Why "cinematic" QTEs suck the fun out of FPS games

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[@marsshadow117]

That brings up a point that I'm surprised nobody has ever mentioned. Has anyone noticed that every single first person shooter ever seems to reuse the same "hanging from a ledge" animation? What always happens is: 1. The slide down whatever collapsing structure they're on 2. Grab a hold of the ledge right at the edge with one hand 3 (the most obvious one). Look down to see their dangling feet and other hand as debris falls around them 4. They are either pulled back up by an ally or climb back up themselves.

[@gabe7933]

MarsShadow on some of angry joes reviews he criticizes the overused cutscenes like in cod

[@vickytaped]

MarsShadow I'm a Cod and Halo player and I've noticed it a lot in cod not too much in Halo

[@SubatomicMule3]

5:17

[@AntiCaesarReal]

Dragon Leader in Halo 4. That's about it.

[@LateNightHalo]

If anyone is confused. Odst's drop sequences was fine.. why? It had a skip button Reach's first person cutscenes were fine.. why? They had a skip button As long as these "cinematic" sequences have skip buttons then all is forgiven... I don't want to watch Locke jump down a cliff and assassinate an elite only to be "surprised" by an explosion every single time I replay the level. If it's skippable, it's good

[@ron948]

1 of the reasons why people keep saying Halo 5 feels/looks like a COD reskin.

[@fishymhx1365]

Those who say that are very dumb or just love talking shit lol, thats exactly like saying Colin Mcrae Rally and GTA are no different for you drive cars in both of them

[@Ethan-ib5hk]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment But if you skip then you don't get the exposition that you need. So if you wanna know what's going on then you can't really skip it.

[@Something-yo8xz]

That's why you wont(well you could) skip it the first time. If you replay the mission a second time, and you know what is going to happen, you can skip it.

[@VainerCactus0]

The whole point is you watch them the first time and then skip them all the other times you replay unless you want to watch them.

[@VecyYT]

Even Exuberant Witness hates cinematic moments. Exuberant Witness: *I HAVE CONTROL AGAIN*

[@Raycevick]

I was okay with the elevator sequence in Halo 4 since of that game's problems, it's relatively minor. However, there's still no reason it couldn't have been done through gameplay. Being a tutorial mission, why couldn't it make you leap from platform to platform in-order to teach the player to jump? Why not have the elite charge at you when you reach the top, instructing how to fire the Assault Rifle. There's multiple things they could've done, but they choose the option that only works on a superficial level, once. Really enjoyed this video. Articulated professionally and critically.

[@LateNightHalo]

Raycevick idk man, it's pretty major for me when about 2 minutes of a 9 minute level aren't playable ;P

[@Elkatraz]

The slow crawl in Halo 5's final level is pathetic, so god damned annoying. Yeah, cinematic moments like this need to DIE.

[@Servellion]

Or Halo 4's press right trigger to defeat the Didact.

[@ForgottenChronicler]

Juan Lopes That's one reason my total time spent in the campaign is over two months. It's incredibly hard to understand what the plot is and how anything happened between games. There's one thing Destiny did good at

[@ooblah10]

i was looking forward to boss battle in Halo 4 with the didact and then it was a QuickTime event and that's that. was so disappointed

[@a.morphous66]

Given Halo’s awful, awful history with boss battles... no. That either would’ve been a nightmare or way too easy.

[@Eduardo-vd8fo]

i find funny how now halo brutes in halo wars 2 look more stilish and honorable species than the sanguili..... :D

[@alecjohnson2864]

eduardo guevara Correction: they look more stylish and honorable than the new sangheilli.

[@futbolluva]

It hurts that this is true

[@someguyinahoodie3856]

eduardo guevara What has Halo come to? This is a great point, and it sucks that the elites are no longer "Elites", if you know what I mean. They act like dumb brutes. And brutes act more like elites. I've been noticing that too, that the brutes are DEFINITELY more stylish than before. P.S, Late Night, I love your channel and your opinions, keep up the great work #HaloWillNeverBeTheSame

[@Seahorsie_]

eduardo guevara Sangheili*

[@SOMEGUY7893]

+Jade Jahn Don't forget the Brutes became the honor guards of the Prophets so the banished are most likely using more regal stuff as the Brutes equipment they probably scavenged on the Ark are more regal than the usual Brute style.

[@martingreer2714]

The ending of halo 5 even visually looks like that of halo 4s

[@martingreer2714]

SirCreepsAlott yep

[@pluto3194]

A big buff.

[@tritonk1759]

Nope, Halo 4's graphics are WAY better than Halo 5's.

