LaserMax Guide Rod Laser: You Have Nothing To Lose

[@warblerblue]

4 years later, Colion's points about guide rod lasers still hold validity.

[@garretthowe5910]

I put a Lasermax on a Glock 19. I sent it back 2 or 3 different times. It seemed to operate great until I actually fired the gun. As soon as the laser warmed up, it had multiple problems. It would turn off on its own. It would come on when I didn’t want it to and I always just felt like it was junk although it cost $280! It also was a much stiffer spring than the factory recoil spring which I didn’t like at all. Needless to say, after Lasermax sent me the 3rd new one, I just left it in the safe in the package.

[@zonniemoe555]

Thanks 🙏 for letting us know

[@desinoelfarias]

As a Filmmaker who is new to firearms, wow... this production value is amazing! Subbed!

[@lincolnpascual]

I like how you have an actual opinion, not just regurgitated bullshit like so many others. "Duurrr lasers are for noobs". "Duurrr they make you super good". While you actually sit back, consider the info at hand, and explain your reasoning very eloquently. Bravo. I'm still too cheap to buy one though.

[@ColionNoir]

They are pricey, there is no denying that.

[@aaron4820]

While people are cynically saying "I'd sit back and consider info at hand if I'm sponsored too", but I'd like to think Colion Noir wouldn't put his name to a product just because they are willing to pay if the product is stupid, and this does seem sound, I mean, it's not like this guide rod is less of a reliable guide rod, like the title says, there's nothing to lose if you have the cash for it.

[@treroney4720]

Colion Noir have u done a video on the best semi auto shotguns?

[@TheNewManCuts]

aaron4820 that’s true bro, I actually am about to buy one after watching this video, I have a habit of leaving my gun with my wife when I feel she’s vulnerable and I would feel even more comfortable if she could rely on a laser sight, Sadly i can’t find one for my KAHR CM9, but I’m buying a G43X soon and I’m hoping they make the guide rod lasers for that model... if you have any tips or know where to find them cheaper lmk

[@NewZealandAmerican]

Colion Noir Another way of asking is "How much is your life worth?"

[@johnsleeth4379]

Losing my dominant eye a couple of years ago I had no problem spending $300 on a green Lasermax for my glock 20. I regained that confidence that I lost with my depth perception. Well worth it!

[@shannonbenson8921]

LaserMax has the right to charge what they'd like for this product. That's why I opted for an ArmaLaser. Still not cheap, but it serves the same purpose and does a great job.

[@iamHarmoniah]

the edits he did for this video, big thumbs up!! i almost forgot i was watching youtube.. this video seems like it would be on TV.

[@nate9221]

That's because it was on TV

[@silverandblackentertainment]

This video is 6 years old, and it’s better than your new videos 😂 I mean don’t get me wrong, your new videos are dope! But this one here is top notch!! 💥🔥

[@TheChrisConnors]

The best part of your videos is your overdub, the overall style, camera angles shots and bursts of intelligent language. The draw for me to your videos is not the guns, but the content. You could easily do very well with other channels, if you so chose. Very well done and look forward to watching more of your work!

[@magurgle]

This feels like an ad.

[@Jh5kRadio]

This is an ad.

[@MrSanteeclaus]

magurgle all gun videos are ad’s for something related.

[@benjaminhollar7462]

Sold me for sure tho and I ain’t mad lol

[@angfabiani4284]

From the moment you wake up till you go to sleep everything is an ad

[@messoremmortis1256]

​@elljay81cyanide

[@reidejensen4990]

I don't know if this guy is an actor, but he caught my interest, and I enjoyed watching this. And like his situation, I bought a Springfield XD9 and didn't realize it had a rod laser, but I'm not as smooth as this guy to make my findings into a video! Great Job!

[@eurothrasher2823]

I've had two Lasermax guide rod units in both my Glock 17 back 23yrs ago and Glock 30 45ACP. duty weapons. They both worked flawlessly, extremely bright pulsing beam even in the day time with a small stack of batteries which lasted for years while keeping my original holsters....a huge plus ! I just WISH they made one for my SIG and my 1911's.

