Doctor Who 14x8 REACTION | Series 14 Episode 8 | "Empire of Death" | Finale

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[@LatetotheParty]

This was a wild end to Series 14! Please make sure to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE if you haven't! Help us get to 150k!!!!

[@tylerhaywardconstantine4595]

Did you guys watch bigertgon nicole coughan she play in christmas special of doctor who

[@johnpaullogan1365]

so is sutekh now the longest running companion?

[@pershing3346]

Nah the Tardis still is the longest companion if we take "The Doctor's Wife" story as the Tardis having a soul all throughout the show.

[@stephenmurphy2212]

Sutekh was probably the one who moved the chalk in the 12th Doctor episode “Listen”.

[@cheapfinish6224]

Sutekh was the voice in the TARDIS in "The Pandorica Opens"

[@ugolomb]

I find it difficult to believe that Sutekh was in the Tardis during the entire Time War and didn't think that *this* would be his chance to bring Death to the Cosmos. Unless, of course, he hated the idea of sharing credit with the Daleks and Time Lords. But it would have lasted: Death by war could not be reversed in the way that Death by Death had been

[@stephenmurphy2212]

Also does this mean there are two Sutekhs now? I mean Fifteen did double (bigenerate) the Tardis. Also how did House from the episode The Doctor’s Wife not know Sutekh was in there? Why did Idris (the Tardis) not tell the Doctor about Sutekh?

[@MaxleonoUEFN]

I've never been more shocked for a fake death in my life, I love Kate too much. Get her a spin off already. 🙏

[@jdgjagerbomber9430]

See I was the opposite as soon as I saw Kate die I was like “oh so the earth is either being reset or completely saved then” took away the drama for me.

[@charg1nmalaz0r51]

@@jdgjagerbomber9430 exactly, this episode was shit from that moment on

[@Mark-nh2hs]

​@@jdgjagerbomber9430I knew this was going to happen a great reset and everyone is alive as it one of NuWho most predictable tropes they used it in series 3 and I think it was implied in season 4. What had me scratching my head was how dismissive the Doctor was of the 4th Doctor and the whole "Cultural Appropriation" comment was. It didn't make sense in the context of the story. Is RTD now saying Pyramids of Mars is problematic and must be called out and vilified?

[@CardiffOneOne]

​@@charg1nmalaz0r51Thanks, oh great critic. Does Endgame make Infinity War "shit" then? You are such a 🛎 end!! 😂😂

[@justynhill4814]

@@jdgjagerbomber9430- right because the Doctor never done the impossible beat death more time than this. When fighting gods you need to think out of the box.

[@votemonty1815]

The mother pointing to "Ruby Road" so intensely with no one else around was SOMETHING.

[@AG-co5iu]

It was 2004... girl was a teen that HAD that drama.

[@johnpaullogan1365]

@@AG-co5iu i mean look at the cloak she was clearly goth.

[@AG-co5iu]

​@@johnpaullogan1365She did the right thing... but she was dat messy girl and did it with style.

[@Velociraptour]

Could have just left a note, but at 15yo, I get the drama.

[@ArtoriusGiangus]

Russell T Davis wants to convince me that the lady dressed like a Sith was naming her child by mysteriously pointing at a sign😅

[@jphaggerty9046]

I feel like 73 Yards was a prelude to this finale, in that both stories explore how powerful it can be to attribute our own beliefs to something we don't understand - in 73 Yards, the episode asks us to accept the unknowable as just that, whereas this episode examines what it means to mythologize the mundane. Ruby's mother was always a scared 15 year old girl when she left her daughter at the church, and yet through a desire to understand the truth, both Ruby and the Doctor conceived of something greater, something that scared even the likes of Maestro and Sutekh. They made a myth of Ruby's origins. The snow, the Christmas carol, Ruby's mother pointing to the signpost - it was all a manifestation of that myth taking place in a universe still shaped by the presence of the Pantheon. I found this final episode massively rewarding and a wonderful close to the last eight weeks.

[@TastySalamanders]

A lot of people seem to be really dissatisfied with the finale and I think it's because they are missing this entire point.

[@jdgjagerbomber9430]

@@TastySalamandersthat’s because there isn’t one though, The most powerful god of god defeated by a magic rope? And that was just one of many dumb things that happened 😂

[@charg1nmalaz0r51]

@@TastySalamanders There is no point, just because someone says something in a fancy way doesnt make it actually clever or amazing. This entire season was badly written, full of logic holes and terrible dialogue. We can all see the point he is making, doesnt make it good.

