Land Cruiser 200 Series GXL vs Nissan Patrol Ti-L: towing comparison review

The Toyota LandCruiser and Nissan Patrol have been long-time rivals in the war for Aussie hearts and cash - well, that was until a few years ago when the Patrol went petrol only and it has since lost a chunk of ground to the Cruiser, in terms of sales and off-road-touring credibility.
But, despite that, these are two legendary 4WD wagons with mighty reputations as off-road tourers and towing vehicles of note and they both have hefty price-tags to match.
In a modern market in which big load-lugging monsters such as the Ram 2500 threaten to reign supreme, are the 200 Series and Patrol still worth consideration as work and recreational towing machines? And which of the two is best for towing in terms of comfort, ride and handling and fuel use?
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[@bradrein08]

You reckon land cruiser wins? Hmm. Basic spec for the same price as top of the line patrol. You didn’t once mention value for money or correct your miss guidance about fuel consumption in the end when there was next to no difference at all. Review came across very biased to me to be honest.

[@rks-bh6tb]

I think that the spec they get

[@rickstard73]

He definitely went is as a land cruiser man, biased from the start :-)

[@jaykazama9132]

It's a tow test. Not a detailed vehicle comparison.

[@thebeerhunter817]

The patrol uses a lot of fuel but uses the same amount as the other car 😂

[@IBOO57]

For starters the specs compared arent even equal, the GXL should be tested against a Ti which can be had for around 64k on road. Secondly basing a win on preconceived reliability advantages is odd given the well documented dusting issues with 200's and people having to drop in a set of 12k injectors to avoid grenading an engine which sets you back closer to 30k. The economy was basically equal even though you rabbited on about how thirsty it will be before seeing the results. You can drive around 300k kilometers in a Ti before its starts to cost you the same amount as the GXL. Seems like you had already made your mind up before even turning a key. (Or pushing a start button)

[@AJ_Off_Road]

Even that is a stretch, the even cheaper Ti Patrol more closely resembles the even more expensive VX, and now actually exceeds even that with all the extra safety features the new series now has.

[@tcmx712]

It's funny what most people don't realise is the difference in cost of fuel is negated by the extra cost of the loan repayments for the 200 so on a weekly basis there is no extra cost for running a y62

[@naysunhuang]

The specs compared aren't but the price is similar. In that sense it's sort've like, for 96k you can get a base model cruiser or a top spec patrol.

[@carsguide]

Hi Nigel, End result was very close, which is why I said the Cruiser "pips" the Patrol. I'm talking about "reliability" in terms of being a tad more reliable as a towing vehicle, with regards to comfort, ride and handling etc on that day, on that test. To quote a primary school teacher of mine: "Crafty, you should have used your words better". Also, read my recent Patrol review which was again very positive about the Patrol. Thanks for taking the time to watch the vid and comment. - Crafty

[@IBOO57]

@@carsguide ok and thanks for the reply. I feel the price difference and different spec should have been clarified more in the test as in the real world of using your own money, a price difference that large on 2 vehicles that are overall very similar would see the cheaper one win on the massive financial advantage alone.

[@georgedaniels3683]

The land cruiser relies on its old reputation. Very little difference in fuel economy now. Patrol has better technology and much better specced as it compares to the Sahara. You pick the winner on “reliability” based on 248 km runs, laden and unladen! What tests did you use to reach your reliability conclusion. Without any long term tests, let alone objective tests, your opinion on the winner, based on “reliability” shows your bias or ignorance in favour of the Toyota.

[@cymans1164]

Well said mate

[@rofhiwathomasnetshandama1597]

good thinkings

[@johnciarla5646]

I’m surprised he reckons the cruisers reliable. He obviously hasn’t checked the air box of any modern Toyota diesel with over 150,000km. Every cruiser iv checked that’s 3-4 years old has been dusted. Toyota’s reliability is gone. And that’s a 4wd that’s been out for 14 YEARS.

[@strider88888]

For such a big investment I’d be waiting for LC300 - Not worth buying into DPF hassles of post 2015 LC200s

[@tcmx712]

@1 Nando don't forget about the fuel tank sensor that is common to go. Where my wife works they have a fleet of brand new 200s that will randomly shut off because the sensor believes it's out of fuel even when it's full. Which is especially scary since she travels all around the west kimberley one of the most isolated places in aus

[@bitzel]

This is the worst review I have ever watched

[@carsguide]

Geez, mate, you haven't seen my other vids then! One bloke said I have the charisma of a potato! Thanks for watching and commenting. - Crafty

[@bitzel]

CarsGuide all good mate,I’d love to know what Toyota is paying you though.😜

[@huh2634]

@@carsguide you're biased as all hell

[@j.t.s8618]

@@huh2634- shut your moaning, you're like a crabby old woman 😆

[@bhyperp]

Reliability over refinement? What reliability issues came up in the test.

[@aussiefabricator3381]

Haven't seen any v8 patrols with reliability issues. And far less likely to be stopped in its tracks by a bad batch of fuel..

[@jean-louishamid5285]

Audi does them. But of course, Audi can do anything. That wonderful 4.2 V8 and with its "unbreakable" chain that is mounted on the back of the engine....and actually breaks.

