Destiny Gets Called Out On A Panel In The Bridge Burn Aftermath

[@tinius9276]

The lav cycle honestly is killing me, a loop that threatens my mind into mental regression. Basically - Saying some weird shit that sounds like it was meant to trigger everyone - followed by Steven, Eru, literally anyone else saying why its bullshit for her to word her argument like this- the walkback on almost everything - Destiny or Eru explains real points that people in general can make on the topic - Lav states "this is exactly what i said/meant in my argument" - Destiny explains once again that the way you phrase things are important - Repeat.

[@kingrainbow5432]

Were you around for the [REDACTED]frills/voir drama?

[@DoubleYouDotTrump]

@@kingrainbow5432 I caught the tail end of that

[@yawasama8248]

I just skip any content with lav or Mr. Girl on now

[@kingrainbow5432]

@@yawasama8248 so you've watched very little Destiny lately huh

[@cm_dev]

Perfectly summarized.

[@SergeofBIBEK]

The irony is that Lav is complaining about empathy while having no empathy for how hard it is for Destiny to live with a girl's name.

[@daemok4752]

she definitively has no empathy for Steven being sandwiched in so many ways that he gets frustrated by it, nor can she even understand it.

[@pauleiceic9037]

no the irony is in destiny dick he cant let it go that bitch its clearly lav playing him left and right for cloud and destiny desire for lav vagina blind his eyes

[@atriiio4244]

@@daemok4752 although steven somewhat likes the conflict

[@dalminehoff8985]

It’s scary how creative you guys get with these “destiny’s a girls name” meme lol

[@oyah999]

@@dalminehoff8985 meme?

[@wowhowbizarre8176]

Every time Lav makes an argument I love Aba more

[@aLatios]

Aba wasn’t in this video?

[@spacebananna5967]

@@aLatios but Aba has been pointing shit like this out since day one lol that's the correlation

[@youtubebansdonothing4795]

She makes me love women more

[@rinkurikara]

@@youtubebansdonothing4795 yo Daddy destiny doesnt want These jokes anymore. I think everyone gets it but we should try to stop this stuff

[@spacebananna5967]

@@youtubebansdonothing4795 yeah we gotta pump the brakes on that one chief.

[@CapnKrunk123]

I think everyone is 100% sick of Lav and her bullshit. She really takes no accountability or responsibility for what she says. When she says "I could be wrong" it's just an ego filled way to say "I'm pretty fucking right" and we can all see it. She's not actually saying she's wrong, this is what triggers Aba so much.

[@tomgjgj]

To be fair, our glorious Mahdi does this as well.

[@sunwukong5791]

@@tomgjgj yeah but when destiny does it he's right and based

[@nb4411]

Destiny does the exact same shit Lav does lol.

[@tre9313]

55:39

[@nellyfrittata8319]

Gaslight Supreme

[@IRepko]

It’s so funny that Lav needs to be correct so badly that she thinks the crackdown on ironic misogyny was for her

[@panacea.palace]

"ironic"

[@diego032912]

@@panacea.palace "ironic"

[@devoncarter613]

@@diego032912 "ironic"

[@jessevilla3708]

@@devoncarter613 “ironic”

[@TheFrmx]

@@jessevilla3708 "ironic"

[@ronswanson1410]

Imagine not taking Destiny’s advice and then blaming him for having a bad time on his stream.

[@davidkay1948]

Sneako

[@TheKomentor]

They should just stop making content revolving just around Lav and discussing her emotions becos it seems like I'm listening to the same thing again and again on a loop. Do panels on interesting topics and allow Lav to be a part of those and see how she performs.

[@ZodiacTatoo]

@@TheKomentor I thought that’s how it started and Lav didn’t like the how people reacted to her takes on issues and made damaging statements about others and this content right here is the outcome of what you are recommending

[@TheRumpelstinskin]

@@ZodiacTatoo Dats sad

[@PandaBrrr]

"I grew up in a bad home, so do everything out of your power to bend your world view to mine. I can't change my interpersonal distortions and that's just how it is and you need to be prepared to accept the projection and insecurities and lack of knowledge and life experiences I throw upon you." -Pretty much Lav

[@BloodSoilandSoul]

Also a massive chunk of the left.

[@WanderTheNomad]

No wonder she and Max were as close as they were to each other

[@UnorthodoxHeavyHitter]

“Also forgot to mention you’re a misogynist” -lav

[@TheLumberjack1987]

@@BloodSoilandSoul *Führer

[@MS-pd7fc]

I tried so hard but goddamn I hate lav. I wish she could just say I was wrong full stop. Not blame all her actions on mental illness or trauma or her mother. Goddamn

[@triplemoyagames4195]

Facts, I just can't stand her

[@furyberserk]

Is this supposed to be new? I hardly see her as the first.

