Elation & Sorrow Over Trump Win | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show

[@GlennLouryShow]

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[@ricardocima]

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[@tombergins8215]

Is this an act or is McWhorter truly this mentally delusional?

[@tombergins8215]

Trump is the rebirth of Abraham Lincoln if not possibly th Messiah himself. If he rescues the USA & Israel then Trump is the Messiah.

[@hex5106]

I love it when they disagree like this. These discussions are a national treasure, especially for a young person like myself. Thank you Dr. Loury and Dr. McWhorter for providing us with rigorous, sober analysis.

[@shannonswift2233]

Same here! In my 20s and love to hear them speak! I’ve voted for Bernie, Biden and now Trump

[@markosf09]

Agreed. These guys are great 👍

[@mikeotoole1889]

...and it shows that two guys can profoundly disagree and still be friends.

[@markosf09]

​@@mikeotoole1889 And that's a lesson more people should learn.

[@markosf09]

I was actually hoping Trump would get these guys onto his cabinet. Victor Davis Hanson, too

[@nicowest]

My jaw hit the floor when John said that Kamala Harris was clear about her message and what she was going to do and that she said it over and over. She said a lot of things over and over and none of them were clear or concise about anything.

[@LukeEnglund-qy4mv]

This is like that meme “The Dress”. I feel the exact same way as you do, but I see Trump as the rambling incoherent mess. We’re looking at the same thing but see it in completely different ways.

[@badgoogle9938]

@@LukeEnglund-qy4mv Neither were clear in their messaging but the voters wanted something different

[@Alamand1]

Kamala had policies she did repeat but the media was more focused on being canidate stress testers than just repeating facts. She spoke for mortgage assistance for house buyers (remember how much people say how hard it is to afford a home nowadays?), she spoke for tax credits for new parents, price gouging bans, increasing corporate tax, making a middle class tax much more beneficial, continued support for stricter immigration policy, etc etc. But no one knows this because center and left wing media will only focus on scrutinizing what they aren't satisfied with and obviously right wing media won't paint her in a positive light.

[@aendoh]

@@Alamand1 Sorry, but those were all broken ideas or lies.

[@freddieoblivion6122]

she spoke in anti-white incantations

[@darrengagliardi1540]

Glenn is so correct! He states it so well. John disappointed me on this one - his view of trump voters is a terrible caricature. I’m a middle aged lawyer and father, not some 14 year old angry child . . . And I’ve had it with an arrogant dem party foisting bad ideas and morals on us all and then castigating anyone who dare question them. My views are boringly center of the road and common sense oriented, yet I’ve been made to feel like I’m a right wing lunatic when I find it unwise to politicize institutions and undercut traditional values. I’m shouted down if I try to explain that not all issues are simple binaries - either you support the full left wing agenda, or you’re a bigot. Enough is enough - let’s get back to common sense living rather than making every daily matter yet another volley in a revolutionary political war.

[@marydiggins9294]

❤🇺🇸❤️

[@treeforged9097]

Trump is the most arrogant person to ever live. Trump does not have traditional morals and he does not promote them either. If you are getting our morals from politicians of any kind then that is your own personal failure. This is not black and white, it is precisely because I believe in traditional values that I could not support Trump.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@darrengagliardi1540 But then again, you are a lawyer aren’t you. Everything is relative, right?

[@jmgeorgie4496]

JOHN You Are DELUSIONAL!!! THANK YOU Glenn for Standing With TRUTH!!!

[@Doing_Time]

The TDS is strong with this one.

[@BBWilly05]

Allow me to display the qualities and characteristics that caused my side to loose the election. Nice work John.

[@Grateful092]

Best comment

[@Jeff-tt7wj]

Lmao

[@El_Colion]

Lol

[@doomnotron]

😂

[@shmuelrosenthal6661]

Please stay healthy, both of you. We need these for the next 4 years!!

[@dongrinolds140]

I think John is the one not paying attention to what has been happening in America. He's the one out of touch.

[@bobidstein9107]

So the guy hawking 100K watches and promises to put Tarrifs on all imports is going to fix inflation?😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Indeed but think about who he surrounds himself with, College kids. Coastal liberals. Black racists and racialists. How can he possibly think any differently?

