LARGER LOADER/BACKHOE CYLINDERS! MORE LIFTING POWER!! Performance Upgrades for Compact Tractors!

[@Kcolby47]

It is refreshing to see a small business succeed by satisfying needs in the market place and providing excellent customer service. A winning combination. Wishing Kevin well, and continue success. Blessings.

[@JimFinlayson]

I like how you push the limits to help your subscribers make informed decisions.

[@tomoaktree4951]

Hi Tim, Increasing the capacity is a neat concept. My biggest concern is the longevity of the tractor. Buying a modified tractor with some of these upgrades, such as larger cylinders, would make me nervous. On the other hand, increasing the pump capacity, however is a great idea. I actually think these tractors should have been designed with more pump flow right from the factory.

[@pr0jektcha0s]

I agree, the higher pump flow would be welcome. It's also much smoother to operate.

[@kevingebert4316]

I'm already adding the new pump to my wish list. That was amazing to see how fast the backhoe was moving at an idle. I'm thinking another area to watch for added stress or breakage could be those outriggers on the backhoe since you'd be able to pull harder while curling and maybe potentially bend something while its all planted firmly in the ground and the whole tractor wants to heave backwards. Tim is definitely on the bleeding edge of trying out new products and stress testing them so we don't have to and to see what works or fails.

[@minutemanmac]

Kevin's customer service is phenomenal. I work the overnight shift at the PD and sent him an email at 0100hrs about pump questions for my new 2025R that I'd recently ordered and bam, I got a near instant very thorough email back from him on recommendations and statistics. Amazing customer service. I'll definitely be buying the Stage 3 kit when my tractor comes in.

[@Formulabruce]

Tim, a 2R has a full STEEL frame, Engine to rock shaft ,a 3E has a CAST IRON connecting center section to the rear hydro ( like a 50's Deere old school, but hydro). While they may have similar size, the 3E has bigger tires and ground clearance too. Its built at much less cost than a 2R, but does the job.

[@johnhable9236]

My 2R has a cast iron center section and when I clip the pant using it I can see green paint under the black from deer repainting the 3e chassis black for the 2R. It is a 3e with smaller tires.

[@williamfenner9915]

I am very glad to see that you are telling people to use your common sense when using the tractor.

[@PastorDavidFranklin]

Nice additions and great job Tim and Kevin! Keep up your great work Kevin!

[@fullers1966]

Actually all the tests you did with the new cylinders was good it proves the cylinders really improved it especially with the back hole having the wrong bucket and it still works

[@Alanschmalzried]

Interesting product! Thanks for showcasing the products. After upgrading my 1025r to a 2038r in October I’m excited to follow your progress!

[@rustyshackleford498]

The backhoe upgrade is very noticeable even on video. It looks amazing. It must be a night and day difference actually behind the controls.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Used it again yesterday. Had forgotten about the upgrade. Got into a stump and it ripped it out effortlessly. I was shocked….wasn’t until I got home that I remembered the upgrade.

[@ronharrison1776]

Nice additions to our equipment .

[@photocontrol]

Nice upgrades for the loader and backhoe! I installed larger curl cylinders on my loader which made a big difference, I did loose some curl and dump speed though. I hope to put a larger pump on one day to increase the speed.

[@BitCounter]

I got chills watching that circular saw attachment. Looks interesting. The chainsaw looks more 'controllable' . Great info..

[@pr0jektcha0s]

That thing was scary.

[@danshouseofsmokeandoutdoor7119]

Definitely be nice have little more lift. Hope they come up with something for massy soon. Thanks for the video.

[@larryalbertson3042]

My l525 loader has tiny cylinders for the the size of the loader it’s very smooth and I love the way the valve is made to do two functions at once without any issues, I just think the lift capacity is 10-15% under what I’d like and it’s too fast; I’d often wondered about bigger cylinders. I wasn’t thrilled about “shimming” to build pump pressure. I like Kevin’s approach for a lot of reasons. Don’t let the orange allergy keep ya away! They need a little help too.

[@kracer19]

Thanks Tim! I was waiting for in in depth video concerning Hydrosplus's new cylinders! They look Great when paired with the new pump. It is also nice to see a face, to the very smart voice. I also like how both You, and Kevin stand with your customers. It is nice to know that if I break, " Big Sexy", ( 2020 1025r), there is parts to make it better. Love your channel, and I'm looking forward to getting the" weight gauge "

[@richardhowell2607]

I'm sure glad yall got together on the hydro plus. It's a great product

[@ericlaker1983]

Great content. Hydro plus too. I love Hydraulics and showing just .25 of a cylinder and small amount of flow can change work. For the one that are worried about the issues.... don't do it!!!! Others like myself like the idea of a replacement cylinder when i need one and can upgrade!! !!! I love aftermarket that's how new stuff is developed..