[@LateNightHalo]

Got myself a higher quality microphone! I hope the sound quality is better! Also don't forget to friend Ama on Halo 5 PC!! Thank you all for the support on these videos

[@RobbazCorgiPikaPikaMadaFaka]

Dude your voice sounds Much deeper in this one. Like you aged a few more years, in a good way.

[@LateNightHalo]

Im glad XD my last mic was broken or something and made everyone sound really high pitched

[@RobbazCorgiPikaPikaMadaFaka]

Glad you changed mics, I have Dolby 5.1 surround sound Afterglows and it sounds really good. Add bass mode = ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@Mckay2455]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment wats up dad

[@keegankelly2415]

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[@airas1494]

LOL " halo has a punch button , i could do that!! Lovin it 😆

[@fish_daddy6947]

I mostly hate them because it seems its the reason why they've removed campaign theater mode....

[@savvystudio5930]

I feel like Doom 2016 has a nice blend of cutscenes and gameplay

[@texasholdmeplease]

ThatOnePCGamer Battlefield 1 also does it very well.

[@nathaneskin3572]

Kyle If you like halo's gameplay, you'll like the new doom.

[@patrickhild4066]

You made good points in this video. I don't mind first person moments but I would rather them be placed in the cutscenes rather than the levels themselves. The Didact could've been an epic boss battle that was in your control but instead the 2 second QTE made it boring and anticlimactic to go through. Good video btw

[@LateNightHalo]

Basically my opinion. Either make it a skippable cutscene or remove it. I dont want to watch Master chief be "surprised" by a thing every.. single.. playthrough with no way to skip it

[@patrickhild4066]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment Exactly! When I play games, I want to be surprised. Not watch someone else be surprised.

[@rookie4582]

Gosh I hate CoD Campaign because of this. But Halo doesn't not have nearly has many of these linear moments.

[@deriznohappehquite]

The entirety of every Halo campaign is linear. Your use of the word linear was incorrect.

[@connorbranscombe766]

Jaun, Control Room is linear, there is only ever one path that goes forward for you to take, Two Betrayals is fucking amazing though.

[@deriznohappehquite]

***** Pretty much, but there's flood and Covenant fighting in disorganized melee rather than organized Covenant forces.

[@connorbranscombe766]

***** Yeah but its one objective after another, whereas two betrayals has multiple objectives that you can choose to attack, the level Halo is also a very non linear level.

[@rookie4582]

***** Sorry Linear wasn't the right word to describe what i meant.

[@PeregrinoZensunni]

I think the Gears of war franchise does a great job with the "press y to look" sequences. it help if you want a more cinematic experience, but its totaly opitional.

[@TheSimpleMan454]

Skorge's boss "fight" was terrible in 2 though because it was 100% QTE, except for occasionally dodging Ticks. In fact I hated Gears of War 2 on release because of how every second mission was an on rails sequence broken up by unskippable cutscenes. New Hope and the Rift Worm were awesome, but that to me was because through both you always had the sticks.

[@MatthewGilligan]

I don't mind some qtes, like killing that elite in Halo 4's first level. There are many other elites to kill. But the final boss of Halo 4 was a qte which was just a joke. But I'd rather they focus on making the level design better tbh. Mabye a few qte's but not for anything major. Would not complain if they weren't there.

[@klasse4311]

MatthewGilligan The Elite was the annoying one. We kill Elites all the time and that was an Elite that didn't need a QTE.The Didact was the last boss and someone would such power would kinda need a QTE. It was more justified.

[@freeziboi3249]

Matthew Gilligan I feel like the Didact's boss "fight" was a qte, simply because the didn't know how to execute that specific boss fight. I still hated the qte, but I start to understand why they did what they did.

[@Hot18Shot]

I disagree; killing the Elite in Halo 4's first level was stupid and laughable. There was absolutely no need for it.

[@ic4192]

Vicious Zero Agreed.

[@tristantoledo6866]

What about halo 3's cortana voice overs that slow the game and ruin the pacing?

[@TheRageEnterprise]

Tristan Turne everyone hated that

[@_Siptah]

Tristan Turne CANCER

[@YourCrazyDolphin]

Tristan Turne True, (Gravemind moments too) but they didn't totally eliminate player control. You could still walk and move around at least.

[@Leap623]

Utter shit. Friends and I always hated those whenever we played through the campaign levels.

[@Hot18Shot]

I remember people not liking them, which is fair, but at least those drove the story forward as apposed to this "WOW, LOCKE IS FALLING OFF A BRIDGE, LOOOOOK". Plus they ended up being pretty memorable because they, along with Gravemind's dialogue, hit a climax that really sold it at the end. Can you say the same thing about Chief or Locke crawling on the floor over and over again as if they had one too many to drink?

