Latest Chinese Tank - ZTQ-15 Light Tank

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[@Alamdar-]

@Dev Narayan S.S ok Arjun

[@woodonfire7406]

A suggestion for future vids: instead of current MBTs, how about some experimental tanks? Either WW2 or Cold War era

[@shanewatson2670]

VT-4

[@monkeylee4818]

VT-5 and type 15 light tank are not the same tank, it was popularly believed that VT-5 was the other competing design for the new light tank program that wasn’t adopted and hence was pushed to export mark instead.

[@joelau2383]

You clearly obtained some turret info from CCTV7, but you miss some details. The full version of that episode actually show that the turret is firstly made with a sloped base front armor. The triangle front is outer armor weld in front of the sloped base layer. They never mention if there is composite materials in the triangle space between the 2 layers of front armor, but there is some concept picture of composite armor structure in similar triangle space.

[@obsidianstatue]

Heavy MBT suffers from SERIOUS lack of engine power in high altitudes, This tank is designed to go where MBT can't go. So a Hardkill active protection system would make it the perfect tank for the intended job.

[@salar7902]

Exactly.

[@robertgittings8662]

@@salar7902*... my bet is has to do with the weight (two needed to be fitted into Y - 20) - the reason for including the high - tech fire control systems is that they are light - hard kill systems are heavy*

[@robertgittings8662]

@@salar7902 *There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

[@youknowmyfirstlastname3206]

No arjun can fly over Tibet mountain terrains.

[@RookieCR7SIU]

@@youknowmyfirstlastname3206 Believe me aliens will run away at the sight of THE MIGHTY ARJUN

[@netanelyatsenko666]

Still waiting for that arjun tanker interview

[@Fish-kz8xw]

@Mr. Rock Dashing Arjun tank test crew

[@QasimAli-to5lk]

Alpha Defence 😜

[@Alamdar-]

😂😂😂

[@QasimAli-to5lk]

@@Alamdar- don't talk shit against religions plz🙏

[@Alamdar-]

@Mr. Rock Dashing হি হি হি হরে ভাইজান

[@--ginebra3589]

Arjun tank has officially become a meme in this channel.

[@bosanceros2465]

not only on this channel. It is a real meme tank

[@PugilistCactus]

Its a meme tank in pretty much all tank communities.

[@ВуксаДинаре-ф7ю]

Arjun ahahahahahahaha bullshit

[@kingkedi4949]

I used to take red effect seriously until he said the arjun is one of the best mbts in the world

[@grandayatollah5655]

@@kingkedi4949 he was joking

[@SadOldMann]

4 dislikes came from the crews of state of the art Arjun tank 2021/4/4 edit: Now there're 208 dislikes ! Exactly made up 52 crews for state of the art Arjun tank lol

[@shermanfirefly5410]

Now there're 44 dislikes----Which exactly made up 11 crews for the Arjun tank LOL

[@irregular2329]

@@shermanfirefly5410 No, 40 additional Indian soldiers can just set on Arjun's turret to add its protection. 😄

[@luluplsultmydick4894]

Irregular23 lmao

[@queenelizabethiiisinhell5062]

@皿煮豆豉 and what about China china vius(wuhan virus) protection system 😊😀

[@IndianArma]

@@queenelizabethiiisinhell5062 well the Wuhan protection suite has the ability to proactively protect Chinese armour by crippling every other country and their tank operators in the world. So china wins.

[@rexluna4533]

5:17 "state of the art Arjun Tank"

[@mohsinshahidferdous708]

I was waiting for that 😂😂

[@CB-bl8sp]

BS.

[@ashwind9742]

Chang

[@Longerbow]

To be fair, if you armour a light tank enough to be able to resist modern APFSDS rounds.... you would no longer have a "light tank" though.

[@yuluoxianjun]

lol

[@Al-ng2wn]

"Best armor is no armor" - Warthunder.

[@jamessutherland5045]

its not really a "light tank", you could consider ZTQ15 as a "lighten MBT"

[@riza-2396]

@@jamessutherland5045 VTs are lighten MBTs, ZTQs are literally light tanks, ZTQ means armor tank light

[@LOL-zu1zr]

@@aryan-khan-r5q way heavier

[@RSID]

This tank is meant to fight on the mountains of the Himalayas. Conventional MBT's are simply too heavy and could be a logistical nightmare.

[@ChandranPrema123]

but India actually has Railways till Ladakh now

[@fuckedupbody4194]

@@ChandranPrema123 But what is the quality of said rail? China get harped on for bad construction but its gotten better since the the 80 and 90s. India on the other hand hasn't shown its capability to make lasting infrastructure projects.

[@heatengine9283]

@@fuckedupbody4194 Quality of said rail ? It can carry T-90.

[@azuaraikrezeul1677]

​@@heatengine9283 and?

[@ex0duzz]

India will never be on Chinese side of Himalayas. India invade china full on for real over Himalayas? It is suicide. Not just for the troops invading but for whole of India. There is zero point to do so since they can never keep it and zero way to actually do it to begin with. So while your point about high and challenging environments is true, I believe it will be used more likely for stuff like Taiwan which is really the only conflict China will actually fight for. Can air drop them probably and fit more of them in air and sea transports.

[@captainedward8278]

I can feel him cringe with the "State of the art" part of Arjun lmao

[@rexluna4533]

I thought i was the only one who felt it hahahahaha

[@sonnywu100]

The tank has pretty much became a meme in the community. Arjunk :) good thing Indian army weren’t stupid they preferred Russian imports.

[@corey8420]

First the Arjun, then the Tejas can't wait to see how their indigenous small arms program turns out. I am a big fan of India, it's just apparent their ability to actually produce military related equipment in a quality, quantity and timely manner is none existent.

[@rasdread0989]

against pakistan, that thing would probably still have a chance or best yet an upper hand, say if they engage in a tank v tank combat, their adversary Al-zarrar is even more retrograde being a mod for type 59 (they do use a copy of 2A46 125mm gun though) , and they're already examples being knocked out, they made up some if not much of pak's armored forces

[@pajeet_slayer]

@@corey8420 Tejas isn't bad to be honest it was supposed to replace mig 21 at least they are trying to save their soldier from flying coffin.

[@la-zrider2749]

It still has more firepower than the Arjuin MBT.

[@yangleezhao2492]

True

[@jacktseng1217]

How can a modern MBT only pen 300mm ???