[@bobidstein9107]

@realMaverickBuckley Great response from a Trumpanzee existing in the echo chamber of the right wing.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@realMaverickBuckley and atheists

[@mnkat9797]

The attitude of Mr. McWhorter is shocking! That snarky, superior attitude is what made the democrat party, a projecting, hypocritical, and irrelavant laughingstock on the world stage! Thanks Mr. Loury for your gracious responses.

[@bobidstein9107]

You drank the Kool-aid 😂😂😂😂 How many BuyBulls, gold sneakers, NFTS, MAGGOT merchant made in CHYNA and Cheeto-Christ coins did you buy?

[@MMARavid]

Very true

[@bobidstein9107]

@MMARavid Mr "I alone can fix it"isn projecting superiority 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bobidstein9107]

@@mnkat9797 The UN literally laughed out loud at Cheeto-Christ 😜😜😜😜 Projecting 101

[@realMaverickBuckley]

He's sadly becoming the Clown here. I used to have such respect for him. 😢

[@jamescameron8539]

The gold standard of how to fundamentally disagree but maintain respect and charitable interpretation of each other's views. Simply unparalleled as an example of how to communicate. Many thanks Glenn and John.

[@bkilg2509]

Love them

[@freddieoblivion6122]

Denial - not just a river in Egypt.

[@jgalt308]

Or in John's case "De Nile" to avoid being accused of cultural appropriation.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Truelib99Hobbes]

MAGA is an easily digestible message that resonates across classes, races and sexes. It has a surprisingly wide spectrum of meanings to each group.

[@ninadaly7639]

Too bad it’s based on lies, huh?

[@cyberft]

@@ninadaly7639 what lie?

[@scottmitchell1974]

​@@ninadaly7639Name them. Name one.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@cyberft LOLol. Seriously?

[@cyberft]

@@ninadaly7639 yes, what lies. Just describe one for us.

[@JaruWalks]

I cannot relate to John’s Trump derangement syndrome. But I honestly think it makes for a better conversation. And I really appreciate the civility with which they are able to disagree.

[@justathumb]

the gaslighting on this subject is staggering. "Trump's not deranged, you are!!" ...ok? what, for observing the heinous track record of a convicted felon? he's a proven pathological liar. you might be okay with all of that, but at least own it, instead of accusing others of having character deficits.

[@wtwn]

He's actually not a convicted felon, watch your misinformation there buddy.

[@TheNas45]

@@justathumbThank you, immensely

[@pmacgilli]

@@wtwn He was convicted of a felony. I just thought maybe you'd get it if I said the words in a different order. No need to thank me.

[@marcuse9030]

@@justathumb You can think Trump is a liar and cheat without having Trump Derangement Syndrome. The TDS only kicks in when your dislike of him is so strong that in convinces you to think that people like Kamala Harris are a better option only because they aren't Trump.

[@mattwoods4206]

You two gentlemen are a breath of fresh air. Just to hear two adults have a good faith conversation with well done banter!

[@lovenote1047]

It is hard for us to see how much in touch with politics John is, and still has the view he has.

[@ninadaly7639]

You will. Give it time. It had t even begun yet.

[@scottmitchell1974]

Is he in touch, though? With the conclusions he draws, I'm not so sure.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@scottmitchell1974 I guess we will all see, won’t we?

[@JohnSwihart]

Hey John, my one issue was the campus protesters at your university. Kamala never really said anything either, so I couldn't trust her.

[@oceania2385]

Good point, or the non student leaders/organizers

[@praise650]

I've been checking my notifications on here and Spotify for an entire week for this video!! Thank you gentlemen for a much needed balanced dialogue. I always appreciate your conversations - I never comment - but had to say thank you this time.

[@michaelroberts7770]

Balanced? Clearly one of these men has lost his balance.. I leave up you to decide who I refer too...

[@icntsywhtiwnt2]

What antimaga doesn't get is how depressing the country has become under the politically correct left. How viewing things through the lens of equity and global warming has destroyed hope for the competent and hardworking American. They don't understand how demoralizing racial politics is for everyone involved. How strangled and out of reach prosperity feels.

[@Ffhjjkkkbdssrthb]

Yeah well global warming is a reality and it isn't going away, it's only going to get worse, it won't respond to your feelings.

[@treeforged9097]

The sad thing is that Trump does not understand any of that either. Trump does not understand what feminism or DEI is. Which why in his first term he did nothing to address it and he won't do anything in his 2nd term either.