[@WanderTheNomad]

I love how her and Sneako give me completely different reasons for me to dislike them. Variety is the spice of life. ✨️

[@Halesburg]

Maybe Destiny can get her in contact with JLP to talk about her mommy issues.

[@Only_min9a]

I hate how Lav uses her childhood traumas to escape any accountability for what she says.

[@taylormade9748]

Right, and I’m sorry, but how she talks to ppl on panel makes me care less and less about her childhood trauma. We’ve all gone through shit, so her bringing it up is hella irrelevant in the debate space

[@handsomebear.]

Lav has infinite charitability to herself and hers and literally none for anyone else lmfao.

[@vinnycannoli]

Super funny how Erudite called her out for making everything super complex for herself and simple for everyone else. She goes to say that she doesn't do that at all, and the IMMEDIATELY goes on to do the EXACT THING she was just accused of doing

[@Fighter4all1]

Did the community watch the last video and stop of thier own accord with that "This makes me love women" or moderation?

[@winter666madness]

Oh like a lot of people. Empathy for my side. Gulag for others.

[@dmvbawse4265]

Notice it’s the same with max? Both can only exist in spaces when afforded the most charitability and yet they can’t bring themself to afford anybody else any.

[@q_q3010]

We've heard Lav's reasons for her behavior (neural divergency, autism, childhood trauma 15 times and she still hasn't made any noticable progress in correcting it. Shit is getting boring.

[@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555]

Do you interneters know woman? This is 80% off them

[@l.sibisi7741]

she's too interested in changing everyone else(subreddit included). that she doesn't improve herself.

[@DeadpoolX9]

@@l.sibisi7741 tis what happens when you’re young

[@Jhon47807]

Despite only being 30% of DGG, Dan is responsible for 78% of the content.

[@FrankRijkaard19]

He is also a dgga, coincidence?

[@MrGetownedLP]

DAN HOLYYY GIGACHAD DAN HOLYYY GIGACHAD DAN HOLYYY GIGACHAD DAN HOLYYY GIGACHAD

[@davidd7201]

She still doesn't understand how manipulative her style of interpersonal communication is. She bloviates so much. She can talk for 10 minutes and say very little.

[@ndnrb_]

Thanks for teaching me the word bloviate

[@seanm4082]

Mad bloviation

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

Worse: she knows how manipulative it is, but she's recategorized 'emotional manipulation' as 'empathetic behavior', and thus she thinks that the way she behaves is not only okay, but the best way to behave. I don't know how to fix this kind of problem in people, because there's no way to *show* them how horrible they're being, because they're at their most comfortable when playing their game.

[@andersondang7253]

Lav seems to acknowledge her short comings but it feels like she's using the acknowledgement as the scapegoat to continue her short comings.

[@TheSkyrimps3]

If she really wants to get anywhere in these types of circles she needs to change her approach and attitude… If not she honestly needs to leave.

[@Anfallhund]

That's exactly how I feel on her. She says something factually incorrect and/or stupid and every single time she just says she's mentally ill.

[@MB-ul5me]

Spot on. She identifies all the issues she has, but assesses those issues as being entirely out of her control, 100% the fault of her upbringing, surroundings and everything else. Essentially, she's claiming her shortcomings on the one hand, but on the other hand entirely disassociating herself from these shortcomings. Absolute mental gymnastics

[@ObliviousCrow]

She's the worst kind of person. She's aware of her problems but doesn't do anything to change them.

[@bigdadybojangls9219]

@@ObliviousCrow I don’t think she’s actually aware of them. I think that she thinks other people are just full of shit or don’t know what they’re talking about when they call her out for her shit.

[@blueblazer9991]

She is really smug for someone who recently cried on stream because Destiny is so mean to her

[@augustb.w.4778]

She is frustrating for the exact same reason sneako is they both have the smugness and overconfidence that I had when I was 16 and got rid off years ago

[@TheFrmx]

Lav is the epitome of why men hate women.

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

That was so pathetic

[@augustb.w.4778]

@@TheFrmx not sure about that one

[@frankrstorm06]

And this is the frustration the community have all those moments that she makes no sense and she fails to recognize that and blames it on misogyny!😂😂😂 there are fucked up comments towards her? most likely, there are a bunch people that are hate riding and lean towards more misogynistic jokes and insults but you don’t see the same hate with other females on the panels, except when they say something irrational. And she keeps bringing some Reddit threads but never pulls receipts, like if you are really vocal about something and bring it up as facts in every other conversation, you should be able to prove those “facts” to the audience and the people you are speaking to.

