Destiny Dives Into The Most PAINFUL Debate Ever

Last night on Destiny ft. Aella
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[@Scorch052]

This woman is a great example of people who think "debating" is just finding some excuse to disagree with someone every time the other person opens their mouth.

[@vegbeg9170]

I hate that so much. Thank you for articulating it.

[@imfelty]

Yeah, this is most people. Thanks for finding a way to articulate my Pain.

[@user-kz6sg3mz5h]

Are you the same guy I've seen on like two other videos leaving this exact same comment?

[@bambamsixteen]

Cmon don’t talk about Destiny like that

[@eigna8914]

Like most fake debaters. They think their opinions are facts now.

[@oliverg.1537]

Meghan: "Maybe I'd trust you in like 10 years-" Aella: *"Sure, that's not what I **_FUCKING_** asked."* The calmest people are the funniest when they get tilted I swear 😂

[@soulbro55]

timestamp?

[@gordbert]

@@soulbro55 1:24:58

[@soulbro55]

@@gordbert tnx

[@epaulmoney100]

@@soulbro55 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊cgp😊😊😊v😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@darrensucksatgames]

Facts.

[@SoftChroma]

Aella: “why is it bad?” Meghan: “I just feel like it’s bad” 😵‍💫

[@SoftChroma]

Ok Meghan is getting so passive aggressive toward Aella. Aella’s personal experience is different than what is expected for every woman, and Meghan discredits all her research. It’s very condescending. and insulting to say Aella doesn’t know her own feelings. From what I’ve seen she is way more in tune with her own mind and body than most people. Maybe this comes down to the open mindedness trait.

[@doktormabuse4794]

And she sounds bored out of her mind.

[@SoftChroma]

@@doktormabuse4794 I thought it was an accent. It was annoying but I was trying to not make it into a personal attack 😅

[@DudokX]

lol Destiny holding his emotions back to give answers to the dumbest chat questions is so good

[@razzle_dazzle]

I think I've worked out why Meghan came across as so insufferable (and why she caused Aella to almost lose her cool at the end). It's that she's so fundamentally incurious - about the possibility that she might be wrong, about whether she has good reasons for her beliefs, and about other ways of viewing the world than her own. In short, she's the perfect combination of smug and wrong that triggers Destiny so much.

[@ThinWhiteLuke]

So she’s the female Sneako.

[@ThinWhiteLuke]

Btw, women like her deserve the Andrew Tates of the world.

[@hamiltonau]

Facs

[@fifiadan]

How much does Destiny entertain the fact he could be wrong when he debates the vaccine, transing the youth and other things he defends?

[@Mrraerae]

@@fifiadan He does entertain the idea that he's wrong, but that doesn't mean being a fucking idiot who never makes up their mind. I don't know what "transing the youth" means but at least when it comes to the vaccine, the evidence is fucking massive and obvious at this point that the vaccines are safe and pretty effective

[@johngamer-bp3pc]

aella's patience was outstanding

[@oliverg.1537]

Meghan: "I care about how things *are,* not how we *want them to be"* Also Meghan: "Yeah... I really don't care about your data..."

[@6Churches]

Meghan has some serious ethical issues she needs to clarify about sampling bias and direct gaslighting of others. If I said what Meghan has said here, to someone who was a research participant for me - I could be called before my university for ethics violation and abuse.

[@onepartyroule]

Unless your worldview entails you believing that morality can/should be entirely predicated on _data_ (a view that no intelligent, sane person holds) there's no reason to take issue with that statement.

[@oliverg.1537]

@@onepartyroule whatever moral system you use, you'll find it works better when it takes into consideration our empirical reality (which we understand best using data).

[@onepartyroule]

@@oliverg.1537 You talk of "data" as if it's revelation of an infallible god. When it comes to the kinds of complex social phenomena referenced in this video, you can't begin to account for all the variables necessary to determine it's harm. What can be helpful is attempting to isolate very discreet processes under controlled conditions. Unfortunately, people with vested interests will use it to draw broad, unjustifiable conclusions and weild it as weapons in fruitless online data wars. If you know from the experience of living life that there is a qualitative harm or good in an activity that is compelling enough that you conclude that the activity is morally wrong or right, data (such as it is available at any given time) is irrelevant to that moral judgement. If you believe the activity can be curtailed or encouraged in people, and you care about people, it is reasonable that you would advocate for your position in some way. This game of data top trumps, and attitude of _whip out a study or it doesn't count,_ is irrational.

[@devalapar7878]

If Aella talked negatively about prostitution, she wouldn't lose her job. She works for herself and not a company.

[@angelofheaven199]

🤣 Her entire brand is pretty girl likes the same perverted things as men

[@ammarfd1361]

if a fitness trainer is trying to convince you that fitness training is a really good job wouldn’t you take that with a grain of salt since you know that he is talking about his job?

[@devalapar7878]

@@ammarfd1361 You are saying that she has an incentive to lie. But her work isn't enough or I am too stupid to recognize the incentive. If she tells the truth, what are the consequences for her?

[@devalapar7878]

@@ammarfd1361 The fitness trainer wants to sell you fitness. People who buy her service don't really care about the morality or her trauma.

[@angelofheaven199]

@@devalapar7878 Her whole brand is the prostitute who thinks like a man in order to appeal to libertarian needs & coomers, her brand is her livihood

[@michaelh13]

This was probably the single most painful debate I’ve ever seen. 10/10

[@TheLumberjack1987]

child's play compared to anything with Haz in it

[@SeruraRenge11]

Calling it a debate is very charitable.

[@johnflory3306]

@TheLumberjack1987 this is the right answer

[@j4ywalker927]

**insert James Franco: "First time?" meme**

[@carefulilickwindows6881]

@@TheLumberjack1987 Idk, Vaush debating that professor where vaush said "water isn't H20, it's aqua" was extremely painful.

[@HostileTakeover555]

Whatever you personally feel about it, outlawing it will only backfire. The underground markets will become more powerful and it will become more dangerous

[@bruce3242]

And than you'll have the Al Capone of porn 😂

[@bobberry1463]

That logic is true for legit anything. Guns, cars, bubble gum, chocolate, ice cream. If you ban something it going to end up in the black market. Thst is true for even action banning rape and murder cause it to show up on the black market. Should we allow rape so the underground marketer won't become more powerful and more dangerous?

[@ddandymann]

@Exaggeratedblk In the US? Yes absolutely if we're talking about a general ban rather than banning specific weapons. Gun bans can work in nations with no gun culture, however in the US where there are 2 guns per person and a huge gun culture it would never work.

[@KeyKeyJournals]

@Exaggeratedblk yes, I think should be regulated like gun control. When I was a kid there were no public sites. And before it was on the internet it was videos, not so easily accessible to children, and not in the palm of your hand. It’s too easy.