[@reniljoseph2261]

7 because of the double bill

[@CardiffOneOne]

Well said. The subtleties in the text will be lost on so many who would rather just moan "crap, #doctorwhoisdead". They just don't deserve the show

[@Creek932]

Sutekh had to be leashed like the bad dog he is 😂

[@zidanedidi]

Hey if it worked for a wolf that could eat the stars it could work on a jackel

[@GeorgeAlexander3110]

I think the snow was from Ruby’s connection with the TARDIS and the time vortex, as she didn’t make it snow in the Xmas special or prior to that, it was only after she entered the TARDIS “time is memory and memory is time”

[@anthonyschroeder8776]

So this is my take. The tardis knew sutek had hitched a ride because she is a 14th dimensional creature. Normally she wouldn't care because the doctor is there to give pest control services. The other option is that she did not fancy the doctor in a head to head battle against sutech, which i don't believe but is possible. So she uses her field one stormy night to hide ruby's mothers face from everyone. That makes sutech freak. But only a little. What makes him freak a lot is the snowstorm the tardis was secretly manifesting. The tardis was playing chess while sutech was playing checkers

[@rlee4812]

Flood's coat resembled one worn by the original version of former Time Lady companion ROMANA...

[@joer3720]

Ah yes, the time honoured tradition of Doctor Who going back decades: 1) mysterious female character appears 2) fans: “omg, it’s Romana or the Rani!” I honestly hope neither ever return so this tradition never dies 😂

[@bethgoldman2560]

@@joer3720yeah but did you bet on Sutekh coming back…

[@fayesouthall6604]

It did 😊

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

Even though we say goodbye to Ruby Sunday (for now), the mystery with Mrs. Flood continues. Onward to Series 15!

[@jdgjagerbomber9430]

Fuck that you think anyone wasting there time on series 15 after the way 14 went and more specifically ended 😂😂

[@caitfurnox]

@@jdgjagerbomber9430I will be watching season 15. I loved season 14. But of course my opinion is different to yours so it’s got to be wrong right? 😂

[@justynhill4814]

@@jdgjagerbomber9430- it’s sad that you honestly think everyone would agree with you.

[@jdgjagerbomber9430]

@@justynhill4814 Seems a lot of people do normally stuff is very 50/50 but ive seen way more negative stuff then positive about these episodes and more specifically this last episode being poor, i dont hate anyone who has a different opinion just hate how people are scared to say anything bad about this show these days even when its right to point out the bad

[@alanafowler3024]

I think she’s Romana.

[@dgentertainment4165]

The tardis is a memory tardis from tales of the tardis

[@SteveODonnell]

This explains its creation.

[@fayesouthall6604]

It’s created from every Tardis in the past.

[@SteveODonnell]

@fayesouthall6604 yeah we know.

[@AG-co5iu]

Ap in Welsh culture means “Son of” William Benjamin Garnet … “oh… brother.”

[@gene1131]

Wait... Are you saying Roger ap Gwilliam is Ruby's Brother? no wayyyy

[@AG-co5iu]

​​​@@gene1131 ... *William* Benjamin *G* arnet ... night night. 🙃

[@gene1131]

😨

[@AG-co5iu]

@@gene1131 🎶wooo weee hooo🎵 🎵weee hooo weee hoooo🎶 ... see ya christmas 2024!!! 🥰😄

[@Ontir]

Mrs. Flood (River/Pond) is dressed like Clara thru the episode, then like Romana 1 at the end. There's a lot layered on her.

[@biglou6799]

If you have every seen the original series, Miss. Flood might be the white Guardian. She seems to be a higher being in the Whoniverse.

[@backtoearth1983]

Ruby is back in mid season 2, her story isn't over. And we learn here she has a perception filter. Ask your selves why the Doctor didn't want Ruby to meet her mother, much more to it. RTD should have made it more clear that there is more still to come is the only gripe

[@christianschoff2490]

Not the only one. 😒 I've got about a half dozen.

[@cheapfinish6224]

Ruby won't appear past series 2, Millie signed on to do a new drama after wrapping up. Ruby will be recurring only next series

[@BritGirlJay]

Liked the episode but.. why did Ruby make it snow? Why did Maestro say 'this creature is WRONG' and the hidden song thing?

[@stevkyt2374]

And yet you liked it? At least you questioned Davies pathetic script.