[@icntsywhtiwnt2]

I've watched his policy plan videos. He's gotten educated about what needs doing on those fronts. He just put someone DEI critical in charge of the DoE and Defense. Most everyone around him now is anti-DEI and anti-woke. He's stronger now on all that because of the relationships he's built. I have some hope for this term.

[@faturechi]

When John talks about religious people needing to suspend their logic in order to belong to a community, I think he is describing why he has TDS.

[@siggyincr7447]

The funny thing is that John himself wrote a book, Woke Racism, showing how the woke ideology is in essence just like a religion.

[@kans6]

Oh course John clearly doesn’t understand a truth based religion having been indoctrinated into Dawkins irrationality pretending to be intellectualism…. But make no mistake atheism is John’s faith… how do I know this? because John believes in & has faith in the doctrines of atheism

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@faturechi: 💯

[@siggyincr7447]

He even wrote a book about exactly how "progressive" ideology is essential a religious belief set. (I'm curious if this reply will show up as I wrote one and it's disappeared.)

[@nir7830]

g-d bless these two - who can have a friendly respectful loving conversation about politics across the chasm that rips all the rest of us apart - a role model for all of us ❤

[@kans6]

I find it disrespectful to those who have long supported Glen

[@shamsam4]

Im glad you can go at each other with respect.

[@RBGHfam]

I love you both, you have a great show. If Netflix or someone was smart they would throw your show up there and call it the odd couple podcast. Now for my critique of Johns comments. “If you vote for Trump it doesn’t mean you’re a racist, it just means you rank racism lower than you rank other things.” -John didn’t Kamala say she was going to pass legislation based on race? “However I think she had her message out very clearly for what she wanted to do for working class people, she said it over and over again” -John she went on the View and was asked what she would do differently than Biden (30 something approval rating at the time )and said she couldn’t think of anything, after running to his extreme left 4 years before that. That’s a clear message? “His views consist of, honestly someone who thinks he’s playing a game of risk rather than dealing with the real world” -John, Biden just gave Ukraine the go ahead to launch US rockets into Russia, who has the most nuclear weapons on earth. “As for this deep state business, this deep state that doesn’t exist” -John, Russiagate was a lie, 50 former intelligence officers said it had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation was a lie, the fbi had the laptop at that point, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction was a lie, the nsa isn’t spying on US citizens was a lie -we’re winning the war in Afghanistan was a lie, Illegal immigration is blown out of proportion was a lie, Russia blew up their own pipeline, I could go one for awhile but won’t… “There’s people that don’t like me and I’m going to get em” -John, your party tried impeaching him over russiagate which was a completely made up story, then did impeach him over a public phone call to Ukraine where there was no prid pro qou, and after he lost an election for January 6th riots (without pointing to what he said exactly that caused it.), not to mention all the other BS cases. This isn’t going after your political enemy??? -And the one case that might have a little meat on the bone in Georgia they screwed the pooch on by giving it to some idiot more concerned with getting her boy toy a job to help pay for her lavish lifestyle.

[@kjellbjrnasmo480]

Would love for John to address this

[@sdrc92126]

Rome had a deep state, why not the US? That is what the founders of of the constitution were most worried about

[@jonwalter6317]

John suffers from TDS, not nearly as much as some, but he's got a serious case of it.

[@sdrc92126]

@@jonwalter6317 🤐😷

[@matthewstephen2988]

"People who pride themselves on their 'complexity' and deride others for being 'simplistic' should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth." John, you are the literal embodiment of what the colonial people of this land collectively rejected in the 18th century. Your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, intuitions, and philosophy. All of it. For better or for worse, to hell with the visions of the anointed.

[@rdf256]

That quote is a phenomenal description of the "midwit meme." Of course, the only folks who require an explanation of the meme are those in the middle of the curve. 😀

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@rdf256Haha! How ironic! Learn to write English properly before considering yourself in any way educated!

[@ninadaly7639]

You just made the case for “simplistic”.

[@chuckmowry5951]

The good news is that we can count on 'everyone' on John's team to continue down this road. We need a good 3-4 terms to fix things. Invincible arrogance.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@chuckmowry: They trust each other enough that they can be honest

[@rorycalhoun4431]

@chuckmowry5951 you expect the administration that inherited an economy in great shape and proceeded to run it in to the sh*tter to fix things this time? Tiger doesn't change its stripes, expect more of the same, which means an economy ill prepared to deal with tough times, and more inflation.

