Landlord who served notice to quit 2 years ago in residential tenancy dispute is 'at wits end'

[@jamesohara9152]

Yes it is absolutely horrendous letting out a house here in Ireland. The law is completely one sided here. The tenant can systematically destroy the house while refusing to pay rent and refuse to leave. There is literally nothing one can do to get them out if they refuse to leave. Forget the law It can be incredible expensive, ineffective and soul destroying. I know someone in Dublin who ,after a year of trying to get a tenant out - (did everything by the book - a mistake) ,who simply stopped paying the rent, had to pay the tenant over €14,000 simply to leave. It was cheaper than going through the law and another 2 to 3 years of no rent plus damage to the property which the tenant was doing and would inevitably have to be repaired at considerable cost. Is caused a lot of grief and upset and a hard pill to swallow at the time.

[@barbarar5869]

I am a renter, and I find that in my 7 years in Dublin I have had to deal with a lot of stuff I never had to deal with as a renter in other countries. I have had landlords walk into the house unannounced because they need to garden, renting a room for cash without any written tenancy agreement, getting kicked out because they were allegedly selling the apartment...Unless you earn a very high income, I find that many rental properties in Dublin are of low quality and renters are treated as second class citizens. Yes, I feel sorry for landlords with bad tenants, but maybe the system is broken and rewards bad tenants and does not reward honest individuals such as myself that pay on time and take good care of the property.

[@michaelloftus9406]

Thanks for highlighting this anti landlord process

[@vinnymcg7435]

I was also looking at that HAPS nonsense and it seems that if the tenant stops paying the HAPS they are not obliged to pay the landlord therefore the landlord would be stuck with the tenant. It seems to me that the HAPS scheme is a load of bull, and these other so called advantages to the landlord are pointless if you are stuck with a tenant who won’t can’t pay.

[@pmacc3557]

There's an automatic assumption that because you own and rent out a property that you are loaded and I have found tenants seem to want everything paid for them.

[@Zionrepublic]

Totally agree, and if have more than two places then you are " made" as they say, what bullshit this is, running owning a place is not easy with insurance taxes upkeep etc.

[@aightm8]

If you rent the home you are in fact responsible for paying repairs etc. for them. That's the cost of home ownership

[@Zionrepublic]

@@aightm8 correct, the government has a negative attitude to landlords owners. The new laws on rental make it difficult to get good rent and you need to furnish it with the best products or you will not get good rent, I wish we had the American way rent the place empty and return it once the lease expires.

[@phillipfortinbras3896]

Absolutely agree. The Irish remnants have zero respect for the investor or property. The Europeans are completely different.

[@private-private]

Tenants need to remember one thing that the media never really discusses. If you pay 2k a month in rent the government takes 52% of that in tax from the landlord you pay it too. Just let that sink in. If you pay 2k a month the landlord takes out his expenses and whatever is left the government take 52% of it and remember the mortgage payment cannot be deducted either by the landlord. So if you are a tenant remember whatever you pay the government takes more than half.

[@ministry_of_love]

Thanks very much that that story. Quite harrowing for both parties. Moral of the story for me is that there no such thing as *easy money* or _easy passive income_

[@truth.speaker]

_both_??? She literally has all the control. She has no respect for the man who owes the house and the system is supporting her as she takes advantage of him

[@louisecollins1938]

Agreed. She is essentially stealing. Utter madness that this allowed happen and it’s no wonder Irish landlords are fleeing the market!

[@cathy123183]

I do feel the law around property rentals in Ireland is not balanced at this present time. First off is the state imposing a law to ensure people get notice leave property. This should have been taken care of in a standard lease agreement. By doing this the state has killed many of the agreements that would be a lease agreement to protect the owner as it becomes impossible to enforce. I have rented property in the USA and I just love their lease agreement. Pages long protecting both the landlord and tenant. At the end of the day the landlord is the one risking everything, the tenant has little to no risk.

[@surlookmedia]

Very relevant video at this moment - Wonder if the property has since been returned?

[@cahluareis]

That's why there's a housing problem in Ireland, there's plenty of properties available but the landlords rather don't let them out than go through that hassles of not having their own property back.

[@user-qb7ms6vs7s]

Yes. Consequences for the rtb a bad behaviour

[@user-qb7ms6vs7s]

I'm was an accident landlord. Rtb made a determination order against last week and have not allowed apeal. The tenant lied. I WIl NEVER EVER RENT AGAIN

[@richardthomas7103]

Thanks for that I asked about tenancy laws in the q and a , I’m a builder from Essex and I’m looking to move to Ireland and renovate something then maybe have an investment property but I think I will leave the buy to let idea

[@terrygorry]

If you have a good tenant, it is not a bad idea. But it is easy to get into a difficult situation and the Residential Tenancies Board will have to be availed of. It can be slow and used as a weapon by unscrupulous tenants.

[@SOHAZMUNSHI]

My landlord gave me 3 months notice as I was less than 6 months, by checking through threshold I know it is invalid now I am dispute on RTB now what can happen next pls let me know thanks

[@chrismcgee9693]

My partner has not got a tenancy agreement she needs this to prove to the universal credit to get help with paying her rent but she is having to pay with her universal credit payment of 526 a month

[@jacquelineanncollins7412]

Question please, are tenants, in a shouse share situation with the owner living with them, required to be registered by the landlord with rtb.ie?