[@Shin_Akumi]

In australia the guns got restricted, u can still own a rifle, but the rules in place make it better for farmers. The reason it worked here is because we have smaller popualtion so u get less leftoids and rightoids, people are more in the middle on politics, so that allows for an actual discussion to be had if everyone is pretty reasonable. So Australia had a vote, and a lot sold their guns at the buy back option. Plus we dont have the same wildlife even, our killers are snakes and spiders and a few large birds, kangaroos are a pest, but you are not in any danger from one unless it wants to box ur head in lol So we dont need guns in most Australians case. Plus we are also younger as a nation, we haven't gone fully set in our ways, we are still creating our identity. I think with usa, once they kicked england out, i think usa went from being a settlers spot to actually becoming a bit of a fighting force, pride a lil is to blame for modern gun enthusiasm which i think stems back to that moment. Its like how gun owners always talk about 2nd amendment, knowing full well the guns at the time took a good minute to reload lol its not single fire musket pistols anymore. I think its self control, just because u can do something, doesn't mean u should lol one gun per person over 18 is probably ok. But when 40% of the country owns 100% the firearms, there is a greed thing at play. But to counter that, most legal gun owners have a licence and have done the written test etc and practice gun safety, its usually their kids or whatever that gets experimental. Most deaths from parents caused by kids are gun related. And most deaths in usa are from illegal guns. Thailand has firing squads etc for their criminals, after u see it a few times, ur prob deterred from crime. Maybe usa needs harsher penalties for illegal possesion of guns. To deter wannabe gangsters, eff around and find out type of thing. Because every stray bullet that hits a school, is claseed as a school shooting even thou there could have been 2 gangs fighting in the neighbourhood, legal gun owners get tarred with the same brush. So it would be to ur benefit to see the illgal gun possessors to suffer harsher penalties. They are like bad faith actors in a way, if a certain political movement wants to disarm america, pay some gangsters to run amok. Many think the christchurch massacre in new zealand was a staged event to disarm new zealand, odd timing with covid not far off at the time. And the whole 2nd amendment is to protect the 1st amendment, us and new zealand had pretty heavy covid lockdowns. We are disarmed. So u dont want to be at the whim of ur dictator governments.

[@emeryboehnke4259]

She can't even accept Aellas interpretations of her own statements. What a waste of time.

[@TurtleChad1]

A turtle approves of this PAINFUL debate

[@MasonJulianGregory]

🐢

[@marchielli]

:HUH:

[@reelhead4229]

Dog?

[@shizzlepecks]

Thank you Turtle 🙏 🤲

[@Shannxy]

But the question is, did you make it to the water?

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

24:50 Listen lady, it's not my fault EVERY porno has "stepsister" in the title. It's not like the actor's parents are actually married.

[@Ematched]

And all of it is step-sister, step-brother. It’s just a new version of girl next door porn.

[@_eggers]

If the world worked the way she imagines I’d be the king of 3 ways

[@erebus1743]

Listening to such a sexually charged conversation while watching Factorio gameplay is such a strange contrast

[@DudokX]

Destiny's chatters really need to read about embodied cognition. Brain is not an island. Everything you do changes the brain. The fact that you remember doing something is evidence that the event changed your "brain chemistry" it's literally how the memory is encoded.

[@Jrez]

Andrew Huberman is dope (pun intended, I guess)

[@ghdsdsdfgh]

let not const

[@Taireyn]

@@Jrez one of my favorite podcasts, I'd probably recommend him to anyone in a heartbeat

[@paulogaspar8295]

yes because everything you feel, think and do is a product of chemistry. I can literally force your mind to work in a different way if i change it's chemical/electrical balance.

[@paulogaspar8295]

@Boris Cuduco Completely agree. people have been trying to find some genetic code that explains gay/bi people and have found nothing. We also know that people seem to change sexual preferences based on what they are exposed to or trauma. We have seen hetero men go to prison and engaging in intercourse with each other, something that they would never have done previously. This shows me that sexuality may be more based on environment and what you are exposed to than people wanna admit. there could still be some genetic basis for your sexuality, but based on the fact that people can change types of sexual acts and what makes them horny with age, environment, trauma, etc... it seems that sexuality has a big component that can be modified.

[@Ekitchi0]

I don’t know about porn but there have been a lot of studies on violence and videogames. Turns out violent people tend to like violent games but violent games don’t make people more violent. On the contrary, people tend to act out less when they got to do the violence in a video game. I would imagine this effect to be way way more pronounced because after getting off you’ll cool down for a while. One argument against porn is that men will not make the efforts to go out and meet women if they get off from porn regularly. But the same question comes up, is the tendency not to go out cause the porn usage or does the porn usage cause the lack of motivation? This woman is incapable of any rational thinking anyways m it’s all about her feelings.

[@kietey14]

This was a great listen. She exist in her own echo chamber expecting others to follow. It's insane. Aella is explaining to her she's done the research, the largest in the world, and her response is "I read this vice article, but I didn't actually read the research. So I know... And you surveyed porn watchers about their porn watching habbits?" Insane.

[@bestdjaf7499]

Meghan is a sex-negative feminist. She has been doing this for years. She has a confirmation bias & wouldn't change her mind regardless of the evidence. And all the sex related research is extremely politicized & unreliable. Especially when you rely on self reporting online. Btw, Men/Women are almost equally aggressive. There is a difference how men & women express aggression. Women for example prefer emotional abuse & you wouldn't even know it until it's too late. Also Antisocial behaviour is specific to men, & BPD behavior is pretty much exclusive to women. People have hard time spotting disorders in Women. Like with Amber Heard. You might think she is lovely lady, but in reality she is a psycho. But we can easily identify aggression in males & often erroneously attributing some male behaviors to aggression. If a dude raises his voice or slams a door, we consider it aggressive behaviour, while a similar behavior in women would be considered a sign of frustration. Like Jonny Depp is violent & aggressive, & Amber Heard is just a little frustrated innocent woman.

[@ammarfd1361]

calling a twitter pole a "research" is insane

[@justaamateur6533]

​@@ammarfd1361 It's still better than Meghan's nothing burger of an argument. A twitter pole is miles better than Meghan going: "Data? You know people lie right?", "Talking to people with different views? No thanks"

[@theodor320]

It always strikes me how nobody use the interchangeability of the anti-porn, anti-violent movies and anti-shooting games debates. It's more or less the same arguments and there are plenty of studies to be cited.

[@Torjen]

@@allisons6910 I think they meant the idea that fantasy depictions of condemnable actions in the real world should not be allowed because they allegedly encourage people who consume that media to recreate it in the real world.

[@jacklemahem]

exchange violent movies with actual footage of shootings and violent videos and then maybe theres a comparison

[@finngodness]

​@@jacklemahemso is fake porn okay? Or porn games? Is it just the irl porn that makes this effect?

[@mrfel4851]

everyone should be forced through a seminar on what per capita means jesus how do like 90% of people on this stream we are looking at not understnad that

[@NoBoDY.England]

We are poorly educated or thick! I'm the latter! 😁

[@Winasaurus]

It's almost unbelievable, really. The worst is when people WILL use per capita for half their argument, then forget it exists when it comes to the rebuttals. Like they'll gladly push something like guns per capita but then not be willing to understand the deaths to guns per capita because having a big number outright is more rhetorically effective than some number per 100,000.

[@plexxarbiitch]

It’s annoying how people can go into an industry like porn, and then call it getting taken advantage of and they can’t escape. There are sooooo many jobs where that shit is impossible, why not work one of those jobs if you can’t handle it

[@LoneWulf278]

Meghan is an ideologue. There’s no hope for her to consider the possibility that she might be wrong. 😂

[@joon3035]

so meghan, are these "women in the industry that youve talked to" in the room with us right now?

[@JustCallMeCeles]

LOL

[@williamlawson7852]

I made it 20 minutes. Aella is the least interesting orbiter I’ve seen so far.

[@note4note804]

How can enjoying media possibly make you want to do something in real life? I've watched lots of Destiny videos and yet I've never once wanted to actively go out and find mentally disabled people to argue against.

[@lisao6928]

Watching Disney is not the same as watching a sex act. There are much different chemicals released in the brain and body during sexual arousal. It shouldn't take a genius to realize that.