[@NuggetEternal]

I liked the quick time events in COD4. Even the very last one where you kill Zakhaev. Because even though you couldn't run, you could still look around wherever you wanted, aim the gun yourself, and shoot the gun yourself. Despite the quick time events, I still think the COD4 campaign overall was really good. Quick time events is a COD thing, not a Halo thing. In Halo, it feels so cheap and out of place.

[@futbolluva]

that's not a quick time though. Quick time events is where you have to react in time and press a button.

[@soundlesspeal]

I really liked how in halo 3 you had these short cutscenes where you could still move and play while it was happening? like the one in the covenant where johnson couldn't offline the third tower.

[@futbolluva]

you couldn't move during that cutscene though so I'm not sure what you're talking about. You could skip it though

[@Ineedgames]

Remember in Halo Reach, you could move the camera and get the Chief Easter Egg? Several different kinds of sperm were sprayed that day.

[@soundlesspeal]

SunnyDog60 Yep, exactly.

[@soundlesspeal]

SunnyDog60 And it's great because if you're speedrunning you don't have to waste two minutes, and it still doesn't take anything away from the story.

[@phillipmorales8213]

I hope 343 does remove that "cinematic" bs and since they are listening now I think things will be better. So glad Ama is now playing Halo! I hope she likes Halo 5 and maybe when Halo Wars 2 comes out you and her could do a Let's Play together like you did with Sonic on your other channel haha

[@phillipmorales8213]

And if anything, they should at least add a damn skip button that's not hard at all it's already there for cutscenes.

[@kk56111]

I'm torn on this. I replayed the modern warfares many times and loved them. The cinematic scenes worked well in it. But yeah, they don't belong in halo. It just doesn't work.

[@SirBacon8180]

i want to play the game i bought for money, not watch it doing for me. it's like spending 60 bucks or more for a movie.

[@endplanets]

Psi Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy really respected player's time. After you beat the game you unlock SPEEDRUN mode where every cutscene and cinematic bit was removed. In one bit you walk to a door, there is a cutscene, you regain control and open the door. But in SPEEDRUN mode you the door is already unlocked. So great.

[@selahh7032]

I'm fine with QTEs as long as A: They're few and far between, only being used for fights that would be less tense otherwise, I.E. hand-to-hand combat against a Spec Ops Elite that ambushes you from a dark shadow. B: They aren't used for big boss fights, except as part of a takedown. I.E. A boss you have to kill by assassination, but also with correct button presses. C: They can be disabled.

[@LateNightHalo]

thats a very fair compromise. If I dont want to be "surprise attacked" by an elite in the bushes every single playthrough then i can have the option to disable it so I can just play the level

[@isaiahharris40]

Best example of this is the "battle" with the Didact in the Halo 4. I was so excited to finally fight him, only to realize it was some scripted crap.

[@tritonk1759]

I thought it was cool.

[@isaiahharris40]

TRITON K175 It was ight

[@tritonk1759]

Zay Guru Official Ight???

[@tritonk1759]

Oh.

[@tritonk1759]

Oh.

[@riekopo7638]

They should get rid of first person cinematics as well. First person is for gameplay not non-interactive quick time events or cinematics.

[@deriznohappehquite]

Why though?

[@klasse4311]

John D. It's so annoying. I want to play and not watch my character hold onto a ledge.

[@futbolluva]

A first person cinematic isn't the same as what you are describing. A first person cinematic is like the opening of Halo 3 ODST, where it is just an ordinary cinematic but instead of a third person view looking down on the character, you're looking through their eyes. And like all cinematics, it SHOULD be skippable. There's nothing wrong with a first person cinematic. The only problems is when you take it too far and turn gameplay itself into a first person cinematic hybrid.

[@thaddeushamlet]

I love occasionally playing through old Halo games cinematicely. You know, slowly panning your view over some scenery or faraway object that the game wants you to look at, pretending to be surprised and the like. But, there are times where I would rather (take Halo 3 for example) set myself up in the perfect spot so I can jump on the scarab immediately.

[@davemarx7856]

Hamlet Enthusiast THE MAW - One of the best examples of how to give the player the *option* of stopping their forward progress in order to *immerse themselves* in the story. The first time I played THE MAW, I stopped. FoeHammer was important to me and I could not believe what I was seeing. There was a moment of me wondering if I could save them... but the game was still going. So, I drove forward because no one likes blowing up. The next few times, I did all the crazy things one might do to change the game. None of it worked and eventually I began to just drive through during later playthroughs on higher difficulties. But even *that* was cinematic in its own way. I had been given the option to have this scripted moment play out in slightly different ways. The result was always the same - FoeHammer Burns - but the way I interacted with the moment was up to me. Drive through because "Chief *should* be in a hurry"? Stop because a comrade is falling? Slow down? Drive off the edge because "There's no point in life without FoeHammer"? Get out and walk because "FUCKIT"? The scene allowed *you* to direct the camera. Another good one was Halo2's "BossFights". Chief v. Regret and Arbiter v. Heretic... There were options. Some options were unfeasible depending on difficulty, but they were still there and they were in your control. ~ Play through the fight like you're probably supposed to - having a drawn out confrontation where the enemy takes actions that are specific to them and forcing you to change the way you've been doing things? or (and this is my personal favorite option but it only works on easy) ~ Rush in like a Badass on a time limit and fuckem up in a matter of seconds! When I realized I could run past all the bullshit and just have Chief wail on Regret? 😚👌 I felt clever and I also thought "Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how John *would* do that." Sorry for the diatribe.