[@Knighttt662]

Ya doesn't make sense at all, ig RTD wanted her to be a big thing but then changed his mind last second. Still the snow thing makes no sense now

[@FabianWright]

I have the feeling that we haven't seen the full story yet. It felt a little off since the conclusion seemed to be too "perfect." And with Ruby being in Season 2, I kinda doubt it is really end to that

[@jdgjagerbomber9430]

@@stevkyt2374People are too scared to say they didn’t like episodes of this show for fear of being called racist or homophobic

[@backtoearth1983]

Clearly more to it... Why did the Doctor advise her not to talk to her mother. Ruby has a perception filter Gotta wait till mid season 2 to find out Also... Roger ap Gwilliam (Roger Son Of William) Ruby's dad's name is William

[@Moochtv]

BBC UK viewers have seen the 'memory' Tardis before! For the 60th anniversary, several classic episodes were recut and bookended with some Doctors and companions reuniting and remembering their adventures, on the same set. Shame Ruby is leaving. I liked her character.

[@joer3720]

She’ll be back. As soon as next season I think.

[@SteveODonnell]

Ruby is back for some of season 2. Along with a new companion. We saw the actress in Boom.

[@cheapfinish6224]

@@SteveODonnell Ruby won't be back for the third series though, Millie has signed up to appear in a new drama

[@SteveODonnell]

@@cheapfinish6224 and that's absolutely fine.

[@mikenjenn72]

i love that one of the first reactions is "late to the party" also did they know the whistle was coming? he had it on his shirt lol

[@mariamjimsheleishvili3080]

12:10 "Beam me up, Scotty" nearly killed me 😂

[@joshbarnes3463]

Building Ruby up as something to be excited for and having her mother be so mysterious with a hooded cloak and hiding away, just to say it was absolutely........ Nothing, she's just a normal person, is ridiculous 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@matthewchurch7057]

It's in service of the theme of this episode, the quiet triumph of ordinary people. The woman who gives the Doctor a spoon that helps him fix the TV screen was an ordinary woman, whose kindness helps save the universe. Ruby's mother was a teenager, making the right choice to protect her child, she was given meaning and importance because everyone believed that she already had it. There's something melancholic and beautiful in that, instead of having an overly Sci-fi explanation

[@CoolEnginesChristytrekkie]

I totally agree with that. Only thing I had issue with this episode.

[@AmyWarriorPrincess]

​@CoolEnginesChristytrekkie think about it all sorts of fights all over the world get started over Concepts, people, and things that are just minor Little Things get blown up into major omnipresent things people have to fight over to prove their points and get what they want. That was the point.

[@joshbarnes3463]

@matthewchurch7057 I'm fine with Ruby and her mother being ordinary and the concept of ordinary is important but Russell shouldn't have had this major mystery box storyline throughout the entire season making it SEEM like she's extraordinary, that will inevitably lead to disappointment in fan response which it has done. If it was just a story split through the season of Ruby was adopted and wants to know who her mother was without the mysterious cloaked figure, the snow and Carol of the bells etc then the reveal would've had more positive response

[@csk7769]

Doc has killed plenty before, he said Sutekh made him the one that brings death bc Sutekh made Doctor carry him across all of time and space TWICE, not bc Doctor killed him

[@rlee4812]

15 and Ruby appear in a small sequence set within ths episode where he tells her about the first battle with Sutekh in the Tales of the Tardis version of Pyramids of Mars...

[@PhoenixProdLLC]

Found you for your WWDITS reacts. I 💙💙💙💙 that show! Please do more when the new season starts!

[@ruairih100]

The memory tardis is fleshed out in the spinoff "Tales of the Tardis" which aired November last year and also aired an episode in between the 2 parts of the finale

[@joer3720]

Murder Whistle t shirt turned out to be quite apt 😀

[@biskitvapes8908]

Just the comment I was looking for

[@SpiralTheFirst]

Y’all are so quick to the party bro damn

[@wilhelmhedin8845]

Lovwed it! 73 points. Clever mumbo jumbo saving the day? Check. Grandstanding? Check. Sweet touching moments? Check. The Ood briefly mentioned? Check. This was oh so fun and I'm happy as a clam. Or Clom.

[@SupaKen74]

The doctor and Ruby made Ruby's mother SOOOO important but they weren't alone. Sutek was THERE. So that's why he was also entwined in that mystery. He couldn't help it.

[@TeeJayDesastron]

Actually they could bring Sutekh back very easily if they wanted to. Remember? The Tardis was doubled just a while ago. So, if Sutekh was always attached to the Tardis...... part of him could have survived with the other one.