[@Edo_Hashirama]

@@lisao6928 I don't know how you jumped to that, but you do you lisa

[@finngodness]

​@@lisao6928sure. Doesn't that happen when i see any kind of sexual anything ever? Not unique to porn. Also how does this prove the "wanting to do something" ?

[@Sutherus]

37:24 I thought he was breaking into song there and finally giving us the Destiny Musical episode for a second

[@Stardust_Lily]

lmao I can't unhear it now 😂

[@1es782]

I lost

[@SeruraRenge11]

Ok now I hear it, in the tune of Modern Major General.

[@98herique]

"I would never agree to this conversation" Said destiny a few weeks before agreeing to this conversation.

[@badams2190]

Men are bad at hip movements and technical movements. Why are all the best skateboarders and snowboarders male then? The "pump" that's used to get up half pipes is almost all in the hips. Skateboarding tricks are never about brute strength, they are very technical precise movements.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

If women were less afraid of busting their teeth out grinding a handrail I'm sure they'd have better representation.

[@tkthe1218]

Pumping comes a lot more from the knees and just weight distribution but not disagreeing completely as a skater it's definitely more technical than "traditional male sports".

[@addie1080]

the researcher did so well keeping it together during this!

[@MisterKarmatic]

Meghan was insufferable. She couldn't accept a single piece of evidence that Aella brought up. Aella has been a great addition to your community, I would've lost it 5 minutes into this debate.

[@LightSpinAngler]

This destiny guy’s convos with himself are starting to kinda creep me out.

[@nixon4731]

*destiny thinks about not being able to coom* MOST PAINFUL debate ever

[@cloudoftime]

Destiny is still offering the same bad take. Sample size is absolutely important. Just look up the scholarly articles on the importance of sample size. Are other factors important as well, like controlling for sampling biases? Yes. Obviously. But that doesn't mean sample size is not also important.

[@brandoloudly9457]

lady on the bottom is so smug and insufferable. love aella tho. she'd be perfect if she showered

[@damnitjim1767]

I hate the stereotype that people who were abused as children inevitably grow up to be abusers. Usually, they seek out a relationship that replicates their childhood and a lot of them end up getting killed by their partners or dying young from the stress.

[@frostdracohardstyle]

It's not just a stereotype, it's a statistical reality. If you have a problem with that, you need to be honest. The majority of abusers were themselves abused. That doesn't mean that all people who are abused grow up to be abusers. So you arent even listing the "stereotype" as its actually used.

[@brianmeen2158]

It’s not a stereotype though. Many child abusers have been been abused themselves as children. Go look at the data - many pedophiles were sexually molested when young.

[@TophinatorStreams]

Wow, I’m kind of angry with Aella for not pushing back on Megan’s wildly exaggerated claims. Her best trump-card is “Everyone lies, so I’m right.” This is ridiculous.

[@feldwebeljackrum6272]

In the end the real interesting part was the moderator, basically interviewing Aella(?). I learned a lot.

[@anthonyshoop575]

That is Benjamin Boyce. He is a very good creator that leans right while maintaining his integrity. Check out his documentary about the events that happened at Evergreen with Brett Weinstein…the most in depth and thought provoking coverage of woke/sjw/crt degrading higher education.

[@pistolen87]

Regarding incest porn. First of all, most popular incest porn is between step parents or siblings, so the biological factor isn't there. Second, most people don't pick porn based on the story, they just pick a woman they think is pretty and skip ahead to the sex part. I don't think you can conclude that people watch incest porn because they have a fantasy of having sex with a relative.

[@ThaPinkGuy]

I think that's a lot to do with the fact it is illegal to make incest porn but step-relatives are a grey area. Most websites want to comply with the laws of most countries. Having actual incest is a sure-fire way to get your website blocked.

[@DeadpoolX9]

*cough also cheap and easy to “script”

[@vegbeg9170]

I hate how I have to cringe through incest titles to find porn these days

[@tubblestop414]

@@ThaPinkGuy Making incest illegal is like making homosexuality's illegal. It's nobodies business.

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

The reason for it always being step-relative is the same as the reason for why some titles say not relative. You can't directly state that it's incest. Also sure, most people probably don't care for the incest part and just watch to see a hot girl get fucked, but if there wasn't a big demand specifically for the incest stuff, nobody would bother to make the incest plots.

[@theodoresmith3353]

World’s foremost anti-porn researcher: “I think…”

[@ladyvanda]

😂 at the chatter who tells Destiny that “real studies have computational models to find the useful information about aggregate data (…)” 48:46 I get so triggered when someone throws a few big words to sound authoritative - so many people fall for it. I’m a computational statistician and my job is to design scientific computer experiments for uncertainty quantification and information maximization. iow, I do what the chatter says “real studies” do. 😅Yet I know exactly what would happen if a psychologist contacted me to design their studies. They would conduct their study, work on it for months or years, write nice papers about it, grind and burn a bunch of grad students, submit the draft to a dozen journals… and would get a very quick, hard REJECTED from every publication. You can’t get this type of computational model published in these fields. Some really famous academics might get one published in a low-tier journal as some novel exploratory analysis method. Psychology (and most social sciences) still rely on classical statistics for publication. Most journals demand p-values, with p < 0.05. There are a few young academics pushing for a change, but we are nowhere near this change. A large number of older academics can’t even interpret regular statistics, let alone highly sophisticated high dimensional simulators. As a test, ask scientists you know the very simple questions: “what is a p-value?” and “what is a confidence interval?”. Then compare their answer with a definition in any Stats 101 textbook. Hours of fun (very few if So, to the chatter, no, “real studies” do not use computational models. lmao.

[@HRRRRRDRRRRR]

Have any good books I can read?

[@tuddious2442]

@9:47 I always took it as if you watch a lot of porn you will be exposed to more categories and thus finding something you may be into they you even know you were into before

[@opctpos.]

