Why People don't like 343's Soundtracks | How to make Halo Infinite’s music memorable

Halo 4 and 5's soundtracks are commonly criticized by people. The argument is that they are "generic" and don't sound like proper halo music. In this video we will break down 343's musical choices and why they fail to sound like "Halo"
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[@LateNightHalo]

Looks like they listened!! Welcome back, halo’s iconic OST :)

[@anthonykremer2132]

I love the Halo soundtracks, particularly 1, 4, and 5. Your video did a fantastic job of putting into words as to why I believed each brought something to the table in their own specific way. I particularly enjoyed your "Original Trilogy = Cosmic Sound v. 4/5 = Character and Story driven sound" argument. It was an "aha moment" for me. I'm really looking forward to the new game. I'm hoping for a blend.

[@yousefsofyan762]

Thanks for the great content! Keep it up!

[@Reivanhist]

If this turns into a repetition of old themes, I'll blame you first. The last part of God of war didn't need to play old music to make it work. It was a different approach, different music was needed. So for Halo 4, they changed the approach to the universe and characters. It needed new music, and the 4th part gave it. The only thing that is bad here is that the series lost the composer of the 4th part, and kojima in the 5th game showed that he is not capable of much. In General, this is my main fear about the new game. I'm afraid that 343 will pass back, refuse to do the job, I'm afraid that the Chief will again become just a cool guy in armor, while Halo 4 showed how complex and interesting a character he is.

[@agentspaniel4428]

The music of halo reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from star wars "Long time I watched as he looked away to the future, to the horizon, never his mind on where he was hmm what he was doing" That was my main problem with the original soundtrack too much focus on looking outwards to the horizon never HERE See the need that's right in front of you

[@scouttrooper2871]

But what's the problem with Star Wars?

[@soopcan4980]

"Orchestral crap." I'd like to have some words with your friend.

[@hainez14]

I agree, Prob the type of guy who listens to mumble rap lmao...

[@hounsdjentlow3074]

@Morrghoul I'm sorry to tell you, as another metal head, yes.

[@artloverivy]

Yeah. Hearing those words triggered an emotion I didn’t even know I had.

[@halocrafter300]

His inability to enjoy Marty’s music, was a colossal failure. Nay! It was HERESY!

[@lucaspatrick7478]

I just want to talk! *cocks gun*

[@kingaidanofto4467]

I think the soundtracks are the main reason people get nostalgic

[@smorgington]

Also art style and level design

[@RepsolParkour]

When Late Night played the 117 themes in a row in the video I got chills. In a good way, or the Halo theme, "dun, dun, dun, dun" brings back memories.

[@fontunetheteller410]

and it's killing halo

[@owendavis3500]

Nothing will make me as happy, sad, and excited all at the same time as the original halo soundtrack

[@ReachEvilCity]

FontuneTheTeller why is it killing halo?

[@lllXanderlll]

God Halo 4 looks beautiful when you see screenshots of it. Particularly when compared to Halo 5

[@RandemFellow]

Xander 'The Wolf' All 5 needs is a darker palate, and better textures.

[@lllXanderlll]

Mega Guy43 Very true

[@paladindaril]

Less roundish also XD

[@iTzKneecap]

Halo 4 was fuck ugly imo, I don't understand why people like it.

[@RandemFellow]

Youssef The textures and colors were very well done (for a 360 game). The armor looked dirty, worn yet very organic and flowing. You could tell the UNSC has been streamlining the Spartan Armor. 5's problem is that everything is so clean and smooth. Although this is okay with Forerunner buildings everything else looks like plastic.

[@hebadee2363]

Martin o' Donnel is what's missing.

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

BradVictoriam Haha! Someone should have told him that joke when they were making ODST. Ahh missed opportunities...

[@thefakebriskeh]

Hebadee pretty much

[@bruhSaintJohn]

Juan Lopes, goodle halo spartan assault the big guns That enough of drumsticks for ya?

[@salsaroja9740]

Hebadee O O F

[@salsaroja9740]

Autismo You’re right, also Blue team’s theme is really nice!

[@FrozzenSoldier]

How come nobody talks about ODST when speaking of halo soundtracks? I honestly thought it had one of the best

[@Jockster109]

+Premium Heck Yup

[@DaddyDumptruckDeluxe]

Thiscenturygames because, my friend, it was a spinoff title. not reflective of the overall canon's identity. it was and still is considered more of a particular vignette, subject to less scrutiny and not cohesive with the established overture of Halo.

[@romand271]

Thiscenturygames how about Halo Legends and Halo Wars? Their OSTs are awesome too

[@TheRageEnterprise]

because odst didnt sound like halo. it had good music, but it simply wouldnt fit in halo ce for example

[@Jockster109]

It wouldnt fit in CE, because its a different type of halo game. Its still halo, but your an isolated marine. Not a supersoldier who never was completely isolated. You always had someone with you as MC, being cortana, arby, blue team or marines. ODST is halo with a different atmosphere needed. The music creates that atmosphere and establishes ODST is its own story.

[@_Caspergers_]

What I find a little funny is that Halo 4 did Mass Effect music better than Mass Effect's sequels did. But something I think some people forget is that Halo CE had its fair share of 80's throwback synth tracks, like Covenant Dance, that didn't really make a reappearance in the trilogy. Though Halo Wars did a great job in blending the tech and orchestral sound that I thought Halo 4 needed and was trying to go for, especially since the environments were very reminiscent of Halo Wars.