[@kylec8015]

12:43 Lav's response to Erudite is actually an example of what is being discussed lol. Erudite to Lav: "When the criticism is targeted at you and Max, you do something similar where it's infinitely complex, but when either of you dish it out it's rather simple, clear cut, and supposedly obvious and true." Lav's response: "Well I think maybe Max does that, but I don't do that." For Max it's rather clear cut, for her however lol, it's "significantly more complex," as she goes on to describe how, for her specifically, it's just so much more nuanced. "That description of my behavior that I don't like, yeah I think it accurately describes Max... Huh, me too?... No that's not quite accurate, here let me elucidate you as to all the very important details you seem to have overlooked." No further thought or charitability is necessary as it's rather easy to toss him under the bus, but for her? Hold on a second there! Pump those brakes, I am not a speed bump! It's actually just so much more multifaceted and complex and we need to take a moment and discuss this! But make sure while we talk, you afford me every ounce of charitability you can possibly muster as it is completely warranted... Huh, Max who?... Forget that, let's just keep driving while we talk. This exchange is golden, as it encapsulates the topic being discussed in such a nice succinct package. 49:43 "Don't we all do it?" is not a refutation of an accusation that you did something, it's an admission that you did it...

[@Brumzy]

At these points I was literally screaming “you’re doing it right now” while driving to work. I really can’t wait for this shit to be over

[@ZChoate]

"You're right, you're right, you're right. But you're forgetting, this is harder for me than it is for you" (Empath*)

[@Kaaosification]

Lav: "You are not really that empathetic person Destiny like I am" Also Lav 10 seconds later: "I know you are very afraid of being a simp" Also Lav 20 seconds later: "I'm not undermining what you are saying"

[@cementfists]

Yeah, she's argumentative because she doesnt actually have a father figure and craves attention. She literally makes up and breaks up with steven every 1-2 days arguing about nothing

[@i_tell_u_hwathill8089]

@@cementfists no she’s argumentative because she doesn’t make valid points, it’s suppose to be a debate not an argument, arguments are discussed between children and adults. Hence her being they real childish prick.

[@pinnacull]

It’s crazy how IMMEDIATELY after Erudite did her spot on explanation of Lav’s ridiculous behaviour, Lav proceeds to do exactly what Erudite was talking about. And then she does again multiple times within the next 15 minutes. How can someone be this dishonest? If I were in that call I would have immediately called her out for that.

[@Squidpunkish]

I wrote this girl off about a month or 2 ago when she said empathy and patience were important to her after describing how she makes her fiancée feel like a nuisance for simply existing whenever possible.

[@SupaDupaDanga]

When Lav laughs its a defense mechanism to being wrong or getting rightfully called out.

[@AnthonyGrant231]

THIS! I've been noticing that SO much.

[@will8091]

"sure, but you have to understand"

[@sirrobbieiii1953]

I'm sorry but I can't stand watching another video with Lav in it. If someone is kind enough can they please give me a nice summary.

[@G13ULTRA]

i’ll get back to you

[@sirrobbieiii1953]

@@G13ULTRA love you ❤️

[@jophaps1156]

We need midterm coverage REEEEE

[@Bububixby]

5 min and she claimed destiny will come around to max’s thoughts. Steven explained quickly that he disagrees about having an employer and employee relationship towards people that hang in his community. Then Lav agreed with destiny and couldnt come up with anything more. She hasnt changed at all LOL

[@PandaBrrr]

@@Bububixby she said" I don't want to do Max's thinking for him. " later says "This is what I think max would want you to do because that is what I would want"

[@johngamer-bp3pc]

listening to lav makes me want to say really hurtful things

[@tobiasreaper6784]

does it start with the letter B?

[@Narhwal_OG]

This is what happens when someone whom is used to selling pictures of their B-hole tries to be intellectual.

[@relly793]

go ahead

[@Cybertech134]

@@tobiasreaper6784 ©unt doesn't start with B

[@shaun5047]

If lav ran into her literally self, she would crap all over the person. Lol She’s basically someone who stands on a soap box that acts better than everyone else, yet at the same time is literally the people she craps on. She thinks bc she openly admits it’s bad that it somehow not makes her a hypocrite

[@shaun5047]

@Comfy Reviews lol I can’t say that it’s a leftist trait, there’s hypocrisy on every side. I actually blame Destiny for continually allowing her back on his platform. She has very little consequences so why would she change. Not to me too bc she sells nudes, I’m sure being attached to Destiny literally makes her thousands.

[@youtubebansdonothing4795]

I'm convinced her "trauma" is made up and she hates abuse porn so much because she used to do it and loved it.

[@noobslayer1196]

So she's destiny

[@owenleal]

@@AkaiKnight fr. Like am I supposed to know who Ted K even is?

[@owenleal]

@Comfy Reviews so are incels all leftist then?

[@tornadre]

That’s not what empathy means Lav…it means the ability to understand how someone else feels, not feel what they feel… This “empathy” arc is driving me crazy

[@nicholasjacobs6605]

Shes getting sympathy and empathy mixed up.