Working as a receptionist in a legal brothel proved to me that prostitution is anything but a normal job By Jacqueline Gwynne The media glamorises prostitution and presents the illusion that it’s sexually liberating for women, and sex industry lobbyists claim that it’s just regular work. For a long time I accepted this without question. I was a receptionist in a legal brothel in Melbourne, Australia, for two years and I’d say things like: these women choose to do this work; the men are nice guys; it’s a just a job; it’s no different from doing massage; and it’s a lot better than flipping burgers in a hot, greasy kitchen. This was my survival instinct speaking and this is how women in the industry make it through the night. You tell yourself it’s OK and think of the money. It’s what you do to make the best of a bad situation, and to stop feeling too awful about yourself. In fact there’s nothing normal or empowering about prostitution. But I wasn’t able to say that until I’d been out of the industry for two whole years. At the time I was doing an art degree and was convinced that “sex work” was an exciting and legitimate career for women. So much so that I wanted to make a graphic novel about the industry. I commissioned stories from women on the inside and created illustrations for “The Honey Pot,” as I decided to call the book. But my plans didn’t fall into place. I gave the graphic novel a red hot go but it just didn’t feel right. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t make this life seem like it was an empowering choice for women and eventually the penny dropped. I began to see that it’s dark, seedy, and dangerous. Even sitting on the reception desk in an up-market legal brothel was awful. I hate to imagine what it must be like for women in the illegal brothels; those who are forced, underage, can’t speak English, and literally have no choice. So let me explain what it’s really like in a legal brothel and you can decide for yourself whether it truly is a normal job. 1. Lack of experience is an advantage A young woman can literally walk into a legal brothel in Melbourne and begin work immediately. There are no background checks, and no references, qualifications or training is required. All you need is ID that looks reasonably legitimate. The management didn’t care if it was fake and anyway, there was no means of checking. The women were supposed to be at least 18 but it is easy to get fake ID off the internet. A few years after I stopped working in the brothel, it was busted for having a 14 year old girl doing a shift. The younger and more vulnerable and less experience you have, the more money you make. Any brothel receptionist will tell you that the most common question punters ask is how old is the youngest girl. And they always want the new girls. They like them as young as possible because they are easier to manipulate into doing things they don’t actually want to do. Punters also want the women to look like girls and they’d complain that they were too old, even though the oldest was only about 25. 2. Porn playing in every room There was hard-core porn playing in every room, including the reception area, and you couldn’t escape it. Men would ask me what the women did. It was clear they wanted what they saw in pornography and I knew what that was because I was forced to watch it every shift. Porn never has condoms, there’ll be three men ejaculating on a woman’s face, verbal abuse, anal sex, choking, hair pulling, slapping - and this is ordinary mainstream porn. The proliferation of internet porn has placed demands on women to engage in sexual practices that hardly existed 20 years ago. The punters wanted the women to look like the porn actresses - very young, like teenagers, blonde, with breast implants and no pubic hair. Because of this and the constant competition with younger and more attractive women, many of the women had numerous cosmetic procedures and surgery. This would eat into their income, leaving them even more financially disadvantaged. 3. Sexual harassment is part of the job If you’re groped, sworn at, or sexually harassed in an office job, you can make a complaint and, if all else fails, you can take legal action. But this is what you get paid for in prostitution. You are paid for men to sexually access your body. And because they’ve paid, men expect to be able to do whatever they please. Even as the receptionist, you’re treated like you’re up for sale. When you answer the phone you’re expected to be a phone sex operator. Men would play games to try and seduce me. That and being subjected to porn that I couldn’t escape would definitely qualify as workplace sexual harassment. 4. Racism is rife I answered many calls from men asking for women of specific ethnicities - particularly Black and Asian women. When they came in, I would see that these men were always white. We rarely had Black men as punters and they would always want white women. So the women’s race and ethnicity was a selling point, which really emphasises that the men considered them commodities and not full human beings. The way some of the men spoke to the Asian women was disgusting. For example, one night two young guys came in. They only looked about 18. I introduced them to a Thai woman. She was really tiny. These guys looked so innocent and fresh faced until they opened their mouths. You wouldn’t believe the way they spoke to her. They acted like she couldn’t understand English even though I knew she could. One said he wanted to impale and destroy her on his dick. She was in a real state when she finished that booking. But some of the Asian women couldn’t speak English and they were really popular with the punters. I think this was because not speaking English made them more vulnerable and therefore easier to manipulate and coerce. 5. No employment protection One of the arguments for legalising prostitution is that it brings the women the advantages of being in regular employment. But in practice that doesn’t happen. It certainly didn’t in the brothel I worked in and I never heard of one where it did - not even in New Zealand, where my friend was in a brothel. Instead the women were “sole traders” and they just got paid for the bookings they did. They didn’t get any pension contributions or maternity or sick leave or pay. And they couldn’t take out insurance for income protection like you can in a conventional job. They’d have to take time off for their period, or unwanted pregnancies or tears to their anus or vagina, or because they just needed a break from the abuse and trauma. What insurance company would cover a women for this? It is too much of a risk. Prostitution is not as lucrative as you would imagine. I was surprised that there isn’t more money in it for the women. There were a few women who would see up to 10 punters a night but most saw two or three and it wasn’t uncommon for women to get no bookings at all. It was upsetting seeing them sitting there for 10 or 12 hours without getting a single one - and knowing they’d go home without a bean. Under normal workplace rules, workers get scheduled breaks. But not in the brothel - because if you get a booking, you are obligated to take it. In theory the women can decline a booking or refuse to see a particular punter but that rarely happens in practice. They need to pay their rent, so they have to do the booking. Men would ask for an hour, and later extend it for another one. On a busy night a woman could have back to back bookings. In the brothel, punters are treated like kings and nothing is spared in the way of their luxury. They had a spacious lounge area with leather couches and pool tables. The women’s facilities were at the opposite end of the scale. The 10 or more women working up to 12 hour shifts had to share one small cramped room, lacking in privacy. They didn’t even have space to sit down comfortably to relax between bookings. The wellbeing of the women is not a priority for pimps, brothel owners or even the government, who all benefit from women’s sexual exploitation. 6. The women are in lockdown After a woman walks in the brothel door at the beginning of her shift, she’s not allowed to leave until it ends. That’s the general rule in legal brothels in Victoria. This gives the lie to the sex trade lobby’s pretence that the women are running a small business like any other and can come and go as they please. At first I didn’t understand why they were locked in. I was told it was to keep drugs out. But that didn’t make sense. There was a “no drug” policy, but the majority of the women took prescription drugs, street drugs or alcohol just to make it through the night and to endure the physical and mental pain of it. I could tell they were using substances just from their demeanour. They would bring drugs or alcohol in with them or their regular punters would bring them in. The policy was simply not enforced, and everyone knew that. Eventually I understood the real reason for keeping the women in lockdown is not about drugs at all. It is about control and making them obedient, to break them down mentally. In every sense the sex trade involves the manipulation, control and oppression of the women. I saw this even in that upmarket legal brothel.

[@opctpos.]