[@OnlineFanBoy]

When Sutekh reversed his curse of death to the universe, I really hope he reversed what the Flux did to it as well.

[@TastySalamanders]

What are the chances that the Death Particle's effects on Gallifrey were also reversed?

[@OnlineFanBoy]

@@TastySalamanders I dunno, it could be. But also, what are the odds that the people of Finetime were restored to life. Honestly, I didn’t mind the Doctor landing there, cause if they didn’t die, at least Sutekh’s death gift was spread to them, which I’m not too upset about. That’s the one place I congratulate Sutekh for bringing to dust.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

​@@TastySalamandersI was thinking about that

[@arubinojr5670]

@@OnlineFanBoy Only from their dusting probably, assuming anyone survived outside the dome longer than five minutes. Give them another five and it'll take care of itself. (Also Lindy's mom died on Homeworld before the events of the episode so who knows.)

[@anthonyschroeder8776]

Doubtful, the doctor created a paradox by having sutech being killed at in all of time and space and having sutech kill everyone throughout time and space at the same time. Both events cant be true so all of sutech victims came to life. That should not effect the flux

[@ritablairbennett7987]

Your t-shirt is so accurate and spot on and idk if you meant it to be

[@LatetotheParty]

Had no clue!

[@markmckeown87]

lol Robert's t-shirt kind of on point for this one!

[@marcoschoenteich7957]

I think, Mrs. Flood is a goddess of Stories. She is a writer, like Rob Benedict as Chuck/God in Supernatural.

[@christallaktorides6904]

River also wrote a book and kept a diary concerning the Doctor etc.

[@ShimmerPicturesYT]

They put his ass on a leash and i burst out "time for your walkies" I need fucking help XD

[@jasonmarbach]

This episode broke me completely, partially because of how much I love this doctor and ruby but also because of real life stuff. One of my favorite season finales in years and years. ❤️

[@joshuajoshua2732]

Yes but that's the issue it should be escapism and fiction it should be irrelevant to real life.

[@stevkyt2374]

So how many finales have you actually seen?

[@jasonmarbach]

@@stevkyt2374 I’ve seen every doctor who thing made in the 21st century

[@jasonmarbach]

@@joshuajoshua2732 What a sad, broken way to consume entertainment. Do you, I guess.

[@colby_kafka]

Wow there's people like this. Good for you.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

I like that he left things open. Gives him a chance to explore things later on

[@deltawho8002]

Mrs Flood had Missy's umbrella.

[@IsiahBradley]

THANKS for this!!!! *Loved* the "Mary Poppins" theory!!!! LOL!!!! I don't get how the links link, but I choose to be happy--and not think about the snow, etc. Undoubtedly the boldest "Doctor Who" season ever!!!

[@curtisharris966]

I enjoyed it . Very Doctor Who in how it was resolved. Little ties to future stories like the prime minister, the woman and the neighbor will come around . It's time travel, nothing is concrete.

[@ronniedodge3299]

The doctor taking dog walking to new levels 😂

[@bumbelbee500]

Okay, but why did Ruby make it snow randomly????

[@4884nat]

I’ve seen in a lot of his interviews l, Russel talks about how he can be really fast and loose with the genre and he wants possibilities to be endless and i think that may have led to this complete lack of focus, precision, and sense.

[@ModeMan101]

An uneven finale to an uneven season. Ncuti is great, looking forward to seeing him grow into the role even more next season. I warmed to Millie as time went on, even though Ruby is a bit too reminiscent of Rose Tyler and Clara. Best episode of the season was “Rogue”, both in the writing and performances. Felt like an early Tennant episode. I hope Jonathan Groff returns and they get Kate Herron back to write more episodes.

[@fayesouthall6604]

Hard agree on the last two !

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Many thanks to Robert and Vanessa! ⏳ Such a sweet resolution to the arc of 'Ruby'... plus I'm still very hyped for what's to come.

[@Red-lg9hv]

Does the guy have the powers of precognition or somethin...the murder whistle seriously!!!!? But in the end Sukhtek turned out to be a mortal pet fog

[@cheapskatecoins5709]

Only issue I had was Sutek attached himself to David Tenant's tardis, not Scuti's Brand New tardis created by the power of the toymaker as his prize for winning, so either Sutek would have to had swapped tardis' or he was also duplicated which means there's another him out there.

[@AprilAyresGriffiths]

When Mrs Flood says "Clever Boy!" she is wearing the top Clara wore when she fled death in the other TARDIS.