[@aussiefabricator3381]

@@jean-louishamid5285 Nissan Patrol V8 Not petrol V8 in general 😉

[@carsguide]

It's a great engine and the Patrol is a damn good 4WD wagon. I'm talking about "reliability" in terms of being a tad more reliable as a towing vehicle, with regards to comfort, ride and handling etc on that day, on that test. To quote a primary school teacher of mine: "Marvin, you should have used your words better". Also, watch my recent Patrol Ti review which was again very positive about the Patrol. Thanks for taking the time to watch the vid and comment. - Crafty

[@jean-louishamid5285]

@@aussiefabricator3381 Oh sorry. Well, this Vk56 isn't the most reliable V8 there is but it's still good according to motorreviewer. Some chain trouble may occur. Maybe it has been solved since then.

[@curtispeterson1348]

ahahahahahaha check facts mate

[@pezzatrol]

So are you now going to take back all the comments re "visiting a lot more servo's, more aware of your fueling places, etc etc" that you were rabbiting on about while driving the Y62 ? barely any difference difference while towing, and the only reason you were getting 14.3/100 not towing was because you were obviously letting your "inner hoon" get the better of you, as you stated earlier. Most current Series 5 Y62 owners are reporting 10-11/100 hwy not towing. You mention the cloth seats and manual seat controls of the 200 but no mention of the leather seats and electric "memorizing" controls of the Y62, you state that in your view the 200 is still the "winner" due to "reliability" (I'm assuming that's all you had left to go with after the fuel figures didn't work for you), so you're saying the Y62 is unreliable ? If so. please inform us how ? So much for balanced, unbiased reviews from a motoring magazine, advertising $$ are still decision makers I see.

[@xaviermac7660]

Exactly right, this guy just seemed like a 200 series fan to me.

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

Patrol, on objective criteria - not personal, uninformed opinion - is superior. You'll have to travel the best part of half a million kms to reach cost parity between the money you save on a marginally thirstier Patrol versus the fuel you save on a dearer LandCruiser Sahara. Also, there's no DPF on a Patrol, so reliability is unquestionably in favour of the Nissan. A 138-litre fuel tank capacity in LC smashes Patrol for long-distance touring, but rain sensing wipers, driver’s (leather) seat memory, sunroof, rear seat DVD screens and cool box are all on the cheaper Patrol Ti-L; amiss on LC. "Buying into the reputation" should be a concern for consumers looking for objective, critical analysis on which one to buy with their own actual money. It just depends on what you're actually buying it for. Driving around, through and across Australia? LandCruiser. Everything else? Patrol.

[@pezzatrol]

@@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars patrol has 140lt fuel capacity, so there goes that argument too !

[@jasonmcfarlane8436]

TalkCars.com.au Towing the patrol uses 200ml per 100km more fuel than the cruiser but the tank is 2l bigger!! How is the patrol being smashed?

[@carsguide]

@@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars You make some salient points. And, yes, I like the Patrol - read my recent positive review on it. Thanks for watching and commenting. - Crafty

[@Cammo-vp1gl]

I bought my GXL 200 series in 2010 and had to wait for it to come from Japan, I collected her with 4km on the odo. I have196K on the clock and it’s been serviced by Toyota by the book. I tow a Whittley SL26 which is about 3.2mtrs high, 24 feet long and frighteningly heavy when fully loaded. The Cruiser has never missed a beat and I’d say it’s resale value would be around $50k. I paid $82,500 on the road. Yes it drinks when pulling up hills but she makes 650Nm and that’s what makes this such a good tow vehicle, it does everything easily, reducing driver fatigue. I might add if you can afford the $90k for the car and similar money, if not considerably more for the toy you are towing, then the fuel bill really is only a small consideration in the big scheme. I tow at 95kmh in 5th and that’s a happy medium, I can tow at 110 but what’s the hurry. Honestly, bitching over a few k/L here and there, get over it. I’d like to know how many keyboard warriors commenting on this subject actually own either of these cars and pull heavy loads regularly! In perspective, my boats returns 1.2 km per liter and that’s economical.

[@Kris-Lewis]

That review was sponsored by Toyota Australia.

[@drealist7941]

Yep reckons the Toyota handles better! Iv driven both and bought the y62 handle very well 200 a truck!

[@airforceone6523]

D Realist thats one expensive nissan

[@huh2634]

@@drealist7941 yep, y62 has the best suspension I've ever felt in any vehicle. Super planted and no body roll.

[@RSNGAMING2911]

LOL u just jealous of land cruiser patrol fan

[@rks-bh6tb]

@@RSNGAMING2911 no he is not land cruiser fan boy

[@maxieaton]

What a shocking review I’m a lc200 owner and I’m trading for a y62 simply because there a far better car. Cruisers are overrated I’ve had 3 never again though

[@aussieoffroadnut1109]

I owned a 200 Series from new for 4 years and have vowed never to buy another Toyota product again due to the never ending reliability issues. Its sad to see the constant biased reviews from people who have zero real world knowledge or experience.

[@swada02]

You probably thrashed your Landcruiser... Owned Toyota all my life and never had a single reliability issue.

[@drealist7941]

Swayda my 67 year old dad has a 12 month old hilux, all they’ve had is problems they are taking Toyota to court and trust me he does not thrash it!

[@swada02]

@@drealist7941 Hmm maybe the newer models are not as reliable as the models I've owned and currently own. Had a 1998 Rav4, 2003 Rav4 Cruiser, 2007 Rav4 Cruiser and 2008 Kluger Grande and not a single issue. Had a couple of recalls for minor replacement of parts but I've never had a single bad experience with my vehicles.