7. Hazards and health risks Prostitution is the only job where unwanted pregnancy is an occupational hazard. Technically condoms were compulsory but every shift at least one punter would ask how much it was for doing it without. The women often told me about condoms splitting, of punters deliberately breaking them or taking them off when they did it “doggy style”. During my time, one of the women’s stomach started to swell. We all thought she was pregnant but she insisted she wasn’t and that it was caused by irritable bowel syndrome. Eventually she left and then we found out she was six months pregnant. In hospitals and clinics, workers who handle bodily fluids like blood, saliva, semen, urine or faeces wear protective clothing, gloves and goggles. In the brothel, although condoms were technically compulsory, neither I nor anyone else had any control over what happened behind the closed doors of the brothel rooms. Every booking was meant to begin with the woman inspecting the man’s genitals under a spotlight, lifting his penis and checking his testicles for warts or lesions. Can you imagine how awkward and humiliating that is for both parties? And anyway there’s no guarantee it would reveal evidence of any sexually transmitted infections the man might have. To be honest, I’m not sure the women actually complied with this rule because in my two years, only one man was ever turned away because he failed the inspection. Kissing was considered an extra service that men paid more for. But it meant women were exposed to men’s saliva in their mouth, and their vagina if he went down on them. They also have semen splashed on their face, hair and in their eyes during blow jobs. ‘Golden showers’ were a common extra. Nothing can make these practices safe and they become even more dangerous when either party is under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Sexually transmitted diseases are an occupational health risk in all brothels, including legal ones. Tears of the anus and vagina are also common and women typically need to take a month or more off to recover. Such injuries are physically and emotionally traumatising and, because the women are not employees, they’re not paid while they take time off to recuperate. Men who pay for sex expect to do whatever they want to a woman’s body. If they are paying for an hour, they expect to fuck for the entire hour. They expect to get their money’s worth. So women resort to pain killers or prescription or illicit drugs to numb themselves. And they use topical anaesthetic creams around their anus and vagina. But this means they don’t feel the damage while it is being done, making serious injuries even more likely. Getting pounded violently in the vagina, anus and mouth from uncaring men all night takes a serious toll on your body. The women would often look much older than they actually were - which is a known sign of extreme and persistent stress. 8. No workplace inspections Since leaving the brothel, I’ve worked in a regular job doing sales and marketing. WorkSafe, which enforces local occupational health and safety laws, inspects the premises every year. There were never any such inspections in the brothel when I worked there. I would have been sure to have heard if there had been one. And if they had done even a basic check, they would have closed the place down. Just having porn playing in every room made it an unsafe work environment. Women were exposed to sexually transmitted infections, violence and abuse. These conditions do not exist in a normal job. 9. Violence is endemic There was at least one incident of harassment, verbal abuse, violence or rough treatment towards the women on every single shift I ever worked in the brothel. I also experienced sexual harassment and verbal abuse myself from the punters; even the phone calls were harassing. I know another receptionist who had a gun held to her head in a hold up. There were panic alarms in every room but they were never used while I was there. It was just accepted that abuse was part of the job. If women had pressed the panic button, which they would have been justified in doing several times every night, what was I going to do? I was on my own and the brothel owner expected me to stay at the reception desk to answer phone calls and let punters in. There were no security guards, and to my knowledge, no brothels in Melbourne have them. So it’s not surprising that women in prostitution have a much higher mortality rate than other women and are more likely to be murdered. While I was working in the brothel one of the women died. We never found out whether she was murdered by her boyfriend or she took an overdose. In 2017 Stacey Tierney lay dead for more than 12 hours in Dreams Gentlemen’s Club in Melbourne. How can a woman be dead in her workplace and no one notice? 10. Dissociation and addictions I found the punters repulsive. They were entitled, rude, sexist, abusive, and violent, and many had appalling hygiene. They talked about women like they are slabs of meat, complaining about their “quality”. I found it unbearable sometimes just being near them. Can you imagine what it’s like to be naked and having such men grope and penetrate you? Many women report mentally escaping that reality by dissociating. Dissociation is psychological detachment from your surroundings because they are too awful to bear. One woman described it to me as astral travelling. Others said they focussed on the money and what they’d buy with it. Another way of dissociating is by using drugs or alcohol. Most of the women I knew in the brothel were addicted to drugs of one sort or another. But whichever way they did it, dissociating like that takes a terrible toll on women. 11. Secrets and lies Almost without exception, the women I worked with lied to their family and friends about what they did. One woman I became close to even invented a whole fake career. She built a website and had business cards printed with a pretend business name. Other women would say they were cleaning or night packing. Some said they were stripping, which is generally considered a better alternative. However, women I knew came from stripping to prostitution because they felt safer and more in control. Living a lie messes with your head. If it’s such a great job, why would they lie? But at the same time, the women have to be excellent actresses, to pretend to enjoy the abuse and degradation they are paid to endure. To interest the men they would have to appear charming and happy. To get a booking, she would have to convince him that she liked him and was interested in him. And then she’d have to fake that she was enjoying the sex and even fake an orgasm. Can you imagine what all this does to your mental health over time? 12. Social isolation In the brothel where I worked, most of the women did the night shift. Working nights can not only have a negative impact on your mental and physical health, it isolates you from normality. I noticed that most of the women in the brothel associated mainly with other men and women from that world. I worked two night shifts a week for about two years. I never really caught up on my sleep routine and it felt like being in a permanent state of jetlag. The average shift for the women in the brothel was from 7 pm to 6 am. Can you imagine doing that five or six nights a week for years? Even though the women worked alongside up to about 10 other women, depending on the shift, they seldom talked to each other. They had to compete to get punters’ attention and this set up rivalry and resentment. The combination of all these factors meant that many of the women were cut off from family and friends and became severely socially isolated.

[@justaamateur6533]

Lmao what

[@robelkton7800]

If you don't want to have sex with strangers don't sign up for it. It's not persecution that you decided to do that instead of getting a regular job like all us apparently non-oppressed people - copy-pasting a sob story doesn't change your own responsibility

[@rynethorup5690]

Meghans cadence combined with her infinite irrelevant anecdotes that all back her world view is so funny. "ya, I've talked to a bunch of people about this exact thing and they all disagree with you." Now copy paste that quote 100 times and you've heard all of her arguments in this video. This is some over 9000 debate power shit right here

[@TheForswornKing]

Can destiny debate a NIMBY on housing and zoning laws. I want to see that.

[@wvance0316]

that's pretty much every home owner, even in CA. There's nothing to debate. The logic is if I let them build apartments in my area then my property value goes down and I either can't sell my short-term or even long-term property for money or even take a loss, so they do the logical thing a vote no. The real question is why don't government's who want to get more affordable housing compensate the owners for the property value lost so they can get a yes vote. The truth is the government doesn't really care about it getting passed as they know the solution and choose not to do it. Plus they get to blame homeowners and the renters just eat it up because they don't care to research why it's the government's fault it never gets passed, they just know the vote was a no an the NIMBYs said no because they are mean. But they'd say no if the government took value from them without compensation too, so the real question is why are renters so ignorant at the end of the day since the government can always kick the can if the renters don't blame the government for trying to steal money from property owners.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@wvance0316 Just build it anyway, you don't actually have to compensate them. You only have to do that when paying market value for their home in acquiring it for eminent domain. What are they gonna do, un-build the apartments after they vote you out? They can't actually stop the building of apartments if the city council is dead-set on doing it. It's what happened in my state when we started converting golf courses into land for apartments both because more homes were needed and because those courses use up a lot more water than homes when we're in a 30-year drought. Yeah the people who bought houses next to the golf course were angry but they couldn't do anything about it. The city's response was basically "your property lost value? Too fucking bad, it's that or we have a lot less water to drink" Unless you're saying the Californian government was actually stupid enough to put it into law that you need homeowner approval for more development. Pretty sure that's not the case here in Nevada, basically only the casinos get a say in it.

[@brittanymiller568]

@@SeruraRenge11 You're exposing yourself for knowing very little about how zoning and building laws work while simultaneously claiming to have the solution to the NIMBY problem. That is all decided at the city council level, the government of California has no say and when you get down to that level of local politics NIMBYs and senior citizens are essentially the only people who vote. You are suggesting having zero respect for the property rights of the most politically active and highest tax paying citizens in your city. Tell me how you think that works out for the long term health of your city? People will not buy houses there, why on earth would they?

[@wvance0316]