[@tornadre]

@@nicholasjacobs6605 I don’t think so. Sympathy would be feeling badly for someone without necessarily understanding why. “I see you’re hurting and I’m sorry you’re hurting.” Empathy is like a step further where you understand why someone feels that way and their emotional process kind of. What Lav referenced at least in the beginning of this conversation is some kind of emotional synesthesia or something where she wants someone to basically feel what she feels, not just understand it which is a crazy high bar and probably not healthy for the average person to take on other people’s emotional states

[@zaatas]

@@tornadre Empathy is when you can understand someone's feeling because you had a similar trauma happen to you. Sympathy is where you feel for someone without having a similar experience. If you have never experienced grief, you cannot show true empathy to someone else that has. But you could have sympathy for someone if you imagined someone you cared about dying.

[@peenko9233]

​@@zaatas empathy is mentally putting yourself in someone else's shoes, you don't need any experience, just imagination

[@zaatas]

@@peenko9233 I disagree, I don't think you can have true empathy for someone's situation unless you actually went through the emotions they are going through brought on by a similar event. You cant understand grief without experiencing it. You don't know what it's like to be dumped until it happens to you. You don't know what it's like to live blind even though you can close your eyes.

[@brunoestevez6545]

It’s almost Olympic levels of walk back from the gold medalist Lav. See you guys next week for another Lav cycle and how her emotional trama is to blame for her personal distortions.

[@tehbobb08]

Lav learned the words malignant and maladaptive, that's the only thing I learned from her in this stream.

[@dylanbuckley6583]

We need to make a notification option for videos where Lav isn’t involved or mentioned. Her cognitive dissonance on pretty much every topic is doing my head in.

[@justthedon1792]

Warning the video contains scenes where Lav is present , this may cause distress and mysognist tendencies in young viewers

[@napalmholiday9708]

I mean her picture is in the thumbnail, have some agency in the situation and don't click the video if you know it's going to upset you.

[@NeoDeity]

@@napalmholiday9708 No thumbnails on mobile phone notifications. So you click and watch before a thumbnail pops up.

[@R_J8]

I I unironically thought to leave a comment on the last Lav video saying something to August like “WARNING RATED LAV”

[@Nabekukka]

@@NeoDeity One still possesses the agency of once realizing that Lav is going to be featured in the video, one can immediately stop watching the video at that very moment.

[@MrVijman]

Aba was right... Lavs level of mental gymnastics is crazy

[@whiteflame24]

Imagine explaining an empathetic response as just being “fuck that really sucks” yeah Lav you’re clearly a big empath lol

[@Narhwal_OG]

Lav is such a smooth brain it actually causes me physical pain.

[@JijonJang]

My god Lav is the most elusive person I have heard as she is very quick to evade accountability at all cost because she will she say " I didn't say that" or " I didn't know" even when their video proof shown in front of her

[@heatherlynn4652]

Lav and max need to understand it's their responsibility to get help so they can be better communicators

[@frankrstorm06]

You really hit the nail in the head, but they continue to push it on the audience like is the audience responsibility to decipher what they mean or read their mind and see the intention behind it.

[@AsuranZala123]

hours and hours of talking and still no one understands.

[@Mmmm-tx6qc]

I agree 100% To overexplain: As a more emotional person It's very very difficult and requires alot of tough conversations and sometimes professional help but what emotional people need to realize is that very few people will cater to those emotions for very long and it sucks to deal with and hear but its reality. People in max's case need to step back emotionally from these relationships and get some help to better regulate themselves and evolve to fit tougher environments cause that's what the world is, tough. You are your own responsibility at the end of the day.

[@clivemyrie4209]

Christ, I hate her laughter when she gets caught on something.

[@LL-dk5lb]

Thank god I'm not the only one.

[@Lemonteaxi]

This feels like such a giant waste of time. Someone who NEVER takes accountability isn’t fun to listen to. Constantly telling people “you just don’t understand why I did this” as a justification for saying crazy shit is grinding.

[@trayyoutube]

I don’t even know why channels keep having this girl on She’s literally full of hot air

[@jarad9946]

Every minute of lav stream is a knife in the back of creditable genuine good woman on the platform. Literally creating misogyny.

[@misterkitty8613]

She's just one woman. Anyone that sees her and goes "OMG ALL WOMEN" are just... either too far gone, or too mentally unstable to care much about.

[@blakethetank]

It would be so different if she would just be willing and open to change or bend. She says she isn't a debater and doesn't have a need to be right but comes on stream and has to be right lol.

[@handsomebear.]

Why would you judge all women after the behaviour of one? You're literally the incel Destiny is talking about lol. Lav can be toxic, delusional and narcissistic without staining other women... ...just like _the very few_ actual abusers among men don't stain the rest of us...except if you're a conspiratorial feminist who's completely bereft of sympathy or any kind of consideration for men like Lav, ofc :v

[@blakethetank]

@@handsomebear. I don't believe his comments imply he is participating.