[@highviewarts]

Cats Purr Tracks like Cloacked in Blackness, First Step, Choreographite, Lions and Tigers and..., Arborea Above all stuck out to me that had electronics in them and imo they used them well.

[@as7river]

You talking shit about ME 2 and 3's soundtracks? *rolls up sleeves* Listen here, you little shit...

[@daklr2501]

The repetitive use of lockes song is annoying to me

[@daklr2501]

You can't Locke down lockes soundtrack

[@daklr2501]

Also I don't like the theme of halos new music it doesn't feel that good

[@highviewarts]

Dank Lord Though it is fitting to the ratio of Blue Team to Osiris missions. You can't hate the soundtrack for trying to fit the game. It'd be odd to hear the old theme / the 117 theme while playing as Osiris. And in my opinion, I think the Osiris theme is very fitting for them and is well composed.

[@Raycevick]

Watching this video just made me realize how much Kazuma's score isn't used to control pace. Using Halo 3's layers in that Halo 5 level really highlights how much subtle layers and build up add to the experience. I had more fun watching that level with H3's music than I did playing it. It's a shame because while Halo 4 missed an opportunity to transition from Marty's style into the new, 343 did use music to great effect in its levels; Requiem's reveal, the Composer being taken, 117 while in the Broadsword, etc.

[@LateNightHalo]

pretty much my thoughts. the score in H5 didnt add much

[@VainerCactus0]

You should watch this guy LNG, he has some excellent videos talking about Halos 1 through 4 and next year 5.

[@dausefulmarker]

kazuma? i got tripped, thinking of a different kazuma

[@SaberRexZealot]

@@dausefulmarker Kazuma Kiryu

[@batterysurf]

Its missing that sense of wonder and exploration.

[@CPLTarun]

Wonder, exploration, *and mystery* too. That's what I adore about O'Donnell and Salvatori's halo work

[@Firex00]

But that choir song at the start of Reunion gets me every time. Really gives me a feel of an exocit and unexplored place, just like the planet Genesis is

[@allenrakanovic9745]

Firex in older halos every track got me every time

[@Onxide]

batterysurf Halo 4 felt a LOT like Halo CE IMO.

[@antoniobrignoni3722]

you forgot desperation

[@remnantgaming716]

This is easily one of my favourite videos on KZbin. The way you articulate your points is spot on, your ability to constructively analyse topics is beyond respectable and the way you say everything I've always wanted to tell my friends is honestly inspiring, which ultimately has re-sparked my passion for Halo and I feel whole again. So thank you for this incredible content and keep up the good work c:

[@phillipmorales8213]

Damn bro!!!! 343 NEEDS TO HIRE YOU!!! That sounds SO much better, I feel like 343 could really use your opinion.

[@highviewarts]

Phillip Morales He should totally be the community manager

[@KrOnIc343]

Phillip Morales Late Night Gaming & The Act Man need to make desicions on the direction of halo

[@phillipmorales8213]

I am glad I'm not the only one that thinks he should be hired! I'm also glad how friendly this community has gotten

[@highviewarts]

Phillip Morales Thats mostly because a lot of the extreme negative, narrow-minded haters have given up spending time into hating this game or playing it. A lot of who's left are the people who wants what's generally best for the game, or at least are open to other opinions.

[@phillipmorales8213]

Mackan Mygga I was not aware of issues with Halo 5 Forge can you tell them to me? And Forge got a new update it should run on yours

[@Classyham]

inability to Locke down ;) But i agree that while the music itself is composed well, it doesn't seem like the composer played the game.

[@subfuscous987]

Classyham he didn't

[@Classyham]

theres the main issue then!

[@SussyFortnite]

It's not halo it's...... something else

[@eduardocorona7084]

That edit was fuckin beautiful

[@JustMRR34P3R]

Eduardo Corona yes it went good with it soo beautiful

[@jonny45k44]

Eduardo Corona It's really impressive how he shows us the music can actually change the entire games outlook.

[@dalenixon6981]

L A Y E R S

[@sicsempertsundere993]

Didn't he kill his own point by using old Halo music for the edit though?

[@bruhSaintJohn]

Sic Semper Tsundere, one of the tracks was from the Spartan Assault. And let's put it that way, this is what happens when Tom Salta tries to write a soundtrack for Halo 2 and absolutely succeeds at that. Sure that's a bold claim, but listen to a few tracks and you'll get it.

[@banzaiboy1597]

There was also a "vocal community" that complained about Halo 4's story. Thus became the departure of Chris Schlerf and the arrival of Brian Reed. Kappa

[@fanamatakecick97]

My complaint about Halo 4’s music deals with this: We’re playing as the Master Chief, we need HIS themes The Rookie had his jazz Noble 6 had his hard rock Master Chief needs his monks and orchestra EDIT: In retrospect, Halo 4 would not be the same and would feel off if it had the classic Halo theme

[@ghosttoast3632]

117 was SO good though. But I understand.

