Last Words before the Election | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show

[@GlennLouryShow]

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[@karennorris7880]

Trump acts absolutely obsequieous to Putin, because that’s his line of credit. after 6 bankruptcies American Banks don’t want to do business with him. I strongly suspect Trump helps the Russians launder dirty money through fake LLC’s and Real Estate Purchases which is the only way you can launder large sums of money. You buy with (foreign) cash hold onto a property for six months to a year, and sell it and boom! You have legitimate money.

[@BumpyHumpyDumpy]

I’ve come to the conclusion that many Americans would have openly celebrated Trump’s Assassination. I believe John would deny it, but I believe he would be happy if such a horrific act occurred. The philosophical question of going back in time and “stopping” Hitler as a baby poses two questions - could you go through with it, what if someone else just takes his place. If these people truly believe Trump is a Threat to Democracy and Hitler, then they must believe he should be eliminated. They support Prosecutors running for political office on the premise of prosecuting their political opposition. They cling to convictions without appeals being heard. They bastardize the Rule of Law to corrupt Democracy. As for “cozying up to dictators”, which you nailed as democrat talking point, these people have lost the concept of Diplomacy. Under Obama, Putin took Crimea and sanctioned the use of Chemical Weapons in Syria. Under Biden, Putin invaded Ukraine. Under Trump, Putin didn’t attack or invade anyone. I would argue Obama is largely responsible for the issues of America today. Race relations declined under Obama, He coaxed the media into being what they are today, he mocked Trump and got him passionate. If people want to hate Trump, there is no President Trump without President Obama.

[@arzelleus]

Listening to this after the election is fun.

[@gabemord5088]

And Trump won the popular vote 😂

[@danconnell4723]

I sit here watching this two days after the election. Cant wait for part 2.

[@kmaidotia]

Same here looking forward to part 2

[@lkae4]

@@kmaidotia Y'all might have to wait. I think John moved to Ukraine or Gaza.

[@narwhal7642]

Glenn and John embodying the many friendships, relationships of Americans with vastly different ideas and perspectives.

[@Dailywordsofdiscouragement]

Glenn and John are me and my wife, politically

[@user-pq7jj3vs3e]

@@Dailywordsofdiscouragement can I guess you are on Trump’s side?

[@kans6]

Yuck

[@DaboooogA]

Only a robust friendship like this can withstand such a divisive election.

[@scottmitchell1974]

Hey John: He's CRUSHING the popular vote. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@robertaaugustini4091]

He won the popular vote, sir.

[@Runofthemill77]

Mr. McWorter- with all due respect. Mass deportations of people for reasons that make no sense? Does committing the federal crime of illegal entry make no sense? My relatives have been waiting on visas for years. It’s so insulting to us to hear someone like yourself just completely disregard the act, minimize the impact and ignore the legality of what these people have done and continue to do. Many people want to come to the USA - it’s the greatest Nation in human history. Bring us your tired and weary is not inscribed in our constitution. It’s on a statue and based in an era of incredible expansion that necessitated importation of human capital in mass. These people can in through a port of entry. Mostly Ellis island. We still need good human capital. Trump wants them. He wants them to come legally and we all agree…

[@nancy6487]

Perfectly put! Thank you for the wise, true words. I pray Mr. McWhorter will read your comment, in addition will start reading and listening to different points of views rather than the legacy media. I wonder how does Mr. McCord know that the legacy media has not been censoring every single, inappropriate, rude, incomprehensible, with moral turpitude that Kamala Harris has done. But some people are protected a lot more than other people that’s for sure.

[@melp7614]

Very well stated! ❤

[@deang8017]

Glenn is such a good friend. He knows what is about to happen and is trying to guide John in for a soft landing.

[@richardramsey9352]

I like both these guys. I spent 20 years as an academic urban professor, 20 years as a rural blue collar worker. Two worlds entirely. Only the humble in either category can relate to those outside their bubble.

[@alannamorris977]

I love these men! My intellectual uncles on the other side of the aisle. I respect their reasoning so much. Such a breath of fresh air.

[@nathanngumi8467]

Great episode! Americans, love thy neighbour as thyself whatever the outcome of the election.

[@jvrza373]

🙏

[@BeanMacdui]

Thank for your positive reminder! ❤

[@jem77469]

Thank you for reminding me not to give in to my baser instincts. Sincerely.

[@EdoKwin]

Glad this is dropping today. Always appreciate y'all's commentary, even even I disagree.

[@Nill757]

Always? Why on this topic. McWhorter literally called for Trumps murder.