[@swada02]

@@drealist7941 I currently have my 2003 Rav4 and 2008 Kluger and every single thing works with no issue. Serviced regularly too.

[@drealist7941]

Swayda I test drove the 200 and a prado. Toyota are that up themselves they wouldn’t budge on price. Thought the patrol was a bit ugly then Nissan let me take 1 home for a few days, the kids love it the wife loves it and it was only $69750 with towbar and the dealer put the headrest TVs in it! And five year warranty! That was just before my dad had trouble with his hilux it’s been back 6 times on a truck

[@mrbundyk]

That would have to be one of the worst, most biased reviews I have ever seen CarsGuide. Full of preconceived opinions and very little facts to back them up. The Cruiser wins due to reliability? Seriously? Research shows that the 200 series isn't as reliable as people think it is. Toyota is living off a reputation that isn't fitting for the 200. The reviewer crapped on about how much fuel the Patrol would use towing, to the point of getting carried away about fuel stop planning. The figures then revealed that the effective range is basically the same. The Patrol used 0.2 l/100 more, but has a 2 litre bigger tank, so they would be near as makes no difference the same. As far as everything else goes, well thats how he sees it and thats fine. Might pay to get someone else to redo the review so you can get some credibility back though.

[@carsguide]

Yep, the fuel figures are near identical. End result was very close, which is why I said the Cruiser "pips" the Patrol. Reliability in terms of being a tad more reliable as a towing vehicle, with regards to comfort, ride and handling etc on that day, on that test. Read the yarn for more info. Also, read my recent Patrol review which was again very positive about the Patrol. I like it a lot and was frankly surprised with the very close result on the day - I was pretty sure the Patrol would be the better of the two. Thanks for taking the time to watch the vid and commenting. - Crafty

[@huh2634]

@@carsguide lol copy and pasted comment because you're too lazy to make more excuses

[@sydneyraj]

Past performance is not a reliable measure of future performance. As designs change, issues like dusting, injectors, dpf issues add on to Toyota diesel vehicles. Smart buyers can easily see through this.

[@pablom7060]

Is there a valid reason why you didn't use the TI model in your comparison test, which is $20K cheaper? It would seem obvious the Toyota advertising $$$ swayed the results.

[@naysunhuang]

Probably to show that you can get a top spec patrol for the same price as a base model cruiser. Like a 'this is what you can get for 96k' sort of comparison.

[@carsguide]

For the exact reason so eloquently cited by naysunhuang below: base-spec Cruiser is similar price to top-spec Patrol - in fact, the Patrol is $2000 cheaper than the LC 200, as mentioned in my yarn. The Patrol is a bloody good 4WD wagon - just read my recent review of it for confirmation of that. Thanks for watching and commenting. - Crafty

[@curtispeterson1348]

there is a reason they cost more they are better

[@grahambridge3437]

Mountain trail RV towed a 2 tonne caravan up and downhill over 100kms at same speed. Results patrol 22.59litres per 100 and LandCruiser 22.69 litres per 100.

[@marcstrauch2061]

It always surprises me the comments that come from people who are already biased one way or the other. I am have 2017 VX LandCruiser. It is a great vehicle but I am aware of its short comings. My wife’s RAV4 has more modern technology but for me the land cruiser has so far been bullet proof.i look at it as a tractor which is great off road and for towing. Never had a problem. I k ow two people who bought the Patrols. They are cheaper and have much more modern technology but are two different vehicles. They have had no reliability issues but in real world driving when towing or in the sand use massive more fuel. Where I use 18 liters per 100 km they are closer to 30 lts per 100km. Also stability in towing is better for the land cruiser as the solid axle manages weight better but when not towing the Patrol seems to have a better ride. So different vehicles for different purposes. UN modified on an off-road track both perform very well. Land cruisers do have a a good record of still performing well after 500,000 km’s when well serviced and many years of use but most people only keep a vehicle for 5 to 7 years. Buy what fits your purpose...they are different vehicles.

[@curtispeterson1348]

ITS A NISSAN MATE

[@AceOfSpadesPRO01]

After 20minutes of driving a Nissan Titan in the states I figured out it’s actually pretty good on fuel How can you guys have these cars all day and still make silly claims about the patrol being thirsty 😂 Nissan Titan I was driving was getting 11L/100, I could definitely live with that

[@curtispeterson1348]

look up every mechanical review ever made it will say petrols are thirsty its a fact

[@dankydarron6081]

You drove for 20 minutes and made your judgment on that? And are saying they're making silly claims?? Im not a whole toyota vs patrol dude, but that's just hypocrisy.

[@AceOfSpadesPRO01]

Danky Darron yeh sorry I worded that pretty stupid but I had the Titan as a rental for about a week

[@curtispeterson1348]

@@dankydarron6081 Uneducated buddy

[@andrewthomas3985]

Reliability wins? Did the Patrol break down during the test? Fuel use and towing ability seemed very similar and the Patrol was much better specced compared to that Toyota interior from the 90s. If youre going to use reliability as the winning reason, why bother driving them both? Perhaps long term ownership of both would be a better test of you want to look at reliability.

[@johnallen5215]

The guy doing the video, is a LC200 fan. He made his mind up before starting the engine. To do test and recommendation like this, a person must be fully unbias to whatever they drive, and never make an assumption, such as the fuel consumption with the patrol.