[@Kennyaj123]

The victory lap for Glenn was hilarious and compelling. Another great conversation gentlemen - thank you both.

[@kenhaze5230]

I like how raucous this conversation is already. One way or another, whether Trump is feast or famine for you, his comeback is a wake-up call.

[@crackcrock]

"hes terrible at business" to even create one gigantic tower that is profitable and employs people is not a failure... the largest company in the world was bailed out before it recovered. This is the attitude WE ALL resent you act like someone can't have failures and be a success but only people who fail are the biggest successors.

[@williambarry8015]

Ain't too many people (if given a stack of cash)could get a skyscraper built in Manhattan on time and on budget.

[@Forester-]

There's a weird thing where people have mutually exclusive criticisms of Trump. He's stupid but also an evil mastermind. He's broke but also rich from corruption. He's a bad businessman but also can't relate to the average person because he's an elite billionaire businessman.

[@terranceware4627]

Let’s not forget the several bankruptcies, 1500 business related lawsuits, court findings, and loan defaults - no he is not a good businessman

[@nathanmcdowell4731]

@@terranceware4627how come the ones who claim Trump is not a successful businessman all seem to have a net worth that he spends frivolously on any given day? @ninadaly7639 ​​⁠Also, chapter 11 bankruptcies are not the same as chapter 7 or 13 bankruptcies. Chapter 11’s are not for personal wealth, are expensive, and only serve to delay repayment of debt so the business that files it can make payment plans in order to avoid closing. Trump personally guaranteed repayment in three of the six bankruptcies, meaning he would have had his personal assets seized if he were to default on the payment arrangement. Anyone who brings the bankruptcies up in regards to Trump just show their ignorance on the subject. For instance, Walt Disney filed for bankruptcy in 1923. The argument that he wasn’t a successful businessman would be a dubious proposition at best.

[@ninadaly7639]

So declaring bankruptcy 6 times is successful?

[@gwfbagel3811]

Very well stated reality-check Glenn.

[@LegacyCapitals]

I really appreciate the both of you and greatly respect both of you!

[@mattj65816]

11:05 is McWhorter fantasizing about something bad happening to sweep his team back into power. This, along with lack of counterbalance from an 85% compliant media and educational system, is strong rationale for voting against that particular machine, even if McWhorter refuses to see it because his entire sense of his own goodness is wrapped up in his party affiliation. And, in general, I *like* the guy..

[@WhatEver-gu9pz]

I know. It's sad what TDS can do. I have to say that the cure to TDS is to have some humility. You would have thought that it would cure at least some people and yet they just don't like humble pie it seems. I expect this is how Rome fell or how the French Revolution occurred - too many people in high up places out of touch with the plebs.

[@jainjain1258]

There you go again John if only we had paid more attention Then we would have agreed with you. Wrong Again.

[@I321Oo]

Yes it's actually his and other's lack of education. Being spoonfed 'news' by corporate media was the opposite of being informed this cycle.

[@ninadaly7639]

If you’d had the slightest clue about any of the issues, you would have agreed with him.

[@I321Oo]

​@@ninadaly7639 Actually, it's the opposite, but we understand how pervasive & conditioning corporate legacy media has been.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@I321Oo I’m sure you have. You’ve listened to enough of it, I’m sure.

[@I321Oo]

​@@ninadaly7639 QUITE enough.

[@MANDING0]

John sounds like an out of touch elite. He's so condescending.

[@Truelib99Hobbes]

The look on John's face is priceless. It's a mix of ncredulity, shock, and befuddlement. John is a little boy lashing out.

[@faturechi]

His TDS bewilders me.

[@marcuse9030]

@@faturechi Completely agree. I understand disliking and being skeptical of Trump, but not to the point where you convince yourself that Kamala Harris is great.

[@robertambrosini4442]

I would rather hear John's view of the failures of the Harris campaign. This is childish nonsense.

[@I321Oo]

It's easier to just assume the rest of the populous is 'dumb', apparently.

[@swayne1441]

​@@I321Ooit's true people who voted for Trump are very clearly not smart at least a majority of them. There's 0 room for doubt there.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@I321Oo It can be hard for very intelligent people not to think that those who disagree woth them may just be dumb. Fortunately our Founding Fathers had intelligence of a higher order: they believed in the wisdom of a wide spectrum of intelligence, good fortune, bad fortune, character, social skills, etc.