[@R3nzo765]

I Got to work with Tim and he’s a very cool guy! Thank you Tim for the experience and knowledge you shared! It was a pleasure meeting you and working with you! I hope we get to work with each other soon.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Really enjoyed it, Zo!

[@markgrehlinger7117]

Kevin I have a Kubota b7800 bought a brand new in 2002 got 170 hours on it,what can we do to upgrade the cylinders for higher lift capacity (and the more reach)?

[@jeffpulkrabek6018]

Great video today. Do these alterations to your tractor void the factory warranty ?

[@adamstone6123]

Great video as always! I'm in love with that 2038r! I think it's the ultimate compact tractor!

[@rgd2598]

As an owner of a two series… I believe the 3R is the best compact tractor. 3 speeds, better lift , more ground clearance and beefier axles.

[@donalexander4083]

cylinders for my 1025r are pretty close to the top of the wishlist ........ the stage 3 kit has been a real game changer and i am really looking forward to getting the new cylinders

[@bc65925]

My neighbors son, who can tear up an anvil with a rubber mallet, broke the load arm off of his skid steer about 8" up from the pivot point. I have no idea what he was doing. So he brought it over and I got it all aligned back up and welded it. It took about a dozen or so rod to build up all of the grinding I did but it was welded. Then he got stuck in mud up above the tracks and was trying to pull himself out with the bucket and ripped it off from the back side. Since it's made for lifting more than pulling it was weaker on the back side. So I ground off more as now it was bent and got it all aligned back up and welded it again. Then I heated up a large truck leaf spring in my forge and formed it to wrap around the whole thing. He hasn't been back. But this proves that even with the supplied hydraulics you can tear up your equipment.

[@ricksmith8267]

Too bad can't get things for the 4 series tractors or 485A backhoe...do you think that may be in the future?

[@Chris-wv4el]

Great video! I'd be interested to find out if any of the pump upgrade options would work on the Yanmar sa424.

[@Formulabruce]

My Only concern would be the cast steel loader uprights. My older Deere's( 650 through 4005) were all steel loader uprights. Thoughts?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Really have no idea what might break first. My guess would be the loader booms might be more likely to bend…in other words, prying on side loads. etc.

[@dave.lawrence.3894]

GREAT video, your right ....

[@utubota5522]

Years ago, I did this kind of upgrade on my old Yanmar. They worked great, however they identified the next weak link in the chain. I ended up rebuilding my loader to accommodate the additional lift. I made bigger jumps in the rams that you did.

[@lohe]

Thanks for the video, just sent Kevin a email definitely my next upgrade on the 1025r

[@eosjoe565]

Are the hose nipples on the replacement cylinders welded better than the OEM cylinders? I'm thinking they probably are.

[@mainer1755]

I have a 2038R with a non-self leveling loader. Now, I'm sure there are scenarios where I could run out of lift, but I have scooped up a FULL bucket of pea gravel and carried it away with no issues, no hesitation, nothing. On the other hand, that curl cylinder on the 270B has me very, very interested. I ordered a 12" bucket, and I am having all kinds of fun digging up stumps, but it does run out of oomph when I need it most. Concerns: As I'm sure you know, the backhoe moves the whole tractor around when it is really working, and the leveling legs kinda take a lot of abuse. Due to rank stupidity on my part, I get to replace those arms at some point (tried to extend them with pins in) A thousand dollar mistake. They seem to be the weak point to me. What do you think? Will the extra pull damage them? And by the way, thanks. Your video comparing the 1025R and the 2038R was key in my decision making process.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Never had an issue with the outriggers.

[@scottsoper]

That is fantastic! Will be nice to lift a little bit heaver pallet.

[@adammiddleton4037]

I love when you “tear things up”

[@fullers1966]

Does he have products for older tractors I'm looking at a 1920 Ford but a 30 horse tractor about a 87 model

[@GreyMassey]

Can you change the self leveling into a standard loader by changing the linkage on it.

[@markcole6475]

Are there rams available for the Kubota LA525 or LA526 loaders? Or something that will work? I’ve increased hydraulic pressure and made a big difference but would rather have bigger rams vs higher pressures.

[@davidbalvin8112]

Tim's Tractor Rod & Custom Shop.

[@tomoaktree4951]

One more comment, the issue of not enough hydraulic flow is not limited to compact tractors. One the farm I used to work at, we had a John Deere 8520 tractor, and it was running out of hydraulic flow when connected to a John Deere 24 row planter. The next year we upgraded to a 9000 series tractor to overcome this issue.