[@krecha1]

John Allen Hi John - agreed - you could see it in his demeanor before he even got to the Patrol

[@baronvonaux8294]

It’s always the same from CarsGuide, Toyota wins every comparison they make even irrational ones like this. If you compare like variants you find a huge price difference in favour of the Nissan and that buys a bloody lot of fuel. Giving the win on reliability based off what? Is there documented issues with y62 patrol reliability?

[@carsguide]

You've made a sweeping generalisation there and it's incorrect because I can remember at least several ute tests in which the Toyota has not come out on top. The end result this time was very close, which is why I said the Cruiser "pips" the Patrol. Reliability in terms of being a tad more reliable as a towing vehicle, with regards to comfort, ride and handling etc on that day, on that test. To quote a primary school teacher of mine: "Crafty, you should have used your words better". Read the yarn for more info. Also, read my recent Patrol review which was again very positive about the Patrol. Thanks for taking the time to watch the vid and comment. - Crafty

[@joelcanning]

CarsGuide much like your sweeping generalisation regarding reliability. Hardly comparing apples with apples in this test.

[@curtispeterson1348]

theres a reason it wins every comparison ITS BETTER

[@peimahn]

The Nissan looks awesome

[@05hit]

"The big issue with the Patrol is fuel consumption" - except it isn't an issue when the Patrol only used 0.2L/100km more under tow. Also @ 1:40 someone failed to stow the left rear stabiliser correctly.

[@carsguide]

Yep, the test proved that the difference in fuel consumption between the Patrol and the Cruiser is not the big issue many people may believe it is. And, yep, well spotted. Thanks for watching and commenting, mate. We really do appreciate your feedback.- Crafty

[@Travellingcampers]

Both good vehicles. Love towing with our y62 patrol! Thanks for the video guys!

[@cameronmayer9317]

You have a monster 62 Murts! Definitely both good vehicles but that was the worst most contradicting and bias comparison video I’ve seen 🤣

[@patoldude]

Love your cut and paste reply to all the comments about the half arsed review even if you reply has zero to do with the initial comment.

[@andyg256]

What`s not reliable with the patrol?

[@jaidenkelly5121]

The big badge on the front.

[@johnallen5215]

@@jaidenkelly5121 there are quite a few videos people have loaded on to youtube, show a Y62 patrol, towing a LC200 or LC70. The Y61 killed patrol name, but the Y62 is definitely a good SUV.

[@joycewilson9722]

I love patrol. The best over cruiser

[@trimat2016]

Another piss poor review. Sad to see how far journalistic credibility has fallen in Australia. Clearly Toyota's advertising budget bought the result. Unlike the 200 series the Y62 has proven it's reliability over the last 10 years, whereas landcruiser user forums are full of 200 series horror stories. As for the interior the 200 GXL is absolutely stripped out poverty spec inside, it's 20 years behind a TI Patrol and yet still costs more. If your in the market for either one of these then make sure you drive both. The Y62 Patrol is just better in every way.

[@curtispeterson1348]

HAHAHAHAH WAHT a joke. Ur talking about a NISSAN MAtE there good but over all and especially reliability toyota I am sorry will always win

[@michaelilic3969]

You obviously haven't driven a y62 patrol to give that sort of comment🤪 all good if you love Toyota and have plenty of cash 👍

[@trimat2016]

@@curtispeterson1348 20 years ago you might have been right, but get your head out of the sand, it's simply no longer the case. The 200 series has lots of documented issues. Hilux/Prado are having all sorts of DPF problems, and Toyota's generally are lowest spec and highest price across nearly all vehicle ranges. They're trading on the past, but they'll only get away with it for so long before consumers wake up.

[@curtispeterson1348]

@@trimat2016 The world has moved on from petrol its terrible for all things compared to diesel. Twin turbo v8 diesel vs petrol stock v8. the proof is in the pudding. there is a reason they cost more they are better. IT DOSENT even have a turbo let alone 2. All i can say mate is read ur facts 👍🤷‍♂️

[@curtispeterson1348]

@@michaelilic3969 i have driven a y62 and been building cars for over 10 years, don't get me wrong patrols are an insane car. but there is a reason there are 8 land cruisers to every patrol. People pay more for a better car. The truth is very where you look. You obviously uneducated 😉

[@smartalec65]

How much did Toyota pay carsguide for the win? The result doesn't make sense.

[@drealist7941]

A lot!

[@barryboardman5770]

After having a 2019 gxl as a work car I can say. A. Yes. It tows well. Not the best but good. B. Fuel usage wasn’t too bad (16-18) towing a 3500kg horse float. C. The interior is atrocious. That amount of money for substandard inclusions. D. Dealing with Toyota service centres. Horrid. E. Would have to be the most vanilla over rated car I have driven. Patrol. A. Tows as well with the horse float. B. Fuel is a little higher 18-20. Around town is 14-16. But. Love that sound so yeah I bury it. C. Interior is a lot better. More comfortable. The faux wood is horrid and the media screen small. But. It is better than LC. D. Nissan have been good so far for services. Capped price. Loan car. E. It looks externally like a slug. But. Bury the right foot. And it makes the best noise. Next upgrade is a Varex exhaust.