[@janet3146]

This is such a great example of people who disagree, can talk it out, agree to disagree, but still respect each other after. We need more of this or in 4 years the same thing will happen again.

[@jgalt308]

and ending up nowhere...A.K.A. a waste of time.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@jgalt308 Not a waste for those of us who haven’t given up on people who are important to us- but who have been brainwashed to hate.

[@miller2762]

I may not be a smart man but I know what a woman is, I know what legal immigration looks like, I know what medical overreach looks and feels like, I know what legal overreach looks like, I know what higher grocery bills look like, I know what irresponsible spending looks like, I know what competence looks like and I know what an empty/fake incompetent candidate looks like.

[@scottmitchell1974]

This! 1000x this!

[@griff3683]

John is the very definition of Trump Derangement Syndrome. This man is logical and reasonable on every front. One every issue... But once Trump enters the picture, ALL OF HIS LOGIC goes out the window.

[@ninadaly7639]

Or yours does!

[@scottmitchell1974]

​@@ninadaly7639Get back to us in four years! 😂😂😂

[@ninadaly7639]

@ Count on it, if it even takes that long.

[@jonathanspencer4834]

​John needs to do better than "Trump is an idiot" . Thats pure TDS . Otherwise John has alot to offer .

[@10.6.12.]

What the hell happened to John Mcwhorter? The Times???

[@jgalt308]

' Go together like a horse and carriage"

[@WhatEver-gu9pz]

Happened? I think he's been like this the entire time. Normally his TDS isn't on full display since Trump wasn't in power since 2021 and I think he expected Kamala would win.

[@M-vs7nx]

I am a huge fan of this program and of the works of both Glenn Loury and John McWhorter. I'm not necessarily surprised that McWhorter is something of a never-Trumper, but I am very surprised that he seems so comfortable with modern Democrat orthodoxy. I am a Latina married to an Asian-American man. After voting for Hillary and Biden previously, we voted for Trump for the first time, as did my sister and her Jewish husband. This would have been unimaginable to us even two years ago. But all four of us became so disillusioned by the repressive illiberalism of the woke echo chamber. For us, the last straw was watching our ivy league alma mater descend into antisemitic insanity.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

Thank you Glenn

[@dennisdose5697]

6:59 Sooooo, "stand up comedian" is John's new ad hominem for Trump. Well, it's better than the endless ape metaphors. 7:56 and a total ad hominem attack on MAGA.

[@br1900s]

I feel like all Americans should hear this conversation. True patriots who respectfully don't see eye to eye.

[@networth9151]

4:16 John sounds like Kamala Harris when she said "I would not change a thing."

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Or calling Biden a racist old man before he employed her 😂

[@richardtardo5170]

Dr. McWhorter is such an elitist he is almost a caricature.

[@JoelR2010]

After listening to Johns delusion, I now understand the dysfunction at our universities. These days, a Walgreens receipt is about as valuable as a college degree.

[@michaelroberts7770]

More valuable in fact.. You can return a Crappy TV with reciept... The befuddements uiniversities sell these days are unreturnable.....

[@sks77845]

I wish John had been a little more willing to learn over these past 4 years.

[@electedandchosen]

I enthusiastically agree with you Glenn!

[@snowbunny783]

John: “if he fails it might teach the populous to be a little more careful on who you vote for and listen a little more carefully on what they say they’re going to do.” Also John: “the democrats did nothing wrong in the last 4 years.” More than 1/2 the country voted for Trump BECAUSE 70% of the country was unhappy with the direction the country was going. The hypocrisy of democrats never ceases to amaze and John’s demeaning language is hitting a fever pitch in this episode.

[@scipdiddly]

You use quotation marks like Trump lies...

[@treeforged9097]

Not true, he got 49% of the vote and not everyone voted. The way republicans make up numbers and do no research on the things they speak about never ceases to amaze me.

[@QuesoGr7]

If you're starving and decide to eat poop with sprinkles on it instead of plain bread just because it looks more appealing, you don't deserve to be seen as anything but irrational.

[@WildFungus]

McWhorter's got the brain worms but god bless him for being able to have a civil, if disagreeable, conversation with a friend about it. This is somewhat reassuring we can heal.

[@deang8017]

I have been quivering with anticipation for this one after watching all the clips this week.

[@TheOtherCola]

I really enjoy your conversations! Thanks for being an excellent example for people on how to talk about what they disagree on.