[@Titanic_Tuna]

I think Titanfall 2 did a good job with the final level where they just gave you the most OP gear and threw you into a shitstorm of enemies saying "here, have some more fun. Courtesy of the devs. " I think if Halo 6 does something along those lines where they give the Spartans increased movement speed, jump height and even some newer super charged looking movement animations unique to the final mission it could really make *you* the player feel like the badass, it would be a step in the right direction too I'd say. Retaining Halo's reputation of player freedom and control should be one of 343's main concerns... but if they don't manage to fix the mess they're I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[@sepheus14minus1]

On the halo 3 legendary edition disc, they have this immersive behind the scenes, and one of the biggest quotes I remember is "Is it more satisfying to kill guilty spark as a player, or watch chief do it in a cinematic? but as soon as you make that decision, you are taking that action away from the player, "

[@fearlessarchangel]

This needs to be said more and more. I don't want to play movies. I want to play games. I still remember that last warthog ride in Halo 1 and 3 because I played it myself and it was awesome. The music they added in Halo 3 really made it feel like the end of an epic game.

[@windylotus]

phil spencer recently said that project Scorpio might be announced before e3, I wonder if halo 3 anniversary will also be announced as well.

[@Model_BT-7274]

Master Chef halo 3 aniversary will most likley be made after halo 6

[@windylotus]

Saber interactive were the people behind halo 1 and 2's remasters, and since halo online has been canceled a division of the company could be working on the remaster. that branch could also be working on quake champions or mx nitro, even tho I doubt it because they have already come so far in development. and 343 and other AAA companies like to steer fans in other directions so when they do announce something it is a surprise

[@wearsjorge55]

Doubtful. They fucked up pretty hard with H2A. The MCC should have come out with halo 3 anniversary, now there's not enough space on the mcc disk for H3A. The community would have been perfectly fine with only H2A

[@windylotus]

I see what you mean about the disk space they should have released the MCC with extra disk space for H3A, and when people question it they should have said it was for ODST then people wouldn't be suspicious . but there would have been no time for H3A to be released at the same time as H2A (unless you want it to be plagued with bugs like H2A did at launch). Not to mention it would break the 10 year mark every remaster made, releasing H2A and H3A would make no sense.

[@wearsjorge55]

sorry i typed that early in the morning. i meant they should have done H2A on its own, done the MCC for halo 3 anniversary. also im pretty sure its already confirmed H3A isnt happening becuase H2A took to much out of H5's development

[@carlosrenteria4712]

I thought pressing F to pay my respects was pretty immersive tbh..

[@LateNightHalo]

Tsarlos Renteria "press F to feel emotion" ;P really?

[@carlosrenteria4712]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment Yeah, it was lit

[@whydoesyoutubeallowpeoplet6357]

I genuinely hope that 343 campaign writers are watching these videos and listening to the community.

[@42Savv]

This is why Half-Life and the original Halo games so much. I can go in and have fun with the game and not feel restricted. I love playing games in different ways each time. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I do a playthrough of Half-Life every day. I find it a lot of fun to try something new with each playthrough. Games like CoD are just so boring to replay because they are so linear. Now that I think about it, I have been playing Halo and CoD for about 10 years, and the only time I remember replaying a CoD campaign is to get achievements. But with Halo, I never cared about achievements, because I was actually having fun. I didn't need to force myself to replay Halo.

[@tritonk1759]

5:33; That motorway section in Advanced Warfare is amazing.

[@LateNightHalo]

TRITON K175 no it wasn't because it wasn't gameplay

[@tritonk1759]

Let me find the fuck to give... Seriously though, I don't care whether a bit of a video game is cutscene, gameplay, QTE or whatever. If it thrilled me, then I consider it awesome.

[@ARuiz-eu3hk]

Arin from "Game Gumps" also had the exact same gripe with half of today games. He sees that games like the recent Uncharted (and others like it) that he's seeing movie more than an actually playing a video game.