[@rsallen13]

I have CT lasers on all my pistols. If you have good fundamentals the bullet goes where the dot is. Instead of getting tunnel vision focusing on the front site under stress you can keep both eyes open and be more aware of your situation. It is a tool. It works for me.

[@evphex]

I haven’t checked the channel in a while. The production value is damn fine my friend. Whoever is doing your cinematography needs a raise my man.

[@mikeparker3662]

I own a sig p226 fitted with a guide rod lazer & I love it!!!

[@beards-N-boonies]

This was the first video I watched by Colion Noir. Eventually became a subscriber after watching a few more videos.

[@peaceloveandprosperity1826]

I honestly know little to nothing about guns but love your videos.

[@Sabalishoots]

I consider myself a HUMAN, not a RACE ! But, FINALLY I've found someone in the KZbin gun community that I TRULY can relate too. If you have a pay channel send me a link I'm paying 💪🏿

[@360vlogger3]

So true man....ive always wondered why people continue to use a persons color to identify them. This makes no sense, we are all just human and I wish we would all start acting like it.

[@alexishernandez9548]

Sorry, but your comment sounds like it's about race. There's tons of Gun KZbin channels just like Collins. I can relate too many of them because they share the same passion, they are smart with guns, and they aren't talking about race. Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you man, but when I was reading through the comments yours was the one that made me think about race.

[@halfinvisibleman4937]

@@alexishernandez9548 You think about race 24/7 just like your ancestors

[@halfinvisibleman4937]

🦝🍉

[@alexishernandez9548]

@@halfinvisibleman4937 my ancestors? WTF do you know about my ancestors? Btw I was responding to the comment from the guy that brought up race.

[@raypeterson9062]

I still have mine in my second generation Glock 21 and the batteries are still good I’m starting to think some people just leave them on and then complain about the batteries to get free ones or something I have not encountered a real problem with this ever when it was a new gun purchase with the guide rod already installed I noticed the pistol had barely any rounds through it so when it was new the switch got stuck one time where it would only work on one side after tinkering with it for about five seconds It never did it again these are amazing tools and I love mine I was never really a bull’s-eye shooter anyway with this I get away with murder at the range

[@RyanMiller3039]

You have nothing to lose, just $234.99.

[@marcuscohen2026]

😂

[@Lettersandstuff]

234? Where did you find it that cheap!! Everyone I see is $350 and up!!! No thanks

[@Lettersandstuff]

cravenjooooooooooooo so why even try.. right!! Part of being an American is having the right to defend yourself. No matter how unlikely. Another point, some of us are very well trained and do stand an excellent chance of self defense.. don’t believe the media my friend. Get a firearm, get an instructor and go to the range!! Your views will change, you will be able to defend yourself and your family. Good luck!!!

[@Lettersandstuff]

cravenjooooooooooooo you probably shouldn’t stereotype.. I’ve been a repo man for years and have been in many uncomfortable situations. I have in the past month I kicked a tweaker off my property. Each of these situations I have advised offending parties to comply as necessary. Never brandishing my firearm. Just advising I have one and know how to use it. I don’t live in this bubble you must live in my friend. Regardless, live your life how you want. I just choose to be protected in my life.

[@edwinpringle7342]

erozpl01 as a matter of fact, you need to do your research. The guide rod on the lasermax is stronger and better than the stock spring and a lot of law enforcement officers use, been out for many years so they can't be too bad.

[@TurdFergusson318]

I disagree completely with the internet commandos. In a high stress defensive situation (less than 10 yards) a laser is a very effective tool when gross motor skills will likely break down to some degree. And it's less cumbersome to EDC than a RDS on a typical self defense firearms.

[@aaron4820]

He used the term "gross motor skills" with a straight face while making a point, therefore tag1out, your argument is invalid.

[@TurdFergusson318]

tag1out Really I have 2 RMR’s on full size pistols. While OWB is a breeze. Another thing poking me while concealing is just one more thing jabbing me. I’m just a iron sight old school guy for my edc.