[@shermanfirefly5410]

@@jacktseng1217 I don't know, it probably fires APFSDS made from Mango and curry

[@harrywu9567]

@@shermanfirefly5410 lmfao😂

[@waleedmukhtar2925]

@@shermanfirefly5410 omg micro shell size just like something else common amongst Indians 👀

[@lutin_mi06]

5:40 chinese elon musk

[@SambathSoklanin]

My cat says that one day he "might" become a billionaire.

[@lutin_mi06]

@@SambathSoklanin lol

[@m_g_khatravinsky]

I think it has more to do with Elon having Asian-esque facial proportions if anything

[@TimmyTheTimeTraveler]

Legend hs it Elon musk has a gene-modified clone in every country

[@EthanX1ao]

那是杰哥🤣

[@musicistheanswer3020]

State of the art arjun 😂😂😂😂😂

[@uroskostic8570]

hahahaha :))))

[@yangleezhao2492]

State of your mom's art 🤣🤣

[@ReviveHF]

Then, a M735 penetrate the turret front.

[@rv4394]

yeah they have a lot of recovery vehicle's lol ha ha ha

[@marinecorpsman5]

@@yangleezhao2492 Taiwan Number 1!!

[@CheezeThiccenedburger]

The biggest problem of this tank is its absence in War Thunder.

[@ReviveHF]

安東我要15式！

[@Fauzanarief-n7i]

It way too op lol

[@atombomb8139]

又看到老点你了

[@danehampe2972]

Lmao, china doesnt evan go to very to tier, gaijin has left the chinese line for dead

[@atombomb8139]

@@danehampe2972 Just wait till Gaijjin needs to pay rent again they'll milk the China line again

[@aa1944-k2r]

I think you missed the fact that the Chinese military transport Y20 can carry two VT5 in one go, it was also intended for rapidly overseas deployment and not to go head to head against other MBTs....and apparently bangladesh has placed order for the tank to use in mountainous regions please do a video on the VT4 once more information of that tank becomes available, there are already 3 countries operating this tank now (Thailand, Nigeria and Pakistan) and Pakistan is using an improved model of the tank.

[@damiendehorn6350]

80% of Bangladesh is Alluvial delta soil with hundreds of wide rivers (not a great country for heavy weapons in general), you can't use MBTs over 40+ tonnes in majority of Bangladesh. That's why we bought 44 ZTQ-15 for a light tank regiment, with plans for at least 4-5 regiments in the coming years.

[@andrewwang8204]

5:37 Can we just take in how smug this guy looks because he don't have to load the shells in himself?

[@melikechoc0]

man looks like the Chinese Elon Musk lmao

[@helloterran]

I used to think this Type 15 Tank is a joke, until I saw the US Army MPF design, which is universally inferior in almost every measurable metric than Type 15 (taller, inferior gun, thinner armor despite being heavier, etc.), and still costing $10 million a piece.

[@farisanwanaputra6290]

Ztq 15 is still good enough to be placed in such mountaneous terrain. Small, agile, and mobility is main priority in such a high steep terrain. Its for supporting role only, not a head-to-head with the MBT, BUT, it is good enough to support MBT role bacause its small & agile, so it can use hit-n-run tactics. Because of that, 105mm weapon is still reasonable Actually, i never though that term 'light' and 'medium' tank role will rise again just like in ww2.

[@yanglan9604]

很客观的评价

[@robertgittings8662]

@@yanglan9604 *There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

[@doodleeagle9344]

@@robertgittings8662 I think the concept of "Light tanks" has arose because modern MBTs are becoming increasingly heavier, as lots of armor is being applied on them to thwart modern anti-tank weapons. Tanks were never able to fight well against hostile forces alone, and its only become worse. The Sprut and Type 15 fill the role between the MBT and the IFV (able to handle some anti-tank systems, while possessing high mobility) Also, India can't hope to thrust their tank forces in Ladakh should a war erupt, as the land area is very adverse, they dont have a large ass fight-bomber fleet or a big arsenal of long-range precision weapons to achieve air supremacy and drop their tanks via air, and MBTs won't do very well in the oxygen-deprived air of the high altitude warfare.

[@nemisous83]

You left out that ZTQ-15 can also fire gun launched tandem ATGM's which greatly increase the tanks range and lethality. The tank is also equipped with GPS, and other battle management systems.

[@ZORGIN]

Wow. Do we know what atgm though?

[@yuluoxianjun]

@@ZORGIN MAYBE some 900mm atgms

[@stc2828]

The state-of-the-art Arjun tank, oh god xD, a tank in 2020 with 300mm penetration.

[@Sebastian-yl7nq]

*A quick word from our sponsor,* "War Thunder": _Where you can't expect any of the vehicles show in this video to be added anytime soon_

[@jedispartancoolman]

Literally just added the t90 lmao

[@Sebastian-yl7nq]

@@jedispartancoolman Over a year since the Chinese TT has been introduced and still not a single top-tier worthy tank or SPAAG has been added

[@jedispartancoolman]

@@Sebastian-yl7nq i meant your statement is still false. T series line of tanks have been in for a while and were in the video 😅

[@Sebastian-yl7nq]

@@jedispartancoolman If you're being this nitpicky, why not go all out? The vehicles shows in this video aren't int this game at all. There is no T-90S, nor a T-72M1, T-72M2 and Arjun

[@jedispartancoolman]

@@Sebastian-yl7nq i could be that nit picky but im not.

[@quakethedoombringer]

5:42 Chinese Elon Musk's reaction to seeing the Arjun tank at the Chinese-Indian border

[@Dumb-Comment]

Oh wow he does look like him

[@EvoSwatch]

Harimau, K21-105, Stingray welcomes the ZTQ-15. Welcome to the non Main Battle Tank, Tank club.

[@joelau2383]

Actually, PLA classify it as lightweight main battle tank.

[@2waterbottles227]

@@joelau2383 Nope, ZTQ means armor-tank-light, it's a light tank. VT-5 is a lightweight main battle tank though.

[@sateayyam3192]

Lol

[@leekaijit36]

While some other classified as Medium Tank. Maybe using old WW2 classifications?

[@leekaijit36]

@@2waterbottles227 Yeah, Harimau classification as Medium Tank while ZTQ-15/VT5 were classification as Lightweight MBT.