[@curtispeterson1348]

SORRY TO BURST UR BUBBLE look at the facts mate

[@smartalec65]

@@curtispeterson1348 please elaborate, the Patrol is far cheaper, much better equipped and fuel economy really isn't much different, what facts are you referring to?

[@curtispeterson1348]

@@smartalec65 Alec mate i have been building cars for over 10 years and no the in and outs of a y62 and the 200. people pay more for 200s because they are better. there is a reason there are 8 land-cruisers to every patrol on the road and off road. your taking about comparing a stock V8 petrol engine to a TWIN TURBO V8 diesel engine. If you cant see which is better you are sadly uneducated mate 😉🤦‍♂️

[@tammieperrett17]

were weight distribution bars used? I couldn't see any?

[@AJ_Off_Road]

Hasn't even got the model name of the caravan correct, it's a "Silverline", not a "Journey Silverline". The "Journey" is a completely different model van. Not surprised he didn't make much sense on the rest of the review either.

[@carsguide]

Hi AJ, yep, got the caravan name wrong. My mistake. I stand by the towing result though. Thanks for watching and commenting. - Crafty

[@hraza123]

You’re comparing Top of line Patrol with a GXL Landcruiser. Completely inappropriate as you kept comparing the leather seats and plastics from interior.

[@gregmillen4712]

Missing some information here. What fuel was in the Patrol to start with? If it was UL98 it is a pretty good comparison, but if it was UL91 then the Patrol is much better on overall fuel economy. What was it? UL91? 95? 98?

[@HammerRocks]

Nice one. I'm surprised the fuel economy (or lack of it) difference wasn't more. Maybe it's an indication how good a design the Nissan petrol V8 is. And that Cruiser's snorkel is hideous. It looks like a cheap after-thought and was simply quickly bolted to the side.

[@brianholden2724]

Top spec Nissan around $2.5k cheaper, 0.2L/100 difference in fuel economy, that's about 1/3 of a cup of coffee over 100km, $96k for cheap plastics but I can pat myself on the back because I paid for a bs reputation and status. Then more paid for comment bs about comfort, "I wouldn't have noticed the difference if I hadn't driven them back to back" in other words there's really no difference at all, but I'm now going to bag the Nissan as much as I can. Talk about vague steering but nothing about overall handling did Nissan's apparently firmer ride make for more stable handling? As for steering tyre brand, type, size, profile, pressure, way too much there to flippantly blame the car I'd buy the Nissan.

[@ahss6275]

Excellent Thank you.

[@anbu999]

Both cars had no reliability issue in this test ... how could land cruiser win a point in that ?

[@curtispeterson1348]

because its better mate its a land curiser better all round

[@andrewvanstaden8922]

Here by us the Toyota service plan is optional, the Nissan's is included. And the Cruiser still costs 15% more.... how do you factor the percieved better reliabilityinto that?

[@luiss5648]

Both awesome vehicles.

[@muhammadasadalimahar2958]

Which is good in your eye in these both Iam from Pakistan and I request you that plz make vedio on drag race of land cruiser and Nissan patrol plzplzplz but on road not offroading plz give mevidence fare iam your pakistani subscriber! Thanks

[@wax333]

any chance you could add the lexus lx 570 or 450D into the mix ?

[@wax333]

@Mr. Cairo arent these different trim packages of the vehicles here? only difference would be the lexus is a prado?

[@peterwright322]

From my perspective, this test puts myth to diesel is always significantly better claims for towing fuel consumption, and highlights that we need have no fears about petrol engines replacing diesels as their development falls behind international emissions requirements.

[@peterj5751]

This is the second review in the last couple of months which has compared towing economy between these two cars and come up with a similar result. It seems impossible on physics alone that a petrol car and a diesel one of similar power and weight can achieve such similar economy over the same conditions. If nothing else, there is more energy per litre in diesel than petrol. But, if this is really true, the Patrol will be cheaper to own. Maintenance is in favour of the petrol Patrol without the complexity of diesel injection and dpfs and combined with the price difference, I can’t see the Landcruiser ever catching up. For raw reliability, the Patrols are bullet proof as are the Landcruisers. Points go to the Landcruiser for parts availability in the outback though. Having said all of this though, owners of Y62 Patrols will say that economy varies more with the Patrol than the Landcruiser. If in doubt, check out Dash Off-road KZbin channel. That is a big thing for remote travel where being able to predict whether you can make the next fuel stop is critical. As an ex owner of the GQ Patrol and a current owner of a Prado I can say that I am neutral on brand loyalty so for me this is a very interesting comparison.

[@Grant_Ferstat]

This seems less of a review and more an articulation of preconceptions....

[@virajchathuranga4155]

PATROL💓💓💓💓💓💓🇱🇰

[@curtispeterson1348]

pppffffff

[@cymans1164]

Nissan should put the 5.0 v8 cummins from the nissan titan into the patrol

[@pezzatrol]

Why ? It's already been proven the VK56 in the 62 is a better engine for towing and not towing.

[@ryandsousa3646]

Those engines had heaps of issues in the titan. I'd take the VK56 personally

[@mrbundyk]

Why? The 5.0 Cummins can't have been that good, Nissan have dropped from the Titan line up for 2020

[@conradsealy9603]

cymans 11 guess what engine is in this Nissan Patrol? Heres a hint. Its not the cummins. Click on this link kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y52Topp7msqpnqM

[@patoldude]

They have dumped that engine from the new Titan and it is petrol only now.