@@SeruraRenge11 You are wrong on this one. First off, Cali clearly has regulations that mandate a vote, that's why the vote stops them there. Second, eminent domain laws aren't just for when the government buys land, I spent a whole semester on economic law. Eminent domain also applies to any lost value a government decision makes on your property. The obvious one is if you buy land and can prove you planed to develop it but the government then makes it illegal to develop that land, they have to compensate you for the lost value the development would have made you. There's also been lawsuits where the government and businesses have been sued for lost property value due to a construction and they were won by the plaintiff. I live in Vegas too and just because the casinos want you to think they can have their way, doesn't mean it's true. The fact is, if your property lost value as a direct result of a business or building, you can sue the owner for that difference in a one time settlement. It only applies to the owner during the initial damage, so if you buy it after the building has lowered the value, then you have accepted that as the fair price. There are tons of actions you can do to right wrongs legally, most people just don't know or think it's too much hassle. Also, your example about the watering of grass proves my point. Las Vegas pays you to get rid of your grass voluntarily, not because they want to, but because they want to trick people into accepting a lower dollar value voluntarily so they don't have to pay you fair market on eminent domain actions. The golf courses that are businesses, not HOA owned, absolutely get tax write offs for water shortages. The HOAs should have sued on behalf of the owners for the other case and should have given it to the owners. However, knowing how power hungry HOAs are, they probably banked it and got the homeowners to sign off on it without really knowing by hiding it in some terms and conditions for an update to their covenants. There, I just saved you a few credit hours on eminent domain and property damage lawsuits without having to be sarcastic like you were with your whole un-building of apartments comment.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@wvance0316 First off, are you actually suggesting the changes to water usage are actually based in lowering property value and not the fact that California keeping sucking up Lake Mead for agriculture and we can't stop them so we need to at least mitigate the amount of water we use? And yeah you can sue, but the groups with way more money can just get it tied up in court for years and years until you give up as the lawyer fees pile up. And maybe it's just becasue I'm new to this because I'm not originally from America, but from where I come from you can't really stop the government if it wants to build something and your house is in the way. They'll pay you off (probably) and tell you to get the fuck out and if you refuse, it's not going to be pretty for you. I don't mean like making a worse offer or even just veiled threats, I mean like someone from organized crime will show up a week later to break your kid's arm in front of a police officer who does nothing to show you they're serious. You can't really stop people who have that much more power and money than you, it's something you just end up learning to live with and accepting it won't get better. You COULD in theory raise a complaint with the Central Committee that the local Party official is abusing their authority because they're not supposed to do that, but if the thing being built is seen as vital enough then nothing will probably be done, even you even get through to them.

[@wojakc7745]

Meghan is infectiously remedial

[@HKRazieL]

i dislike people who talk like that... make a statement and then finish with "right?" as if what they said was true in any form... no, it's not right, you are wrong all over...

[@TheNavid001]

Love how this Megan person is compltetly comfortable with never having kids but treats women who have different fetishes from her as devient freaks. I am sure she is a deeply empathetic person /s

[@anon6181]

Men can do womens gymnastics but there's not a ghost of a chance of women doing mens gymnastics.

[@roninsjourney7560]

Facts. Especially rings.

[@iank1234]

The redhead mentioned yoga and people lying in scientific studies so now I’m wondering how many crystals she has on her desk?

[@Anfallhund]

It feels like Meghan is trying her hardest not to engage with anything ever. You can't convince that it's not on purpose.

[@bahortonify]

The title doesn't lie. This is extremely painful.

[@deensama7718]

Damn he really missed the point of the fact that most abusers and offenders of a serial nature (be it rape, serial killings, child offenders, etc.) suffered from abuse in their own childhoods. The data isn't that everyone who is abused BECOMES an abuser, that's just one of many factors that can lead to becoming an abuser. It's also one of the most prevalent factors, which suggests that of the many factors that predict criminality of this type, childhood abuse is one of the major driving forces. That means that being abused doesn't meant you WILL abuse, but if you ARE a serial abuser or other major serial criminal offender there's a very high likelihood you suffered abuse. The only real fuzzy part about this hinges on word games and how any one person defines abuse

[@DGzCarbon]

12 minutes in and destiny said there's a gay gene that activates

[@四as]

Watch it or yours is getting activated next.

[@sathinder6421]

Good evening

[@jordanluis796]

evening bro

[@GameSquad306]

good evening :)

[@twitfizz]

Good Morning

[@upincloud244]

goodnight

[@Apollo_91]

Good evening friend

[@wvance0316]

I made it 45 mins. I need to go out and touch some grass for a bit. She hurts my head so much. I agree, Destiny was right about just nailing her on the fact that her opinion is completely irrational and that she just hates it because she hates it and wants others to as well. She's the wormiest person I've seen in years and should never be given a platform to discuss her ideas because she has no arguments to make, just spouting half theories. I just came back from my break and I realized why she keeps beating this point of who are these women you surveyed on porn consumption and why it is also her point to bring up men being the majority of the population. It's also why she dodged the point about a woman uploading her own video and said she would go after the sites and not the women. She thinks women are better than men. She thinks she's part of the better sex, that only men are the bad ones, and that only women who have been corrupted by men would have these sick desires. Hence why she wants to discount the fact that the women asked in the survey who liked more violent sex in general as not being a valid representation of women because they watch porn and clearly she thinks that women are innately pure. It's why she'd punish onlyfans and not the model because the site, which statistically would be male owned and majority ran, would be the better target as the volunteer woman was just a victim of society.

[@NoBoDY.England]

She got you triggered, me to, jolly frustrating debate. Got the impression she was a little on the religious and stupid side!

[@ianhurley4323]

You just learned what a radical feminist is. Congratulations lol

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Destiny, if you're the only person on the call who is capable of delivering necessary critique then _it's your responsibility_ to deliver it *even if* that means dogpiling somebody. You have a responsibility to participate in your own content.

[@gelonvia8525]

Ah yes, the "Because you can, means you should" argument. That one always ends well and never ever degenerates under any pressure at all.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@gelonvia8525 "if you're the *only person on the call* who is capable of delivering _necessary critique_ THEN it's your responsibility"

[@tigerfestivals5137]

I read this as "dog pilling" and thought it was a joke about that dogwarts thing

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@tigerfestivals5137 I hate that I know what you're talking about.

[@Jason-ef8re]

It’s funny she changed the question from “how is paying some to build your house different than paying for sex” to “mowing a lawn is less intimate than sex so there’s more risk” like paying someone to a huge sum of money for a stranger to build a house doesn’t leave you vulnerable to trauma

[@Speleomimus]

If youve ever dealt with residential contractors yeah, some of them are absolute scum, basically criminal

[@carefulilickwindows6881]

Actually, hormones and the way a woman's hips are built allows for more flexibility on average (or in general, women respond to static stretching better too). It's a common thing you learn in A & P classes (anatomy and physiology). Also, because of those hormones women are more prone to joint hypermobility which can be detrimental in the long run. There is a reason why women make up over 60% of the people that have joint problems.

[@onesquirrel2713]

I like how Aella is struggling to even understand what Meghan is saying, because Aella has a very logical mind that works like "Given facts A and B, our theory predicts C, so thats what we expect to find", while Meghan can't even form a statement that has a truth value.

[@Anfallhund]

This was genuinely painful the title of this video couldn't be more accurate

[@us6ey]

Meghan’s laugh drives me nuts omg

[@parkeranderson8428]

31:42 I know we just blaze past this but if she’s taking away the profit incentive for sex work…does that mean I’m her world we get 501c3 non profit brothels?

[@Abridgelion]

Destiny get on Boyce of Reason. 👍

[@zXDaishiXz]

The AGP vs Trans thing isn't thaaat complicated. But it is correct to assert that one doesn't explain the whole of the other, and it's something that is generally nuanced and expressed by people who don't understand it. To be as simple as possible: Some people clearly are subject to AGP, while others have GD. (KZbin doesn't like when I use these words in their entirety, lol.) You can have someone with GD who may also be aroused because of AGP. But you can also have people with AGP question if they are GD. Neither are mutually exclusive. What we really run into is a problem with the current culture, especially where we socially attach moral traits one way to the entire zeitgeist. So you will have people who are CLEAR cases for AGP being pushed, and rewarded for transitioning when they wouldn't have; and suffering for the morals of the movement. But I would also argue previously, you would have people who clearly had GD simply being attributed to AGP, and ultimately not taking any action and getting no treatment when they should have had something.