[@theosalmon]

I pledge to love my neighbor and my family, without regard to whom they vote for, because they're doing their best.

[@SEKreiver]

As long as they reciprocate. Studies show that Democrats are FAR more likely to "Other" their opponents.

[@BeanMacdui]

This message is beautiful! 🕊️❤️💙=🇺🇸

[@bekscha579]

We need millions of people to think just like this. ❤

[@thoeks14]

I took a little break watching these two. John was so sure of himself and I was not expecting that. Glenn is really able to see both sides so well.

[@bekscha579]

I think this was the common attitude and thought process for a majority of democrats.

[@mikelitten7489]

There was a study that shows overwhelmingly conservatives understand the positions of leftists more so than leftists understanding conservatives.

[@robinwatkins8528]

John's intelligence, eloquence, and calm, deliberate speaking style really don't hide his hysterical -- even primal -- reaction to Trump. Glenn has a clearer and more evenhanded analysis of the pros and cons of Orange Man and his supporters.

[@ricardocima]

Or, in other words: "I'm a trumpie,I only like people who like Trump too. I dont like people who dont like my Trump. I'm Robin I have 7 years old".

[@bekscha579]

@@ricardocima I think what Robin says is that she likes John but she doesn’t like what he’s saying. I think what you’re saying is a projection.

[@ricardocima]

@@bekscha579 let me guess......a trumpie?

[@bekscha579]

@@ricardocima I like John and I like civil discourse. And if you’re an American, I’m your fellow citizen. ;)

[@ricardocima]

@@bekscha579 so tell me, where's the hysteria in John?

[@sang7349]

Respect these two still maintaining respect and friendship despite difference in opinions

[@suttonfarms2343]

Viewing people as and treating people as individuals instead of a ‘class’ is not just a winning political strategy, it’s a winning strategy for life.

[@novacancy7253]

Glenn, Sr., you are admirable, I like you the more for your honest fearless honesty

[@tessmoon55]

1000%

[@margaretgreaves7246]

Glenn is like practically every podcaster He has a market to work for This is his gig serving and comforting the Whitev male patriarch He doesn’t do that he does not get paid

[@jonrydquist9246]

Wow. All I can say about John is: “wow”.

[@Carelock]

Dr. McWhorter is so intelligent. I wish he would get out of his bubble.

[@jgalt308]

Isn't that a contradiction?

[@Carelock]

@ I don’t think so. He has an undeniably brilliant mind. All of us are products of our friend, family and work groups. He teaches at Columbia,I doubt he interacts with regular people very often. His bubble just happens to be small and inhabited by one type of person.

[@JessicaSanchez-vu8pe]

He secretly voting for Trump…but because he surrounded by liberal educators and scholars he can’t permit himself to be truthful to himself he’s like… a phony man!

[@cbdp]

That he hasn't already, seems rather unintelligent. I agree that the people around you can make it difficult to step out of these silly ideas, but it is still not intelligent to adhere to them. At the very least, you would think more than once before regurgitating the nonsense.

[@elonmusk439]

@@jgalt308 unfortunately not, if propaganda didn't work on smart people then it wouldn't work at all.

[@rosgill6]

The ascendence of Trump could have not happened if it didn't coincide with the self-destruction of the Democrat party. When scholars of the future are talking about Trump it would be wrong to leave out his withering opposition

[@num3willie]

It's Democratic Party. A person who belongs to the party is a Democrat.

[@robsebesta]

​@@num3williethey may be a party of Democrats, but there is nothing Democratic about how that party chooses its leaders and candidates.

[@nickmasters8474]

@@num3willie Immature perhaps, but I kind of like how Trump explains it (paraphrased): "It's the Democratic party, but I say Democrat party, because it sounds worse."

[@user-pq7jj3vs3e]

@@robsebesta do you recall GOP allowing a primary challenge to Trump in the 2020 election? The primary process has rarely been a democratic. It is only in the 60s 70s we actually started having citizen choose nominee of the party

[@Lobishomem]

@@nickmasters8474 Most everything T says sounds worse or incomprehensible. I guess that’s a big part of his appeal to those who hate the educated.

[@mreynolds1449]

I don't think john understands that many are not voting for Trump, but against the democratic party and what they stand for.

[@sparklerbc9898]

he also doesnt understand that you should vote for the party who agrees with you on the issues, not for the one you feel some weird lifelong fealty towards.

[@shortminute]

You both have helped me find a thoughtful balance. Thanks, I enjoy your conversations.