[@allanmacbadger5692]

So we have to watch out for the fuel consumption of the Nissan Patrol but then at the end of the review they are almost exactly the same? Why doesn't the Nissan Patrol have a diesel engine?

[@Froggy543]

Lost all respect for you Marcus Craft. You should look for a new job.

[@carsguide]

Come on, Jason c, that's a bit harsh. Although maybe I could make some cash as an erotic dancer - I hear the tips are good. Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to watch the vid and comment. - Crafty

[@chiragsomaraj5121]

If not towing is the land cruiser still more comfortable than the patrol?

[@maheryaser5909]

Its amazing how much that patrol is huge common its making the huge land cruiser look small near it.

[@Dara-lj8rk]

Patrol any day of the week

[@pen1910]

I believe the review was "conservative" with its trial ….. it nevertheless indicated very minor differences between the two … sure there are a couple of reasonably well discussed "hick ups" with the 200, but if you drive distances every day, there's a greater chance that you may get a speeding fine (comparing sales figures) … any chance of repeating the test with both a few more km's and a bit more of a terrain range therefore silencing the critics or adding conversation around the camp fire?

[@thebeerhunter817]

This guy needs to change careers that was pathetic

[@limpunsing224]

Very informative review

[@stuartbest3241]

Carsguide.....take this review down and stop embarrassing yourself.

[@CruiserBrah]

How areyou judging reliability? There is no revidence that the Patrol is any less reliable than the Cruiser.

[@kaykhanrahimi5883]

there is a fact if you buy one 2020 toyota LC then it would last till 2050 thats why i love lc OLD IS GOLD

[@bobharris6157]

It looks like someone put the snorkel head on the wrong way on the Cruiser.

[@AJ_Off_Road]

You are correct, it is actually backwards.

[@takudzwachimutanda9136]

The patrol is better car Its more powerful Seems to be doing it much easier I would get a patrol over the cruiser for 2020

[@curtispeterson1348]

wrong, wrong, wrong, check ur facts mate

[@takudzwachimutanda9136]

Sorry but my facts are intact. The new patrol is a better car Check other comments too. You seem to be the odd one out

[@hassanjuko3318]

Which country is this right handed like Uganda

[@irishmoon69]

Fair review until the last “reliability” comment, You are joking surely? Had a Y62 for 3 1/2 yrs no issues, have a couple of mates with 200 series, both had different significant issues. Y62 is ugly but they are at least well built and reliable.

[@alexfrankl7861]

The patrol has earned a good reputation , toyotas on the other hand are going backwards .

[@sonofthesoutherncross1836]

Y62 for me 👍🏼

[@gillestheophile9682]

Poor review. Not comparing apples with apples. Why not review the top spec LC which has an almost 35k PRICE difference. Then you could re-write your value segment. You mention the Patrol's harsher ride. It has an 18inch wheel as opposed the GXL LC's 17inch with 285 tyres Vs the patrols 265. The LC Sahara has 18 inch wheels with a lower profile!! Maybe that would ride more like the Patrol? You're "reliability" verdict is unsubstantiated. A quick google search shows too much information on the problems that the V8 4.5DTT has plagued grey nomads with. Also how reliable is the LC trip computer fuel stats. A significant difference to you're actual figures. How can they get away with understating the L/100km towing by 11L/100? No mention of that in your review? How reliable will the GXL be in an accident whilst towing at max GCM with its almost non existent safety features? Maybe this review is just another unreliable opinion!!! Ahhhh and I almost forgot. You summarise to the point that the rest of the world will experience worse fuel economy due to having a heavier foot than you BUT you claimed to have an inner hoon whilst driving the patrol?

[@Hope2421]

SsangYong Rexton Ultimate would do the same job for half the money 👍

[@AJ_Off_Road]

Not entirely. Whilst it certainly would suit a lot of people, and seems to be great bang for buck, loaded up that caravan would be about 3100kg. Rexton has a GCM of 5960, deduct the 3100 leaves you 2860kg. The van has an empty ball weight of around 180kg, so in reality a minimum of 200kg loaded (if not 250kg), so that taking that off leaves 2660kg. Deduct the weight of the car leaves you with 372kg of payload to carry the family and any bits and bobs or mods you may want on the car, and that figure is likely to be even less in reality, as the van is likely to have more than only a 200kg ball when loaded). Do the same figures on the Patrol and you are left with 585kg payload (after towball weight accounted for), 213kg more that the Rexton. Take that caravan up to the claimed max tow capacity of 3500kg and due to the GCM, the Rexton is left with a payload of 162kg, and thats without even taking into account the towball. Put 200kg down on the towball and suddenly you are already over the limit of the the GVM of the car by 38kg, and that's before one person has even stepped into it. Do the same again on the Patrol and once again you still have a payload of 565kg. Rexton very well might be a great value car, and perfect for a lot of mid sized caravaners, but won't do the "same job" as you say.

[@13106580]

With those fuel consumption figure while towing the Patrol would have a ever so slight range advantage over the cruiser. This message wasn't put across well

[@zarifhamdamov6766]

This good test 👍tankyou

[@colinlongton2184]

Hi how can you compare a LC GXL with a Y62 TiL bottom of the range in LC and top of the range in Y62. You went on and on about how much fuel the Y62 would drink yet they were almost the same for towing. Drive gave the Y62 car of the year over LC your evaluation wrongly favours the LC so as a reviewer you can only be described as incompetent cheers Col

[@geffteraphael9128]

J'aime trop c'est deux gens de voiture🤩, depuis mon âge d'enfance jusqu' à maintent , mon rêve est de posseder l'un / ou l'autre 🤑 sois les deux à la fois ( mais pas moyen económique🙈.