[@LateNightHalo]

A. Ruiz yep

[@cadrian4806]

Id say that Reach's last stand is one of the finest moments in FPS game history, giving you the absolute control over it, instead of mentioning it, having it be a cutscene or just not showing it it all, it gave you some control, some hope that you might kill enough covenant so that six could survive, but fuck nope, its a hopeless situation that you WONT survive no matter what, and it gives some bizzare sense of despair, even if it has a sort of cutscene when you eventually die

[@MrMoooshroomz]

The worst example of this is the constant need for Batman needs to stop and talk to someone on his arm screen in Arkham Knight. The Arkham series has allowed the player to listen to dialogue over the comms while Batman could still walk. For some reason, they changed this in Knight. It's infuriating.

[@icarus_kl]

if you think about it in a way we are like Robocop. *Spoiler* in the 2014 Robocop Alex Murphy is given free will when not in combat, like we have free will to run around in the campaign doing whatever. When Alex is in combat the computer takes over just like in video games during a scripted event, giving the illusion of control.

[@brianholden3729]

Keep up the good work! You and Act Guy are my favorite KZbinrs.

[@Ash_Vulpine]

0:24 that gives me flashbacks to 2016... I haven't experienced lag since June!

[@Ineedgames]

Dear 343. Get rid of those dumb hub worlds that were in H5. No one cares and they didn't add anything to the series.

[@Lanay_]

except story telling and cool/interesting dialog

[@Ineedgames]

@@Lanay_ Still no. what story did they add?

[@andersonturner2987]

I never even had a complaint like this until I watched this. I never thought of it that way...nice video bro!

[@Hokiebird428]

If the comments on my video are anything to go by, no one but us select few gives a fuck about replaying the campaign. Halo has turned into a once-and-done campaign, and then multiplayer, multiplayer, multiplayer. Sad.

[@davemarx7856]

EDIT OPENING - I didn't see *one* "Press X to 'Jason'" in the comments. 😦? THE MAW - One of the best examples of how to give the player the *option* of stopping their forward progress in order to *immerse themselves* in the story. The first time I played THE MAW, I stopped. FoeHammer was important to me and I could not believe what I was seeing. There was a moment of me wondering if I could save them... but the game was still going. So, I drove forward because no one likes blowing up. The next few times, I did all the crazy things one might do to change the game. None of it worked and eventually I began to just drive through during later playthroughs on higher difficulties. But even *that* was cinematic in its own way. I had been given the option to have this scripted moment play out in slightly different ways. The result was always the same - FoeHammer Burns - but the way I interacted with the moment was up to me. Drive through because "Chief *should* be in a hurry"? Stop because a comrade is falling? Slow down? Drive off the edge because "There's no point in life without FoeHammer"? Get out and walk because "FUCKIT"? The scene allowed *you* to direct the camera. Another good one was Halo2's "BossFights". Chief v. Regret and Arbiter v. Heretic... There were options. Some options were unfeasible depending on difficulty, but they were still there and they were in your control. ~ Play through the fight like you're probably supposed to - having a drawn out confrontation where the enemy takes actions that are specific to them and forcing you to change the way you've been doing things? or (and this is my personal favorite option but it only works on easy) ~ Rush in like a Badass on a time limit and fuckem up in a matter of seconds! When I realized I could run past all the bullshit and just have Chief wail on Regret? 😚👌 I felt clever and I also thought "Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how John *would* do that." Sorry for the diatribe.

[@goawaythemightyneed]

Another big factor is acheivments. The game wants you to replay it, and rewards you for it, but still does this shit.

[@odst_anubis8214]

The third to last mission in advance wafers was actually amazing for gameplay for having the grabbing hook as an unlimited ability and you could hook inside of helicopters and shoot the pilots...as you.

[@jorb333]

That awkward moment when EA makes a better designed campaign than halo

[@CPLTarun]

I think it's about time there be a distinction between video games and interactive movies. Extremely scripture, linear and narrative focused entertainment should be called interactive movies. Entertainment that's much less linear and more player controlled should be called video games.

[@DinoDudeDillon]

I'll say this: I prefer the well-animated first person cinematic "events" of Halo 4 and Halo 5 to the slowed walking speed while Cortana flashes on the screen or the Gravemind talks to you in Halo 3. I mean forget replay value, those parts were annoying on my first playthrough.

[@stiffyo6068]

The sad thing is, nowadays most games are pitched for and built around multiplayer instead of campaign, so I doubt too many companies really care much for replayability of story mode.

[@gavo7911]

I think it's okay for a game like The Last of Us to do this. But Halo? Hell no. That's one of the reasons I love Titanfall 2's campaign, it almost NEVER took control from you.

[@nikodemvankenobi]

TheNerdFormer TF2 gave the story in a perfect way. I already miss BT...