[@TurdFergusson318]

aaron4820 You post makes completely zero sense!

[@brockedandloaded6034]

Yes, because under stress, finding a red dot on your target is so much easier than looking at the sights in your actual hands. When your hands are shaking, you think finding a red dot shaking all over the place is easier than finding iron sights moving just a little bit in your hands? You're crazy. There's. Reason people don't instruct this crap.

[@r.minnis9722]

NtheKnife318 Well said you cant beat them for close qts and fast situations WHICH IS VIRTUALLY ALL SELF DEFENSE SITUATIONS

[@rdean45acp]

love your videos man been watching for years since you started. Happy New Year and stay safe!

[@Wilsonmotors45]

This is the best Laser video I've seen on YT.

[@stevelowry9127]

Guide Rod Laser are the BOMB !!!

[@playdoh1975]

For all you new to the world of carrying a gun every day for personal defense.. be aware that a light or a laser is a double edged sword. It can telegraph your position so only use it intermittently..

[@D1_Tactical]

playdoh1975 it blinks its not like its a steady stream of light

[@playdoh1975]

J Black true that’s the correct way to use it but people new to using these devices may just leave them on and that’s a bad idea that’s all I’m saying..

[@myopinionpal8880]

Only at night and if it's foggy. I have a Crimson Trace green laser that can be used during the day. Being nearly 67 years old I'm not out that much at night.

[@thatfilthygreekkid5923]

In a self defense situation, ur position is already known.

[@johngrunwell]

I took a jump here as I wanted to keep my holster...HA, what a waste. I have a G26 Gen4 and install was easy to say the least. However, over a short period of time I was frustrated to say the least. First, you only have 1 hour of battery life (4 - ganged batteries), and after 30 min of use time you lose brightness that wasn't much to begin with. Second, it is only strobe in the smaller guns. Last, if any contamination occurs on the takedown switch IT FAILS, period. I do say the concept was intriguing, but in application I lost. I would recommend the TLR-6 with a very bright laser and 12 hours of operation. The light with it (my primary reason for this) does give only 1 hour of constant use, but with no breakdown to replace a battery, simple trapdoor. I use both light/laser combo in my use. In larger gun applications, the guide rod might be fine as I read that a mode is selectable, constant or strobe, but life for the laser is still too short for my liking and it's reliability. Good video, buyer beware.

[@danrice9968]

I like the concept...the only question is during a defensive situation am I going to have time too turn it on?

[@gfb46]

Practice makes perfect at the range. I know that isn't the "real" thing but, it never hurts to be prepared.

[@BobC59]

Completely agree - but there is one concern you didn't address - the only one I've had (other than price): Are the guide rods as good.strong as the OEM ones they replace? PS - That black-over-gray pistol on the table by your drink wear is sh-t hot!

[@lnstall_Wizard]

im pretty sure its a sig legion

[@strongocho]

I would hope so, because they cost almost as much as the whole pistol lol.

[@airopmcsmtn]

Bro this video makes you look like you in a puffy video!!! Compared to your videos now!!! Good shit bro I like yo styles! Ha! Best quote ever!! “Where 2 is one and one is none”

[@jerryabney4944]

very good video on the LaserMax Guide Rod Laser,

[@samnixify]

Awesome Video and information.

[@austinm7750]

I like the way u shoot ur videos they’re educational and entertaining to watch. I just found ur channel and I’m going to subscribe

[@perryjohnson1701]

Great shooting tips... still working on the move to curve my shots

[@fthirtyfivemr]

Loved this!!! Thanks Mr. Noir!

[@wrobinson6828]

Smooth delivery 👌 😎

[@darinbermudes6698]

Good shit brah ,intimidation plays a big role but when that laser comes on its gonna be a crime scene.so go with all advantages you can right?

[@jaywinters2483]

Great video! You will find more know-it-all’s when it comes to guns than anything.

[@stahaz1]

Nice production 👍🏻

[@rueda82nd]

Great video bro

[@MOOCH180]

Good video 👍 good point

[@nobodysreview6137]

I like the nice wound spring.