[@fs5775]

Looking back on the election results now that it's over, turns out that Glenn was on the pulse of what was up in this convo and John's "lack of imagination" did him in, in the end.

[@dwdorris3048]

Damn Glenn. Very well said!

[@LeaRNing2b1]

I was so looking forward from you both speaking on this election with class and intellectualistic thoughts which are always beautiful, like listening to a song! John, I love your cardigans and Glenn, I think all Americans are not sleeping well in the days coming up to today as I can concur that I didnt sleep well last night. I so admire both of you and very much look forward to your discussions and thoughts. I am a student at Rutgers University and your excellence would be welcomed there (both of you!) Let us see how this plays out and act accordingly! Many blessings to both of you as your Universities are so blessed to have you and blessings to your health, hearts, and beautiful minds! Greetings from the tri-state area of NJ, PA, NY! ❤

[@gergsbane]

Looking forward to the post assessment.

[@h.f.faulkner2273]

Glenn is brilliant

[@Maggie-rh8yp]

I have so much respect for you Glenn! You pose your questions so carefully and thoughtfully!

[@haroldnesbitt4960]

The two of you incisively articulate both extremes of our polarized electorate, expressing opposing positions aggressively, face to face, while actually listening to one another. It's astounding! If only your example could be elevated. Thank-you for the hope your dialogue provides. And also, when I listen to you, I don't feel the usual nagging need to balance one biased news source with an equally short-sighted perspective from the other side. Y'all cover the whole terrain, and still stay friendly. Keep it on! ["...sometimes I lack imagination..." McWhorter said when challenged. That's solid gold, and too true of us all!]

[@JH-ji6cj]

Ever watched the All-In show? The J-Cal aspect of his being the Dem supporter, Sachs being a Republican 'supporter' (more Glenn-like), and Chamath and David Freidburg being more legitimately moderate in their opinions. The disagreements unfolding, yet respectfully, definitely reminds me of these 2 friends also disagreeing and describing why...respectfully.

[@Sunsaintsandwaves]

“I’m incapable of imagining it, but sometimes I lack imagination.” Love this genuine honesty/humility

[@lynettepolewka2775]

I love the reasonable viewers and comments for this video❤

[@markloessi5799]

As always, well done Glenn and John.

[@jdg9999]

It's amazing that there are people who think that enforcing American immigration law is somehow "extreme".

[@ninadaly7639]

But you don’t know t cure t immigration law, do you?? And yet you open your mouth.

[@hartyewh1]

It's amazing there are people who think that the lack of enforcing American immigration law is somehow "the problem".

[@ninadaly7639]

@@jdg9999 OK, I’ll bite. What should be done?

[@loremipsum685]

mass deporting a million plus people is very extremely and would be terrible for the economy

[@ProGamer-zm5ow]

@@ninadaly7639 I think he's asking for the law to simply be enforced.

[@caroltosi2518]

What a great discussion!!! These discussions should be watched by everyone on both sides of the aisle! I love hearing the give and take and back and forth.

[@0bennett0]

*chef's kiss* This is a delectable podcast to watch post-election. Looking forward to seeing whether John can overcome his perplexity over the next 4 years or whether he just morphs his TDS into VDS as Vance becomes more prominent.

[@ricardocima]

Well, some os us have moral standars and will never become trumpies. It's ok, life goes on.

[@scottmitchell1974]

​@@ricardocima😂😂😂 Moral standards. That's funny!

[@richardabraham4377]

enjoyable as always, thank you both

[@oceantree5000]

Great discussion, gentlemen. Thanks for the timely early upload.

[@mikelogan3816]

I disagree John I think the smart doctoral candidates have no idea How average working people live And thus they cannot understand The Donald trump phenomenon

[@ninadaly7639]

What’s hard to understand about gaslighting the ignorant?

[@gracechapel2464]

@@ninadaly7639 Do you mean the ignorant everyday average Americans Barack Obama called bitter clingers, or the ones Hillary Clinton called deplorable & irredeemable or possibly the ones Joe Biden called chumps, extreme and garbage? I’m quite sure you’re not referring to the young people Kamala Harris called stupid. Trump insults his opponents or those equally famous/infamous while Democrats punch down and insult his supporters aka VOTERS. After 8 years of double standards, hypocrisy, two-tiered justice and lawfare people had had enough. Many people see Trump as the legacy of Obama's failed presidency. I wish we had better to choose from but we don’t. Do you really think people who see Trump as the lesser of two evils just ignorant?