[@kolgang02]

@@handsomebear. “men like lav” brev 💀💀

[@ChipCheerio]

Damn with every Lav and Mr. Girl video that gets put out I realize just how grounded Aba is.

[@sinisterpink9907]

Lav makes me appreciate EVERY OTHER orbiter so much more

[@ABetterName22]

The huge issue with Lav is that she gets criticized and understands the criticism but then doesn’t use it to make anything better. She just writes everything off as oh that’s just how I am or blames trauma and makes excuses. Her excuses are valid sometimes but at the end of the day if you understand that you have issues because of trauma and you choose not to deal with those issues and to just continue to make excuses for them instead that’s a huge character flaw that you need to work on. Holy shit and as soon as I write this comment out the other girl on the stream brilliantly points this out.

[@dapperdave4207]

Anytime Lav responses to anyone pushing back on her it’s one of three things: 1.“yeah that’s what I meant” 2.“yeah that’s what I was saying” 3. “that’s what I just explained”

[@xHelloElla]

'Hurt people hurt people' When lav said this it summed it all up for me. When people use their trauma and background as an excuse for their current behaviour. It doesn't matter if you're in therapy if you have the same behaviour and use your childhood as a shield.

[@relly793]

this is a excuse. hurt people do not always hurt people. a lot of hurt people refuse to hurt other people due to it too

[@richybambam1995]

The most funny thing about an "empathetic" person is that a lot of the time they are just calling you stupid. The reason you don't agree with them is just because you don't understand. If you did understand you'd know that they are right in what they want you to agree with but you're just not getting it.

[@TheSkyrimps3]

You can understand what a person is thinking and/or feeling and still believe they’re wrong.

[@sargeteg5927]

Yes, that's pretty much the reason given for Mr Girl's ban (telling others they are too stupid to understand him) and it was Lav's defense for shit talking behind Destiny's back and then telling Destiny he misunderstood and that there's context. She then handwaived everything away with "If you took a bit of time to understand our communication style, you could potentially get somewhere". I don't get how these kind of people can have friends who don't lose their minds after getting put through the manipulation cycle.

[@JonSnuh]

Is it just me or does anyone else find erudite and Brittany's opinions of Max to be incredibly vindictive? He's attacked both of them personally on how their professions in the online sphere can be abused and neither of them can move passed it. It's really cringe.

[@bean-pod]

Calling it now: Lav will say something in public attacking Destiny (again) & she'll do another 4hr stream "explaining" herself (again). I give it 4 weeks TOPS and the bridge will finally implode.

[@l.sibisi7741]

She will be back so afterwards. She loves attention.

[@johnsed273]

"Sure" - Lav Translation: I am acknowledging you said words and now im going to talk.

[@storytellerplays]

Lav is the female version of Mitch

[@Tookieslam]

True

[@Dielawn69]

Omfg Lav's defense for Max at like 39:00 was so insane.

[@TheLumberjack1987]

"Lav is not a stupid person" is something Steven regrets ever having said and now he's too proud to admit that he was 100% wrong when he said that.

[@thegamingkitchen8429]

Wants to fight for a space that is less misogynistic to welcome women in a more friendly enviroment. *Brings Lav on.

[@jeffswift6320]

Weasel is exactly what she is. 100% no doubt. The explanation is always different and there’s always an excuse about abuse rather than taking responsibility and just owning for herself that the abuse made her some way. Plenty of people have been abused and learned to grow from it, she uses it as a back pedal every single time. Edit: best example was when the other person tells her to think about what her mom would do and rather than try to work towards that she just explains it away and pretends it can’t be done.

[@tylorban]

Can someone explain why TF Destiny is so endlessly charitable for Lav? What has she done or what does she know that he continually placates her BS. Maybe he just sees a potential we can’t

[@TheTwenty42]

She is a cute girl who brings clicks. His sub count has exploded since the drama arc started. I personally find it very boring and I miss the political debate content, but apparently this shit is what people like.

[@tylorban]

@@TheTwenty42 bummer. Fair take

[@aidanhearn4210]

@@tylorban It's like watching a traffic accident. You can't look away no matter how messy and unbelievable it gets. Her and Max illicit GREAT reactions from Steven so that keeps it entertaining in short bursts

[@relly793]

being a woman

[@WooTainG]

Man, can someone please just tell lav that she is indeed a bad person? All she does is say inflammatory things and then just weasel out of them. She is a walking gaslight with a "teehee i'm just damaged" complex.

