point?

[@J1rkaa16]

He is the best midfielder by faaar.. You can even see how the players how the managers and legends of other clubs like Henry or Gerrard speak about him and it’s absolutely insane

[@niranjanrajesh1058]

what easily should influence anyones mind is by the pure hype and praise that he gets. Now sure, if gerrard was injured and came back, the kop would be singing his name. Same goes lamps, as a chelsea fan. But rival fans, and by rivals, i mean bitter rivals, are giddy at the thought of kdb coming back. Liverpool fans especially, which is astounding considering his return will weaken liverpools title chances. Tbh, as a young adult, the only other players i have seen get such hype are messi, ronaldo, ronaldinho and zidane. Man is coming back from a common 5 month injury and people are crowning him like he is God. Thats how you know he is the GOAT,

[@vism2812]

@@niranjanrajesh1058dawg every pl great has rivals fans, coaches and players gassing them. thats all fans bring up in gerrard-lampard debates. there are actual football reasons that can explain why kdb is the best.

[@MrIanji]

KDB is simply phenomenal, I thought he may take a while to get fit, it seems not, but we will see. I love him as a fellow ginger and as footie fan, cant stand him as a fan of a Smaller (well Small to be fair) Club

[@moulin1995]

love seeing Kevin getting his flowers that man is an Alien

[@alecjohnson5269]

KDB ON ANOTHER PLANET

[@ken-ls2vc]

I think kdb starts are worse for not having his whole career...if he started in the epl like lampard all his goals and assists in germany and belgium he would be way ahead of lampard and gerrad

[@guilhermevieira6010]

He flopped at chelsea

[@Prime1Wunna]

@@guilhermevieira6010he barely played… mourihno didn’t give him an opportunity. Came back and made Chelsea regret it

[@vikasmishra4167]

@@guilhermevieira6010 No he didn't you prick. He played a total of like 100 PL minutes at Chelsea

[@rogerovesen4088]

Saying that Cesc Fàbregas is the all time premier league assister is crazy. Giggs is miles ahead

[@timmy5876]

goals and assists aren’t everything for a midfielder, he is the best attacking midfielder in prem history in my opinion, only lampard is comparable numbers wise really but players like scholes and gerrard weren’t number 10’s. U can’t remember seeing de bruyne tackle someone like i can’t imagine it in my head, he does it ofcourse occasionally but the whole team works to get the ball back then de bruyne is the one that does something with it. I’d also argue that in the team he plays in he has all the platform to do whatever he wants, he can walk about wherever and cus they never lose the ball he can spend an hour of a game trying to make that pass or have a shot, gerrard played in poor teams a lot of the time so he wouldn’t have that much time to go and win the game, he also couldn’t trust his teammates to keep the ball every game

[@suhaibrashid6083]

Kdb is what Gerrard never was 😂 He's best ability wise than all you mention

[@dangraham3361]

Imagine making the argument that Lampard was advantaged by having class players around him 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Have you not seen City's squad?

[@mujeebahmed7940]

Hes definitely right up their with the very best already

[@bb2757]

It’s honestly sad to see how little yaya toure gets brought up in these conversations. Guy was a monster

[@liampowell5014]

Because that was one season.

[@imharbinger]

'Lampard didn't hit the ground running', is a positive for Lampard?

[@dangraham3361]

Craig asking "was Lampard ever the best midfielder in the world" was embarrassing. Closet City fan

[@gersonjr2560]

At this point it doesn't even matter though he has a sit at the table with them his now fighting to be amongst the all time greats

[@denzelngirazi7119]

KDB is just too good

[@prajwalp1483]

finally i've seen a kick off debate reminiscent of the old kick off

[@tinsaederesse9173]

He's in the greatest midfielder of all time category with the Zidanes, Iniesta, Modric, Pirlo, no more waiting till he is retired

[@philip244]

Ummm no he’s nowhere near those ballers. Cross merchant

[@Bsnaoa]

@@philip244 cross merchant?💀 are you actually dumb? Did you not see what he did in last game? He scores from anywhere, assists from anywhere, you’re not older than 12 obviously with such a dumb comment

[@iw5575]

You my friend have what we like to call 0 ball knowledge ​@@philip244

[@yousuck8074]

I will never understand how Modric makes it to these types of conversations

[@tinsaederesse9173]

​​​@@philip244de bruyne has unreal creativity, vision, IQ, goals, assists, trophies. He has finally entered the legendary stage. The years left will cement it even more

[@samukelisiwemudau3553]

Shout out to Newcastle y'all gave us a difficult time throughout the match if we didn't have Kevin for that game on Sunday wow we would have lost

[@Ladams9876]

The way you talk about Longstaff is exactly what McTominay does for us. Scores the odd goal here and there but other than that the guy is completely anonymous for most of the game

[@stephenblakely4463]

I cant believe iv just now discovered this channel. Been a City fan since ‘13 and just now comes across my feed. Well betr late than never. Great channel guys. Love it.