[@WhatEver-gu9pz]

@@ninadaly7639 Your response perfectly captures the poster's point in an unintentionally ironic way - it's the condescending and elitist assumption that they must be ignorant and swayed via gaslighting. Maybe you need to look in the mirror because often what one accuses others of is merely projection. Oh but I doubt you will because it's easier to find fault with others than consider that perhaps the error is from ignorant assumptions often made by watching the talking heads on tv who live in the same bubble you inhabit.

[@mikelogan3816]

@ninadaly7639 yeah I guess everyone that disagrees with you is ignorant you're one of the liberal Elites No Doubt

[@jdankerdake]

Plenty of average working people vote for Democrats too for a variety of reasons.

[@WhatIsHasValue]

As a man who has identified as a true liberal, I can’t believe that John hasn’t done the work of finding out who is actually in control of the Democratic Party. I wish you guys had reviewed RFKs points highlighted in the Jordan Peterson interview. RFK did a great job of breaking down of the shift in the Dem party and in what ways it has truly become the party of the surveillance state, big pharma and war.

[@859902]

Excellent conversation as always 👍

[@4WheelDaily]

I always enjoy listening to these men. Their views albeit different always find a way to have intelligent conversation, which is a quality today's political landscape attendants have failed to be able to accomplish.

[@janetglovak8744]

I wish all Americans could follow your serious and professional approach to debating this election. Instead of being verbally combative, you intentionally and intellectually discuss your differences! Thank you!

[@12Pearls12]

Thank you..incredibly impressive discussion pro & con which evokes a begone era of healthy discourse..BRAVO ❤❤

[@Stanthemilkman]

I hope you get John back on when he has recovered.

[@jeremywatt3800]

I’m looking forward to your next chat considering the result :) popular vote, over by Wednesday…

[@stevey8481]

So many very smart folks become completely unreasonable when the conversation turns to Trump.

[@theosalmon]

Says both sides.

[@pablolasha238]

I agree. It’s something I have been studying because I know and follow a lot of well informed intelligent people who lack any objectivity when it comes to Trump. I notice that almost all of them become more excitable when criticizing him, cannot fathom how anyone comes to a different point of view (genuinely, usually the analysis is shallow and lacks any insight into why people might pick Trump), all of their critics are in a vacuum and never in context, and they don’t understand hyperbole or humor. . My working theory is that this is caused by exposure to media and Trump’s personality is the catalyst.

[@fs5775]

Have you ever personally dealt with a sociopath? How did you behave?

[@johnyoung1761]

​@pablolasha238 I see it as a worry about losing social status. I've liked John but he strikes me as an example.

[@jgalt308]

@@pablolasha238 Most lack objectivity regarding most things, including reality.

[@kidsmom928]

Glenn feels abt Obama the way John feels abt Trump. Skeptical and cautious. Isn’t that ironic. I do really enjoy the open dialogue, disagreement without being disagreeable. Thank you both.

[@warrenjones1936]

But if they had gone on for another hour? Who knows what might have happened?

[@moontrack4625]

President Obama was a moral, smart human being with no criminal record. President Trump is an immoral, dumb human being with a criminal record. Glenn is getting pulled into the garbage matrix because it makes him feel a certain kind of way.

[@J_h-3ik]

No... Glen's level of contempt for Obama is nowhere near John's for Trump... You can tell Glen doesn't hate Obama as a person but John does Trump

[@Nill757]

WTH? McWhorter called for Trump’s murder on air, did not walk it back. Loury did not call for Obama’s murder, not anyone’s murder.

[@kidsmom928]

@J_h-3ik true

[@THEFIREDLIBRARIAN-iz7po]

In my youth, I was a Democrat, when Democrats meant unions, the poor, the working class, support for the dispossessed. Then, going to college, I became more and more Leftist, definitely in the socialist realm. In recent history, I' m an "independent" who is voting AGAINST what the Democrats have become: everything in Professor McWhorter's "woke" book, for starters. I was fired from my job as a librarian for speaking against "woke" dictate in the library world. Trump is a very flawed character, but the Democratic Party, in general, has become a horrific censorial monster. My voted isn't for Trump. My vote is against the alternative. That shouldn't be hard to understand. Our country is so incredibly divided, many people are voting AGAINST something, an ideology, not FOR a candidate.

[@DoggieFosters]

This is my view as well. Lifelong lefty Indy voting, with ferocity, against the authoritarians and néócóns.

[@DoggieFosters]

KZbin nukes literally 90% of my comments, so I'll just try this: Ditto.