[@ratkeep]

chief also gets a bit of rock but yeah, you worded it pretty well edit: i’m dumb, ignore this comment edit 2: i’m dumb ignore the previous edit

[@fanamatakecick97]

@@ratkeep Steve Vai 🤘

[@ratkeep]

@@fanamatakecick97 🤘

[@YodaOnABender]

Bruh… halo 4 literally gave chief his own theme

[@martingreer2714]

Your replacement was much better than the original in the halo 5 mission

[@fontunetheteller410]

wrong

[@eidolon1426]

@@fontunetheteller410 Nah, he's got a point.

[@dbkwk9]

I feel the same way. The start feels ommnimous and has a sense of discovery. The original had the same feel but didn't need the long silence and loud choir.

[@LateNightHalo]

Thank you for sharing these types of videos around

[@sniperarcher7630]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment you and Act man are now only you tubers who are doing these complainement videos other halo you tubers already gived up because 343 didnt remade halo 5 campaign they won't care about us all they care about is there own work they doesnt care about that what bungie did in past they are doing there own halo stories now they are not going to listen bungie fans they listen there own fans and most of 343 fans hate bungies halo Art style and 343 hated bungies work on halo so my opinion is 343 started to change halo because they hated bungies halo games

[@RobbazCorgiPikaPikaMadaFaka]

Okay, I'm going to try and give a detailed and meaningful comment regarding that scene at 13:20 and you're editing at 14:40. First of all, your notes during that scene were very helpful pointing out what we were looking for. The awkward silence from the start to the overpowering male choir masking the dialogue. Then the music just ends from the Elites onward? That's the part that just shocked me because I couldn't believe that there were entire sections just void of BGM (Background Music) like they ran out of tape. It's a mistake and amateur would make, not an entire studio. Now for your editing at 14:40 I tried my best to listen to every detail. The female vocal and brass at the beginning that builds up to a more full choir. It adds more emotion and meaning to the dialogue and the environment. Then light piano notes add emphasis to that one spartan's comment "This place is incredible". Then the best part comes along when the bass starts playing during your first encounter with the covenant. Which then slowly starts building up to a familiar theme that I know and love. Almost like it's reintroducing you to an enemy you fought before. I can't quite tell if it's from Halo 2 or Halo 3, but I'm leaning more towards Halo 2 because that's the one I played the most and remember dearly. So, in conclusion, I'm shocked at the amateur mistakes made by 343. Having sections void of BGM without purpose is just unacceptable. Your edit, on the other hand, felt like that's what that scene should have sounded like. I felt more immersed in the surroundings and the dialogue seemed to have more meaning to their words. Then brought back a feeling of familiarity when the bass plays during your conflict with the covenant. I didn't even notice it was older music till that part played. I hope my comment was helpful and not all over the place. I really enjoy these types of community videos because it feels like our comments actually matter and will be taken into account. So please continue these.

[@LateNightHalo]

MoppyPuppy I don't think the personal story is the issue at all. The issue is 5 INSTANTLY trying to be AS distant as possible from its characters

[@opo2834]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment How you edited the music in form 14:40 to 17:30 was superb.

[@zekebranch8381]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment Do you think the use of "The Trials" on the mission The Breaking helped get that epic feel?

[@Aidanrvb09]

To answer your question, when you edited the music, you made it 1000% better! It sounded just like a classic Marty score!

[@Aidanrvb09]

That said, it also sounds like Halo music. I don't see how the music is a break from the traditional music

[@MrShooter16]

Big Denny Even with 343's worst sounds in that clip, it was so perfect!

[@BOLPutube]

Big Denny Because it was a classic Marty score. It was Out of Shadow from Halo 3.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

The dialogue delivery in Halo 5 is so damn lifeless.

[@LateNightHalo]

classicMaxReviews yeah, the voice acting/direction is quite poor.

[@rulingmoss5599]

The voice acting wasn't bad, but the dialogue ruined it.

[@FODeath117]

I feel that the biggest difference between both versions of the halo series has to do with the marines. With bungie, the marines had courage. They wanted to fight! They're weren't scared of anything, like you could hear them shouting "YEA" from a distance after you heat shot a grunt. I feel like that's the huge change that's occurred. The marines were there to kick ass. Rather than being formal and being so worried. Idk that's just what I think.

[@mitsoshalokiller]

Agrred..the banter man oh the banter made the tings so alive

[@VainerCactus0]

Hey you stole my kill! And of course my old fav from CE "Get up so i can kill you again!" Good times.

[@VainerCactus0]

Hey you stole my kill! And of course my old fav from CE "Get up so i can kill you again!" Good times.

[@VainerCactus0]

Hey you stole my kill! And of course my old fav from CE "Get up so i can kill you again!" Good times.

[@FODeath117]

VainerCactus 0 Exactly. And when the master chief shows up, everyone was like "Oh thank GOD he's here"

[@carlosspicyweiner6293]

The new soundtracks are too digital and sci fi oriented. They don't make use of as many traditional instruments like the classic halos used. All the originals needed where a violin, piano, drums, and choir and that was halos identity as a space opera. Now it's over saturated sci fi shite with too much going on and lacks the elegance of simplicity.

[@spiritj1359]

Carlos Spicy Weiner I like halo 5's soundtrack

[@carlosspicyweiner6293]

Halo 5 and 4 both have amazing soundtracks. It's good, closer to the the original halo's in many ways (more so than halo 4 in some respects) but it is still lacking what makes halo sound like halo, and that's simplicity. This isn't 343's fault, they proved with spartan assault, halo 2 anniversary, and halo wars 2(beta) that they can make amazing halo sounding music. They just don't implement it were it counts for some reason.