[@001dannyortiz]

Awesome Video

[@MichaelMoore-od4jz]

Another great video thanks

[@DeRob357is2much]

Great comments its good to see a brother talking guns, we as a culture should learn to embrace the gun culture as well my laser max is fantastic.

[@ShotgunGabe]

Shoot tracers with this installed and you’ll have the most sci fi weapon you can get your hands on.

[@AsianMike3171]

i don't really have an opinion on lasers, other than the lasermax replaces the factory recoil spring and guide rod, which IMHO shouldn't be replaced

[@justaguypassingthrough4188]

While I completely agree with you on the laser aspect and how good it is in a defensive situation. I bought a crimson Trace grip laser for my m&p back in the day and I felt like I had a 279 dollar cat toy haha.

[@libertiesbreathe5014]

Dude you should kiss your cinematographer for the shots in this video. They're amazing looking. I especially love the under the glass table looking through with tv feeds going on in the background shot

[@RenjiMaili]

The last time I checked this company out they didn't have any options for IwI Jericho 941 or CZ P07s. So I'm stuck with iron sights but thankfully both guns are spot on.

[@fishlaw1]

Great video as usual, and I agree with you 100% about the " Laser ". . . Thanks for sharing ! ! !

[@darrellbowen1582]

Excellent video as well as information on the lasermax ! Thank you and keep up the great work!

[@thegreenberetlife0191]

I completely agree, good video...

[@seancalifornia510]

thank you for your knowledge. I love all your videos

[@rbivgq1734]

Great video and man it is filmed and edited very well, keep it up I enjoyed your opinion. A laser guide rod is a great tool, like how I like having a hammer and a nail and a driver. There are a multitude of defense scenarios and the guide rod laser allows me to train effectively for a few of them without compromising any space or performance since they use wolff springs, are made well and are impossible to knock out of alignment. I can think of a few where I would want to draw and get a quick acquisition with the laser.

[@thejourneyofmarc]

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[@thejourneyofmarc]

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[@davegeorge9538]

I never thought of using mine during dry fire….good tip

[@chriso9345]

Just put a damn laser/light combo on it. Viridian X5L is one of my all time favorites.

[@joshbeal7565]

I have a couple x5l and I love them.... The only reason you don't hear about them on these KZbin videos and stuff is cuz they are expensive compared to other weapons lights... But in my opinion they are superior

[@ascendantmaster]

Hell yes, Green Lasers ROCK!

[@MrFlyguyyadig]

C5L for me go green! Pew Pew life

[@kuime1]

+1

[@Bisley1]

I have a TLR6 on my G43 and kinda like it. Mostly I got it because it is or was the only light for the gun, but especially on a small gun I do see how a laser could add some intimidation factor to a gun that an idiot criminal may not perceive as threat ing because it’s small. A crimson trace laser grip on a J Frame might have the same effect. But even though I still don’t want or feel the need for a laser on all my pistols, I do enjoy shooting it that way every now and then. If you’re trigger control is good and you don’t pull any shots, it is very fast for rapid fire, as you don’t have to line up any sights. Especially on my rodeo bucking G43

[@crevisb1969]

Love your videos.....subscribed

[@lamwang3683]

This video is lit 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@alejandroloza]

I have a glock 19 5th generation. So, I was wondering what laser is best?

[@incognitoburritto3333]

Love your channel man good editing great vid

[@davidsee4790]

This is a great channel like how you didcribe the guns

[@noncompliant209cali]

If you want a heavier spring this is great for that. It works great in my p80 build, it's an Elite 19 from 80pbuilder. it has lightening cuts on the side and top so the heavier spring with the lighter slide makes the recoil really good

[@shawnfreelove1788]

I just want to know why in this video the laser is blinking like a stob light? Is it just for visual theatrics? By the way love your vids man !

[@harmansmith84]

You have the option to have the laser strobe or a steady beam I believe the reason is something about the strobe makes it easier to acquire a moving target

[@mschrage618]

Might have to get one for my G26

[@RacerXFD]

The points stated are valid. However, it also exposes self in low light situations.