[@davidolchewsky5365]

I found increasing the flow w/ pump And strength with new larger cylinders is a great option to do. I would really like to see such options for the Kubota LX series tractors (spec. LX-2610) and the BH-77 Backhoe. Thanks!

[@drewmcroberts]

Great video Tim and Kevin. Every time I watch your videos it makes me want to get a 1025r however it's hard to justify on a 1/4 acre plot.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I had 0.4 acres when I got my first one. Didn’t need it, it really enjoyed it anyway! Always found stuff to do for neighbors and friends.

[@drewmcroberts]

@@TractorTimewithTim Thanks Tim, all good points. I'll have to start thinking about it more.

[@AaronTurnwald]

Man i want those cylinders and pump on mine!

[@btsllc9676]

I have a Kubota 23d, it definitely needs improved performance. But, even with upgrades, I can't see it performing as good as the current stock tractors. So I will just install an add a grapple and 3rd function. Great video.

[@yvonnejohnson1557]

Will I hurt the front bearings on the axles thanks from Gary

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Bouncing is what destroys the front end. Go slow with heavy load.

[@briananderson6758]

Can you do some of these videos showing performance upgrades to kubota bx series?

[@dcidci1012]

My blue tractors have served me well over the last 30 years, I have many times thought of what it would be like to own green ones & when I see all the extra parts & better parts you have to add to bring them up to where 30 year old blue's are well ???. why don't Deer put the best pump or largest ram possible on it to start with?. My 42 horse (only 4 more than the 2038) has 3.5 inch rams.

[@floydferguson5366]

Great video!

[@Gzus]

Any upgrade kits planned for the 45 loader on the X-series tractors?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

No.

[@yvonnejohnson1557]

Yeah Tim I just wonder what's the weight limit on the front axle of that tractor thanks from Gary

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Good question. We don’t understand the axle ratings.

[@Thecowboy1950]

I wonder if them larger cylinders work on older tractors like the 4200 420 loader

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Would have to work with Kevin on that question.

[@JCWren]

Is the self-leveling loader mechanically different from the non-self-leveling version? Or does the difference come down strictly to hydraulics?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yes, that is why it is called ‘mechanically self leveling’.

[@JCWren]

@@TractorTimewithTim Ah. I either didn't hear the "mechanically" part or it wasn't mentioned. You'd think a hydraulic self-leveling system would be not all that difficult. And it could be enabled/disabled as needed.

[@fullers1966]

The new pump on there sort of like going from a low flow hydraulic to a high flow hydraulic

[@markbottoms64]

I’m interested in the 24” bucket used in this video… Is this a JD part or aftermarket? Does anyone have a part number or place to purchase? Thanks in advance…

[@TractorTimewithTim]

MuddsCustoms.com use code ttwt for a 5% discount. This bucket is great!

[@markbottoms64]

Thank you!

[@bubbahyde4236]

I didn't hear any specs given on the factory vs new hydraulic pump setup. I.e. gpm and psi. Would really like to know the difference. Thanks

[@TractorTimewithTim]

hydrosplus.com has details. On the 2028r, basically doubled the implement flow. From just less than 5gpm to 10GPM.

[@terrygroce1594]

Impressive

[@mohamedodeh5028]

very Wonderful

[@MARKLOCKWOOD2012]

you might take a trailer receiver hitch mount it on top of the forks weld up a receiver bracket sleeve it together your saw arm is out too far?

[@jeffreycurrie3410]

I’m quite intrigued. But, What kind of affect will these types of upgrades do to the balance of factory warranty. You were more clear when you stopped just short of putting nitrous oxide on the “extreme”. Stating your warranty was out the window.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Don’t view ‘warranty’ as all or nothing. If you upgrade your loader cylinders and break the loader boom, no warranty. Your loader cylinders will not impact some unrelated breakage.

[@kavemanthewoodbutcher]

Oh just what I needed, another really expensive thing I can't live without...

[@richardniswander6090]

Interesting to watch. Use the correct size tractor for the job.

[@douglasbuhr5741]

that is cool I wonder if there are similar upgrades for Kubota tractors

[@projectswithjw]

BX products are coming soon to hydrosplus

[@royscarbrough3589]

Nice stuff! Blessings

[@jeff1jeffs]

Do you plan on doing a lift capacity test with the new cylinders?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Hopefully, yes.

[@LKN117]

It would be nice if there were options like this for the Kubota BX series. I've not seen anything like this so far. I know upgrading the pump on a BX would be extremely difficult to develop and most likely unfeasible given how they are designed. But cylinders I don't see why not.