[@zalrohglekgolo6149]

HCE and H2 had more synthetic and digital instruments and sounds on it's soundtrack than your remembering. Marty worked mostly digital until Halo 3 when he decided everything needed to be 64 piece orchestra. there's a heavier presence to keyboard synths, electric drums, really synthy violins. I personally dont understand the "too digital an sci-fi oriented" remark considering it always sounded that way, with the exception of a few key songs that didn't from HCE, which were few and far between.

[@carlosspicyweiner6293]

The majority of the tracks on CE and H2 were less digital than halo 4 and 5. Halo 3 is the perfect blend, as is halo wars, halo wars 2, spartan assault. The ones which were primarily digital were still at least accompanied by heavy orchestral. Covenant dance for example has much of what defines halo in it, but it also has some digital in it. No where near as much as songs on halo 4 and 5s soundtrack.

[@drakeday731]

Osiris Suite Act 3 is completely instrumental. Love it but not disagreeing. Edit: It's act three not one. My bad!

[@LateNightHalo]

Here’s a year-later followup to this video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpS6gpxqj9BoidU

[@valen9835]

The biggest problem with the Halo sounding tracks is that they don't fit very well with the gameplay that plays more like a run of the mill shooter. The blueteam music you played sounds good, but it's quiet and is enveloped by the loud and out of place sound effects for the weapons, and spartan abilities, and just about everything really.

[@hcs626]

i dont care about being "respectful" to someone. You earn respect in my opinion.

[@houselightkell]

Anyone else see resemblance to opera?

[@LateNightHalo]

Phoenix that’s a very hostile mindset. Treat others as you want to be treated. Be friendly, not antagonistic or judgmental until they do something that earned your respect

[@MW-tq6wd]

My real question is how did you know the title of the game two years before it was announced and literally a year after halo 5 release

[@korbinmorquecho2715]

When he edited that one scene from halo 5 it made me realize that its problem might not have been (entirely) its storytelling. The surreal music playing subtlety made what chief and his team had to say sound more interesting.

[@VenomSnake00]

You are easily the most articulated and educated channel on talking about halo. You have a very good argument and make me understand why some people like 343's Halo universe (which is at times hard for me to see). Very good video!

[@LateNightHalo]

Shadow Moses I'm glad you're enjoying :)

[@jonny45k44]

Shadow Moses It's sad because he states in the very beginning of his videos to judge everything and everyone fairly. Yet you can can go on Waypoint and his comment sections and see where that is blatantly ignored....

[@botgreg4920]

Saint Jiub The Eradicator I agree but don't forget the act man and halo follower

[@tumomentoemprendedor7085]

Halo 2 has the beat soundtrack , with fucking braking benjamin !!

[@DaddyDumptruckDeluxe]

salvador chinchilla lol.....

[@Jdog47892]

salvador chinchilla I loved that Halo 2 had the Breaking Benjamin music for Blow me Away

[@MrShooter16]

Jdog Gaming Yup. Sadly, Halo 2 Anniversary didn't have Breaking Benjamin. Bungie had a deal with Breaking Benjamin, that Bungie could use Blow Me Away as they please. Plus, Breaking Benjamin apparently was in a bit of a mess, therefore Microsoft and 343 didn't want to go for originality, when it came to Blow Me Away.

[@thegrandduke8968]

Odst and Reach come at a close 2nd for me. The jazz sections were incredible and the intensity in reach was crazy especially in "Engage"

[@solidsnake9477]

salvador chinchilla Nope, Halo 1 has the best.

[@vasred4265]

Not sure why many rain death on Halo 4 & 5's soundtracks. I love many of their tracks. Kazuma is awesome. Sacrifice, 117, To Galaxy, Blue Team, Osiris Act 1 & 3, etc. I love them more than some other tracks. But out of the original trilogy, the Halo 1 soundtrack is still the best.

[@adamjacobsson7999]

+Valdric Lim Halo 4/5's tracks are awesome but they are not halo or atleast most of them

[@paladindaril]

They are good OST but it does not fit in in the halo universe

[@vasred4265]

***** Dude..... Didn't LNG stated in AT LEAST TWO VIDEOS that dismissing something as "generic" is a a form of weak criticism? Sigh.

[@ryrin6091]

I really could not tell most of halo 5's OST apart from generic hollywood actions movies. And the fact that "generic" is use a lot as criticism doesn't make it any less valid. It's a perfectly apt word to describe halo 5's OST. That's why it's used a lot.

[@isaace436]

Frank O'Connor Just needs to suck it up and higher Marty, yes, the other composers are good, but Marty needs a chance to bring something new. Star Wars 7 still used John Williams, and yet no one can say it isn't new. I think of all things at this point in the series the most important thing is gaining lost ground, they improved somethings and made some things part of it now that weren't before, but they lost so much ground changing everything, much of it because they could and no real reason. They threw away Halo 4, marginalized the first trilogy, and took steps back in many ways, all while adding things no one wanted and or halo doesn't need. In addition to a whole lot of changes game play and feature wise, and basically a story master piece to save the series from Halo 5, they need to revive Halo's spirit, which is it's music, and I don't think anyone can do that but Marty.

[@salsaroja9740]

Isaac E I don’t think that’s necessarily true that he’s the only one, but damn is he definitely the best man for the job.