[@mayazmahmud1740]

Bangladesh received 44 VT5 export version being the first operator to operate this tank besides China.... the tank was designed to operate in muddy and hilly terrain ... Bangladesh chose this tank over kaplan MT which was also designed for these kinds of terrain.... We may buy Kaplan in future but for now VT-5 marks the beginning of modernization of our tank fleet which is made of Type 59 Durjoy , Type 69 II G Asian Armadillo (name given by warthunder :p) and MBT 2000 also called Al-Khalid in Pakistan

[@man-who-sold-the-world]

India funds Bangladesh purchases of Chinese military products. Its so they can study them. Expensive, but India is a superpower.

[@mayazmahmud1740]

@@man-who-sold-the-world lol what ? bangladesh takes military loan from china and buys chinese product with it... we aint giving anything to india... and even if we did india cant get any info as vt5 is export version of ztq 15.... and one last thing, india is NOT superpower

[@assgrabber5473]

@@mayazmahmud1740 lmao maybe in the future but rn India is definitely not a superpower. They literally can not defeat pakistan decisively in a conflict and then compare themselves to china. It's sad

[@aimanfavian6030]

Bhai, Bangladesh will be looking at the VT5 instead of the Harimau tank. And Bangladesh will be purchasing another 140+ VT5 as a replacement for the Type 69G and Type 62 light tank

[@sharequsman596]

@@man-who-sold-the-world there are two super powers rn.Three if u consider the eu a single entity

[@monkeylee4818]

VT-5 and type 15 light tank are not the same tank, it was popularly believed that VT-5 was the other competing design for the new light tank program that wasn’t adopted and hence was pushed to export mark instead.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

The VT-5 and the VN-17 share the same hull, engine, and suspension, and from interviews with the tank designer (which may or may not have been misinterpreted), the VN-17 was the base vehicle, not the VT-5. This means what the designers originally planned was to have both a new IFV and a light tank partner for it with high degree of commonality between them. So rather than call it a loser in a tank competition, it's more likely to have been a completely different concept that the PLA rejected because they didn't need yet another AFV family regardless of how much better the 34-ton VN-17 was compared to the Type-04 family.

[@kthec1298]

red, HOW DARE YOU TO CLAIM THAT ARJUN IS ONLY FOR DESSERT !!!111! im going to tell ganesh

[@LOL-zu1zr]

Arjun was designed for space warfare.

[@kthec1298]

@@LOL-zu1zr arjun was designed to kill gods

[@ihatecabbage7270]

don't make him block this video, please for the love of GOD!

[@aguyplayinggames1193]

@Sameet Pattnaik r/woosh

[@Frenchdefense9404]

Its specifications were from 80's and didnt change from then on

[@damiendehorn6350]

ZTQ-15 bought by Bangladesh has the Active Protection System.

[@mrturner4620]

“Not that good for a light tank” well there’s a reason why virtually every single modern tank can’t go over 72/80 km/h. It would just come down to acceleration and agility. And 1,000 horsepower for a 30 some odd ton tank is absolutely amazing as it would have over 25 hp/ton

[@nemisous83]

It actually has 30.8 hp/t which is more than any light tank currently in service so mobility would ve excellent

[@mrturner4620]

@@nemisous83 even better then

[@shuffler1577]

yeah the whole point of a light tank is to appear in areas people don't expect tanks to appear in.

[@nemisous83]

@@shuffler1577 not to meantion because of it's power to weight ratio it could more easily climb hills

[@lagrangewei]

the designer were ask about engine power and they basically say 'there is not enough traction to make use a more powerful engine'. they think more power is useless if they can't be transfer into the ground. it smaller size, mean smaller track, so it make prefect sense for it design. more would be overkill.

[@i_nameless_i-jgsdf]

It's one of the cooler light tanks. Look like a miniture of MBT.

[@isakhanofbengal5936]

Bangladesh ordered 150 vt 5 and 44 delivered last year. Very nice tank 👍

[@damiendehorn6350]

Bangladesh bought 44 ZTQ-15 not VT5. This is for the first regiment (for evaluation like the MBT2000s 44 ordered earlier). Bangladesh has plans for 4-5 additional regiments of light tanks, which means 150+ to replace the type 59s. Bangladesh also has requirements for 4-5 regiments of medium tanks in the 45 tonnes class (unlikely to be MBT2000's).

[@naiveyouthggmf2995]

Well, it is said that this type of tank may be deployed at the entrance of valleys around 5000m altitude, where no MBT's engine can start. So the major enemy of this tank will be BMPs. That will make sense that it has so little armor and less firepower. A hit from MBT's APFSDS will definitely cause hull break I think.

[@shuffler1577]

Fair enough for a light tank to not have any armour other than ERA.

[@oddy1637]

@@aryan-khan-r5q light tanks are not meant to withdstand anti tank weapons bhai.The mobility and firepower is the most important thing.

[@guvyygvuhh298]

I actually rly like the looks of this thing. Smol MBT But tbh, all recent chinese MBTs look great, like the VT4 or Type 99 (type 99 looks kinda meh compared to the VT4 tho)

[@atombomb8139]

type99A looks way cooler than 99 itself cuz it's T H I C C

[@harrywu9567]

Ur comment reminds me that……is there any latest advanced weapen doesnt look cool?

[@atombomb8139]

@@harrywu9567 have you seen arjun?

[@josephphilister6069]

@@harrywu9567 Meet the 6th gen British jet fighter Tempest,it literally looks like a turtle

[@teslashark]

It's got a huge hull compared to earlier tanks of its weight class

[@vladimir0101_]

VT5 and ZTQ15 are totally different designs which are only similiar in appearance but with different engine protection and suspension

[@linkunliu2118]

I think the main advantage of the new type 15 is the gun depression, probably something you want to have in mountains. The T series on the other hand, good luck finding a spot flat enough to aim lol.

[@oppressedkhmerminority9765]

Tbh it’s look cool Even though I don’t like China I still think they done a good job.

[@arya31ful]

Mainland China already have good experience at designing their tanks.

[@elitegrunthuntr]

@@arya31ful Do they? Has a Chinese developed tank ever seen combat?

[@elitegrunthuntr]

@David Dou Okay, I'll accept that. Did they do well in the engagement?