[@OnlineFanBoy]

Anybody else realise that the music playing after everyone is brought back to life is the same music from 11’s regeneration?

[@SKIP-yj3xp]

Since the 15th Doctor duplicated the Tardis, does Sutekh still exist on the 14th Doctor's Tardis?

[@krpowe6663]

It's possible.

[@jdgjagerbomber9430]

No, I watched an interview with RTD in witch he says this is how you know this Doctor has the original TARDIS is because it has Sutekh on it

[@SKIP-yj3xp]

@@jdgjagerbomber9430 His answer doesn't make sense. In the "Giggle" it clearly shows the 15th taking the second Tardis, plus it has a jukebox, while the original doesn't have one.

[@trekkerj]

Disappointing finale. Sutekh defeated way too easily (mainly with some rope), avengers infinity war plot, and after all the build up to rubys mystery mom and the possibilities, we get no big reveal. Wasted opportunity.

[@xedalpha1]

So the Doctor gets a oneoff xmas special companion before ruby returns for series 15/2

[@dh9892x]

So when i started watching this season - someone on reddit who apparently worked on the show said there was a hidden celestial character who was the embodiment of storytelling and because she often mentioned stories everyone assumed it was Ruby but i think it was Mrs Flood and it was even more confirmed by how she ended the episode like a bedtime story

[@Trikeboy2]

Mrs Flood's final costume is very similar to the outfit Romana was wearing when she first appeared in the show with the 4th Doctor. There is another possible character she could be too: The White Guardian.

[@Velociraptour]

"Oh...okay...That's inappropriate."

[@CaptainCookNo6]

I think the “Penzance” sticker on Mrs. Flood’s suitcase may be a significant clue to her identity. Penzance is a town in Cornwall, but in the ancient Cornish language “Penzance” translates to “Holy Headland”. The area also has odd folklore, including an Arthurian legend about a place near Penzance called Lyonesse- a land that sank into the sea in a single night. She’s definitely a deity of some sort, but who knows what big plans she has in store? Only time will tell! ALSO! An anagram of “Mrs. Flood” is “Old Forms” 🤔

[@infinityzer054]

“The snow remains” “To them, they are past, a story to tell”

[@BrellaGuy]

my biggest question is if Sutekh was on the Tardis the whole time what about the other Tardis that 14 has? did Sutekh split or just chose one after it split?

[@riggigaming5108]

I started getting into nuwho about a year ago I’ve fallen in love with doctor who and I watched this episode with my dad who I just into doctor who about 2-3 months ago and when Kate died I was screaming lol and my dad was like what are you screaming about

[@qa1327]

2:29 your appalled expressions were fantastic 10:36 lol. Wow what a coincidence you wore that shirt. Love EOM. He’s what brought me to your channel originally. Enjoyed this episode overall and enjoyed the season. Was a little disappointed that Ruby’s mom was like Marrok from the Ahsoka where there were so many guesses and theories but turns out to be nothing big. Enjoyed your reaction as usual.

[@leeci33]

I enjoyed this episode more than I thought I would! Lotta questions still. I felt Ruby was written a bit like Splice this episode.

[@JasonPeace2072]

Im just really glad you guys loved it finally someone that really liked it then hated it on twitter witch it really frustrating

[@mattjcole908]

Watched it at the cinema last night and as much as i love watching DW on the big screen as its always an experience, i just feel that RTD writing just isnt what it once was.

[@ImSchrodingerCat]

I think he has gone a bit rusty. He hasn’t written on Doctor Who for years

[@jupamoers]

Have you seen the "Tales of the TARDIS" episodes? That's the Memory TARDIS in which former companions and some former incarnations of the Doctor meet and share memories

[@Jeffjway]

Very appropriate t-shirt for the episode...

[@Sophias_booktube]

remember in the 7th dr Davros shouted to the dr the bringer of death destroyer of worlds, during the show the dr said his constant companion is death, over and over dying and living and in the last episode it looked like Galfriey when the dust destroyed the earth, and it was fitting that in the 4th dr he made a tin dog called k9 maybe that was davros was not actually shouting at the dr but Sutekh and well all at the time throught he was, remember when k9 got traped in the vortex and the Tardis navigation system was off or broken an Sutekh said he clinged to the tardis all this time, maybe that was all Sutekhs doing, but how did Sutekh manage to cling onto the outside of the tardis and survive okey we know hes not human and A god but in the end of this episode he got dragged out by the color like a bad dog they cut the lead and he died how did he die then? or maybe with Sutekh clinging to the Tardis saved him and if he was not he would have died then.