[@TheVivapinsam]

He won't be coming back. He has his own game studio to worry about.

[@ic4192]

Marty won’t be coming back. But Tom Salta and Michael Salvatori would be spectacular hires

[@ic4192]

Salvatori worked on classic soundtracks just as much as Marty

[@borndante7254]

Lol I remember my first time playing that level 14:10 I remember thinking my game broke or something because the music stopped playing 😂

[@ctirons]

Dante226288 I was sure music played during that part.

[@JustAndre92]

I genuinely can't decide whether your replacement music arrangement during the _Halo 5_ level or your outlining of _Halo 4_ transitioning from _Halo 3_'s music and art styles to its own was the more brilliant. (Also, 343 can't _Locke_ down what they want Locke's tracks to sound like? Dohohohohoho.)

[@oneshothalo2841]

I love the way you're starting to edit your videos, late Night! I like the added humor, makes the video more fun to watch :)

[@halo3rocketlauncher905]

We need Martin back! Please come back Marty.

[@swagshoes6833]

I guess your called LATE NIGHT gaming for a reason.

[@joshualammers3127]

hah! i get it

[@groudongames7759]

BradVictoriam For me its 2:43 am

[@Elkatraz]

Early morning for me... Ah well.

[@JonatasMonte]

07:19AM here but I get to watch it during the night

[@brandonpadilla6790]

your edited version at 15:20 is amazing dude ! please do this more whenever you have the opportunity !

[@nedjennings9756]

I can tell that you really enjoy making these videos and it makes them so much easier to watch

[@0LatestBorn2Kill0]

Man, honestly, I never thought there was anyone else who noticed the details in the Soundtracks of the Halo games in this depth. You used specific examples (like the Kamchatka track that you really liked, as do I btw hehe) that I myself was thinking about, and it gave me goosebumps, no joke. And your re-edited segment on the Blue Team mission was really a much better version! I appreciate people who notice soundtracks in this way, so a really good job to you! Subscribed! :)

[@swagshoes6833]

Haven and 117 were my fav songs in 4. 5? The title screen song was cool.

[@highviewarts]

Swagshoes68 Kamchatka, Jameson Locke, Blue Team, In Absentia, Dominion, Scavengers, The Trials... Come on, give the soundtrack a better and more fair listen

[@highviewarts]

Advent, not In Absentia.

[@thegrox4825]

"The Trials" from Halo 5 is actually sounds pretty good even though it's not as good as "One Final Effort" from Halo 3

[@ryatt9365]

I love The Trials but it's pretty much just a mashup of songs from the previous games so I'm not sure how much it counts.

[@PaimenPlays]

Any other walk in the woods fans? ;)

[@ryatt9365]

Yes. Another Walk is better though.

[@DeathEnvoy]

Nice use of the Spartan Assualt Soundtrack in the edit. Never would have thought to blend it with the H2A music. You made that section so much better.

[@user-uq6mo6yw9p]

Yo that edit went so well with the game!

[@dtpiers6136]

I wholeheartedly feel that Halo' s long term success is owed almost exclusively to it's music. The original games were fantastic, but the music truly cemented Halo's identity.

[@PaimenPlays]

You know why I watch your videos? You are a really awesome talker! Ofcourse I also like Halo but you are just literally great in breaking down things and discussing! Good stuff thx for this =)

[@CepiTheNomad]

That still frame of Johnson is terrifyingly great. Also good ass edit for the music overlay on that gameplay.

[@bernardoblanchetramirez6032]

I'm super lucky, the new video comes out on my birthday!!!! 30 of November!!! I've been here since some months ago and you have been improving as a channel and person, good job

[@LateNightHalo]

thank you so much :) happy birthday!! I try to improve and do better in order to be a better entertainer for you all!

[@michaelwelsh6151]

Happy birthday

[@LifelessTooth]

Question! Did you change the title of this video after Infinite was announced, or are you just psychic?

[@fastmadcow]

Great edit of that music by the way. You made that scene seem very mysterious but brought it into a very "lets get serious" type of fashion. Halo 2 and Halo 3 mixed was very interesting. Probably my favorite part of the video. Really actually made that scene pop

[@ragewinninethousand4140]

I love you new videos. you break down arguments in a way that I like do it. and its very scholarly and not so much emotion which is professional and admirable of you. so thank you, thank you for bringing light to this.

[@Ducain_Plays]

Great video LNG!

[@kendallsmith5722]

Ducain23 OMG Ducain23?!? I loved ur old forge vids

[@SmogFTW]

I like CE, 2, 3, 3ODST, Reaches, and Halo 4s soundtrack.

[@elxslve8448]

im actually super impressed by how you edited the music when blue team first discover genesis! spent a lot of time in college studying soundtracks and how they work with picture! good job

[@stephenpaine9999]

Love how detailed you analyse is! You put a lot of time and thought into these and I feel like you represent both sides of the argument well. It's also refreshing seeing some advocate for descent and mature dialog about the content, I was beginning think there weren't many of us left! haha keep up the great work!

[@dtpiers6136]

I hated how Halo Reach's soundtrack was organized. The songs were grouped by level like the "suite" tracks from previous games, so they were all like 10 minutes long. I wish they were split up a bit to make them an easier listen.