[@tzeentchnianexaltedsorcero2041]

@@elitegrunthuntr redeffect did a video on chinese type 80 vs russian t-72s

[@UgandanAirForce]

that kinda unfair, China is cool it's just their government that's the problem, kinda like here in states

[@hedgehog3180]

Interestingly this tank is light enough that without the armor package a Y-20 transport aircraft can carry two of them. I don't know if that is intended but airlift capability would seem like a very good capability to have.

[@robertgittings8662]

*... my bet is has to do with the weight (two needed to be fitted into Y - 20) - the reason for including the high - tech fire control systems is that they are light - hard kill systems are heavy*

[@donovanchau3483]

I’ve always wondered if the reason for Chinese domestic tanks to lack armor compared to export vehicles is based off of transportation constraints. No Chinese domestic tanks have side ERA, yet they are well aware of its benefits and produce it for their customers. I’ve seen pictures from inside Chinese transport ships and it does seem like it would be impossible to add era production for the hull without removing a 4th of the amount of tanks stored.

[@mingshili9769]

​@@donovanchau3483 Generally our army don't develope one specific system too deep, we don't really spend time on add-on kits, we tend to go for next gen tech step by step, just to make sure we keep up with international standard, Chinese army equipment usually retire in a short time since 2000, there are new stuff come out every few years, so I guess there is no need to upgrade a decent tank to make it perfect, we just go for another platform with more possibility. Another reason is we spend limited money on the most significant thing, because our army tech is obivious not the best on the earth.

[@damiendehorn6350]

Cough, cough Taiwan.

[@海人-n4t]

@@donovanchau3483 Perhaps it is possible for the ERA to be removed and added when necessary?

[@qwispychild9491]

I think a hard kill ads makes more sense overall then other ads seeing as it basically guarantees the protection if fired on time

[@shermanfirefly5410]

I think they will do some upgrade on that----Especially since the VT5 already showed that they do have an APS system that can fit on this chasis

[@limcharles9730]

they already have it, just a matter of adding it, just like unmanned machine gun or anti-tank/sam missiles

[@John-pk4jm]

VT-5 and Type 15 are two different model.

[@leekaijit36]

Yeah, it had different look concept. VT5 body were based on some competition concepts which not chosen as ZTQ-15.

[@jerryz9042]

vt5 is a light main battle tank, while type 15 is a heavy light tank.

[@Zeunknown1234]

@@aryan-khan-r5q don't forget like 10,000 rivers and streams.

[@sheikhss7250]

@@Zeunknown1234 yeah actually in Bangladesh tank are sitting duck light tank is useful but medium/heavy is a lol... & the river we have it is too hard to deploy any Heavy machine in here for invaliding force & defender...

[@Zeunknown1234]

@@sheikhss7250 yes brother. Love to Bangladesh 🇧🇩 from India/Bharat 🇮🇳

[@leto428]

1:43 VT-5 and Type-15 are more of a T-64/T-72 relationship where the two model shares some common technologies but two parallel projects.

[@sonhuynh106]

In your opinion, what is the main purpose for separated into 2 projects? What is the differences in each tank's target?

[@leto428]

@@sonhuynh106 Type-15 is to fulfill PLA's specific need of high altitude plateau combat with a specialized power pack. VT-5 is more like a lightweight MBT for export users who wants a modern tank but either doesn't have a significant armor threat or just don't want to deploy something too heavy. Thus having better protection than the Type-15.

[@ReviveHF]

ZTQ15 looks like M60 tank except with some RHA armour thickness reduced in order to lose weight. Gaijin please add this tank.

[@ReviveHF]

@CR BZ M60 still can be very useful if upgraded, ZTQ15 on the other hand has less RHA thickness means any hit on the weak spot can be very catastrophic. The best choice will be use M60 along side with ZTQ15, since ZTQ15 share the exact same gun as the M60, both tanks are capable of firing DM63, M885 and so on. The latest 105mm APFSDS developed by Norinco is said able to penetrate more than 800mm of RHA steel armour 2000m away. A strong threat to T90MS.

[@ReviveHF]

@ALEX HUANG It's called Crew Weapon Station.

[@zszs100]

The ZTQ15 is used for high altitude warfare where the terrain and altitude is not suitable for the T90 to operate. Thats the primary reason they made this tank. As a Chinese Admire once said, "The stuff that can come up cannot defeat this tank, and the stuff that can defeat this tank cannot come up".

[@ReviveHF]

@@zszs100 Well, India did sent T72 and T90S up to the mountains to face ZTQ15,. Not surprisingly, these two type of tanks suffered badly due to the engine limitations, while ZTQ15 still functioning well.

[@zszs100]

@@ReviveHF They said "to the region" but there are high points and low points of the region and different terrain areas. Doesn't necessarily mean they will go face to face in specific areas. India doesn't have a tank dedicated to high altitude warfare yet while the ZTQ15 is designed for this specifically. This is why u see China confidently doing large scale live fire exercise with those tanks in that region on multiple occasions. Never mind high altitude, even at ground level India's T90 has broken down many times during the tank war games while China's older type 98s never broken down and has consistently achieved highs scores. On a side note, anything that India uses breaks down or crashes often for some reason. Like some Russian jets for example, Rus uses them just fine, then sells them to India and it starts dropping out of the sky none stop. xD

[@Insulino36]

So, with its heavier armour package, it weights around 36 tons, 4 less than a Leopard 1 while offering better protection, I imagine similar mobility, and looking cooler. Technology has indeed, advanced.

[@liuaaron1536]

VT-5 is the project that was unsuccessful in internal competition and became a arms trade product after modification.

[@radenprasetyo8234]

Well you know that the crew is more important than the tank right? By that i mean the indian tank crew would definitely try to scam the Chinese crew.

[@prageetnyre2193]

Or when they pose as the American IRS to say that they haven’t paid any taxes and are going to jail

[@KirbyZhang]

you forgot to mention: dual turbo's for high altitude, where T72-T90 would slow to walking speed. T90 is 50+ tons, if the terrain can support T90 you won't see the Type15, if you see Type15 there won't be any T90's.

[@robertgittings8662]

@@al1ce90 *There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

[@expandedcopy7262]

The tank is designed to be used against India on high elevation. India don't have much tank that can fight well at 4000m high mountain, so era protection would be enough for this tank since most threat will be from shoulder heat launcher and mounted missile launcher.