[@terrygorry]

I Googled that for you: www.threshold.ie/advice/seeking-private-rented-accommodation/sharing-with-your-landlordrenting-from-a-tenant/#:~:text=If%20you%20share%20accommodation%20with,dispute%20mechanisms%20available%20for%20tenants.

[@Zionrepublic]

No is the simple answer

[@deirdreocarroll1975]

YES

[@Zionrepublic]

@Deirdre O Carroll the owner doesn't need to register. it's not required, so I assume your yes is you understand

[@FBICPS]

Landlords are getting out and won’t be back. It’s just not worth the agro.

[@patriciafloyd1254]

Are you at the same risk if you sign a 12 month contract with a tenant

[@terrygorry]

Yes

[@Zionrepublic]

6 month lease is a way around it, but not really practical if you have more than 2 properties.

[@dard683]

i have 2 houses in good locations. only rent to working couples. if u rent apartments to people on low incomes you might as well take HAP etc ro mitigate the risk.

[@seanmaccionnaith3458]

Just wandering if the tenant is a foreigner? I rent property in Ireland and have a rule that we only rent to Native Irish people. In almost thirty years I never had a problem getting a tenant to move if it is necessary. I have heard other landlords saying that some of the foreigners are a nightmare. Stick to the people you know that's my motto. Paddies only !!!!!!!!!!

[@user-qb7ms6vs7s]

Especially indian tenants

[@paulfitness5157]

We have been staying in a property 7 years ,paying rent on time ,landlord never registered with Rtb ,the original landlord died and it property was passed on to 2 of his brothers who have subsequently deceased .We recently got a NOT from a solicitor stating this and that somebody(new landlord) will want to move in for 3 years after this notification is served.This man's current address is on the letter and he lives in a nice area so I ask myself why does he want to live in our place for 3 years only .Our rent is lower than market through no fault of our own and its so hard to even buy a house now let alone find another rental which we can afford. Therefore I have decided that I'm not going to move ,the new landlord will not go homeless but we will .

[@Zionrepublic]

Yes the landlord is very much stuck in the middle and tenent wins, but one must say why has the system gotten so bad that a non owner rules a property they don't own with silly excuses of i cant find a place, we need to follow or look at countries that have a system that works rather than poor tenent mentality and housing crisis, in Sweden the rules on renting are very straight forward and pro owner, Ireland is behind in its mentality and progress of change.

[@aightm8]

The market already provides a net benefit to owners as supply is limited and rents are sky high. There's no free market economics at play here. If there were more supply, neither of them would be in this situation. Governmental incompetence in housing has already given a huge windfall to property owners. If they were to fix the system as you say. I think you'd find you stand to make a net loss. What you really want is limited supply to continue combined with legislation heavily in favour of landlords. Sweden is building 50,000 homes a year. They are set to end their housing crisis by 2027 as the new supply entering the market is outpacing their population growth. 11 tenants for every 10 houses. Versus 9 tenants for every 10 houses. Will put massive downward pressure on rents. Favourable legislation for landlords is ok in Sweden. Because the other 90% of the system isn't rigged in their favour. You essentially want to have your cake and eat it.

[@aightm8]

To add. The landlord should be able to get someone to leave their property. But the root of the problem here isn't your rights. The root of the problem is the same thing that makes the rent every month so high. So if you want to fix the root cause of the problem you stand to make a net loss.

[@Zionrepublic]

@@aightm8 I don't want my cake and eat it, I want a system that makes sense and is fair, the swedes don't run to the tenancy board when they know they are wrong in overloading a dwelling.The market is high in Ireland for rent but that can change for good if it's regulated by a fair system not by rtb or these rent pressure zone rules, that don't have any clear understanding.we need to control the market with clear Best practices internationally.

[@Zionrepublic]

@@aightm8 every cause has a solution, people moaning about rent is high will not help, engage with people and owners for solution, average landlord in Ireland would prefer good rent over high rent with massive internal issues they bring

[@aightm8]

@@Zionrepublic most landlords want good rent and high rent. It's not a zero sum game where it's one or the other. It's like applying for a job. Often more intrusive. It's not moaning. It's a genuine issue whose only solution is more supply. Inflation aside. A home costs about 10X a yearly salary. Whereas they used to cost 3X. Put it this way. If the government over regulated beef production and prices soared. The solution wouldn't be to "engage with Tesco". You just ease the supply side constraints and that's it. Perhaps engage with the farmers. As they create the supply. If anything. The government should be engaging with the construction industry and property developers, not landlords. To develop a plan to ramp up housing supply. No matter what the legislation is. If supply and demand is skewed the market will not be healthy. Furthermore. REITS and other large funds make the problem worse. They have access to credit at rates 1-2% lower than buyers and small landlords. This puts upward pressure on prices. As that 1-2% over the life of the mortgage means they pay 50-100k less. Which by extension means they can afford more house than we can. And of course. Higher prices means higher rents. As most investors are looking for 8% return minimum per year. If not 12