[@zXDaishiXz]

​@Somnus523 First off.. I think you misread my text. I never said there was a cure for AGP, nor implied it was something to be treated. It is like any other type of non dangerous paraphilia. I only did for GD since that has a profound effect on one's health that requires behaviour from others to feel stable, and probably needs some kind of care or treatment (Treatment, including affirming care or anything else.) "Additionally I don't think AGPs are being "pushed" to transition." -- This is where I disagree, as I find it's a lot more than just APGs who seem to be socially pressured, or at least 'socially rewarded' for it. APGs just uniquely fall under that umbrella given it's tight knit relationship in discourse. "they legitimately want to transition because it makes them happy to be that way. I can speak on my own experience that my "AGP" actually turned into Gender Dysphoria overtime, the distress from either condition is immense and i wouldn't wish it upon anyone." -- In some cases I bet so, but from your story this sounds far more likely you had GD all along. I can't speak to your specific experience but I'm sure there are many who have one (GD or AGP) and attribute it to the other while growing up. But I know several people with AGP, and although they question GD they ultimately dismiss it, and report much different feelings of self identity than what you see with people with GD. Not to say they couldn't transition as an option because it still makes them happy, but if it's not stable or satisfactory, you see massive trauma. With GD you at least rule out the stability making affirming care much more reasonable. (not stable in the feelings, stable in the sense that the feelings towards something are consistent.) "If AGPs aren't harming themselves or others i think they should be allowed to do what makes them happiest." -- I agree, I never said or implied otherwise.

[@Shin_Akumi]

Woman are more flexible in the groin naturally. Because of the child bearing, women are naturally better at the spilits ot whatever, guys can still do it, but u have to practice at it, its harder because we have longer limbs and more muscles and ligaments that need to be stretched harder, a lot of guys cant touch their toes, most women can, their centre of gravity is different to a mans, id assume its because men usually have thin hips and women tend to have wider hips. Men are not preparing for an 8 pound baby to crawl out either lol women's hips just naturally allow for more flexibility.

[@CoyoteCutie]

theres no way a 5'7 guy is taller than 98% of women lol

[@MusiCrazyEsperanza]

I like the intro music it's uplifting and brings a happy excitement

[@Nettamorphosis]

Is it just me or does the moderator sound like the narrator of the Twilight Zone

[@bigdadybojangls9219]

It’s because this debate is a fuckin twilight zone debate lmao

[@Nettamorphosis]

@@bigdadybojangls9219 🤣😂🤣

[@badams2190]

That was the whole reason I got into league. The lows are low but the highs are the highest. Huge dopa hit after rolling all game and they surrender at 25 mins.

[@aelfgernon7729]

Some actual psych stuff I learned from JBP is that the majority of abusers were abused, but that effect is not nearly strong enough to make the majority or even a significant portion of abused people become abusers. Also in a lot of the serial killer profiles it seems like the majority of them had significant physical/sexual abuse in their childhood. Head trauma seems pretty common in those stories as well.

[@DeadpoolX9]

This might be cope but I think those serial killer upbringing stories just reflect the norms of the time. Or like the lowest standard of norms. Like plenty of people went through that but like 1 percent became serial killers so we just associate the two. It’s like how in rap people talk about killing each other all the time but in reality probably like 1 out of 100,000 have actually done it but it gets associated with everyone. Or any kind of stereotyping really.

[@emikochan13]

I think every abused person becomes an abuser in some way. You only ever hear about the most extreme types of abuse.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@DeadpoolX9 "This might be cope but I think those serial killer upbringing stories just reflect the norms of the time." In some ways yeah. Beating your kids over the smallest shit used to be just way more normal and you can't tell me there's no correlation between that and viewing violence as being ok when you're an adult. Though really, serial killers were kinda an anomaly of the 1920s-70s and mostly disappeared once better forensic evidence became a thing. That being said, they did exist in the past, but since we lived in much less densely populated societies, if someone disappeared and was found in pieces, you usually just assumed wolves got them or it was some monster in your folklore instead of a serial killer.

[@bertthompson4748]

@@DeadpoolX9 it's the McDonald's triad. Damage to empathy as both a coping mechanism and physical harm leads to certain behaviours that indicate a proclivity to serial kill

[@sepro5135]

@@emikochan13 Yeah, probably most develop abusive tendencies, but a lot of them probably catch themselves and don’t do the really fucked up stuff

[@napalmholiday9708]

I got bored of this debate and clicked over to PHub instead, mission accomplished

[@ek5273]

Anything involving Megan Murphy's existence is painful

[@LoneWulf278]

😂

[@TheMightyWalk]

pedophile take

[@nathantripathy]

I honestly think Meghan Murphy's grasp on how numbers work is so tenuous that I find myself wondering if she can count.

[@meruempro]

Smartest radical feminist

[@mkm1015]

Every person that wants to abolish pornography is so emotional and smug and makes bald claims completely not supported by data whatsoever. Everything she's said about porn is wrong. It's fascinating to have so consistently dumb takes on the subject.

[@connorbrown7455]

Saying you've been in "lots and lots of monogamous relationships" to try and make a point that you are any kind of authority on monogamy kind of backfires for me. Just saying.

[@diegoseba12]

15:11 men when they read studies disproving the idea of hypergamy:

[@brittanymiller568]

Why is it that every time the concept of hypergamy is "disproven" or "debooonked" that nobody ever actually disproves anything, they just dispute the rate at which it occurs? Like it's obvious to anyone who has ever been outside that the basics of the concept of hypergamy are true, that there are a minority of men at the top of the casual dating marketplace who sleep with most of the women, that a large majority of women are in the middle getting bounced between these guys, and that there is a majority of men at the bottom getting little to no interaction. The reasons for why this is the case is where the interesting discussion starts but to deny that this is the reality or to get hung up on whether the numbers are actually 80% vs 20% is just so asinine.

[@diegoseba12]

@@brittanymiller568 It's easy to deny that is a reality because that is no reality in the first place. Every single piece of data points to the fact that hypergamy is not real. It's a retarded incel myth. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@MasterPMDP]

I think letting people work for tips is way more abusive than them working in the porn industrie.

[@sameash3153]

That's retarded. My sister worked for tips and made more money per night than I do. She's not more abused than sex workers.

[@MasterPMDP]

@@sameash3153 does she have healthcare, retirement, paid vacation and sickdays? If you work for Tips you have to be fake polite just to make a living. There is a reason why in the US people in the service industry get treated poorly. The way some customers act is crazy to me. Here in Germany they would be thrown out. Service workers here have all the benefits above plus a reliable Income they can live of. PS: I forgot the 3 years paid maternity leave for the mother or the father, and your job waits for you by law they cant fire you! Oh yeah Sexworkers here in Germany have to pay taxes and have also all the benefits above.

[@sameash3153]

@@MasterPMDP I mean, I don't have any of that besides sick days. She had more benefits than I do. Also I have to be fake polite to make a living too. I'm just saying the idea people have of tip workers is usually wrong. Yeah, they make less weekly, but they make so much a day that at the end of the week she was making like two times what I make. Anyway, I don't have any of those benefits and it has nothing to do with whether I get tips or not, American jobs just suck, we got rid of all our good paying jobs, so your only options now are SoundCloud rap, podcasting, or cashiering.

[@MasterPMDP]

@@sameash3153 see as a customer you feel forced to tip. Here we only tip if the service was extraordinary good plus usually all the tips get collected and every worker gets the same share. Most of the workers that have to live of tips usually work unhealty hours and get exploited by their employer. there are lots of studies about that topic. www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/302157.pdf or you can just google "exploitation in the "service industry" us"

[@phillipoliverholtz9226]

I binge so much of destiny, and Aella is by far the most intelligent female hes come across.