[@baseersherzad6553]

why do i feel he was being sarcastic when he called the Arjun tank state of the art

[@baseersherzad6553]

@Karan Varma was i supposed to get offended by you're comment im Afghan not Pakistani.

[@the_fabulous_p14]

@@baseersherzad6553 the problem is not the tank in Red Effect's comment section, but the amount of racism and hatred they spread in the comments, just bcoz Arjun is not a great tank. And ignore the Karan Varma guy.

[@baseersherzad6553]

@@the_fabulous_p14 yahh you're right there is alot ignorant people in this comment section but arjun is not a bad tank and I'm pretty its better then al Khalid tank.

[@the_fabulous_p14]

@@baseersherzad6553 al khalid is a medium tank, whereas arjun is a heavy tank. so arjun is better protected than al khalid, except the weak spot on the gunner sight and gun mantlet. But al khalid has got upgrades of ERA, which will enhance it's protection. Talking about the ignorant people, the KZbinr is russian. My personal opinion about russia is that Russia-india relations are only limited to profit now. The current russia is not the USSR. The current russia only looks profits, as their economy is badly hit by sanctions and the break up of USSR 30yrs back. Russia sees more profit in china than india, and thus has started to lean more towards china. Putin also talked about a military alliance with china, which is real bad news for India. India is also trying to make it's weapons (which is rather slow:( ). due to this our reliance on russian weapons in the future is bound to decrease. and india not having any commercial goods to offer to russia, while china having a lot of it, just pushes russia away from us. Plus due to the Border standoff in Ladakh initiated by china, India has automatically been pushed closer to US. another reason for this is that quality of Russian weapons is not good, and these weapons require a lot of maintanence, which eats up a lot of our defence budget. I say India should stop buying any weapons, and make our own as we have the capability to do so. we have our allies to help us in case china decided to invade us, which will be dealt with the same force as china will use against us :D. Coz we are capable of it.

[@jovidutful]

@@the_fabulous_p14 without alliances, You cant stand against China, I dont like china, But You cant stand against them One on One.

[@The_ragingJewZionist]

ZTQ15 is better than the M10 Booker

[@2waterbottles227]

1. VT5 is not an export version of ZTQ15, they designed for different combat environments. 2. ZTQ15 has a 2-stage turbocharging engine which allows it to operate at 5000m without losing much power. 3. ZTQ15s are mainly deployed at plateau over 5000m asl where Indian T72/90s don't exist (ZTZ99s and Indian T72s are deployed at ~4000m areas).

[@2waterbottles227]

4. PLA uses 105mm DTC-2 which offers more penetration than BTA-2. BTA-2 is the export version of DTC-2.

[@fanyechao2761]

I think VT-5 also has real armor, not just ERA or structure armor

[@yadd13]

Hey Guys, I see a lot of people are still trolling the Arjun MBT. Guys it’s an endeavour of my country to build something on its own. Remember we had to start somewhere. And it’s definitely a start and it’s definitely going to get better. Also, I see a lot of people who are trolling the Arjun MBT are from countries who have barely tried to build their own indigenous tech or even be able to buy tech from others. Remember, India can do both. Comments made for the sake of casual fun is all good, but don’t try to insult someone’s endeavour. Cheers 🍻

[@ah64dbeast37]

I like the concept, and I was actually thinking about this the other day... I wouldn't call this a "light tank" I would call it a heavy IFV/heavy MGS, something like this but with a 120-125mm main gun with a base armor of 30-40mm AP protection with ERA, and APS. And the thermal site. It's job would be to support infantry and hunt all non MBT vehicles but could kill/disable a MBT if need be.

[@robertgittings8662]

*There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

[@ah64dbeast37]

@@robertgittings8662 are you talking too me or about the video? Because if its me you obviously don't know how to read did I call it an MBT? did I say it was designed to go up against one?.... No I didn't.

[@doodleeagle9344]

Exactly This thing can turn a BMPT or even a Puma or M3 Bradley in a heap of trash in no time. Unless they spot it first and get a swarm of ATGM's over it.

[@robertgittings8662]

@@ah64dbeast37 *No I wasn't talking about what you said I said something about the original video*

[@robertgittings8662]

@@ah64dbeast37 *... up - voted your original comment lol*

[@KirbyZhang]

look how flat the base structure is vs the thickness of the finished turret. type 15 armor is optimized against top attack, ERA-only is focused against long range missiles. Light weight, big engine gives it more operational and strategic mobility. it's designed to survive long range fire and kill other light vehicles, and leave MBT's for long range fire system.

[@kingcobra856]

outro song is called Quasar - Madness (Electro-House)

[@NoAh-yr5cj]

VT5 lost competition to type 15 in this Chinese light tank project, they are not really related, they are designed by different factory

[@lonewolfchannel9329]

RedEffect how about VT-4 ? can you talk about it cuz i want to know info about VT-4 a bit my Nation buy that tank to use beside T-84 Oplot-T i can't find much info about it

[@langcheng4480]

It's comparable to Type 99A but with weaker armor (600mm RHA vs 900mm).

[@lonewolfchannel9329]

@@langcheng4480 Well atlast it's better then T-72B around us or M60A3 ( That we got )

[@dmitrit.4862]

@@lonewolfchannel9329 It's definitely better than any M60 variant since these tanks have pretty much zero composite armor.

[@lonewolfchannel9329]

@@dmitrit.4862 I know but before VT-4 come only tank that we have that got composite armor is T-84 Oplot-T before that we only have M60A3 with israel upgrade M48A5 also M41 and Stingray

[@dmitrit.4862]

@@lonewolfchannel9329 I think the Type-15 will be a great replacement for any old american tanks you have. But hey, at least you have +/- 30 T-84 which aren't bad at all you'd have even more of them if Ukraine didn't fail the simple task to produce them. lol But I guess China used the opportunity and supplied you with the VT-4 instead. I wonder which one's better, the Oplot or the VT-4. Red should definitly compare these two one day. ;)

[@magni5648]

The Chinese packing so much high-tech sensor equipment into Type 15 is in part a sort of test/learning aid for technical integration (and use) of these systems. The Chinese are currently working on an Armata-style next-gen MBT plattform with a two-man crew, unmanned turret and significant increases in sensor systems and their integration and automatization. Makes sense they'd use earlier projects like Type 15 to gather potentially useful experience for that. In terms of mobility, the thing that stands out for Type 15 is that it has a p/w-ratio of ~30hp/ton, which should be immensely useful when traversing hilly or mountaineous terrain.