[@daemok4752]

Being empathetic doesn't solve the issue at hand, you either have to show that the person has the correct understanding of the situation (reinforcing her position and feelings) or challenge them if their understanding is incorrect. In Lav's case, she has the wrong understanding so Destiny tries to correct it. Being empathetic only means to be able to put yourself in someone else shoes as if you were living it yourself, that doesn't mean that you have to let their feelings overwhelm you the same way their overwhelmed them. Steven is in problem solving mode like most men who critically think are, but Lav would like Steven to be in braindead mode (just agree with everything I say without questioning any of it) which only leads to more of this stupid Lav shit.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

Challenging them if their understanding is incorrect wouldn't be empathetic. agreeing with them, taking their position because that's how they feel, would be empathetic, and then not saying anything about it because you know it will cause, upset, confrontation, would be empathetic, saying something confrontational, or disagreeing, would not be empathetic.

[@shaungraen3892]

@@fergusdenoon1255 dead wrong. you can be both empathetic and confrontational at the same time. Having empathy doesn’t mean “being nice because you know it hurts their feelings”. Having empathy means that you understand their position so much where you can not only explain the situation at hand, but also exactly how the situation is making them feel. Having that understanding of someone else’s perspective and emotions doesn’t now mean you have to 100% agree or give 0 pushback to show empathy. Your response here is why Destiny said that most people who use the word empathy really just mean “agree with me”

[@Bentbire]

@@shaungraen3892 Righteous, correct, based, even

[@DoubleYouDotTrump]

@@fergusdenoon1255 I see where you're coming from, and I understand why you feel the way you do; however your perception is flawed, if you could see it from MY perspective you'd _understand_ that *you're wrong.*

[@shaungraen3892]

@@DoubleYouDotTrump you were so close to empathy, if only you just agreed with him to save his feelings

[@SpikedPinapple]

I've finally gotten to the point where I can't listen to Lav anymore. My girlfriend literally moves to another room if I play a video with her.

[@Ridistrict]

Lav: is told that her misunderstanding of empathy is that she really thinks it means "you won't agree with me" Also Lav: clarifies that she actually means "you won't tell me what I want to hear"

[@momatotsosrorudodi]

"I have anti-social behavior disorder so I think it's really unfair to hold me accountable for my anti-social behavior. Show some empathy."

[@samtilden4452]

I can confirm that I am unwilling AND unable to provide emotional care to Lav

[@wigglewaggle4110]

I'm no doctor, but I think Lav might be in love with an idealized version of Max that lives in her head because of their first interaction, wherein he threw a slew of highly abusive statements at her, and generally just shouted her down every time she spoke. It seems like Lav is the type of person who gets a rise out of that, and her first personal impression of Max has triggered a love bombing cycle, he can literally do no wrong in her eyes, no one can convince her otherwise, at least until her idealized image of Max is inevitably shattered, and she completely flips on him.

[@lunaloveless7234]

Omg girl lav you have to LEARN how to identify your emotions in real time and how to stop what you are doing when you act toxic. You literally are just excusing it. We know it's hard but that doesn't mean you don't put in the work to try and figure it out. I have bipolar disorder and I've struggled with this for a long time. My life became so much better when I stopped acting on impulse in my intense emotions and over time I got super good at noticing it in the moment. Just stop what you're doing and think when you get over emotional. Take a step back, a break and rethink it. Over time you literally won't have to do that anymore you'll start doing it in real time.

[@lunaloveless7234]

I still don't get why she's considered so young and thats why she acts like a 16 year old at 24? She comes off as someone who has been heavily enabled this entire time into not having to learn how to regulate her emotions. She's 24 lmao that's not young. You're kicked out of youth mental health programs at that age and you're a year away from being fully mentally developed and in mist cases you probably already are because development happens at different rates for everyone.

[@storytellerplays]

Lav is quite litterally unaware of how unintelligent she is. She is like ego incarnate. It's horrifying.

[@storytellerplays]

@@AkaiKnight it's my opinion that it is her ego that is preventing her from taking that responsibility.

[@ATHF346]

Two words: No accountability. Also hot take: Lav doesn’t care about Max, she’s an enabler and will watch as this man destroys himself. If Max needs help, he needs to stay off the internet and get serious help. Lav’s “advice” is completely counterintuitive to what might actually be best for him.

[@SupaDupaDanga]

When Lav says MrGirl should surround himself with people that like him or want to be with him or whatever, she's missing the point that an audience exists to consume the art/content someone makes. No amount of individuals who understand Mrgirl will help him build an audience. If you're going to be controversial that's fine, no one has to stick around. No amount of "you don't understand him" will persuade someone to stay, because they do understand. They won't stay even by understanding, that's how fucked up people like Lav and Mrgirl can be to some people

[@TheKomentor]

I'm just happy to see old faces like Pixie and Mindwaves return to the Destiny orbit. Especially Mindwaves, who is responsible for one of my favourite Destiny debates ever where the Cormantine and Cole James Cash drama happened. Also I like Mindwaves' musical voice.

[@lordfifth3106]

I was wondering why on earth Lav was back but then I saw the release date. BIG sigh of relief

[@averageandy7331]

The idea that Max is some mysterious super complex individual that no one understands and that's why people don't like him is absurd. People don't like Max BECAUSE everyone understands exactly what he is.