[@nickmasters8474]

Yep, same story here, basically. Voted T and R for the first time in my life, having always voted D since 2004. I'm still a liberal minded person, but I do not like what the left has become in this country. I don't identify as a conservative, and there are plenty of things I dislike about American conservatism (the religiosity, for one). I am a centrist (with classic liberal leanings). I am voting against excess (of the left) more than anything. I could easily see myself voting D in the future, but not as things currently stand.

[@kvmelfkmermv]

Yep, same here! We are largely unacknowledged group! Cheers!

[@williamerdman4888]

I have a similar story but never got to far left - certainly never supported socialism. I would call myself an independent having voted for Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians. But, in my mind, the Democratic party is far off the tracks now that I just can't support them.

[@SpaceMogLuna]

I love your show and conversations. I doubt I fit your normal demographic of listeners, so I think it’s a real plus that your unique talents attract even someone like me. An outsider wanting to listen and learn what both of you have to say. Sincerely, thank you.💖🌠🍿

[@samuelyeates2326]

Just when I was feeling completely burned out on anything election related. Can't wait to listen!

[@fs5775]

Really enjoyed this civil discussion - John's claims and Glenn's pushbacks. Wish all discussion about the topic was this civil.

[@theosalmon]

I'll see you guys in two days. Love to all.

[@MrXperx]

I love both of them. This is such a joy to listen to.

[@DarthQueefious]

What perplexes me is the idea that Trump has flushed the Republican Party down the drain. I grew up with the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Kissinger Republican Parrty and today's party is far more reasonable on war, the border, free speech/censorship. Without Trump we'd also probably be looking at a 4th Bush by now. The pre-Trump GOP is not something to be nostalgic about.

[@DoggieFosters]

The realignment is real.

[@hartyewh1]

But it is. It was a functioning political party that worked on policy and was capable of political discussion and bipartisan action regardless of the foreign policy crimes of those you have listed in particular. The US already wasted four years once on made up problems and the world is not in a position to have it's loudest voice so lost for the next.

[@jrdoran]

So the border crisis and millions who habe been allowed into our country is just a made up problem to you?

[@hw6271]

He flushed reason down the drain. You could hate republican ideals, stances and policies, but at least be assured they were not useful idiots who could be swayed by foreign governments who rent their hotel rooms. All you say about the past republican party is true, the hypocrisy is far more open than ever before. Trump holding a Bible upside down in a photo op while having generals March out there with him after gassing a peaceful protest (not a riot) is a great symbol of the republican party finally exposed for what it was and always has been since Nixon.

[@gandydancer9710]

@@hartyewh1 "It was a functioning political party that worked on policy and was capable of political discussion and bipartisan action..." In other words it was a me-too party that utterly failed to represent its voters' opposition to the Democrats. And you liked that because they rolled over for the likes of you.

[@eighties73]

So good to hear friends who differ have good conversations. That notwithstanding, John still has TDS.

[@digitalwolf7628]

I don't think it takes even a smart historian to figure out John's premise... even a rather stupid historian should be able to figure that one out. The inability to see how bad things are and then want to continue to be burdened by what is... is perplexing at best. With the amount of agitation in the world... China and Taiwan has some very real consequences if China reclaims it. The Brics currency movement and the Countries that have joined can have very real consequences. So having someone talk word salads to these leaders and/or tell them "I'm speaking" isn't really feeling like a good idea. The potential consequences go far beyond what anyone seems to be paying attention to. Bringing up General Milley is interesting. This was a guy that took it on himself to order regional Generals to communicate directly with him and not POTUS because he didn't agree with pulling troops out of Syria. So he created an "internal coup" against the Commander in Chief. This is something he should have been prosecuted for... If you recall a General was sacked by Obama for publicly saying he disagreed with him on policy. In fact Milley making public statements against POTUS or former POTUS violates uniformed code... and he called Trump a Facist even though he orchestrated an internal coup against a sitting President to keep troops in Syria while telling POTUS they were not there. This isn't a great example.

[@charles6724]

As if Trump has no word salad...or are we grading on a curve because of his limited vocabulary??? And then let's talk about his foreign policy chops. Experts say moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem stoked the flames for October 7th. Well done Trump! As for China and the imminent threat posed, Trump lavishes praise on Xi calling him a "brilliant guy" with an "iron fist." Yea what an amazing foreign policy expert Trump is NOT! Do them truths "feel" like a good idea??? Clearly in talking about folks who aren't paying attention, you missed at least one!!