[@projectswithjw]

BX cylinders should be available next month at Hydrosplus. The new cylinders add almost 10 inches to lift height in addition to more lift capacity

[@LKN117]

@@projectswithjw Thanks for the info!

[@celsoncardoso6298]

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[@TractorTimewithTim]

Welcome!

[@scottfoster2487]

Smarter move it to buy the correct tractor from the beging,modifications just risk failure.

[@Skynet-1]

I have a 2021 2025R with MSL loader and wish I could get more lift height on it.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Quite frankly, more lift height would be too dangerous on this small tractor.

[@adamm2716]

i totally forgot i reached out to these guys about upgrades... would be great if i had enough flow so i could run skid steer attchments on my loader

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yea. That would indeed be great. We’re trying…but this is a tall order :-)

[@mikevonhoene6824]

Be careful with the inlet size on the larger pump! Suction issues will cavitate the pump and "kill" it!

[@hoyks1]

The down side is that the implements move faster and now throw dirt at you. A nice problem to have.

[@raymondlanier1112]

Can I. Upgrade on a 2015 1025 r

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yep!

[@raymondlanier1112]

@@TractorTimewithTim cool the only reason I want to upgrade is I have a Lincoln 225 welder and I probably lack about 200 lbs of lift maybe less to pick it up and load it in trailer . Do I need to up grade pump too ? That’s literally the only thing I need to lift passed it’s capacity and I use the bucket with a hook I have on there

[@TractorTimewithTim]

@@raymondlanier1112 sounds good!

[@Tony2tall]

Would like to see the backhoe bucket removed and a single root hook in its place.

[@lowercherty]

One weak point I see is that when the backhoe is pulling hard the stabilizing arms are flexing a lot. Wouldn't want to break those.

[@MARKLOCKWOOD2012]

your putting stresses on tires,rims etc as long as it’s not past your comfort levels to. make sure your tires are properly inflated so your not riding on the rim cutting the tire. best to go load your bucket as full of weight n play around

[@eosjoe565]

Do you no longer lease those tractors? The reason I ask is I can't imagine the dealer allowing those types of mods on a leased machine.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I own all of these now, cept the 3R which is leased.

[@briangc1972]

Going from a 1.5" cylinder to a 2" cylinder is almost double the lifting force. A better, safer choice would be a 1.75" cylinder, that would yield a 50% increase in lift force with significantly less of a speed penalty.

[@rickm9504]

Is he planning on providing any "orange" cylinders in the future?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Dunno. They would look really ugly on these green tractors :-)

[@kerrybowden9097]

I think your bucket with the teeth will be the weak point where the pin that holds the bucket on.

[@scottsoper]

If the bucket is the week point than that is vary good news! One can tear up a bucket and easily take it off and weld it and just put on a different one to finish the job.

[@kerrybowden9097]

@@scottsoper I typed that because it is what mine did...

[@d.a.ballou9740]

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[@rcwayt4020]

An interesting comparison would be to do a lift test with the new cylinders and pump, compared to stock.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

We ran out of time.

[@rcwayt4020]

@@TractorTimewithTim I understand that. Seems like that happens alot.

[@clayseale]

Please do LS tractors!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

That is part of the price you pay for getting a less popular machine. I know it hurts to hear that.

[@clayseale]

@@TractorTimewithTim between it, Montana, New Holland there has to be enough demand...

[@TractorTimewithTim]

At least 80 percent of the market is held between Kubota and Deere. Also, folks who chose to save a few bucks when buying by choosing off brands typically are not willing to purchase accessories and upgrades. So, no, there is not sufficient demand. I do not mean to be offensive. Just stating the facts.

[@petewalker98]

Why don’t you figure out a Modification to “Disable Self-Leveling”, when you don’t need it?

[@eosjoe565]

How would you do that exactly? Keep in mind, these loaders are "MSL". That means "Mechanical" self leveling. Meaning it's the linkage that keeps the bucket level. There is no way to disable that. There are other style loaders which are "HSL" meaning "Hydraulic" self leveling. On those the operator can turn the leveling feature on and off.

[@craigflatley7370]

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[@randallthomas5207]

I would be very hesitant to do this, with out a lot of structural analysis. The systems you are playing with are designed by some highly trained and experienced engineers to use the miminmum amount of materials to meet the design standard, plus a safety factor. As you apply the “little more stress” you are utilizing the safety factor. I’d be very hesitant at doing that.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Fair enough. …in that case, you should not!

[@michaelwillcutt2619]

Tractor is rated at a certain level of capability going stronger than it can handle will break the tractor to point of damage cost more than value. I would never buy a piece of equipment you have ever owned . Hear yourself the standard equipment manufacturer puts on them is maximum for modle