[@robertgittings8662]

*There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

[@robertgittings8662]

*... my bet is has to do with the weight (two needed to be fitted into Y - 20) - the reason for including the high - tech fire control systems is that they are light - hard kill systems are heavy*

[@damiendehorn6350]

@@robertgittings8662 Bangladesh ZTQ-15 includes the APS.

[@maxding5692]

The 220mm pen APFSDS round you mentioned is an export round, the Chinese military probably uses a better round.

[@nemisous83]

220 at 2km at 60 degree's is about on par with m900 which represents the absolute limit of standard length 105mm ammo. So it's likely the ammo they export is the ammo they use for the Type 15

[@2waterbottles227]

@@nemisous83 The export version is BTA-2 as shown in the video. However, PLA uses 105mm DTC-2 which does have more pen.

[@nemisous83]

@@2waterbottles227 the only difference between the BTA-2 and DTC-2 is the composition of the rod the export one being tungsten and the PLA one being DU however the penetration difference isnt that much more because DU isnt as dense as Tungsten however have other properties that make it ideal.

[@jamesricker3997]

Rule #1 never export your best stuff

[@nemisous83]

@@jamesricker3997 then why does Russia export T-90MS ?

[@battlecomputer]

You should understand the Type 15/ZTQ-15 light tank was suppose to deploy in China-Indian border near the the mountains and encounter heavy tanks like t-90 or t-72 are very low change and must commong treat are from rpg and AT missiles.

[@Joshua_N-A]

A light tank, for deploying by air or sea, light enough for island operation. Meanwhile US Marines wanna get rid of its armored corp.

[@ultraman5168]

It makes sense for them. The entire Abrams family of tanks is in the process of being replaced, and USMC M1A1s are some of the oldest Abrams around. With F-35 and other upgrades to amphibious ships, the USMC has never had more strike options than they do now. At the same time, in exercises US Army Stryker Brigade Combat Teams have displayed a high degree of anti-armor capability in a light strategic mobility force without proper MBTs. The look of the USMC, with the quantum leap in native strike capability with F-35 and more heavily armed amphibious ships, is that they are going to use the Amphibious Combat Vehicle program to move to a more lightly armored force similar to Stryker BCTs. This is generally in line with the shift in the Marine Corps to being more uniquely focused on amphibious operations and quick reaction, rather than being a second Army with an amphibious flavor. They are simply leaving heavy mechanized combat with MBTs and heavy IFVs to the Army, and returning to their roots.

[@Joshua_N-A]

@@ultraman5168 Japan recently adopting the Type 16 MCV, a wheeled light tank. Designed for urban, airborne and outlying island defense equipped with 105mm gun. Prior to this, only the Type 74 MBT is light enough to be air or sea transported that have heavy firepower. I read that the USMC wants to have bigger guns on the upcoming ACV, up to 50mm if they want more firepower. Do you think each marine should carry an AT4 disposable rocket launcher individually in addition to Javelin teams?

[@ultraman5168]

@@Joshua_N-A I don't know that every Marine will have an AT4, but I could see them being more liberal with support weapons. Perhaps like Swedish mechanized infantry, they can use a weapons locker setup to have extra weapons on hand as each platoon requires them. The jump up to 50mm might be seen as a compromise in place of a 105mm tank gun, especially if they spread lots of anti-armor weapons across the force in the dismounted troops, on infantry carriers, and dedicated anti-armor vehicles. I know that the Army has big problems with the durability of Striker mobile guns while firing 105mm, I'm not sure if the SuperAV that the ACV is being derived from is more mechanically suitable. It's going to be a cost-benefit analysis. Comes down to how valuable the 105mm gun is in combat compared to how much logistical resources it takes to field it.

[@無語的南風]

It's very different from VT-5.

[@muhammadsyafanurikhsan3969]

I wonder if Arjun 300 mm pen can go through or i heart Arjun commander say we don't penetrate their armor

[@cartonks.2492]

we ding them xd

[@thekaiseroftheeast3895]

IDK, if it's actually 300mm, there are a lot of Cold War Era tanks that have much more armor than 300 mm. So yeah, the Arjun probably isn't going to be able to pen it.

[@sarthakasingh2179]

300mm Penetrator was intial currently it is using 500mm penetrator

[@luluplsultmydick4894]

if it’s actually 300mm pen, they won’t even pen many Cold War tank like t64

[@cartonks.2492]

@@sarthakasingh2179 source ??? i havent heard about that ??

[@napoleonbonaparte1429]

They could definitely make the armour lighter by using less steel, small amounts of titanium, kevlar and some ceramics.

[@daniels0376]

Using ceramics in tanks isn't really a good idea, as it deteriorates quickly and its effectiveness is greatly reduced even by non penetrating shots. It cracks, basically.

[@lutin_mi06]

Last time i was here the m-84 was not obsolete

[@kartiktiriya2265]

RedEffect COME MAN PLS BE DONE WITH ARJUN WE STILL CALL IT GOOD TANK IN INDIA ALWAYS LOVE YOUR WORK

[@enzoz6928]

5:39 Your face after you see the Arjun tank on the frontline

[@pheonixshaman]

The ZTQ-15 is more arguably a mmwt, like the Kaplan, imo. Also, a medium/lightweight tank doesn't really need to be able to shrug off apfsds, only heat/he projectiles, as it, realistically, isn't designed to go head to head with MBTs, but are better with going along routes that cannot support the weight of an MBT and engaging infantry or flanking maneuvers of mbts. Still is a nice piece of kit for what it is.

[@ME262MKI]

5:18 ok i see why the memes about the Arjun, lol, they did put it a turban as turret?

[@nibs7252]

It is a Leo 2A4 turret on a Chally chassis, mounting a 120mm rifled gun. It was obsolete from the start, due to its thin armor and underwhelming gun. The Mk. 2 upgrade package sought to improve it by adding on an external armor package. However, this package did not armor a large piece of the turret face, which was already vulnerable as-is.

[@alexisbierquedebirkadefauv1744]

@@nibs7252 *crappy copy of the 2A4 turret

[@nibs7252]

@@alexisbierquedebirkadefauv1744 True. Crappy Chobham composite knockoff and a massive DV optic make it one of the weakest turrets on a modern MBT.