[@annegolden5909]

Dear Glenn, I love your show and have recently read your memoir, which I also loved. I'm writing this post-election. Have you and John considered inviting Victor Davis Hanson to be on your show, to explain why Trump won, and how the Democrats have let so many of us down in the past several years? And how it's not just the "working class" who supported Trump? (Or bigots, or otherwise deplorable people...) Keep up the great work! Sincerely, Anne G. (Dual Citizen, Ohio & Maine)

[@kmaidotia]

@anne I was just thinking about that. The book John says will not be written has already been written by Victor Davis Hanson, he presented the best case for Trump in a recent podcast with a democrat.

[@ricardocima]

You guys seem to think that the fact the majority voted for Trump, makes Trump right or better. What John has to do with the moral decadence of his country? He just have to be sorry for his country, not change his mind because other people are deranged.

[@mathieuguillet4036]

As always, thank you gentlemen!

[@Xoletta]

John caught a bad case of the TDS. Sad to see it happen to such a nice guy.

[@nathanfilbert2649]

You guys are a true delight in my weeks - thank you for being yourselves (mostly, appropriately for sure) with us all

[@Nill757]

McWhorter called for Trumps murder few months ago. True delight?

[@nathanfilbert2649]

@@Nill757 a true delight (for me) that people still discourse (even publicly): freely, disagreeably, friendly, mistakably, ecstatically, fervently, honestly, forgivably, correctively, relationally respectfully, etc. I deeply appreciate that - as I also like discussing with my friends in these ways even if there are significant differences in beliefs, passions, opinions and positions, in love, trust, and open honesty.

[@anthonyhoh5073]

I have so much respect for McWhorter, but feel he is blind/dead wrong on his DJT takes.

[@cablenewsfanatic5634]

Exactly!

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

probably his job depends on it

[@HBFTimmahh]

TDS is real and McWhorter is a SEVERE sufferor.

[@krishanpaul2]

yeah ... i can't not like the guy. but tds is woven into his dna.

[@Lobishomem]

TDS is a Trumpist meme for anyone who doesn’t like Trump. It’s meaningless.

[@wendyolson7110]

I admire them both for talking things through. More of us need to and agree to disagree. Peace.

[@theosalmon]

Let's try a at least to not have a civil war. Talk to and love your neighbor.

[@aravindaprabhu9358]

Good respectful back and forth.

[@novacancy7253]

14:25 John, what? The team that is up there with Trump are nothing like the neocons from either party, nothing like the same, if anything many ppl are voting for Trump because of that team. John, sr., you can see beyond the cnn talking points! I know ow you do.

[@coreyander286]

Trump still wants tax cuts for the rich, Trump still wants to bust unions, Trump still wants to use government censorship and even the military to silence his critics, Trump still wants a war with Iran, and he was in support for the Invasion of Iraq and just pretended not to be later. Trumpism really isn't much different than neoconservatism except in the coat of paint. (And liking tariffs, but the neocons were right about tariffs being horrible.)

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Dick Cheney endorses the Democrats and no longer considers himself a republican. Tulsi, Kennedy, Elon Musk and many other illustrious , kind and decent people have all left the Democrats for the good of the country. That says it all.

[@warrenjones1936]

I am saving this episode.

[@Charlesbentleyart]

It’s striking to me that John still holds these positions despite all your conversations over the years.

[@cdcaleo]

His job and social status depend on holding those positions. To rethink, or change, would be to cast himself outside of his chosen field and social circles.

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

@@cdcaleo Bingooooo!!!!

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

@@cdcaleo It's sad that holding high status in 'educated' circles basically comes down to conforming

[@SageTrader007]

@@cdcaleo Yep.

[@kengeejr]

No it’s not. He’s a clear thinker whose viewpoint is based upon the EVIDENCE. Trump is unfit for office in every way. Only fools say otherwise

[@SnoWhite2420]

Bless you, Glenn. 🙏 Patience of a saint.

[@yeahdude333333333]

I think Glenn’s practice of steel-manning is a fundamentally important part of being an intellectual. However, when it comes to a decision about who should have a certain job, what the candidate actually believes is a more critical question than “what’s the most generous interpretation of what they might believe?”.

[@ProGamer-zm5ow]

So few people are asking what Trump might believe. Instead, we've had 10 years of people telling others what they should believe about Trump. I voted for Trump, and I hope ten more after me voted for him, and ten more after each of them.

[@Jimbo5900]

@@ProGamer-zm5owactually people have tried extensively to ask Trump what he believes. He often gives nonsensical answers like “I have a concept of a plan” or “I have a plan to end the war but I can’t share it right now” or he just goes an incoherent ramble about immigrants and tariffs demonstrating he knows nothing about either of those topics.

