LG-IBM ThinkPad 570 and The Scandal of LG-IBM

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@paullee107 Ай бұрын

Dude! I remember seeing this article - and your website has been a destination for me!! Thanks for sharing this video; great stuff!!!

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

It's been nice to come full circle and see one of these machines in person.

@tonycosta3302 Ай бұрын

I was in Seoul in the early 2000s and saw LG IBM laptops in a tech mall there. I recall being very confused by it.

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

I can imagine. It seems like an odd strategy to rebrand well established brands to break into a new market. I'm sure somebody thought it was a good idea, not sure it was.

@MIqbal-p1t 7 күн бұрын

Watspp number

@juanignacioaschura9437 Ай бұрын

The LG-IBM story reminds me of the bribery scandal that IBM Argentina was involved in: they bribed over USD10 million to get a contract worth over USD250 million to provide an entire IT infrastructure solution to Banco Nación (Argentina's National Banking Institution). Offshore accounts, suspended sentences, a witness that was found dead, threats to the journalist who uncovered the scandal, the whole shebang, and IBM also had to pay a fine to the SEC.

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Very interesting. What years was this?

@juanignacioaschura9437 Ай бұрын

@@LaptopRetrospective That scandal was in 1993 and 1994.

@hawkeye454 Ай бұрын

Very strange yet interesting machine for sure. I'm intrigued by the IBM LG venture.

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

It is definitely an odd one. Rebranded machines to try and break into the market by covering up an iconic brand.

@Kimmsito 23 күн бұрын

Glad to see that you made a video about LG IBM. I've been making a video about them recently, and your article was the cornerstone to start the research haha. While IBM Korea's bribery scandal can be considered as one of the reasons why the joint company resulted in closure, LG's goal was already quite different from IBM's goals in terms of future market back then. I will cover this and all sorts of details about them in the video!

@LaptopRetrospective 23 күн бұрын

Very cool, I'd love to hear more about what you're working on. Feel free to drop me an email if you like.

@Kimmsito 23 күн бұрын

@@LaptopRetrospective Will do, thank you!

@LaptopRetrospective 23 күн бұрын

@Kimmsito looking forward to it. Drop me a comment here when you send the email so I can make sure it doesn't get caught by a spam filter.

@Kimmsito 9 күн бұрын

@@LaptopRetrospective Video is now ready on my channel!

@LaptopRetrospective 9 күн бұрын

@@Kimmsito I'll post the link because I know KZbin can be annoying about posting links, excellent video btw! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJLUqYOtadighZo

@danielhandika8767 Ай бұрын

back then when laptop gives you all the ports you need

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

That and no universal ports, many not standardized. Pros and cons.

@oggilein1 Ай бұрын

laptops still do this... Japanese business laptops that is. The Panasonic Let's note CF-SR4, released at the beginning of 2024 for example has 3x usb A, 2x usb C, RJ45 gigabit ethernet, HDMI out, VGA out, a fullsize SDcard reader and a headphone jack, as well as a 16v barrel Jack if you prefer to use one of those instead of usb C charging (tho both options are supported) the battery on these is also hotswappable provided youre hooked up to power during the swap. shame that despite these machines still being really portable (the SR is 12.4" with there also being a 14" FV version) and lightweight (the SR weighs less than a kilogram) these havent caught on anywhere else and so to get the same features on a laptop available locally you'd need to go with a bulky toughbook or other rugged laptop

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Looked it up, seems like a neat machine. Always thought that WheelPad was odd. I did wonder about the price range and it looks to be the upper end.

@tonycosta3302 Ай бұрын

And a bunch you never used or wanted.

@oggilein1 Ай бұрын

@@LaptopRetrospective The wheel looks odd but is amazing when you get used to it, a bit like how it is with the trackpoint. Its standout feature is that it allows you to infintely scroll using one finger (exactly like how an Ipod clickwheel works) so for reading through blogs or pdf files it's a breeze. new the let's notes are very expensive but they also depreciate quite quickly so back in 2022 when I bought mine, I paid maybe 160000 yen for the 2021 model cf-sv1 which while not cheap, is about half of the 298000 yen the 2022 model cf-sv2 was. The sv series is interesting in its own right because it still retained a sata optical bay and shipped with a bluray drive by default (though i took mine out and replaced it with a second ssd). but I think even panasonic realized that optical media is on its way out because they stopped producing that model in 2023 and all the new ones get rid of the optical drive in favour of a bigger yet slimmer form factor battery and 2.3x bigger touchpad (the one on the sv1 is comparable to that of an X220, it's not terrible but certainly leaves some to be desired)

@2Mourty Ай бұрын

Awesome video! Happy Christmas

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Cheers, thank you.