[@LateNightHalo]

TheNerdFormer the last of us personally drove me insane.. naughty dog.. if you want to make a movie then just make a movie..

[@gavo7911]

+LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment Eh, different tastes for different people.

[@brunocorbella7389]

I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS Keep up your great work!

[@imabigblackduck]

Video games are taking too much inspiration from the walking dead, last of us, etc. those specific games I listed are good because they're mainly story telling games, but as for CoD and halo and what not, it's supposed to be gameplay as you state.

[@issstari954]

actually cinematic was my favorite part of halo 2 and the best halo in my opion one of the reasons that i like it so much

[@BrianHamlin117]

I'm working on a video game of my own. These are some good tips! Things like this never crossed my mind, thanks for addressing them!

[@trash_master_one3151]

Oh my god when you said what if halo 3 was cinematic i realy instantly knew what you ment and when you said replayable i remember playing the covenant on halo 3 for days with the two scarabs i realy miss the 100% sandbox tyle

[@rosery7726]

You just made me realize: In Halo 4, killing the Didact and then running hastily to escape the Orb Ship of Death would be *so* fun!

[@117Tempest]

I don't mind seeing them every now and then tbh. Really the only "cinematic moment" that I disliked in H4 was the Didact one because it was replacing what could have been a cool gameplay sequence/boss battle. But other stuff like just climbing an elevator shaft or pressing a button is like whatever lol (though they definitely should at least be skipable for repeat playthroughs).

[@LateNightHalo]

basically my thoughts. After the 20th playthrough, seeing chief SLOOOOOWLY climb an elevator shaft can be VERY tedious so a "skip" option should be there

[@porterporter7154]

YES. FINALLY. I CRY ALOUD EVERY TIME I PLAY HALO 5s CAMPAIGN FOR ALL THE WASTED POTENTIAL! CAN THEY PLEASE JUST REMASTER THE THING? It seriously just needs to be polished and rethought. I actually played it earlier today, and just thought, hey. I know what would make this a hell of a lot better. Even if doing this fine tuning still didn't make it an amazing good game, it'd still give it replay value. I wish I could discuss with you the exact moments in the campaign that could be redone and perfected. Maybe that could be a video series you do! MAN!

[@andrewpowell9520]

i completely agree. these scenes aggravate the crap out of me.

[@HKgunner]

I thought QTEs started even earlier than COD4, although still within the franchise. I remember WAY back in the day in one of the WWII COD games, there would be moments where you round a corner and a previously hidden German soldier pops out of nowhere and jumps on you, grabbing your rifle. You'd have to spam the two shoulder buttons over and over as you cinematically struggle for control of your rifle until you are presented with a button, simon says style, to finish him off. I remember there being quite a bit of fan backlash to these unskippable unimmersive moments, but it went on to be a staple of the series in the modern COD games anyway.

[@Shft-T4b]

343 should just make those moments skip-able and bring back final boss fights like in the original trilogy and everything would be better

[@cryptonic2215]

So what you're saying is. They shouldn't tell their story how they want and they they should let you tea bag in a corner. How is this a legitimate issue. Halo has a lot of issues nowadays and this is not one of them. Sorry man. I like your videos but if I wanna play for gameplay aspects I play multiplayer

[@LateNightHalo]

Cryptonic yes... yes I should be allowed to tea bag... previous halo games allowed me to do this.. You're literally advocating the REMOVAL of player freedom in a series known for campaigns with lots of player freedom... Why do I want to watch the game play itself for me? This is a game not a movie.. I didn't pay 60 dollars to watch halo 5 beat the final mission for me

[@cryptonic2215]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment - I'm not advocating it. I'm just saying that quick time events aren't the biggest issue. You guys (meaning halo KZbinrs) are making real changes. I just think you should use that power to really drive home the issues with the art style, sounds, character development, and gameplay imbalances. The day that our biggest issue is a fucking quick time event will be a pretty damn great day. Once again I should say. like your videos. keep up the good content

[@nonnnannmme5533]

Cryptonic I think your wrong because I pay 60 dollars on a game to watch it not play it.

[@YourCrazyDolphin]

Cryptonic If the player actually wants to pay attention to the story, they'll pay attention- it doesn't do them any favours to suddenly put all the momentum to a halt and force them to listen to someone spout expostion or even more importantly go through an entire fight for you. If you're really that worried about the player not looking where you want them to, do what they did in ME3- Just put a button on screen that when pressed will automatically turn the camera to whatever they want them to look at- if the player isn't interested they can just continue on their way or just listen to the chatter- but most will press the button to see what their squad is talking about.