[@joannemitchell3149]

@@Jimbo5900 are you saying that Harris has a plan?

[@pablolasha238]

@@Jimbo5900that is simply not true. It’s not even remotely true. I don’t know if you’re lying or misinformed but Trump has laid out his policies many times. It is Harris who has not laid out a plan. Half the things she says she took from Trump. Alright, half is a bit hyperbolic but the point remains. . I am willing to bet you don’t actually consume much non liberal media. If you did you would know for a fact what you’re saying is false.

[@pablolasha238]

@@joannemitchell3149I don’t think he knows what he is talking about.

[@farmbrough]

I enjoyed hearing people talk about the current election sensibly. Thank you.

[@dogtrainerHillary]

John - you, and all the Dems are missing the real issue. As a lifelong former Dem - you have all spent 20 years telling the middle class - “Vote as we say, you’re too ignorant to have your own opinion.” You elitists blew it. The more you demand the masses act like clueless sheep - the more party members you lost.

[@lizroberts8168]

OMG. That’s a crazy intro to watch a week after the election. Wow.

[@lizp5004]

"He's not gonna win the popular vote" Oh John. 😅😅

[@justzaya]

12:45 Thank you, Glenn

[@kristinterkelsen6719]

Will John ever come back and admit he is wrong? I am tempted to bookmark this video and come back 3.5 years from now and watch this again.

[@mdav30]

Never. Because John is totally accurate. We know this already. We had four years of selfish, vicious, lying, and idiotic leadership by this terrible excuse for a man. All we're going to get is four more.

[@jgalt308]

His willful ignorance and failure to grasp why Trump has support is that he doesn't understand the concept of anti-establishment...and the threat it represents. Or maybe he does...and since he IS the establishment and depends upon it... while the majority is turning against him...this is his denial. ( the future of academia doesn't look very bright at the moment, and they are primarily responsible for their own demise.

[@stephenkolenda]

John we still love you

[@bekscha579]

I hope someone (I guess Glenn) checks in on him. In all seriousness. This has been a bad, long seven days for my democrat friends. I might even lose a friend over this stuff. 💔

[@karltbd4682]

“He’s not going to win the electoral vote”. Well that didn’t age well.

[@papie5151]

I look forward to the banter between the two of you. I also pick up a word or two to impress my colleagues.

[@A1Frizz]

I swear John must be listening to The View.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

😂

[@Traderbear]

I’m a life long Democrat who had years of TDR, and I’m proudly casting my vote for Trump. Dems aren’t trying very hard to disguise their far leftist ideas and policies. America votes no against these ideas.

[@blacksteve22]

Considering how your a long term democrat it make sense you could proudly cast your vote for trump. Any long term conservative should be ashamed voting for him he goes against our party ideals

[@niledunn1542]

Curious what these ideas are?

[@frankharvey88]

Sir, not liking Trump is not derangement. If you support him now, fine, I disagree with you but you don’t know me and probably couldn’t care less. But the whole TDS thing is intellectually dishonest.

[@blacksteve22]

@@niledunn1542 family country respect accountability responsibility…respectability politics..Maga have me eyeing conservative democrat status

[@williamerdman4888]

@@frankharvey88 No, no it isn't dishonest. It's a real, observable phenomenon. You can pick it up instantly by the adjectives people use to describe past factual situations.

[@GaryHarrell-z7k]

I volunteer for the conversation to explore John’s perplexity.

[@rodcampbell93]

The first thing to say is that it is hugely impressive that Glen and John can have a passionate and completely authentic debate about Trump, without (apparently and despite some pained expressions) falling out. Diversity of viewpoint in action. Two righteous minds able to listen and now and again even moderate their own views. From the perspective of a centre right European who tries hard to give Trump his dues, in the end my receiver tunes to John's wavelength and I, like him - and conceding Harris'awfulness - am perplexed by how half of America wants four more years of someone (however astonishing a phenomenon) so drunk on the will to power that everything becomes a means to his ends and who is so objectively unfit to meet the basic job requirements. Having said that I recognise there is a disruptive energy here that goes back a long way, even your greatest poet Walt Whitman told us that evil propelled him ( as did reform of evil). Perhaps we need to recognise Trump within! Whatever happens I hope you guys will be along for the ride...

[@helenfeliz3937]

I am surprised at John’s statements…. When Trump was President and he started discussions with North Korean I definitely felt that he did so in order to convince the Leader that North Korea could be as successful as South Korea it changed its behavior and became more like South Korea….. NOT that he was supporting an oppressive leader….