[@mcmneverreadsreplys7318]

I have a Crimson Trace trigger guard 360G. It mounts on the rail and wraps around the trigger guard placing a pressure button on the grip just under the guard. If the 'on/off' switch is on (and it always it when I carry) the laser comes on automatically when the shooter takes a shooting grip. (Note: you can choose to slack the grip of your activating finger and the laser will not come on until you choose.) I changed from sighting my laser at 25 yds to sighting it at 15 yds. My reasons were thus. Years of experience has shown I do not use my laser exclusively in conjunction with my iron sights. Rather I use it (1) in lieu of iron sights for extremely close range 'point shooting' (1 - 6') or (2) at moderate range 'flash sight' shooting (6 - 15') to either replace or reinforce my iron sights according to need. As for sighting: Sighted at 15 yrds the straight laser meets the curved bullet trajectory at 15 yds. (No iron sights involved. Laser on bull's eye = bullet on bull's eye @ 15 yds.) Up to that point the laser is below my bullet's trajectory up to 1.5" decreasing to zero at 15 yds. Beyond that, out to 25 yds the laser hits high, rising to about 1" over the bullet impact point. Beyond 25' the laser still helps keep your vertical aligned (centered mid-line) but any horizontal (high/low) help disappears at about 40 yds. This means that using the laser only, I can quickly calculate to adjust up or down based estimated target distance and still impact within one inch of my laser point. For close shots I am probably not even looking at my iron sights, and if I was the laser is below my aiming line and useless. This would also be true out to 25 yds if my laser was sighted at 25 yds. However, by sighting it at 15 yds the laser becomes visible above my aiming line at all points past 15 yds. Thus giving me the option of what sight, or sight combination) to use. If I want pin-point accuracy I will use my iron sights - tests and experience show this to be more accurate but slightly slower than using the laser. If speed is the focus, tests and experience show my laser gains me fractions of a second (up to 0.5 second - depending on distance) while still giving me a group of 2" or less. ALSO, it should be noted that these same distance adjustments must be made to do pin point shooting with iron sights (Physics 101). Finally, Red vs Green: it is a scientific fact that the color of the green (yellow-green) laser attracts the human eye faster than any other color (period.) - including red. This is why many fire departments began painting engines 'green' rather that red. This is also why I choose a green laser over a red. Although, red still beats no laser - at least in my book. Other advantages are well documented, and clearly personal preference trumps facts 8 out of 10 times. But it must be noted that unless it is being used in a very dusty environment, a gun laser produces a dot, not a beam. considerably faster than red. That is why fire engines switched away from red to 'green', and that is why I advocate green lasers over red - although red beats no laser at all.

[@AUTOGUYDIY]

Took my Glock with laser to the range and I got bad eyes for the iron sights. Laser hits the target each time. Worth every penny. Cuz its better then shooting blind.

[@anthonyspadafora1384]

Exactly how I have always felt. Every time I buy a glock I install a lasermax. It doesnt change anything with the gun but replace the guide rod and spring. Why wouldnt you install one?

[@treroney4720]

This laser awesome and very practical. But why would someone have an rmr and a laser?

[@mrfourtysevenman]

How do you even sight them in do they have adjustments? Like a scope?

[@Tay-ky3fi]

do you own the Tesla? If so you're quickly becoming my favorite youtuber haha!

[@r.minnis9722]

There is a mental effect no doubt it will give the appearance of someone that knows how to use the gun and is prepared for anything.

[@raypeterson9062]

It’s funny I got mine the same way I’ve commented on this before somebody installed it in a perfect condition second generation Glock 21 before I purchased I ended up with the gun for $400 with a $300 guide rod and night sites so I am pretty stoked still even since my last comment which was months ago

[@AmethystRebellion]

Hey Colion Noir, I'd like to apologize for the way I responded when you replied to me asking what the background music was in one of your videos. The excitement overtook me. Hope you have a great 2018.