[@ChrisTheGoodGuy]

They took the Boss Battle, and killed it for you. They took the Last moments of the levels and stole all the hard work. Its not you finishing the levels, its the game taking control for you. Remember the days you could beat up Tartarus, or punch the prophet to death? What about the times when you could destroy a scarab with just your fists? Those were the moments I played halo for. Halo used to be a game.

[@rosery7726]

"Call of Duty 4 is similar to Mario 64" -LateNightCringing, 2k17

[@redblueyellowlol]

Destroying a scarab is so much fun: rocket the legs? jump in the back? jump in with a mongoose or ghost? jump on it's back off a ledge? jump out of a pelican? will you snipe enemies off first? blow em up? steal the plasma gun? spike grenade around the corner? and then destroying the core: blow it up? punch it? plasma cannon? then jumping off and getting out of there in time to run away, as the music builds to a point. killing melee enemies as a they charge at you. hijacking a vehicle. lasering a wraith. The future cube as the prometheans come around the corner. plasma pistol stunning a banshee. HAlo can be very cinematic and truly epic, and do so with and indeed by the immense freedom. A short, self-induced burst of awesomness (hijacking is triggered with one button) is good. changing some view angles to show 'yeah, the blast threw you across the room!' is cool and gives another aesthetic. However, stealing our control at times where we want it (that promethean scene, for example) where it would have been totally fine to stay within the realm of the game's controls, for a longish period of time, locking us into one path (something halo has often avoided to good effect) is simply boring and un-immersive.

[@hasturxix]

I often find myself replaying Halo 2 and 3's campaign over Halo 5 cuz I always have complete control

[@mojosouras_rex8079]

"Press RT to fire machine gun" XD

[@isaacjovero2338]

This is what’s great about titanfall 2. There are rarely any moments that take your control away and when it does, most of the time they’re really short.

[@TFICreations]

During a "cinematic" moment, I tend to put my controller down cuz I'm like "okay it's a cutscene" then I'll have to hit a button and I say, "I don't wanna play a cutscene!"

[@quenter1392]

imagine how fun the end of h5 would be, if instead a seeing Locke slowly crawling and being "like Locke go faster", you could feel the game pushing you back, and you would actually struggle to move towards the end.

[@thegrandduke8968]

You really like that pic of Robert D jr

[@stargazer8973]

343 need to identify that they have to go back to the classic halo games and see what made those work, when I first played halo 4 I thought I was gonna fight the didact but instead got to watch him fall ? Like tf

[@AdmiralMcGravy]

CoD4, Halo 3, and Skyrim are among my favorite games of all time. They're all fantastic games. I myself was never bothered by those cinematic first person scenes in the Modern Warfare series. I played CoD 4 a lot and wasn't really bothered by it, but to each their own.

[@CallumMcCartney]

Even though TitanFall 2 has a few of those moments, I feel like it's a good balance. Some other games which can strike the balance are Wolfenstein and Doom.

[@tritonk1759]

I'll be honest, I was completely satisfied with the Didact fight. The Guilty Spark fight is just lame.

[@grimnargaming]

I very much agree. Several of your points are granted; but Halo 4's ending when you had to drop the shields around the Didect before he fired the composer, I felt like a Badass with the epic music picking up in pase - even going back to it, I sometimes catch myself thinking that I might actually be able to get the shields down in time. -> that part was awesome.

[@sambphillips959]

I also think it would be so, SO cool if in the Didact battle they replaced every button for melee attacks and blocks and you could fight the boss in a great 1-on-1 battle yourself, but from again a great angle.

[@dickiewongtk]

Oh the warthog run in both Halo 1 and 3 are Classic! I played them many times, died many times, and still enjoy them every single time.

[@1-Terrance]

I was so disappointed when I saw them I'm halo 4, even though I thought halo 4's campaign overall wasn't that bad.

[@alecjohnson2864]

Cole Warden I was disappointed when I finished Halo 4's campaign.

[@futbolluva]

Halo 4's story was very good, but it's gameplay was some of the weakest in the series

[@joshuak5798]

Halo 4 story = Great. Execution = Mediocre.

[@alecjohnson2864]

Josh Wilson In my eyes: Halo 4's story: Meh, compared to other Halo games mediocre. Halo 4's execution: Mediocre

[@Pokey_Puni_]

30 seconds later...LATENIGHT!!!

[@captainsquirrel0500]

I don't remember what game it was but I remember in the cutscenes you could play, I remember teabagging in the background. I love that Halo please bring back

[@rurutherussian]

Can we fucking veto the spartan bullshit in Halo 6 tho, please?

[@improv113]

I got Halo 3 when I was in 7th grade and didn't get internet until I was done with my Freshman year of high school. Just in the 2 years from that summer until I sold my 360, I had over 800 campaign playlist plays. I have only played Halo 4's campaign once.