[@Speleomimus]

The whole incest angle is kinda moot. I sincerely doubt that Johnny Sins is in any way related to Riley Reid and that goes for the remainder or actors in these films

[@currentcommerce4774]

GIRL SQUIDWARD

[@DeepMindfulness]

Engaging so the algorithm sends more videos like this. PS - talk about a bath faith debater! Damn. I wish Aella went full Destiny on her.

[@6Churches]

25:30 I can 100% say that watching gay incest or twincest has no correlation with a real-world desire to engage in it. She is wildly speculating here.

[@RealmRabbit]

1:17:32 Mmmmmm add more of that poison to that well!

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

12:15 this seems like a distinction without a difference; the point is that it either is or is not a _choice._ If it turns out that we can isolate the exact set of factors that cause somebody to become gay then it will *become* a choice.... Probably not _your_ choice though...

[@gelonvia8525]

That ignores any context that in the example you gave that suddenly any events that naturally occur from birth suddenly no longer exist, which is completely unlikely, even if we find suppressants to alter someone's preferences sexually from birth the entire point those would be made is because it /keeps/ happening, people keep being born without a choice in said preference. Sure, eventually/potentially in the future we can make it so in the same way we can alter it so people do have the choice in the matter, but your entire argument is built on the idea that those without a choice suddenly stop. Good try though, maybe your third argument you type out here in comments will have substance and random people in a comment can't deconstruct it immediately. You need to stop regurgitating random shit you near from some 7 second clip on tiktok spouted from some pseudointellectual you think sounds smart.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@gelonvia8525 You're not thinking like me: if we know exactly what factors cause somebody to become gay, then it's SOMEBODY'S _choice_ to expose people to that -- or to try and limit their exposure.

[@reiggier9211]

@Jorbsmen Petersdude unless the factors can't be affected by somebody's choice- for example if it was too complex or involved too many factors

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@reiggier9211 In that case I'd say "we have NOT isolated the factor."

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@reiggier9211 The point is that IF we can find "the thing" that causes people to be gay -- isolate that factor -- THEN being gay will be a choice... _But you might not be the one who gets to make that choice for yourself._

[@niclastname]

Oh man I watched this last night, and it's the most painful brainrot "debate". I can't wait to see Destiny's reaction! 😂

[@randomuniquehandle]

Hey... Listen. Turn back now. You'll regret it.

[@zaktilzer5130]

Every NFL team has mandatory yoga.

[@genjigrant795]

What’s the intro preview music?

[@PhilosoFeed]

This is so brutally haram. I need disinfectant for my ears.

[@K.I.A22]

12:49 holy shit I knew the word he was thinking about instantly!!! Am I smart???

[@NoBoDY.England]

Sounds like you've got a superpower, just remember power comes with great responsibility. Use it wisely 😁

[@kidathlete]

Anyone know why the VOD that this debate was on got deleted? Copyright?

[@RealmRabbit]

If you look through the lives of serial killers and dictators when they were young, you do end up seeing a staggering amount of them having a past where their parents (or at least one parent) were abusive to them... And often it's not just like spankings, but some really nasty stuff... Like if you watch the Casual Criminalist videos on different cases, while it's not always there the majority of those videos talking about killers seem to have a part where it mentions the parents abusing them... It feels like a strong correlation... I've not seen anyone actually math it out, but I don't think on the Casual Criminalist the writers are like biased in actively searching for killers who were abused... It's just a trend... Probably because it shows them that violence/etc. is okay at a young age... Then when they're adults they want to be the ones being violent because they feel like they deserve to be... Obviously there are also people who do get abused and don't become murderers, but it probably just leaves you with some mental issues that make you more predisposed to fall into that than the average person... Just as your genetics probably can if you have a lot of psychopathic people in the family... Doesn't mean you are going to be a murderer, even if you do end up being a psychopath and even if maybe you have a family member who did murder... But you're probably more likely than the average person to end up going that route... But yeah, early lives of serial killers tend to be miserable... Maybe not necessarily abuse, like there was one woman who basically had her cousin or brother I think pimping her out in Mexico and then before you know it she went and had a small village believing she was some sort of Aztec deity and they were having sacrifices and sex with basically anything and everything be it family, animals, etc. and it got really out of hand for the people who just wanted to use her to scam the village of money... They basically lost control of the cult to this woman who was living a really awful life until she ended up deified and running the village as she pleased...

[@horrorqueen3577]

Less is more. Jesus.

[@michaelh13]

I ain reading allat but you spittin

[@Anthropomorphic]

Yeah, that's basically what I've heard as well. I don't think it's a settled matter within psychology, but it's a serious theory. Based on what I've heard, though, that the key issue might be the lack of an emotional "anchor". Our ability to understand and manage our own emotional states is learned, and we learn it from the people we grow up around. If there aren't any emotionally reliable and available people around when you're a kid, you might never develop the ability; and it's been argued that pretty much all serial killers seem to lack that ability. Like I said, though, it's definitely not a settled matter.

[@themadmattster9647]

I’m with Destiny, never really went more extreme with Porn. I just use porn for a few minutes and then it’s forgotten

[@novasun1984]

The clickbait title actually ruined my opinion to watch this originally... This Sexual preference Debate actually was very interesting to watch, Aella might be LOSING views due to the Clickbait title. FeelsBadMan 4Head Edit: I get it, the woman's preferences to PAIN for both sexual gratification and viewing... are Argued in the video, good one. 😂

[@Nicolae_Mew]

I don't see what's wrong with admitting that a lot of women want to be R-worded, and I myself had that fetish when I was a kid so I can say from experience it's not really a big deal.

[@Cybertech134]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with admitting that women want to be retarded

[@NoBoDY.England]

No one asked anti-porn & prostitution, what does she think well happen if it was illegal/band. Does she think pornography wasn't a thing before the internet, video, film, photograph, printing press, canvas & parchment? whatever does she thinks happening in places where it's illegal? At least with it being legal and regulated there can be some safeguards. Stupid in full effect! 🤦

[@6Churches]

48:50 Spudgun, what? Have you never heard of a research hypothesis? i.e. a question that exists for which an experimental or sampling design is built? Research hypotheses may be applied to broad survery data, or they may not, there are myriad ways of doing research. Your "computational model" notion doesn't even explain who or what the mind is that deems whether something is or is not "useful information", gees.

[@mayorofmotown]

Destiny Vs Dr Robert Malone would be epic. Destiny could go on the debate. Tell Dr Malone how vaccine work and how MRNA vaccines work. Because their is no topic that he doesn’t know about. Dr Malonea credentials will not matter?

[@NeoIsrafil]

I dont know about gymnastics, but I do know that most of the women ive trained in sword combat have a tendency to be more finesse oriented and dexterous than their male counterparts, but thats not due to a biological advantage, its due to a biological disadvantage. Women are physically weaker, lacking testosterone, so the way for them to win IS to focus on dexterity while working just enough on strength to be able to use the dexterity they trained to gain. Basically its a tendency that self reinforces, and can be a helluva useful thing because often guys don't seem to either expect it or know how to ptoperly counter it except at the higher level state and national tournaments. Remember, chick's don't START more dexterous or anything, but if they do anything physically

[@superidot1]

Lmao if people in movies are "not real" because they are acting wtf do they thing a porn STAR is? A ACTOR lol. Like you think they are actually enjoying themselves on set?