[@brandonjohnson1257]

I pay attention, and that's EXACTLY why I voted for Trump. John made his peace with it by assuming people are stupid or didn't pay attention enough to come to his conclusion. He hasn't accepted or understood anything yet. The narcissism is still strong.

[@mdgprogrammer]

🤡

[@pablolasha238]

I do t think it’s narcissism, I think there has been a huge political shift and traditional establishment democrats have refused or are unable to see it. Reminds me of that gold/blue dress.

[@ninadaly7639]

But your stupidity is stronger?

[@brandonjohnson1257]

@pablolasha238 Fair enough, I don't really understand that word well enough to be using it like that, to be honest, haha. I'm not a doctor, but there definitely seems to be some level of delusion. I just have a lot of cautious optimism and agree almost fully with what Glenn says.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@brandonjohnson1257 And if one were to ask you to articulate and explain with any degree of depth, what it is that John has failed to accept and understand, you’d have no problem with that? Will the real narcissist please stand up!!

[@bobdeslob8768]

25:30 CITE literally any example of “racism” by Trump. As a professor you should know to bring evidence. Instead you just keep repeating it until people believe it is true.

[@Dietcheesey]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump. That wasn’t hard now was it?

[@bobdeslob8768]

That’s almost entirely opinion or misrepresentation. It even has the “fine people” hoax in it.

[@pablolasha238]

@@DietcheeseyWho is more racist? The guy who pulled record number of minority votes for his party, including 1/4 black men, almost 50% of Latinos? Or the people who patronize minority voters when they don’t vote the way democrats want them to and explain that they are race traitors or sell outs. Keep that up and you can expect to hemorrhage more minority votes in the next election.

[@scottmitchell1974]

​​@@DietcheeseyHoly crap! People are STILL using the long-debunked "fine people" as "evidenc?"

[@MindyoDam-buzinez]

Since when was Wikipedia a reliable source?

[@markjames3861]

I’ve listened to this show for several years now and have not realized what a snob John is.

[@WhatEver-gu9pz]

That's his most off-putting characteristic. Interestingly enough, almost all snobs have Trump Derangement Syndrome and John is one of its victims.

[@treeforged9097]

Thats because he is not. You are just going along with the heard and insulting him in the same way that you heard 2 dozen people before you insult him.

[@markjames3861]

@@treeforged9097

[@markjames3861]

I commented after watching the vidio and before reading any other comments. So you are incorrect. You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine. Enjoy the next 4 years.

[@lynnpetti3817]

I like this conversation because it gives me some insight into John’s perspective. It’s not at all rational but a bit enlightening in that he really believes it. Glen you are profoundly patient. Thank you both.

[@KK_183]

Why do you think his perspective isn't rational?

[@RMJTOOLS]

What I really want to ask John is how does he feel about the Forever War Machine? He seems to be ok with how economic issues hurt regular people, he’s ok with the unfettered mindless illegal immigration. Trump is the only major politician in my lifetime to question the stupid wars. Also, Trump is not a Stand Up Comedian. He’s a builder and a TV star. Endlessly harping on the comedian part insulting at best.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

Very impressive they are keeping their friendship going. Gives me hope, as so many of my “relationships” have been shot to hell. Maybe it’s not just a human thing that I can’t do anything about.

[@RandallVoorhees]

A conflict of visions argued by public intellectuals. Somewhere Thomas Sowell is smiling.

[@your_neko]

It seems, respectful disagreement is insufficient for having a productive conversation. Both sides presented their opinions, for sure. But unless this leads to a synthesis of different perspectives, a culturally homogenous environment will be more productive. I wouldn't call this kind of conversation "respectful". John clearly does not respect Glenn's intelligence enough to consider deeply engaging with his opinions. That's a politeness at best.

[@Elisacr1]

Many of us have someone like John McWhorter in our lives and we have to have Thanksgiving dinner and Christmas dinner with them. This podcast is an object lesson by Glenn on how to respond to them without losing your temper.

[@MauriceClingempeel]

if being an idiot was an advantage for running for high office we would have a Kamala president

[@jgalt308]

But we got Biden????

[@kardra9714]

Love you guys! Still waiting for you the "An Evening with Glenn and John" announcement. Preferably including dates in Ireland!

[@blaisetzu]

John looks flabbergasted.

[@slider292]

Many of us are.

[@nomnomyam9379]

@@slider292 that's how clueless you guys are.