[@Ineedgames]

Even the new Doom is guilty of these. There were several moments in that game where it just stopped to talk exposition where it could have just been a Cutscene.

[@hyperx72]

Fair point, though many of them were fairly short (You're hardly ever going to spend more than 30 seconds not doing anything), and aside from the first really easy enemy killed in the opening, it never auto-pilots any of the challenging areas of the game for you.

[@dope8878]

Aya ya yeah but, in doom, there is only like two moments where you have no control of this as in the other parts you can run freely, and now doom has arcade mode, which takes out all of the cutscenes for even more replayability.

[@wesleychalmers7648]

You misheard. They didn't say "immersion", they said "emmersion" That's totally a real word.

[@tanmaykokkula6211]

I agree, the whole point I play video games is to DO the action not watch it...

[@Just-A-Bit]

Doom (2016) did the "cinematic" cutscene thing best. They were cool little moments that highlighted the new demon or weapon

[@ryatt9365]

Half-Life had better interactive "cutscenes" because you had full control of your character throughout the game. They never just had your character moving on it's own, just for you to win the game by pressing X.

[@primemachine146]

Cod suits quick events, like when ghost dies, or soap dies, quick one events belong in cod because they were don right in the past but halo never had a formula for quick time events cod did, halo should have a mix of both, but only if it's done right

[@wavethewhite]

I hate those cinematic events. Imagine if once you found the Super Scarab's energy core, a cinematic event occurred where you punch it until it is destroyed but you don't punch it, the game punches it. That'd have made the Scarab boss fights terrible.

[@tritonk1759]

I genuinely couldn't give two shits whether QTEs are removed or not. They don't bother me in the slightest.

[@LateNightHalo]

TRITON K175 they bother me and thousands of others. I shouldn't able to only play 85 percent of a level

[@tritonk1759]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment​ They're still better than an actual cutscene.

[@sam117mas]

You've gain another subscriber. Great video.

[@calebbaumtm1915]

This is Why I Love Half Life 2 Zero Cutscenes You Character Doesn't Speak Your Always in First Person You Can Fuck Around No Matter What's Happening You Can Be a Step Ahead if You Know What's Going To Happen Because There are Zero Cutscenes And in The End it Works Perfect!

[@Bill-ns4sp]

This is the best constructive criticism video I've seen regarding the last two Halo games. I greatly appreciate you pointing out a specific issue, and suggesting a viable solution. Most of the videos I've seen on KZbin that have anything negative to say about Halo are vague to the point of uselessness for the purpose of making future games better.

[@LateNightHalo]

Bill 1138 welcome to my channel ;)

[@klasse4311]

Bill 1138 They are all usually very constructive and well made. Don't know who you're watching.

[@Bill-ns4sp]

Klasse They're all over. Even videos that I might agree with for what their asking for often don't give good reasons. ex: people telling 343 to overhaul the next game because it doesn't "feel like Halo". Sorry, but tell me what Halo "feels" like. I don't think just telling 343 to take out all of the new stuff is constructive. Nor do I think blaming them for every change when the artistic style was changed by Bungie with Halo Reach, is fair or constructive. I also don't find it constructive when people tell 343 "put split-screen back in, or else... we don't care what the reasons for taking it out were." It's like they forget that 343 is a group of people, who have human limitations, working with hardware that has limitations, far beyond what can be achieved with PCs.

[@nicholasreiss7077]

I accually like them because unless if I'm replaying a game I don't try to skip cutscenes/cinematics to get the story but I do agree with you on when your replaying a game when you know what happens it gets annoying

[@zacharyrhodge]

Something else I think needs to go: pre-rendered cutscenes. The original Halo trilogy created its cutscenes in-engine and didn't break up the gameplay too much with loading screens simply for storytelling, which in my opinion is much better.

[@markjones3795]

This is so true I dont go back and play games very story driven. I have already played them and learned what i wanted too. Halo i always go back because of the gameplay. The older halos are the only ones I play probably because it is barely story driven with amazing gameplay. Cutscenes in cod are cool for a first time playthrough but it always is the same old same old. So new replay value. In halo between infantry and vehicle combat it almost never plays the same. Halo 4 and 5 feel like cod with the cutscenes and I never go back and play either of those just halo 1 2 3 i go back and play extensively. What do you guys think im interested to know if you agree with me or not.

[@alecjohnson2864]

Halo's replay value is getting damaged by a lot more than quick time events, buddy. Just saying.

[@LateNightHalo]

Ultron 15 baby steps In order to identify issues, we need to take it step by step

[@alecjohnson2864]

LateNightGaming - Halo News & Entertainment True.

[@ic4192]

I love reading the comments section with all the lil kids screaming at you and then saying you're toxic