[@dustinewing7974]

You make some great points. Your gun doesn't have a rail? Don't wanna replace your favorite holster? You want a laser but don't wanna go without your rail-mounted light? Worried about extra weight? Or you just want your pistol to look sexy and minimalistic? BOOM GUIDE ROD LASER.

[@jadams2013]

I do not have this guide rod laser but have pitcanny mount. Use it once and you're hooked. I can draw aquire and fire on target consistently under 1 sec. This looks sweet but I do prefer green... more visible in daylight .... to me anyway.

[@stilllife8]

Laser sights are great if you're in a situation where you need to accurately point shoot or shoot from the hip, but in the majority of situations using your actual sights will be better. Still, nothing to lose if you have a spare $250 laying around. I'd say this is probably a better investment than putting a bunch of slide cuts and a ported barrel in your gun, which people seem to have no problem dropping hundreds of dollars on.

[@MOBROOKS]

Good vid. Good points.

[@jn3750]

Dows it reduce the guns reliability, at all?

[@r.minnis9722]

THE ONLY PPL THAT SAY THESE HAVE NO USE ARE PEOPLE THAT CANT AFFORD THEM OR JUST DONT WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON IT these things are badass and have tons of applications

[@KW-jq5je]

I found that the Laser Max take-down tabs (comes with the laser) stick out too far the on my Glock22 gen3 to fit in the Mini Roni Pistol Brace. They definitely stick out a little further. I put the original parts on the gun and it fit fine. I'll use the laser on my Gen5 Glock22. The laser cannot be used with the Brace btw.

[@theprovidentialdad5260]

I've had a LaserMax LMS-1161 on my Glock 30 since 2001. It's over 17 years old and works well. Not that many rounds over those years though. Yes, strobe is the only mode, no steady. I've only used a couple of battery packs, but they're available on Ebay with the shrink wrap already on them. You could put in a little stack of individual LMS-319 batteries, but it'll be like stacking aspirin tablets. No thanks. Back then, mine was over $400! Having said that, I'm now trying a Crimson Trace LG-629. It's a little brighter, steady with no strobe, zero-able, and comes on when gripping the gun. I'm liking it better considering I found one for $99 on Amazon. Newer LaserMax is 5mW as opposed to mine at 3mW. Crimson Trace is also 5mW laser. Both are removable, of course, if you need to. Each is specifically tailored to only a few models of the Glock line-up. So check that carefully before ordering. Which generation of Glock you have might make a difference. It comes down to how you want the laser to come on. Switch on the take-down, or grip-mounted in the web of your hand. For CCW and security on my property, I'm no going with the latter. Hope that helps everyone.

[@Fallout777]

Happy New Year, I just recently placed a laser for my G-19. My plan was to only use it if something goes bump in the night. I figured waking up half groggy, and having someone trying to break into your house. That the laser/light combo will help me acquire targets a lot easier. Do you use a lasar in doors or do you have another method all together.

[@KittieKatt80]

As someone to helped to teach firearms tactics and training for the military.. add on's fail.. there is no substitute for training and experience... anything that needs batteries etc should ever be relied on.. Spend that $300 on rounds, range time, and a good defensive shooting instructor with a solid back ground (not the guy that promises to make you a modern day ninja with a gun).. you will be far further ahead at the end of the day!!

[@yugisgrandpa2356]

Were you in Dallas? 1:24?

[@wesman7837]

If changing the guide rod is an issue you need a lot of learning to do with maintaining your firearm! These are cool, but I wish they had them for other makes. I'm just not down with paying an extra 2-300$ for the patented G.

[@FahadKhan-nj2bc]

Im planning to buy the it for my glock 17 gen5. Can someone give an honest review, how is the performance of the laser when you actually fire the gun? Specially for someone who uses the gun alot on the range? How is the durability?

[@Tribsu]

How about lasers on lights like Streamlight TLR-2 etc? I guess there's is no harm in having a laser even if it's not guide rod one?