[@realMaverickBuckley]

​@@slider292Why? Everyone that isn't a snooty coastal elite or a derpy College kid saw the absolute mess Biden/Harris made of the country and how much people are fed up with the woke crap and the endless smearing of people who aren't far Leftists. The constant labelling people as racist or sexist. Even Harris called Biden a racist old man. THEN he emoyed her as VP!! 😂People were FED UP. It was obvious it would be a landslide. Even the betting odds were heavily in favour if the Trump/ Vance/ Gabbard/ Kennedy/ Musk campaign.

[@Traderbear]

Bewitched, bothered and bewildered 😊

[@coffeeman_andrew]

Get him Glen!

[@namaste303]

Could not agree with Glen more on this. I believe there is a political realignment in the Republican Party and it drives the democrats mad.

[@TheTerryE]

This episode is really. I really admire Mr. McWhorter, one of the most brilliant intellectuals of our time, but he reminds me of a saying I hear on campus often "if you look down your nose at people long enough, eventually they punch you in the nose."

[@WhatEver-gu9pz]

Oh I do love that saying! Never heard it before.

[@Toracube]

Considering where he was, where he was so tied up in the courts it hampered his campaign, had them trying to take his business from him, attacked constantly by the weight of the media, fake rape sexual assault charges, let alone had two recent assignation attempts his win was quite an astonishing achievement.

[@sylvanbear7125]

John is an example of an intelligent, well-meaning man who just can't carefully examine his pre-conceptions.

[@gregkirk1842]

I.e. he is deranged by Trump

[@slider292]

Right, because you don't agree with him, it's John hasn't done his due diligence.

[@sylvanbear7125]

@@slider292 ...or because he won't meet Glenn's counter examples or doesn't apply the same degree of criticism to Kamala and the Democrats as he does to Trump, not to mention that he dismisses the notion of the pernicious influence of the deep state.

[@nomnomyam9379]

@@slider292 McWhorter has no idea he's repeating media lies. for example, he still calls DJT convicted felon. which is a lie. NY CPL 330.30(1): 'The order of judgment does not issue until the sentence is given.' Jury decides verdict; conviction happens after the sentencing, which hasn't happened. and a bookeeping misdemeanor isn't a felony. this is besides the fact that all 4 lawsuits are bogus lawfare. it's not about disagreeing with John, he just completely gets it wrong and just repeats media lies.

[@horseluv7315]

He let TDS get the better of him. And it's sad.

[@dennisdose5697]

12:34 "of what?" Perhaps a return to safety, prosperity, and a legal system that is not a wing of the Democrat party, John? 14:41 "infrastructure" , John? The hyper inefficient, and ineffective, spending that increased inflation while accomplishing very little.

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Sneers 'He wasnt an idiot, i mean .. *he was no professor* but he wasnt stupid.' Sums up Johns true colors.

[@YT2024Hayward]

Guys! Be nice to each other please! Don’t break up over politics! Seriously! I love you both!💛💛💛

[@w4rg3rm]

Been waiting for this discussion.

[@laurettarivers8054]

To imply people who voted for Trump were not paying attention is a bit condescending. Trust it is the rot in DC that got me to vote for Trump.

[@rwlaws]

Great show. Thank you both.

[@herodotus7]

Trump voter here... love you John. America is going to be great and thanks to people like you. Let's go! Fight! Fight! Fight!

[@ZeroC00L_]

Great show boys!

[@StaticSilence1]

Wow. super disappointing to see John's take be so off the mark.

[@alleycat27]

I agree with both of you

[@JereKrischel]

John is a good man who is going through a tough time with his deeply held priors on Trump. One day, he might find himself on the other side.

[@Kevin-qz4eq]

agree, it looks a lot like prejudice

[@kevincorrigan7893]

Glenn is 100% correct here. Democrats lost partly because they think like John on the issue of Trump and MAGA.

[@slider292]

Just because John/Dems lost doesn't mean they're wrong.

[@marwynthemasterful6369]

@@slider292If you just control the border and stop transitioning kids, you’d win every time.

[@freddieoblivion6122]

True - my question is "is it organic? or artificial?"... I'm not sure the country would have been so anti-Trump if the media didn't decide to run that gamut.

[@jgalt308]

It seems that the "progressives" are rooting for the destruction of the country and they almost got it.

[@bayblues5623]

Great conversation from the two sides.. If only this was the norm!