[@user-bk3wh9np2c]

Shock everyone on the table who has no horse in the midfield race says he’s the best premier league midfielder of all time but the others disagree. Says it all really

[@alistairnaidoo9380]

Cant compare Lampard and KdB. Lampard wouldnt have gotten those numbers in the current era of the EPL. Todays game is much more competitive with many more world class players being attracted to and playing in the league.

[@Leo31291]

That makes no sense when Lampard and Chelsea were reaching the late stages of the CL and therefore playing against the best cms and teams in the world 🥴

[@alistairnaidoo9380]

@@Leo31291 fair point then let me rephrase, the appeal to become a pro footballer has risen with more and more players emerging at a rapid rate; this fact combined with the trend of, the game becoming more tactical and therefore technical means that it is harder for generational talents to rack up the numbers that outstanding players did earlier on in the premier league.

[@stephendavies7355]

I agree. I think the game is way more competitive now. Look at the points Chelsea won the league on (other than 2005) and compare it to City's in recent years

[@ItsABoroThing1989]

As a Middlesbrough fan I can say Newcastle are a top top side I genuinely enjoy watching you play and I actually hope you do well each season as you’ve spent money well and not over done it and signed the likes is Isak who in my opinion is going to be unbelievable and he needs to start as often as possible he’s got everything BUT KDB is just so so far ahead of all Midfielders he’s just so so good at football overall we are lucky we got to see him flourish in the premiership as football fans But you’ve made a great point nobody has truly stepped it up while they have been without Haaland and KDB and not having there best players or a fully fit team this just tells me they have got the league wrapped up! As for Bob we should all know Pep finds some absolute ballers out of nowhere even when it comes to signings he signs players for 35 to 60 million that anyone else is paying 150 million or he turns them into that level of player in a season for 2! KDB is number one for me I know people will say Lampard has scored more goals etc Gerrard has done this and that but in reality I think KDB is overall the best of the 3 but Lampard and Gerrard and still levels above the rest also! KDB is the man simple!

[@user-wy3vb4vl8c]

De bruyne deserved the ballon dor

[@chidiagborenow9477]

I would rank KDB in the top 5 midfielders in PL History as 2nd, his work ethic is complete and phenomenal af.

[@thatguyfromlondon3308]

He’s the best player in the best prem team we’ve ever seen that’s all that needs to be said

[@Skellster84]

Off the ball Gerrard was a lot more physical, and would crunch in to tackles cleanly which I’ve never seen de bruyne do, maybe he doesn’t have to do though. Passing and goal scoring very similar to Gerrard .If it was a big final I’d want Gerrard over de bruyne though, I think he’d just hurt de Bruyne if he had to, like the 2 champions league finals he’s hobbled off. But de bruyne is definitely right up there top 3 at least.

[@BdubbsVt]

Newcastle were gased when kdb came on and Kev knew exactly what to do. His football iq is top tier and that's his true super power over most.

[@edtcreative]

GOAT or not, when all is said and done, I want KDB to remove Slippy G from this Lamps and Scholes debate. It should only be KDB, Scholes and Lamps. The likes of Gerrard and Vieira are far behind in the distance (Still top 5 tho)

[@therealhb1763]

Then they arent far behinde

[@edtcreative]

​​​@@therealhb1763 Far behind in terms of they shouldn't be put in any conversation for "potential top 3" and their place in top 5 can be debated with when it comes to the likes of Keane, Yaya, Bernardo, David Silva, Cesc, Xabi etc. The KDB, Scholes and Lamps are cemented and there's no argument imo.