[@drewvarn]

I would prefer never having contact with another human being for the rest of my life than to associate with any of these people.

[@ZChoate]

Think about the movie "Joker". If you can't empathize with that character, you lack empathy. But if you can't admit that character is a bad person, you lack intellectual honesty.

[@aeiouaeiou100]

26:59 This is the best advice for Lav. Stop doing this shit public. I get it that that is how she makes money but holy shit why would you do any of this stuff public.

[@shaungraen3892]

I have steelmanned Lav’s opinions plenty of times but I am so tired of her constantly explaining every movement she does as “a normal human thing”. *does something shitty* “I think that’s just a normal human response idk”

[@DoubleYouDotTrump]

*Ahem* bitch, you're a public figure, "normal" isn't good enough. To exist in this space - the way you do - you need to be _exceptional._

[@Berliozboy]

"I also really appreciate [Max] in this space. I think that for the first time I saw someone who was like me, who made me feel less bad about being the way that I was." she really just makes it up as she goes along. There's no way that this is her reason for appreciating him...I don't think she's EVER professed this sentiment before.

[@andrewnguyen4801]

The only time Lav communicates well is when Max is feeding her lines/opinions to say. But then its coming from Max... not much better

[@jhanalexander5377]

Max sounds like the abusive partner who got kickout of Steven s house but wants to justify his actions by saying everyone has a right to defend themselves therefore I should have the right to beat you in your house and not be kicked out because we have a partnership. Lav is saying he has ptsd he doesn't mean it. Thats 12 hours of this summed into 2 sentences.

[@kraftdinna5650]

Lav is such an absolute narcissist. Why doesn’t she just read comments with some actual objectivity and she’ll find so much truth

[@DoubleYouDotTrump]

@Comfy Reviews even more than that, they'll convince themselves that there's a cabal of "actual narcissists" plotting against them. Seen it first hand with my crazy ex

[@AspienWaifu]

She reminds me a lot of my mom, who was my abuser, who is ironically much like her mother- or who Lav CLAIMS her mother was. I'm skeptical as to whether anything she has said is truthful or not, they lie so damn much.

[@ShinyFood]

i mean at some point it must feel odd to see so many people judge every single thing you do. still, she could definitely get some hints of truth and try to improve

[@onebigd313]

Either she isn't as smart as Steven thinks she is or she really good at hiding it

[@inatani0]

I think Lav's behaviour would even trigger Dr. K.

[@superhello443]

Thank you Dan for adding so much to this conversation. Fuel, I mean.

[@amandaspear6148]

😂🤣😂🤣 Thank baby Jesus for Dan the man

[@BlaqAdam]

Lav is literally always trying to have it both ways. She'll disagree, give a bullshit reason, and when they correct her she agrees even though the statement completely contradicts what she just said. And continues this cycle endlessly.

[@DwarfullyNotTall51]

It feels like for Lav every criticism thrown at her is just someone asking her to explain her such very complicated origin story when all anyone wants is for her to just literally say the words "I fucked up when I_____.."

[@zStarr69]

You can only choose 1 - A. Lav id unbearable to watch B. Destiny is a girls name Go

[@rriveror27]

Im new to this community, last video I actually liked Lav. But now after seeing this I’m starting to understand why Lav is unlikable.

[@CLowe693]

Lav and Mr Girl turned this channel into jersey shore 😂

[@DoubleYouDotTrump]

Ah, number 3 on my list of US cities I could live without (after LA and Portland).

[@DeadpoolX9]

@@DoubleYouDotTrump you know LA is more than Hollywood right?

[@DoubleYouDotTrump]

@@DeadpoolX9 yes, and?

[@harveyweir8061]

Lav: says mind numbingly stupid shit Destiny: wait no what did you just say, that's dumb Lav: laughs to aggressively stop Destiny from addressing her point before pivoting

[@MaxPowers2.0]

Wow y’all have some incredible discussions…well this one is at least. This made me subscribe

[@chimichangainfusedleaf8961]

More misogany will be generated by Lav opening her mouth than the Fresh and Fit podcast will in its lifetime. Amazing.

[@dudeorduuude5211]

For someone who says she had a narc mother, she sure doesn't recognize a clear narc. He is abusive, exactly as that woman with the great questions said... he is displaying strong narc actions and people are reacting to it. Sympathy doesn't help a narc.

[@DrStrangelove_]

" He (Max) takes accountability, bites a lot of bullets, he's humble, he shows humility." So has Lav never paid attention to a single word Max has said?. Not one of those things describes him.

[@dmvbawse4265]

Lav always insults Steven and says “that’s a very normal statement” lol

[@sanudasa5652]

Can we just like let Lav and Mr. Girl go and just let their careers develop on their own?

[@another.nikhil]

I'm glad that Destiny is doing this for us. I wouldn't want people around me to behave like Lav.