[@pablolasha238]

The value of any analysis is it’s predictive power. Many people believe they are politically literate yet it’s clear their ability to make accurate predictions is highly curtailed by their blind spots.

[@thomasjpuleo8112]

Come on John. You are more sophisticated than this. You can understand why Trump won and why people feel good about it, or at least feel excited by it. Glenn said it perfectly. I get you don’t like it but you can certainly understand it.

[@kevinoleary2271]

I have nothing but total respect for you John but you don’t see or hear us. MAGA is way deeper than you are able to see. Trump is a prick that will govern the country mostly how we want at least he will try. With Trump you get the entire Dream Team and the issues they will work on not 1 of which was even identified as a problem by your side of the political divide.

[@robinthrush9672]

I voted Trump _because_ I've been paying more attention than the average person. Was is one of the worst candidates ever on a major ticket and she was the third VERY bad candidate the Democrats (my party officially) put forth in a row. She relied entirely on celebrity, avoiding having her own positions, and sowing division, Even her attempts to get the support of people the Dems have pushed away over the past decade came off as mockery and satirical stereotyping. And that's ignoring her past evils as an A.G.

[@comment3711]

John, I’m a 90s liberal independent who voted for Trump. A large part of my turn rightwards was the condescending attitude of the Dems. It’s an attitude you are holding right now.

[@ricardocima]

So it's personal resentment above country. Ok.

[@slider292]

So, you basically vote out of spite, and wanted to give the proverbial middle finger. You sound like a reasonable, well-adjusted adult.

[@comment3711]

@@slider292 No. I see that the attitude of ‘I am better than you and I know what’s best for you so we won’t even discuss it’ is not good for the country. Shutting down discussion is a major barrier to social cohesion, innovation and progress as a nation.

[@comment3711]

@@ricardocima That attitude led to the censorship of ideas, which is a violation of our First Amendment rights. Do you think that’s good for the country?

[@ricardocima]

@@comment3711 example, please.

[@Drew399]

John has made the human mistake of outsourcing his intelligence (aka trust) and has allowed himself to habitually react with the same talking points of criticizing the mailman vs discussing with his fellow countrymen the actual mail (ideas). Be very cautious of this, it may sound good with his vocabulary but the ideas are never discussed, it’s only critiquing a human which is an imperfect vessel.

[@seaslob2820]

There is something deeply wrong with John.

[@WhatEver-gu9pz]

TDS.

[@seaslob2820]

@@WhatEver-gu9pz Bingo. He needs help

[@raygartargaryen5927]

I would like to see John McWhorter go on some of these conservative podcasts for dialogue and discussion. It’s utterly amazing to see someone who values the work and intelligence of Richard Dawkins but can’t understand why Trump winning Election Day was a win for America. And a reprieve.

[@davethebrahman9870]

McWhorter often sounds exactly like a ‘news reader’ at CNN. His outrage sounds performative. Trump has many faults, but to call him ‘racist’ is ludicrous. McWhorter is simply parroting the mindless shibboleths of his class; one would expect more of him.

[@pablolasha238]

It was great hearing about the Dawkin’s interviews. Also healthy to hear about something non sequitur to US politics.

[@Laevetainne]

Can John explain what an “Opportunity Economy” even is?

[@jgalt308]

That which produces an equal result.

[@Urbanmystic123]

No criticism...the Dems are eating each other alive over this

[@lowtechbd]

Timestamp 17:39+ - 21:02. Thank you.

[@jameszebell3845]

Glenn wins!

[@LLlap]

It's so nice hearing you guys disagree respectfully. We need more calm polite disagreements.

[@kjellbjrnasmo480]

John has great , even amazing takes 99% of the time.... this is one of the 1%....

[@737smartin]

It's difficult to come to terms with the notion that a large part of your social values and identity are rejected by those outside of your bubble... and that there are more countrymen outaide of your bubble than insude. At least Glen and John's relationship (and/or common economic goals) allowed John to absorb this confrontation with no apparent malice. Glen was hard on him. I was worried.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@737smartin Not me. This is like a morslity play for me - can it be done? If will teach us something important either way.

[@paulmoulton7248]

John is right in that the economy and immigration were the big factors. If you have interest in the future, then Trump was the obvious choice. If you only care about your own surroundings and the near term, the Harris would have been a viable choice. And MAGA is far more sophisticated that John thinks. I figured it out in 2016, 8 years later John is still wrapped in the elitist bubble.