[@knightatdawndonbynight8432]

@@nibs7252 So in which metallurgy lab did you get to test the composition and efficacy of that "knock-off" armor? Or are you pulling out imagination out of your ...?

[@Frenchdefense9404]

It was for parade purpose

[@warmbreeze7996]

Sprut SD Can be droped from a plane, has decent FCS and can swim, something possible but coasted armor, it doesn't mean that it is doomed, an APS would transform the sprut into a nightmare behind enemy lines.

[@packee8052]

I heard that the VT-5 was a competing design to the ZTQ-15 design the winner became the ZTQ-15 and loser became an export tank VT-5. Dunno if its true though.

[@monkeylee4818]

That what I heard in China as well. This kind of practice is pretty common in Chinese military industry so it’s probably true

[@gnayiefnus1327]

no, it's not true. it's kinda a western thinking. There isn't a competing relationship between vt-5 and ztq-15

[@yuhufeng5370]

As a Chinese, I am pretty critical to ZTQ-15. Not because the performance of it, which is alright, but the fact that it was not ready when it was needed. For example, ZTZ-96 was deployed during the 1996 Taiwan Strait Crisis. ZTZ-99 was seen on PRC-DPRK border during the 1999 North Korean Missile Crisis. What these events have in common is the equipments that can provide deterrence are in play when they are needed. ZTQ-15, on the other hand, was deployed too late in 2020 and missed the peak of India-PRC border conflict. The PLA had to mobilise ZTZ-99 to kargilik county to deter Indian armoured division. In fact, since ZTQ-15 was late to the party, PLA has only so far equipped one 3 companies of ZTQ-15. I actually don't think the tank would be massed produced as China is working on gen 4 tanks now. Both ZTZ-99A and ZTQ-15 are going to lose its purpose in 5 to 10 years.

[@fungames24]

Did mao do it all wrong? He had nothing and he was fighting everybody.

[@georgedroid39]

Ok, time to point out your mistakes. 1. ZTQ-15 and VT-5 are two completely different tanks developed by two different institutes. The majority of the footage shown, as well as the thumbnail, portray the VT-5, not the ZTQ-15. 2. There are two versions of the ZTQ-15: a base version, also known as the parade version as it was seen during the national day parade, and an upgraded version. The base version does NOT have ERA as the additional armour mounted is applique armour. It also does not have CITV and instead has a commander's sight similar to the one found on the Type 88 MBT. The upgraded version does have ERA and CITV with a 2nd gen thermal imager. It also has an upgraded RWS that can mount a 35mm MGL and a heavy machine gun at the same time. 3. China has 105mm APFSDS that can penetrate ~500mm. So technically, the ZTQ-15 has better firepower than the Indian T-90s with their mango ammunition.

[@Gongolongo]

Source for penetration?

[@HMSNeptun]

>Technically have better firepower Do you realize that ztq-15 will get penetrated everywhere, even by mango rounds?

[@georgedroid39]

@@HMSNeptun I said better firpower not better protection

[@PatrickBatefan]

@@georgedroid39 no it doesn't have better firepower.

[@stc2828]

I think the idea is a transport plane can lift 2 type 15 at a time, while only lift 1 type99 tank at a time.

[@SwagmanKFC]

Coming soon as a War Thunder premium for 80 dollars komrads xaxaxa)))))

[@col.waltervonschonkopf69]

When will the ZTQ 15 become available in the Chinese technology tree in War Thunder?

[@davidmoss2576]

Indian military: Are we a joke to you? World: Yes, very much so

[@ChandranPrema123]

Alteast Indian Amry won 6/7 wars

[@azuaraikrezeul1677]

Mostly against pakistan and a very shotty performance against the chinese which at that was much poorer than india now

[@吴伟-t4q]

I have always believed that China's tank armor will not be too thick in the future, and will rely more on the active defense system

[@RadecKZHF]

Show some love for the Al Zarrar or the new Al Khalid I!

[@alialhjaya8118]

its look like they add screws for ERA for al khaled?

[@ToyotaTechnical]

5:38 that guy loves his job

[@hamzaalmaj6476]

If I were the Chinese, I would put much effort to adding a better engine and add a bigger gun. It is bound to encounter t-90 sooner or later.

[@LOL-zu1zr]

Too heavy for airlift

[@rileyernst9086]

Surely a 30mm cannon firing AP rounds will threaten it even if it has a hard kill system and those are much more common than MBTs. But i agree a active kill system would be a great addition.

[@ArK047]

It's a cute tank.

[@BonusCrook]

It has minecraft camo its my favorite

[@fanyechao2761]

Most Chinese are disappointed by how thin the armor is, we thought Type 15 was a light-weight MBT

[@kai-jf2vd]

Aside from soviet tanks new and old (T-14) and possibly the Japanese type 10, what other modern mbt can be considered light? I've always assumed that making light weight mbt is just extremely expensive hence why Russians design the T-14 fundamentally different from other contemporaries unless they go the Japanese route and use exotic metal composition jacking the price up to infinity.

[@fanyechao2761]

@@kai-jf2vd Lighter tanks are great for air lifting thus increase it's strategic value. Light cargo plane such as C130 can lift a single type 15, C17 or Y20 with better engine can lift 2 type 15.

[@kai-jf2vd]

@@fanyechao2761 aah airdrop tanks, I don't think it's possible to get mbt level protection for airdops and most that do get airdrops tend to be ifv such as the bmp. If the type 15 can be airdrop and provide sufficient enough protection from chemical rounds it can work well as an airborne assault vehicle especially since it can fire apfsds to unsuspecting tanks side, for what it's worth it's not too bad probably an m118 stryker equivalent in mobility. Tbh for the protection it provides it should've just been an ifv with offensive capabilities.

[@fanyechao2761]

@@kai-jf2vd Air lifting is not air dropping, air lifting need an airfield to operate. If you do not air drop, then you to use high way or railway or ships to travel thousand of KM, and that can take months

[@kai-jf2vd]

@@fanyechao2761 sorry my bad but talking within context of airlifting, Im aware that even the abrams despite being really heavy can be carried by the c-17 while not being the most efficient method I assume since it's most often done on rails and cargo ships. Maybe I'm just shortsighted but I don't really see the logistics advantage of possibly one additional tank on the c-17 for airlifting so my mind kind of automatically assumed you meant airdrop my bad. Regardless light tanks has its use considering china geography is mountainous.