@wilou62 Ай бұрын

Hello Thomas, Very nice video with nice bits of history. To my eyes and from a technical point of view, the 570 (and its declinaisons) has always been a 600 without optical drive. They appear to be very similar. And the fact there is no ODD, the fact that it's possible to have a second battery, it also reminds me of the powerbridge laptops (the T series or the X series from Haswell to Kaby Lake). The fact that there are machines with 12,1" screens and 800x600, and then 13.3" screens with 1024x768, that was also the same thing with the 600. I don't have any 570 in my collection (but I have a 560) but the machines I saw on the after market have always been shown with the standard IBM logo, not the LG/IBM one (and the same under the laptop). The very first IBM I put my hands on was a iSeries 1161 made by Acer (the black one) and even if, after having learned that it wasn't a "true" IBM, it was sufficient to give me the virus. I talk about that, it was in 2001 or 2002. It was so nice (it was my girlfriend's laptop) I wanted to buy one for me and I found a 600 (that cost me 250 €, it was very expensive for me at the time and it also was the first time I bought a laptop on the internet). The seller wasn't very serious and delayed the expedition for nearly two weeks, I was very stressed ! But everything finally went right (after he sends me the floppy drive that was supposed to be here and that he had forgotten !). Unfortunately, the laptop had quickly problems (disk detection, keyboard), I sold it for spares and just after, bought a 600E I still have today ! :) Will you make a video about the iSeries ? Have good day, wish you the best for the last days of this year, and of course for the days that come after ! :) W.

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

The i Series is on my list. The question is, which one do I do? So many of them are just versions of other models so it's like to do the most unique ones. I just haven't done that research to know which one to seek out.

@wilou62 Ай бұрын

@@LaptopRetrospective Thank you for your answer. :) If it was me, I would like a video about the 1200 (1161) but to be honest, apart from the fact that it's an IBM/Acer laptop, I don't think there's much to say about it. The 1400/1500 (2621) is probably more interesting, with its front CD player and the colored buttons on the top of the keyboard. I remember another story about the 1200 of my girlfriend : the A cover was more and more damaged month after month and it was more and more difficult to open the laptop without having display problems (the damage was around the left hinge). One day when she didn't needed it, I went to see a friend of mine and we repaired the A cover with a rectangular piece of tranparent plexiglas we glued over the damaged area and that also went from the left to the right of the laptop. To create a symetrical thing and to give more strength. It was a repair so nice that my girlfriend didn't complain anymore about the laptop. Proud of what we did with my friend. I also remember to have been awaken all over a night to reinstall the system short after she bought the laptop. There was an original version of Windows 98 not clean at all, I installed the new Windows XP, I did a lot of optimizations so that the system could run correctly and the result wasn't half bad at all ! Pretty snappy (I bragged to her that I made the system boot in approximatively 30 seconds, and that was pretty quick back then ! :D). And with just 64 MB of RAM ! \o/ A very nice little machine ! :) W.

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

@wilou62 that's an interesting repair and a snappy boot time indeed. Thanks for suggesting models, I have a lot of homework to do on them.

@herrfaust2020 Ай бұрын

I had a 560 in my hands for a couple of days. Very cool machine, which was thinner than the 570. And unlike the 570, it had a premium feel to it.

@wilou62 Ай бұрын

@@herrfaust2020 Hello herrfaust, The 560 was still the IBM "old manner", so different from the machines that came after. But yes, the quality was there and I was surprised by the silence of it when I had it. It's the last machine on which I have Windows 95, I haven't booted it up for years. As I didn't have had the pleasure to put my hands on a 570, the quality is so bad ? I said earlier that it reminded me of the 600 but obviously, not so much when it comes to manufacture. Most of the pics back then don't do justice to what the machine could really feel like. It I look at the recent videos, it seems to me that the 570 is probably more like the first T's, no ? (When I got my 1st T23, I wasn't amazed by the quality when I compared it to the 600 and the keyboard was far from being excellent). The advantage of the 570, I think, is that it can be in better shape today than what a 600 could be. The bezel and the a cover tend to become sticky and that's absolutely not a pleasant thing - the same with the X301 in fact. If the 570 and the 1st T's are the same, well, I'm reassured when I see my 1st T23, as it has minimal wear and just the little crack at the right (the junction of the palmrest and the part that is at the right of the keyboard itself, pretty common problem on this machine). My second one has also this problem but as I found it in a garbage bin, I didn't have the choice). Apart from that, it's very sturdy. And in terms of sturdiness, would that be possible to do a parallel between, for example, the T's and the R's when we compare the 570 to the 600 ? Or a T23 ? W.