[@Tedkelvin]

If only the patrol had the (discontinued) V9X 3.0 v6 diesel by Renault/Nissan, This would have been an annihilation. Let alone the (also discontinued) 5.0 Cummins v8 from the Titan.

[@patrollife4952]

You guys need compare need compare vehicle's with same trim option as the 200 in this video not got same options as y62 if you did the 200 series would be close 30k more expensive makes y62 far better option than 200 series even with the petrol motor over 5 year the y62 will be less to run taking into account cost of vehicles I as noticed you didn't use top the range landcuriser but you use top the the range y62 maybe a bit basis on your part to make look the same in price

[@johnallen5215]

With the fuel consumption being almost the same, you need to remember the LC200 has a 4.7L TTD V8, and the Patrol has a 5.6L NA tuned V8 petrol. Also, to do videos like this of testing and recommending a vehicle, can you be fully unbias, this videos shows you chosed the LC200 before starting the engine, and also from spending more time speaking about the LC200 over the Patrol.

[@carsguide]

Hi John, thanks for getting in touch. I thought the Patrol would prove to be the better tow vehicle. Towing back-to-back was a real eye-opener. Read the yarn for more info. Also, read my recent Patrol review which was again very positive about the Patrol. Thanks for taking the time to watch the vid and commenting. - Crafty

[@travismcphee2961]

You probably had your toyota Y fronts on mate doing this review, I use to be a hardcore landcruiser/Toyota Maniac until I bought a Patrol never again will I go back to Toyota

[@grahamhastie896]

I can still see the advertising cheque arriving from Toymotor after this "test"....

[@rossdrayton5476]

Reliability over refinement? You never mentioned any reliability issues. Fuel consumption towing is the same. 4 other reviews put the suspension of the patrol ahead. Poor review.

[@llubu2]

Didn't know there were so many patrol fanboys

[@markrossi131]

Land cruiser wins,, until you hit 90,000 ks and need to spend $10k on a new dpf and then at 180,000 ks need to spend $20k on new injectors. Petrol engines drink a little more but have much less maintenance and have heaps more power.

[@qasimhaleimi]

I think it is not balanced comparison as toyota is diesel engine while patrol is petrol engine there is a lot of things not taken in consideration in this review it was mainly about towing

[@mitchbassett1759]

Cruiser reliability???? You mean that thing where they dust their engines? Can you tell me what is unreliable about the patrol?? You also blab on about the fuel usage of the patrol, needing fuel stations etc, yet then throw up near on identical fuel figures between the two??? Any mention on the 30k price difference between the two? This smells of junk journalism and paid advertisements. Next.

[@richardwalsh5570]

Do a tow test with a 4.4 td v8 Range Rover

[@craigdavid6668]

Can’t even reliably haul itself around let alone tow something😂

[@swada02]

GXL vs the top spec Patrol, why?

[@krecha1]

Swayda Price point is the only reason

[@swada02]

@@krecha1 Fair enough. Patrol more value for money in that sense.

[@curtispeterson1348]

TOYOTA BETTER

[@stirlingquintal971]

Ahhh yeh I haven't driven either of them but I recon the patrols a better car simple because 30 years a go my Nan had a pulsar

[@varzacwarin782]

Both V8 and big Wagons! You would think they're great for towing. Think again, my Ranger costs a lot less doing the same job!

[@totts113]

The towing capabilities of a ranger are considerably less than either of these cars, and these two would tow much more effortlessly.

[@jenschroeter22]

not in the same ballpark

[@boosted32]

93k for a GXL??? I paid 96k for my 2019 VX... aint nobody paying in the 90's for a GXL....

[@pezzatrol]

Ain't nobody paying $90+ for a TI-L either, most are getting them for between $80 & 85k.

[@rosewood1]

The really interesting thing here is how poorly the Diesel Landcruiser performed. It should be allot more efficient. But it isn't. Toyota have engineered massive complexity into their engine and while it generates torque the lightweight complex design costs both fuel and reliability. It has very low resilience. The number of 200s with new engines new injectors etc is staggering. And it has a dreaded DPF. I predict that people will get fed up with 30k plus bills and you won't be able to give these vehicles away. The Patrol isn't perfect but it's engine seems to be pretty reliable and clearly it hasn't suffered the failures that Toyota is experiencing. The reality however is that some modern 4 cylinder Turbo Diesel engine are allot simpler and yet stronger. The Holden Colorado is an interesting example. Italian based forged internals plus big bearings and a much heavier block than in say a Range Rover that breaks crank shafts has resulted in a pretty bullet proof engine. Because it is actually a proper truck engine. Not a car engine and that in part is why the Toyota is disappointing. My old 4.5 twin cam Toyota petrol engine was similarly indestructible. But the really interesting comparison would be to compare the Petrol landcruiser to the Petrol Patrol and then factor in reliability and parts availability.