[@helenfeliz3937]

My daughter is Active Duty Army and was serving under Obama, Trump, and Biden and I felt she and ALL Soldiers were at less risk with Trump as the Commander and Chief than Obama or Biden.

[@wherenextcolumbus666]

Let's be honest, what Democrats call "cozying up to dictators" when Trump does it, they call "diplomacy" when a Democrat does it .

[@jessetheskeptic601]

Example please.

[@FactCheckerGuy]

@@jessetheskeptic601 Let me give you several: 1. Obama and Hillary's "reset" button they gave to Putin, essentially blaming their own country (GW Bush) for a deterioration in US-Russia relations. 2. The JCPOA, which was designed to allow the Iranians to build nuclear weapons without economic sanctions in exchange for giving the Obama Administration a fig leaf to claim to have slowed their program. 3. Bill Clinton's treaties with N Korea, which paid the Norks to temporarily pretend to stop their nuclear program. Of course, they never stopped, they never intended to stop. 4. Biden's admission that a "small" Russian incursion to Ukraine would be ok, or at least nothing to respond forcefully to. 5. Obama's completely cowardly response to Putin's 2014 invasion of Ukraine. If Obama had actually responded strongly to this invasion, the Russians would have withdrawn and certainly not invaded again in 2022.

[@jakehutchison5761]

​@@jessetheskeptic601 How about the Billions Dems have given to Iran you see the issue that caused. While Trump had the Abraham Accords. As far as Russia Putin didn't invade anybody while Trump was in office but did under both Obama and Biden. That work?

[@Lobishomem]

BS

[@jakehutchison5761]

@@jessetheskeptic601 Russia invading under Obama and Biden but not Trump work?

[@theosalmon]

Just voted amongst the most polite large group of people ever. Peace in our nation.

[@tomambrosio5527]

Incredible discussion by two very intelligent men, even if I disagree with john

[@warrenjones1936]

I liked this episode. I even saved it, but where is their AFTER the election show? What's taking so long? (11/11/24)

[@warrenjones1936]

I'm still waiting. (11/12/24)

[@jacqquelinetackaberry5450]

This is REALLY rich as I watch 3 days later 😁

[@blacktara123]

Glenn shouldve pushed back more when John said he couldnt think of a single positive way in which Trump's influence on the GOP and American politics has been positive. It is a positive for us the people that we now realize just how biased the mainstream media is, and how much, how deeply, and how pervasively they and the Dem party lie to our faces. That realization can never be undone, and in the end, it will prove to be positive for our nation

[@tmbam7821]

I thought similar, but considered, perhaps they’re both prioritizing the relationship over disagreement.

[@blacktara123]

@@tmbam7821 if you watch their sessions you know they are both pretty good about being able to vehenently and passionately disagree but maintain the friendship .

[@Capt.Tony00]

The problem is that John still believes the mainstream media narrative about Trump.

[@robertbarr6954]

John u r batty man , love ya

[@cannaclaus1506]

Glenn is the Goat. You are alright too John.

[@gandydancer9710]

It's an acronym, capitalize it. John is not remotely close to being a GOAT at anything.

[@56Spookdog]

I was all ready to write something profound bitching about John’s thoughts and opinions and then you completely blow me away with the best part of the show… 2 1/2 Men!

[@tommylynch1080]

I LOVE listening to you two. The intellectual honesty is usually spot on! In this particular conversation I feel like Glenn is having to draw John out of his TDS cage - which is disappointing.

[@sarabetz]

Cozying up to dictators haven't you ever heard study and get to know your enemies. Remember General patton. Come on

[@matthewvanderveer8812]

Not only that but isn’t it always better to have friends than to have enemies? Since when is having a good relationship with past adversaries a bad thing?

[@ninadaly7639]

You are joking, right?

[@JonKean]

High school graduates can explain what happened. How'd the popular vote go?

[@sabinesfamily]

We're all waiting, somewhat impatiently, for the next episode. I can only imagine Dr. Loury's struggles with his family and friends being devastated by the election results. I'm not the only person who has serious concerns about Trump but also felt a little relief, but not much, that Harris lost. I want Glenn's input!

[@niledunn1542]

God forbid things were to actually get bad in America. I used to believe that Americans were resilient now I know we are spoiled and unworthy of the grace the creator has shown us.

[@TransRoofKorean]

37:45 I wish I knew what other things Glenn listed that were removed at the jump-cut there.