@FedericoJrLPaler Ай бұрын

Great video. Merry Christmas 🎄🎁

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Same to you!

@FarmerSlideJoeBob Ай бұрын

Yeha a new Video :) Wish you and your family a wonderful christmas eve :D And holy molly how cool was the docking stations even in the past :O

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Cheers!

@TechDave Ай бұрын

Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄 ❤️

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Same to you!

@kotohime Ай бұрын

First time I'm seeing an IBM 570 and this laptop is really thin for its time. I've used a couple of Dell Latitudes from 2003-2006 and they felt a bit thicker (although it may be just a perspective thing with how Dell D400 had big screen bezels)

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Yes, very thin and portable, mostly due to no built in optical or floppy drive.

@herrfaust2020 Ай бұрын

Cool. I never knew about the partnership with LG. I had a 570 and 570E, and both were bought in Canada, so only IBM logos present. Watch out for the video cable. It had a habit of coming loose (like on a Macbook 😀), resulting in a white screen (panel backlight, but no video signal). Easy enough to take apart and reseat, although it was a pain. I guess I should have tried to figure out a more permanent solution. These were very cool, being super slim at the time, although had the cheap plastic palmrest. The screens I had were very bright, but weren't compatible with the 600 series. Ultrabay CD/DVD/HDD were same as 600s, though.

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Yes, this generation had the semi exposed display cable. The 240 also had the same issue.

@NatesRandomVideo Ай бұрын

Early 2000s sure were interesting. Some of the companies involved in this type of corruption are still alive today and still at it…

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

Any particular examples come to mind?

@NatesRandomVideo Ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@LaptopRetrospectiveWell, Dell is still around and they made shady deals all the time back then. Cisco. Etc. Most of their perks weren’t quite to the level of being in the form of bags of cash, but there were lots of free things and trips being paid for in the early days. The US still honors numerous rules certain countries have about having to sell certain “secure” tech equipment back to ourselves through a business in the country the tech is going to. My personal experience with that is another company - but let’s say certain folk want to use XYZ Corp PCs in a project… they’ll have to “sell” it first to their XYZ Corp division in that country or a third party approved by the receiving location’s government - to have a markup added before the end customer buys it back. Same sort of bribe, just not cash in a bag. “Approved corruption”, shall we say? Haha. Back then IBM and LG-IBM seem to have been in too much of a hurry and didn’t want to go the “time-tested” route? Dunno… why they didn’t just do their bribes like everybody else did ‘em! LOL! (And still do.) Prior to my time in servers, telecom was even shadier. Haha. At one time something close to 90% of undersea fiber was owned by a company with a broom closet in the Bahamas as Corporate HQ! Hehehe. (I was at a company they acquired. One of our techs took a photo of “HQ” while on vacation and emailed it to us for a laugh.) Fun and games when things cross lines drawn on maps! Cheers!

@Hadisabetghadam 9 күн бұрын

Funny Things: Compaq Presaio 1700 = LG X-Note(First LG Laptop)

@LaptopRetrospective 9 күн бұрын

Interesting. Must have had a deal with them as well.

@jackshihtaken Ай бұрын

I was fast!

@remoschramm Ай бұрын

i want this dock for my 570e 🤤

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

It's a great dock. No question.

@remoschramm Ай бұрын

@@LaptopRetrospective and installing anything without it is a real pain in the but

@LaptopRetrospective Ай бұрын

I imagine it could be. Like not having a dock for a 701c.

@herrfaust2020 Ай бұрын

@@LaptopRetrospective - I had, and still do (I think), a Syquest EZ Flyer 230MB parallel port drive. It came in handy back in the day when I had to reinstall Windows on notebooks.