[@BrianCervantes-bg1cm]

You’d need to zero those and also need a special holster for it. This keeps your pistol as if it was stock without taking any attachment space

[@robertmartinez6521]

How much does the clothes in the matrix cost Mr. Colon?

[@bigsteve5446]

I couldn’t agree more Colion... People who think lasers are for beginners? Are the beginners!!! And if your too CHEAP to afford one? Then that’s it... YOUR JUST TOO CHEAP to up the %’s of them being successful with their shots on target! It may just cost them their LIFE!!! Then you can’t say... “it’s too expensive, Because it’s too late!!!”

[@timturner7609]

I got a second hand laser gun not too long ago. I thought id hate it. I just...dont. it even helps light up dark corners when you hear that bump in the night. Not a replacement for a proper light but better than nothing.

[@Killerkeller84]

Do you like this better than the viridian laser?

[@Gimmithat491]

I see you hooping in the foamposites 🌚

[@CanYouBehold]

Hey CN no love for the Arex Rex Zero 1?

[@GHicks-lu5tu]

Great lights no holster compatibility. I own 4

[@raypeterson9062]

I found a very nice treasure the other day a 1993 Glock second generation 21 model with a guide rod laser already installed from the mid 90s it works like a charm I had the same experience as you with this pistol and I feel the same it’s not in the way of anything and it works perfectly probably won’t shoot the gun a ton but it will be my definite home defense option and I feel more confident with the laser the gun does not have night sites I would like to get a TFX I found a very nice treasure the other day a 1993 Glock second generation 21 model with a guide rod laser already installed from the mid 90s it works like a charm I had the same experience as you with this pistol and I feel the same it’s not in the way of anything and it works perfectly probably won’t shoot the gun a ton but it will be my definite home defense option and I feel more confident with the laser the gun does not have night sites But it does have adjustable rear from the factory which is good enough for me the laser is perfect for one thing you really don’t need to use the sites with it and that is it simplicity within 25 yards

[@LacheanApostate]

Ya know what, he's right, might as well. I wonder how much they .. $299?!?!? Nah nevermind.

[@tradeeartillery3816]

I need one of these I have a Glock 21 Gen 2 and it has no rail mount for a laser so this should work huh?

[@krossF]

ehh the problem is using a laser for dry fire, youre practicing looking at the target, not the front sight where your 100% undivided focus should be

[@2aaa809]

superswaglord1945 you can get the itargetpro app then you can focus on your front sight while shooting and check your phone for grouping.

[@SusSpooder]

OR you could use the laser to practice trigger pull then move onto drills with your iron sights.... I didnt know I was over-gripping my handgun and how much wobble that translated to downrange until I fired a handgun with a laser. Its a valuable training tool if used properly.

[@krossF]

tag1out - one of the few times I'll agree with someone in the comments, yes threat focus is an excellent advantage for RDS, but lasers are really not on that level, or anywhere close. Having said that, RDS is not exactly perfect and I see red dots go down either from connection issues, or environment like mud/sand/water getting in that glass/diode area and you're boned because you can't even see your backup sights. not to mention, iron sights still reign supreme as RMR + installation + backup sights cost more than a new pistol. guys I know with RDS still dont trust them enough to EDC over irons, including officers. I dont know of one reputable instructor that uses lasers, or advocates their use, tho.

[@jenkx11]

There is more than one way to skin a cat. Practice both ways, using the laser and using the sights.

[@r.minnis9722]

Your comment perfectly shows youve never used one and dont understand why they are used. Their main purpose is for instantly aquiring their target without having to spend time focusing on your sights. They are made for close quarter and quick situations where you wont have time to peer down a sight for 10 seconds before you shoot.

[@ShawnShipstad]

I always wanted one, the price-about 300.00 has shyed me away. I just bought a Glock 43X- 500.00 plus tax. Included was a Lasermax green guide rod system. a 200 Glock trigger system and Glock upgrades like Mag release and the 15 round 50.00 magazine- nice 1,000.00 package for 500.00- I love the green laser. It being free helped alot.

[@trillsammy223]

I have a Glock 43x as well and I’m currently looking for a laser Any sites you Recommend?