[@ryandsousa3646]

What a stupid review. Craps on about how the patrol will drink a heap of fuel while towing and ends up getting 0.2 L/100 more than the cruiser. You can get a brand new patrol TI for around 70k that is still better equipped than that gxl cruiser. Claims the cruiser is more reliable...What exactly is he basing that on? Guarantee those turbo diesel cruiser engines will have more issues over it's lifespan than the NA v8 patrol. Also should've mentioned that the patrol has 33 inch tyres standard compared to the 31 inch tyres on the cruiser. Can guarantee this muppet owns an iPhone just because it's an iPhone.

[@anbu6183]

Just like reviewing two same brand and model of cars but tell big difference on each other.

[@Countrysideboy247]

It is like hating a lamborghini at front of a honda nsx just because it is not as reliable as the nsx! But the patrol is really reliable!

[@sms19846]

In most comparisons the CarsGuid verdicts biased for Toyotas. Dunno why??

[@curtispeterson1348]

its better

[@hotrod7603]

@@curtispeterson1348 paid not better

[@curtispeterson1348]

@@hotrod7603 👏👏👏👏👏👏👌👌😂😂😂😂😂😂 accurate mate

[@curtispeterson1348]

@@hotrod7603 wonder why every other company chooses Toyota

[@lockyrichardson7195]

I’d pick the Toyota Land Cruiser any day, it is worth its price

[@scholtzkruger4724]

Sorry i disagree even though im a die hard toyota fan but be honest here the vx200 has been out classed here, i drove both of these vehicles and i must say the firm ride is nonsens bothe toyota and patrol i drove we deflated the tyres to 2bar all around the patrol handled bad road much better, in this review i wonder if they even checked the tyres pressures.

[@richardzedman1160]

Lol he looks at the trip meter on patrol and it says 23 and he goes on about youll pay for fuel in this land cruiser showing 15 lol and ends up beeing the same as patrol lol and he still goes on about it being thirsty I seen dozens of patrol using less fuel than landcruisers when towing

[@ligijiji9919]

Toyota car: **Loses comparison* Toyota Fans: ummm...ummm...yes, RELIABILITY IS THE KEY!!! Bruh stop it with the reliability. Nissan is better

[@raybourne5781]

Oh.... reliability issues my ass.... now if you said this against a Jeep.... And I had a few beers I might just believe you

[@raydouglas708]

Obviously this guy is a Toyota driver . You can tell from his first sentence !!!! Apples for apples the Patrol kills the Landcruiser across the board !!!!!! A Lancruiser with comparable specs is around $140,000 .

[@obs2746]

Yep, came across as Biased. Same consumption but petrol is cheaper and so is petrol engine servicing. Sponsored review vs unwanted results. We all know which car stood out, and it wasn’t the sponsored one.

[@blackdiamondmarine]

Toyota clearly spends more money on advertising with CarsGuide than Nissan. Fuel figures turned out to be Negligible and within the margin of error to be equivalent. Yet you put so much emphasis on the Patrol being thirsty "the big issue with the patrol is fuel consumption". You claim the Toyota is more reliable? Did the Nissan break down on the test and you didn't show us? You mentioned the Toyota had spongy brakes then brushed over that with bullshit engine breaking being reliable 'feel secure like it always bites in when you need it too' like it has 8v92 with Jake brakes, Hardly believable from auto trans, and comes across like a Toyota apologetic on a soap box. Did the Patrol even have brakes or did you forget to mention them because they were better than its rivals? We know the patrols steering "isn't on Point", but cant help but think if that was the Toyota (like the toyota's spongy breaks) the tester would have quickly paved over that with a comment about how he prefers that feel like a trusty old Ferguson tractor. You spent more time talking about the cruisers amazing seat despite the fact that you clearly may as well used the same seat out of hilux workmate, than you talked about the entirety of the Patrol vastly superior interior. "the 200 has had to work pretty hard to get up and over. I have had to use some heavy throttle to keep things moving along" Did you not have to use heavy throttle to keep the Patrol moving along? Are we supposed to guess what the extra near 100kw of power on the NA petrol Patrol V8 does to its on road performance? seems to me that having to use "heavy Throttle" and telling us you drive like a 90 year granddad (even though we have to forgive the Hoon in him) means that Cruiser was truly maxed out. But I guess telling us how the Nissan went in that regard must have ended up on the cutting room floor because it obviously had no bearing in the outcome. CarsGuide this review rates a total of 1 out of a possible 5 genuine and unbiased car reviews Perhaps if you need an example of how to do a fare and unbiased head to head towing review of these two specific 4wds you should check our 'Mountain Trail RV's KZbin channel and their review on exactly that. sincerely A proud unbiased Land Cruiser owner

[@jithinanu]

Watch your own video again. See the difference on your hand while driving LC and patrol. Your whole body shaking on LC, holding tighter on LC steering, People towing on LC gets tennis elbow. UMM LC wins uh?

[@didin-h]

Vive prtrol💪

[@michaelandrich]

Beats up the fuel consumption issue on the Patrol....0.2L per 100km in it when towing. Toyota "perceived" reliability. Same price yet miles apart on tech and equipment. Get out of Toyota's pocket and call it for what it is

[@richardzedman1160]

theres been a lot tests done with towing and the patrol always out scores the diesel Toyota it gets better fuel economy and dose it easy with heaps of power the land cruiser is flat out up steep hills and the patrol you got to keep backing of power as its speed up hills keeps increasing look it up all these people going on about poor fuel economy lol and its 30K plus cheaper than toyota and with more kit in it

[@jewels211966]

Cruiser for me...