[@117Tempest]

TylerPierson That was my biggest (and only) issue with Reach's OST tbh. The music itself was great IMO, but the organization of the soundtrack makes it harder to tie a specific piece of music to a moment in the game. At least there were a few bonus tracks like Ghosts and Glass that weren't grouped together by mission.

[@highviewarts]

TylerPierson YES. There some great sections of songs composed, but then they got grouped together with totally different songs that were generic and brought the other song down, and often the only thing linking the two was a fade transition. So poorly constructed imo.

[@JustAndre92]

Eh, _Reach_'s soundtrack was where _Halo_ music started to lose its memorable quality anyway, so really outside of a handful of tracks it's not that big a loss. Mind you, it's hard to blame Marty too much; working on the same series for a decade has gotta leave you burnt out by the end.

[@117Tempest]

GzG92 I like Reach's soundtrack a lot tbh. It's different, but It fits the setting and tone of the game well. Songs like Winter Contigency, New Alexandria, and Ghosts and Glass are easily some of the most memorable tracks in Halo IMO. I don't think it's BETTER than some of Marty's other work, but it's still very good and memorable in its own way.

[@dtpiers6136]

117Tempest Nobody is denying the music was stellar, I just had a problem with how the tracks were organized. Not really for casual listening.

[@chriswalburn3656]

LateNightGaming do you read the halo novels at all? And if so which ones are your favorite? My favorites are Halo: New Blood and the Forerunner books

[@LateNightHalo]

Chris Walburn absolutely loved the forerunner trilogy!

[@chriswalburn3656]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment yeah I love it too. I'm halfway through Silentium and I'm loving it

[@novaimperator1526]

Chris Walburn Fall of reach bruh is of course the best. Jk thats my opinion

[@fiirkan1305]

Angel Soldier My favourite is Hunters in the Dark.

[@noahsabiston6980]

Halo: Cryptum is great, but I still have to read the other two in the series

[@jericosha2842]

These videos are really awesome. Really captures what I have been thinking about 343's creations. Thanks!

[@benshropshire8991]

WOW THAT WAS GREAT, REALLY GOOD JOB, I'm genuinely impressed with the editing and video overall

[@connorrichardsonx5105]

10:42 ah LOCK down XD I'll leave

[@swagshoes6833]

6:49 Is that elite naked except for armour plates? Or am I just crazy?

[@JustAndre92]

That's 343's art design for ya...

[@ctirons]

Swagshoes68 Storm Elites have a weird design. I like the sleeveless look but other than that they should have an undersuit.

[@badcompany4821]

Just 343's Elite design. Can't stand it myself.

[@lorcan0c]

Yeah, it's quite weird. In the Halo 1-3 days, the Elites would wear a sort of form-fitting jumpsuit under their armour, which would be a dark grey colour not too different in colour from their skin, but different enough to be recogniseable as fabric. 343's elites still wear these jumpsuits, but go sleeveless, and the jumpsuit itself has way too much texture going on, so it looks too.... organic, like it is their skin/scales. It doesn''t help that the art team seems conflicted about this, as one of the Halo: Escalation comic covers depicts the Elite character Ayit 'Sevi (A merc who works for ONI under the table) in the Halo 4/5 era "Storm" armour, but without the bodysuit textured properly, so he actually DOES look naked for no discernable reason!

[@SPQRanTMan]

Keep the videos coming -- I love them! They're very thorough and well articulated.

[@hamburg978]

At first i wasn´t sure what to think about your editing with the music, but it turned out to be quite good, well done

[@nathank1399]

To be honest I actually really like reach,s ost it had a different feel that I liked but the original trilogy ost was awesome in my opinion

[@LateNightHalo]

Sleemohero Productions I didn't like Reach too much :/ the OST was a bit "sleepy" in my opinion. I didn't even enjoy the game itself haha

[@zacwells1922]

True. It love it and think it has a really nice resemblance of the halo ce soundtrack.

[@nathank1399]

That's what my friends say about the whole halo soundtrack which makes me disappointed 😔

[@GalaktischerHirnsauger]

Sleemohero Productions your friends are heretics

[@TheGoldNShadow]

@@GalaktischerHirnsauger we will burn their mongrel hides!

[@BailableBody]

15:45 didnt know that u were getting hired for halo 6's soundtrack

[@thelogzz]

I like that you used Peril from Halo 2 in the back during your discussion parts. That's one of my favorite tracks from the whole series

[@jebmassaro7370]

I wake up to the Halo 4 title screen song every morning. I love that alarm!

[@117Tempest]

Why do people hate Halo 4's menu music (Atonement)? It's one of the most beautiful pieces of music in all of Halo IMO.

[@pierredorcely9917]

Listen to "Wake me when you need me" that actually made me cry listening to it. Halo 4 didn't quite do that. Halo 5 definitely didn't pull on the heart strings.

[@jalakor]

Back when Halo 4 had just come out, I got it the Christmas of that year. I loaded it up on my Xbox 360, and let it do it’s loady-thingy. When I got to the menu, I thought I had gone into the wrong game. The music wasn’t Halo. Not the Halo I remember. Change is okay, but not always good. Reach’s Soundtrack still retained Halo vibes. Even ODST did. Just this new trilogy really messed with a lot of how Halo sounds. The gameplay, music, and campaign design are like other titles (namely Titanfall, CoD, etc.). Edit: I would like to state, that in spite of my general dislike for the music as it relates to Halo, it IS good music, just not befitting of Halo.