[@spacemancoco]

I'm in a steady, long term, awesome relationship and still, listening to Lav talk almost makes me want to hate my GF because she's also a woman. She might be the most weasely, irresponsible person I've ever heard speak. She is singlehandedly ruining the reputation of the females of our species.

[@DoubleYouDotTrump]

Luckily she has a lot less exposure than it seems like to us regular viewers. The people whose perception would be most fucked by interacting with Lav don't watch Destiny in the first place.

[@LL-dk5lb]

I don't blame you. I'm female and she's making me hate myself.

[@santieldasavage]

44:00 and forward explained beautifully

[@marrrrry.elllllen]

Ok. I'm sick of people saying lav is young. She's fucking 24. Am I missing something? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate her, I actually agree with her on quite a few things. But the way she acts towards people...bro. People can't keep cutting that age excuse because 1, she won't actually learn anything valuable and practical and 2, because 24 isn't 16. I'm 29. I understand that from a certain perspective we're both young... But old enough to know better. There is a 0.01% chance I could have gotten away with acting the way she does when I was 24. I'm not calling her dumb, she's not. But not everybody gets the privilege of being a slow learner. Every fucking thing she does, someone else has to chime in and remind us of her birthday. It's old, dude. Just like you.

[@l.sibisi7741]

it's strange because destiny is a parent and he should know it bad to excused bad behavior even with kids. wrong is wrong no matter how old, you are

[@marrrrry.elllllen]

@@l.sibisi7741 like, I get it, I still did dumb shit at 24. But I didn't have a flock of people reiterating how young I was and how I shouldn't experience the full consequences of my mistake. They are really treating her like she's 16 and it's kinda pathetic. It nullifies any argument against her and any actual "accountability". I understand destiny is interested in the "growth process". But I haven't seen a ton of growth. Just a bunch of excuses for why there isn't any "growth".

[@thetimssportstalk3160]

Bruh, this conversation turned me into darius. 😂 “SHUT THE FUCK UP LAV AND GET OFF THE INTERNET!” 😂😂

[@therealblackout3659]

Kids get their understanding of friendship and loyalty from books and movies. Sure when there's a war, when a king is trying to kill you and your family, you stand together with your mates through thick and thin. (Truth is though, in such an extreme situation, a person being "mean" or "disloyal" in some superficial way means almost nothing.) Kids (up to 25ish) haven't had enough serious complications to understand that loyalty does NOT mean compromising your standards for another person. Friendship is NOT entitlement to special privileges. Friendship is an endearment between two people. Sometimes it's just a feeling and sometimes a promise, sometimes both. Consider "endearment" though, what it means. You love chocolate cake, but you're on a diet. Despite the fact that you love it, you avoid it. That doesn't mean you no longer love chocolate cake. You avoid the cake to meet a goal/standard but no "feelings" are lost for the cake. If You eat the cake, because you love it, you wouldn't be doing the "right" thing. In other words: Just because I love my friend doesn't mean I'm going to wreck my life or compromise my principles for them. At it's most brutal: If whether "I" eat or "you" eat was the only decision that had to be made, "I" would eat. If you're my "friend" then I won't eat in front of you, but you don't get my portion. You understand? This is reality kiddos..

[@hian]

People need to stop confusing sympathy with empathy. Empathy is just a person's ability to understand what other people are feeling and thinking - putting yourself in other people's shoes. It has nothing to do with being positively predisposed towards what other people are thinking or feeling. Confusing this is ironically why so many people end up getting manipulated by charismatic psychopaths and other people on the anti-social spectrum - because they go around expecting anti social personalities to be socially clueless like they've got heavy aspergers or autism. Conversely, it's also why people feel comfortable calling others "lacking empathy" rather than grappling with the fact that your feelings aren't a cruise-control for sympathy or care.

[@Laeuskong]

Dear god. Why is she still here..? Imo, the whole "lets have discussions" with the "new" orbiters arc is all just very fucking boring and the peak of this whole thing is this orbiter drama.

[@PandaBrrr]

It's the whole blue pill sinking in on everyone. She complains that people don't take her feelings into account yet will go have "conversations" telling people they are wrong because she thinks it's this way not that bit she hasn't thought about it that much.

[@PandaBrrr]

There is a a thought distortion called black and white. Lav has a bunch of it

[@billyandersen2570]

What I took away from this convo was that Dan has a really sweet streaming room with a really sweet Muriel.

[@retropyro]

I want to hear Lav spell "accountability" before she uses the word.

[@dudeorduuude5211]

She likes him because he is the same as her mother. Toxicity is comfortable. She should run far away.

[@lukefaccenda1467]

Lav thinks she's way more interesting and nuanced than she is. Probably cause she's young but it's very similar to Mr Girl. The 2 of them together is too much. Just reinforcing eachothers victim narratives.