[@nafisfuadayon6832]

Bangladesh is getting the related export version the VT-5 (it is equipped with ERA).

[@yuluoxianjun]

lol

[@groab2258]

As an indian I accept the "state of the art Arjun Tank" is just a garbage tin box

[@giorgiogalliano05]

Finally an intelligent person

[@kannanchittilakattu32]

He is not alone 😓

[@behroozkhaleghirad]

As an Iranian, I suppose we join our tank projects "maybe" we can pull a decent tank off of our joint efforts (but if it goes sideways it can be an even worst Frankenstein 😀

[@denizkaanbudak2857]

@@behroozkhaleghirad Iran is sanctioned to hell bro that is nearly impossible. In turkey we are not that embargoed but we still can't find an engine for our tank.

[@behroozkhaleghirad]

@@denizkaanbudak2857 stupidity brings sanctions. Iran's governmet foreign policy is stupid, so we are under heavy sanctions. What amazes me is that how turkey is going to end up like us... how you don't learn from your doomed neighbour and let someone like Erdogan to become more and more powerful each day and turn Turkey into a second Iran...

[@TokivSmirnov]

When he said realistic physics in the war thunder sponsor part it reminded all the times where I have been gaijined, ah yes thank you war thunder

[@askme5805]

5:17 "Arjun, state of art" :D

[@christianryansino3257]

I was literally planning to ask you about making more videos about Chinese tanks. Lol.

[@sarthakasingh2179]

No, the T-72 deployed are the upgraded ones.

[@PugilistCactus]

No, they are still just slightly upgraded M1's. India has not yet obtained any B3 upgrades. Russia's military just received their first batch this month.

[@FD_Stalker]

Art arjun had their shells coated with cow poop , +50% dmg to the crews

[@johnyricco1220]

This tank also has hydropneumatic suspension, but it’s not clear if it can vary suspension height for gun depression

[@TheIdiotPlays]

5:44 Asian Elon Musk :D:D

[@mrcapybara3579]

More like Weilong Musk

[@kuzakani4297]

i was thinking the same, elon that's not your vehicle!!!

[@samualbhuiyan2308]

Bangladesh has ordered 150 vt5 tank with 125mm canon and upgrades and received 44 of them lets see how it perfoms

[@HCFyD]

That's fascinating, thank you very much! Hopefully we will know more soon, and hopefully they didn't waste their money.

[@samualbhuiyan2308]

@@HCFyD there purpose of buying vt5 is to station these in the hilly regions of chittagong alongside Myanmar border because of Myanmar is increasing there solders along with there aggressive behaviour

[@sovetskyskaiyastrigon1750]

I would love to see this in War Thunder and Btw are you excited about ZTZ99 coming

[@somerandometanker3455]

one thing, T-80, T-90 can't handle the high alt then the chinese light tank, after all the Type 15 is made for this

[@SquiddyKraken]

could you make a video about sprut-sd/sprut-sdm1 (maybe compare the two)?

[@frenstcht]

With ERA and APS do tanks even need much armor any more? (More than it takes to stop 30mm or whatever.)

[@76456]

you steel need armour, APS cant stop completely Apfsds and it may be destroyed sow it would be needed armour at least were there is crew.

[@frenstcht]

@@76456 "...APS cant stop completely Apfsds...." LOL: I'm stupid. I listened to RedEffect discuss that in the video and completely forgot by the time the video was done. That's embarrassing! Thanks for the reply! Have a great day ^_^

[@aliarham6343]

Both of you are wrong.APS changes the direction of APFSDS and thus decreases some penetration and a little higher chance of ricochet.APS don,t stop APFSDS

[@fatheralexander8285]

@@aliarham6343 even red stated that aps changed the projectiles impacted the armor it don't stop apfsds completely

[@aliarham6343]

@@fatheralexander8285 why are y guys mentioning stopped projectile? Stop means you were running in a great speed and someone came in front of you But in the case of AP this is not the same. You (projectile) are moving until you reach your destination.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

Yeah, but if they're making this tank to engage the US marine corps-which doesn't have any tanks-then it doesn't matter if it can't protect from APFSDS

[@ultraman5168]

USMC doesn't want new tanks, they want integrated light armored combined arms forces like Stryker BCTs that can be more strategically mobile while still conducting high tempo anti-armor engagement using ATGMs and probably wheeled 105mm guns as well, in environments that MBTs can't operate well in. That's where the ACV program is aimed, at a common family of amphibious light armored vehicles. They also feel comfortable doing this now because F-35Bs, Mk 41 VLS on San Antonio-class amphibious assault ships, and upgraded ATACMS missiles have the USMC rolling in more organic fire support than they've ever had before. That quantum leap in strike capability over the older Harriers and lightly armed amphibious ships gives the USMC a lot of room to be a leaner and faster landing force.

[@shermanfirefly5410]

@@ultraman5168 Sadly, the truth is that they're abanding the strikers and turning toward light tank designs You are probably just unaware of the MPF vehicle evaluations that are currently taking place in fort berg right? BAE and General dynamics have just delivered their first few prototypes, and the soldiers are currently evaluating both of them. A winner would be choose between them in 2022

[@ultraman5168]

@@shermanfirefly5410 no I'm aware, I'm rooting for the M8. I love it when 'failed' designs get a new lease on life. It is still an effective analogy for what the Marines are planning with the ACV.

[@shermanfirefly5410]

@@ultraman5168 Me too--! I like how they gave her a second try, M8 have been waited for her chance for way too long I also like the rear mounted turret of griffin, but griffin still looks way too conventional for me..... Though all we can do now is to wait for the army’s announcement :D

[@shermanfirefly5410]

@@ultraman5168 True, though I was hoping for something on wheel(but better than the striker), like the centuro, but I just guess that’s not the trend anymore

[@defencebangladesh4068]

We are getting the delivery in this june.

[@guard-gm2mu]

Sorry but VT5 and Type 15 are two different tanks. Their prototypes were tested by the Chinese military for light tanks. The winner was named Type 15 and served in the army, while the loser was named VT5 for foreign trade

[@royalteluis623]

I see this as a tank that fights other light tanks and amour fighting vehicles. But isn’t supposed to go against modern mbts , it could hold its own for a while against them , but its thin Armour and smaller gun wont last . Over all this is a good tank .