[@willherondale6367]

This is by far my favourite video of yours in a good long while- reminded me why I subscribed :)

[@Yuck2540]

Late Night Gaming when you played the unedited clip I was thinking of that same song that you used in the edited clip! 😆

[@alexkrystalin4869]

I'll admit the one soundtrack in halo 4 I really like is arrival it's badass but other than that I prefer halo 3 music.

[@jouebien]

I find that a lot of 343 music is empty. It just doesn't have the body and omph that the Bungies had. When you listen to a lot of Bungies music their is a lot of Jass or Blues style randomness going on which adds to the body of the music. 343 music also has a lot of repeated sections where as Bungies music was always either building up or deflating. Halo 5 main theme is lafable its like the halo 3 theme had a baby with Pirates of the Caribbean and the composer decided to use the copy paste tool 15 times. A lot of 343i music also lacks polish - it's like they skipped part of the mastering process. A lot of the 343 stuff you could through a compressor on and drop the dynamic range and its starts to flow a lot nicer. Their also isn't a lot of music from 343 music that is memorable as everything just blends together.

[@galacticguardian787]

JOUE BIEN TECH someone hasn't obviously hasn't heard the Halo 4 main menu song

[@jouebien]

Galactic Guardian which plays during the menu and not during the game.

[@galacticguardian787]

Which means that the soundtrack isn't all that shit (even tho the bungie slaves claim it to be) but more like they messed up at not putting the music in the right time in game

[@fontunetheteller410]

have you even LISTENED to Green and Blue from H4?

[@Luke-ig1xz]

I could list 71, yes 71, tracks by name that disagree with you and that's just from 4, 5, and Halo Wars 2. You could not possibly be more wrong. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it is fact.

[@cotabom]

That is some DAMN fine editing mate.

[@joshzamaki]

Your videos about how to blend the 343 and bungie styles is what makes me have fun doing that for my Halo L4D2 mods

[@Venom-gy5oi]

They probably don't have the brains to try and get Marty to work for 343.

[@darthfox45]

I love Halo 4's Soundtrack! It dared to be different but it's similar enough! It may be my favorite soundtrack of the series! I even like Halo 5's soundtrack. I love the original trilogy too! Neil Davidge, Kazuma Jinnouchi, and Tom Salta are great!

[@wolfrevenant6657]

Ricci Jacinto It's not similar at all. But I'd be totally fine if we had similar tracks in Halo 5,6 as it was way too damn beautiful!

[@phoenixdown5181]

Neil Davidge deserved another chance, in my opinion. His atmospheric music is fucking awesome. "Aliens" and "Requiem" are easily some of my favorite Halo tracks.

[@SolidusMaster117]

You got me thinking on something I did not think I needed , but many of you mention is true , great job. But you missed the original Cortana piano medley that was played on Halo's 4 main menu

[@garrickslings6113]

hard to "lock" down

[@bru6719]

What do you think of the Halo title screens and which one is your favorite? How important are title screens to games like Halo? I also noticed that the perspective moves in all of the Bungie title screens, while the 343 screens are motionless. I enjoyed the movement because it allowed the screen to focus on different things, and set the feels of the upcoming game by defining the situation you are about to be in. That said, Halo 4 does a great job of giving a sense of isolation, something I don't feel watching the other title screens. One more thing is that all of the title screens, except Halo 5, show places relevant to the story of the game. If this gets into the next Q&A that would be great, if not I'll repost it on the next video. Thanks.

[@bru6719]

Here is a site that shows all of the title screens. halome.nu/

[@cameroncunnings5498]

@Cody Hemming Halo 4's title screen is very poignant, very somber, very peaceful and dark. I remember being in awe when I heard the woman vocalizing while watching Requiem float in the background with all the wreckage of Forward Unto Dawn floating aruund as well. It was so perfect and beautiful. Also, if you stock around and listen to the main menu theme, you can hear the soundtrack play a very recognizable part that also played in Halo 3 after Chief rescued Cortana in High Charity. I think of Cortana everytime i hear that theme. As much as Halo 5 dissapointed me, I will never hate on the iconic classic theme. It's always perfect...but Halo 4's just sounded so...beautiful.

[@teletran7691]

hey Late Night great video you are my favorite Halo channel on youtube keep up the great work dude. Anyways Q&A do you think they will add local mulitpayer back with Halo 6 because if they dont oh my gosh im not getting it. Just Kidding I might but 2nd question instead of Req variqnts what if 343 let tou customize your weapons as you leveled up like adding the bayonnete at level 10 or something there are so many options for that and as I said keep up the good work you are awesome

[@houdini7374]

very nice edit of the halo 5 gameplay music, (did i hear halo 2 OST?), and i think you've done a very good analysis of the music!

[@danielko1626]

I think halo 4 is underrated

[@paladindaril]

story and gameplay was fun as hell aside the suply drop XD

[@highviewarts]

Fatran Faints Gaming It is underrated, let's be real here.

[@t-dawg5265]

While ODST is a bit overrated.

[@neighborprism6653]

ikr

[@Echo1608.]

I really liked Halo 4's soundtrack, it was a good new twist on the old themes. It also brought a lot of new themes. Look at Nemesis it's a really good eerie song that shows the oncoming evil.