[@karlredhead9814]

TG is right tho he doesn't rely on athleticism and as a result this will only extend his playing career

[@beetlebug778]

Not a Chelsea fan but Lampard was largely credited by his peers for changing the culture at Chelsea, white jumper stone island man knows what he’s talking about. Green jumpered stone island man way way out of his depth in this show which is really saying something as the bar is pretty low on the kick off

[@StopLookingAtMyAcc]

I remember how good Lampard was because even as a OAP he put a shift in for City before going to New York City even scoring against Chelsea. Consummate professional.

[@stevenosullivan187]

Stevie g is the ultimate midfield goat . IYKYK

[@alecjohnson5269]

SLIPPED ON HIS ARSE WHERES HIS LEAGUE TITLES OR TREBLES ?????????

[@ChronicTheHempHog-mf3nh]

@@alecjohnson5269bro I love de Bruyne but this is a bit hypocritical if you’re a kdb fan

[@stevenosullivan187]

@@alecjohnson5269 those sound like team achievements not Individual ones .most toty appearances . Only player to score in every club final possible. Played with average players won the lit bar a title. Got a treble in 2001

[@philip244]

@@alecjohnson5269where’s kdb not bottling a CL final

[@joshuaeden3555]

373 career goals and assist for KDB and over 439 career goals and assist for frank

[@_lemez]

as a city fan, I enjoyed that debate

[@winstonschodts2505]

KDB is def the best prem player of all time!!!! thats a fact

[@larrylalzbeats9931]

Prime David Silva. This is why we have a statue of him at the stadium. Incase you forget

[@alex43778]

You guys are forgetting a few things. KDB was injured for most of the 18/19 season. He then went to play 2 seasons in a team without a striker and still has crazy assist numbers!

[@TheJesterJW]

KDB individual brilliance shines despite Cities anti individuality brand of football, imagine him at a club that would allow his individuality to flourish like a Real Madrid

[@Edyoucation-fe1qq]

He can score every goal and hit every pass these other candidates can with his weak foot btw. Also. Lots of Gerrard fan boys suggesting that KDB can’t defend - either choosing to forget or actually forgetting when he was played in a midfield two and defended well. Same as D.Silva. He IS complete.

[@daniyalwaliaziz6500]

Thought he was talking about Mactominey for the first 4 minutes 😂😂

[@mailys012]

Legendary De Bruyne.

[@theshadowrealm1311]

He's up there, top 3 maybe, if you put Stevie G in that city squad it wouldn't even be a debate

[@revoksfn7354]

Gerrard can't pass like de bruyne

[@philip244]

@@revoksfn7354deluded. All de bruyne does is cross

[@iw5575]

​@@philip244even Gerrard would agree Kevin is miles ahead

[@revoksfn7354]

@@philip244 what are you on about hahaha

[@zeejoo]

St. James' park can't be the best ground in the league when city literally lost 0 games at home in 2023. Valverde even said the hardest ground to play at is the Etihad

[@psychedelicbadger4092]

Why is this guy so calm straight after his team surrendered a 2-1 lead at home. Is this the same person who was apoplectic when his team were absolutely savaged at Anfield?

[@The1daniel_]

They don’t know ball, the way we underrate Lampard these days man

[@kevanmachan9893]

Hi guys. First ever post 😊. Always enjoyed your channel. You are PROPER.

[@gingerbob14]

It’s between him and Gerrard. Gerrard was by a mile more complete but KDB just is another level in certain aspects. As an all round play and midfielder, it’s Gerrard for me but as a technical player, it’s KDB.

[@guilhermevieira6010]

Scholes is clear of both

[@dogsbollocksgenius9480]

Gerrard is nowhere near De Bruyne

[@aesopsock7447]

Gerrard slander is horrific

[@stuartsimister5042]

Kdb can do things with a ball frank could only dream about.

[@manlikebkk]

For the fact that you guys mentioned YAYA you’re getting my sub🤝🏾KDB is the goat🤝🏾

[@chrisbailey4719]

Craig “Technique Grace…” yes KDB has grace

[@michaelogbebor4582]

brain essentially described mctominay whilst describing longstaff

[@doccy1594]

Liverpool destroyed Newcastle last week with the highest xg ever recorded, and nobody on the panel was impressed... city beat Newcastle with a last-minute goal it's a huge statement

[@therealhb1763]

Yeah they have talked about it plus everything isnt about u guys

[@samkkx]

Because this is looking like the beginning of city's winning run. You as a Liverpool fan should know about this more than most.

[@freddiehardicre8752]

You destroyed Newcastle at home,city beat them at St james park 26 shots and 73% percession so what.