[@isaiahgraham2228]

I absolutely love they way you merged Halo Wars 2's menu theme into the next track at 16:00!

[@arkonomus]

i love the editing you did at around 16 minutes.

[@internetmeta]

"New age of Halo" Again, why does Halo need to change as much as 343i are making it? I keep bringing this up but Halo's 1, 2, 3, ODST, and Reach changed/added to Halo while making it feel like Halo (Reach got a bit crazy in a few places). I get 343i are a new Dev team and all, but they haven't even once made a Halo game that didn't have a bunch of weird and most of the time not really need changes. Is it really to much to ask to get a Halo game that plays like the older Halos but still being a new Halo? I don't want H1A, H2A, or H3A, I want a new Halo game that is similar to the older ones. 343i have changed the lore, gameplay, art style, sound, and the music. The reason they give is, "well Halo has to change". I don't know I've been playing Halo for a long time started with Halo 1 when I was 8 all the way up to 5, I never thought that Halo wasn't changing before. I've seen 343i's take on Halo and to be honest, I find it forgettable. Just because you put a lot of heart into something thing doesn't mean it's good or even passable. Like I said though, I started playing Halo when I was 8 and Halo 1 is what got me into FPS games. I'm going to be 24 in just a bit and I find the more 343i changes things the more I care less about Halo. It really sucks that a game I grew up with has been changed in such a way that I no longer care about it. You people may like 343i's take on Halo and that is fine, but if they are just going to keep changing things then I'm out. I'm not going to play a game that makes mad sad. :\

[@emmanuelontiveros8094]

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[@vincentellenrieder]

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[@bernardoblanchetramirez6032]

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[@MasterChief117Aisha]

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[@bernardoblanchetramirez6032]

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[@G13-Gundam]

hey LNG what would you say is the base of halo in general, you have touched on why the music sounding other-worldly but what are your thoughts on the other parts of halo, thank you very much in advance if you use this in a Q&A

[@RiversInTheSky.]

Dude-good job editing that music! Well done. You have an ear for this. Of course we are amateurs (I don’t know your background) but I know good artistic taste when I perceive it

[@arandomelite5448]

...i miss h4s underrated story.

[@Onxide]

I thought Halo 4's soundtrack was amazing. It was a perfect blend of the old and new. A beautiful mix of classical and digital.

[@riahisama]

what do you think of the "walk softly" and "Osiris suite act 3" soundtrack in h5?

[@jackwolfe4700]

what do you know about Halo Online? I heard you vaguely mention it in one of your videos and I've been relatively curious as to what it could potentially be, if anything at all. Anything you can share will be greatly appreciated.

[@garrettyates4145]

you need to be the head director of 343

[@xWrathx67]

THAT EDIT.. Damn that was pure halo. We need good music. It's what MADE halo. I hated halo 4's ost. 117 was the only good song on it, and never forget

[@fontunetheteller410]

that's why you're an idiot

[@Dave_Chrome]

I just want to say, thank you for making this video! I agree with it 100%, and it helped me clarify my thoughts about the Halo soundtrack as a whole. This video needed to be made, and you made it :)

[@amiablecloud]

Good lord that edit with the music with the classic halo music was amazing

[@pokedexter3337]

Honestly, Halo 4 is my favorite halo soundtrack. It feels very different and sadder, but it suits the more serious and human story. That being said, the halo 5 soundtrack doesn’t really suit it. Halo 4 is also missing an awesome hard hitting song such as the original Halo Theme or the halo 3 scorpion run.

[@DiscordedHaru]

Sorry but I am not personally a fan of a lot of Halo 4's music. I absolutely hate having to use the word "generic" but that's all that really comes to me that I feel from it. Nothing in it sounds memorable. I disagree that it is 'objectively good' on the basis that just because it might match with the moods onscreen makes it good or in the moment. To me, music has to be not only memorable, but a tune I can/want to hum in my own free time when I go back to think about something. When I have memories of playing (video game name here) I want to recall certain tunes alongside the visuals of those memories...and when it comes down to it I rarely remember anything from Halo 4. A lot of the melodies were WAY too simplified (I don't know how else to describe, but a lot of those piano-led pieces sound incredibly) and I just wasn't a fan of the kaleidoscope of emotions that every single Bungie-directed Halo game gave us. I'm supposed to be playing a series that emits the "bigger than life" sensation within every pixel, and Halo 4's music didn't give me much of that...and it was hampered more by the 'ok but not great' gameplay.

[@JustAndre92]

To be fair, I think avoiding the larger-than-life feel you're referring to was a conscious choice on 343's part given the more scaled-back, intimate scope of _Halo 4_'s story, but at the end of the day, you're right: Truly great music has to be not only evocative, but intensely memorable, and most of 343's _Halo_ music simply isn't.

[@duncandl910]

Hey latenight, you're very talented! love your videos while playing h5 forge :)

[@Bioshockaholic]

The idea is pretty cool about making the menu music change after you've completed the campaign. I really liked the way you chose to show this, with the color shift and the blend to the different music. Also, personally, it would be a sort of tragic bittersweet-ness to realize, after the fact, that I can't ever hear the "pre-campaign" menu music again. And If you were to do a stellar job with the story/character development, mixing that bittersweet-ness (just over the permanent music change) and I feel like a truly deep connection would be made/reinforced with Chief/Cortana/etc.Cool video