[@louislasvegas7077]

@@freddiehardicre8752Liverpool also beat Newcastle at St James , with Newcastle full side and not the injury hit side City played , also LFC had a player sent off in the 1st half and was a goal down , so what.

[@TomBall28]

Surprised I haven’t seen a vid on the Strickland mental health situation, and just a prediction for the ddp vs Strickland fight, lots after drama to talk about

[@GironaCityBoy]

Think it’s time to consider that Rodri may be more influential than DeBryne😮

[@Bizarro69]

is it the mics they're using? why are their inhales so loud?

[@paulmccarney4136]

Completely legitimate to think lampard has been a more significant player than de bruyne. That’s from a city fan. Lampard was brilliant. Personally think de bruyne will edge him when he finishes

[@takudzwaful]

Excellent debate

[@k17nopasi]

Top 6 PL CM for me. Also the Tottenham fan said Lamps had other characters at Chelsea. So it’s not like KDB walked into a league winning Man City team with Kompany, Toure, Silva, and Aguero?

[@Shakster101HD]

Almost like Mctominay does the exact same thing as longstaff but yet still gets praise

[@eyes8731]

He's definitely top 3 in the EPL, but historically looking at the English top flight, he's top 10 for sure and can only go higher.

[@EmpireFanatic]

Oskar Bob is Norwegian. Hes been good in training and for the national team for a good while. Huge potential. Just hasnt really had many chances in the City team yet.

[@93lornamae]

Pep choosing him to come on and change a game says alot.

[@alistairwalker7947]

ya ya toure only played two seasons under pep. Prior to city he was successful at Barcelona (2 x la liga, 1 x champs league, 1 x world club championship)

[@kylet4140]

I notice when Newcastle fans decide it’s that time to pile on Longstaff his form does drop because he’s their scapegoat so no doubt his head is going to drop. Bruno was the holding midfielder not him and not to mention the defence also just stood off KDB for the goal, they gave him the opportunity to get it onto his right to hit it. The way you Newcastle lot criticise the lad is ridiculous and it’s so fickle how much you lot flip flop on him that Southampton game in the cup, the AC Milan game at the San Siro, likely the PSG game at home too so many Newcastle fans were so far up his arse and now they want him gone. I’m not surprised his form drops off

[@simonjames772]

GREAT DEBATE, WELL DONE

[@kitsomochankana3493]

Scholes, kdb, gerrard and lampard are all exceptional midfielders who did it all and even all excelled in deeper roles in midfield. If we were to look into the specifics of attributes and accolades, then each player would outrank the other. It's not crazy for someone to say lampard was the greatest or gerrard was because they've done it all right?? Basically, there's no way to separate these greats from an overall perspective in my opinion, the gap between them is too small.

[@philc1773]

You can separate on stats. If you do that De Bruyne wins by a street.

[@lezdrake3629]

Le Tissier, Gascoigne, Beardsley etc there are so many if you go back to the beginning of the Prem you guys are young and dont remember some of the old skool greats

[@vikashakda9730]

Scholes played golf than 😂

[@ppensen]

can you provide all the guests links and socials in the descriptions

[@Mide-_-Snakebite]

These were the same people that were saying Man City had lost it. See how they pretend they weren’t talking reckless just a few game weeks ago.

[@TechNology-hr7gt]

I would describe it like this. For me KDB is the best player in that city squad and in the league. I know people are gonna say well how is that, cause Rodri is maybe the most important player in that squad if you drop him it's over. It's not that I disagree with it, it's just that it doesn't prove that he is better than KDB. It's like saliva being out for arsenal last year or van dijk for lfc in 20/21. They weren't the best players in their respective team but it's just that their roles are so important that it takes a lot to replace those players, but it's not impossible. With KDB it's just another story. The man is a genius, and right now there is no player that does what he does he is like a magician. Imagine this scenario (and I have been in this) Liverpool (the team I support) have to play city for the league. I swear to god if KDB doesn't play, even tough it's Man City, I am less scared. Without kdb they seem to struggle more to score and it's like with a good defence you can keep them under control. But whenever KDB steps on the pitch and he plays Liverpool I am terrified. Cause I just know that if he gets the space he needs, he will shoot and not miss. If there is a cross or a pass that needs to be played and he has the ball he will perfectly execute it, he is a big nightmare to play against and if you see him running with the ball towards your goal you'll always be worried.