[@blaiddmawrdrwg918]

It is possible that miss Flood is related in a way with madame Kovarian?

[@StoryTimewithMissAnna]

I'm only just starting the video, but the murder whistle t-shirt, I can't wait to see your face when the Doctor puts on his whistle. Fitting shirt choice!

[@StoryTimewithMissAnna]

It's a shirt from EOM?! ❤ I love it when youtubers i love know (or at least know of) and support each other!

[@darrenrichardson6146]

An interesting episode, I do feel like there's something else working behind the scenes (so to speak) throughout this season, perhaps there's another Pantheon at work, it does feel like events are being manipulated, perhaps a God of Stories?

[@tempusspiritus]

It was… an episode. I had a LOT of issues with this episode ranging from minor to major. I’m actually apprehensive about the show returning as I’m afraid I’m going to hate the Mrs Flood reveal. 😔

[@eolsunder]

sadly this first season with him didn't impress me. One episode to me was good, the rest, kind of bla and forced. But hey, at least it was better than the last doctors first season where i didn't like ANY episodes. We shall see what the next season with him brings. Not feeling any Dr Vibes from him yet.

[@prateekmandadi5081]

Why was ruby different? Why could the Ambulance not find out who Ruby's next of kin was? Why was Maestro afraid of her song? Why did it snow? Why did her mother point to the lamppost expecting people to know she pointed there? What about the memory tardis? What happened to Sutekh when the Tardis was split? How did Sutekh survive the destruction of the tardis in Pandorica? Why did they just not go to 2048 in the beginning of the series to find out about Ruby's mum rather than wait and cry? WE NEED ANSWERS..

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Plot holes.

[@jestermark8186]

The Doctor Dances

[@Johne77777]

I think that Mrs Flood is either a new incarnation of The Master, or even The Rani??

[@xedalpha1]

I like the idea there was s Susan T Dalek...or maybe it was davros

[@ndwells]

Sutekh will come back if they are doing Pantheon of Discord. Also they duplicated the Tardis in the Giggle, so Sutekh possibly got duplicated too.

[@tdm281995]

Doing a episode like this the only way resolve it was a reset button I feel like just have accept that

[@itsalexney]

The Rani has dressed as companions before.

[@LatetotheParty]

Sure has!

[@Packard63]

Very emotional farewell to Ruby although i have just seen a clip of the new series and........

[@lant7123]

If all life has been restored, going back to the 1970s, then I guess even Clara's death doesn't happen?

[@Leviathis_Krade]

you know we did have a character before Ruby who had to to deal with psychic snow a certain governess scattered across time.

[@WastedPo]

This was wrapped up so wonderfully. It makes it especially silly in retrospect how certain drama channels tried to paint the news that Millie Gibson was only going to be a one-season companion as a sign that she wasn't getting along with Ncuti or the producers. Edit: Also, the Doctor pulled a Clark Griswold on the God of Death.

[@stevkyt2374]

Yes, I think that magic rope and a spoon is a perfect way to stop a universe destroying threat. A wonderful ending (if you don't think about it).

[@Ranney165]

@@stevkyt2374You don’t *have* to flame people on the internet.

[@sortascouseace]

Ruby isn't a one series companion, she is going to be part of s15 as well. Her story is not over

[@WastedPo]

@@stevkyt2374 - I was talking about the fact that the Ruby storyline was clearly meant to have closure, and that it was something that the show had predetermined from episode one. As opposed to the idea that there was some kind of on set strife. But please don't let me delay you. So much trolling to do, so little time.

[@justynhill4814]

@@stevkyt2374- yep the doctor always had a flair of killing Gods and monsters in such a simplistic way because they always think he got a grand plan going on.

[@ThePetergate]

The essence or Fantasy - 'Just because, ok!'

[@phucpham7081]

I have thought something about mrs flood in ending her cloak remain me of romana could she be her

[@willadeefriesland5107]

The Rolling Stones only missed it by 4 days. Check out the lyrics to Ruby Tuesday. I bet RTD knows them by ❤...

[@willadeefriesland5107]

❤❤The two parter is the perfect apology for Dot and Bubble and Space Babies. We got the Classic appearance we needed and deserved. We even got a pay off for the previous appearances of past Doctors in the memory Tardis...

[@englishmidnight]

Mr's Flood is Clara

[@bethgoldman2560]

But who is Mrs. Flood?

[@planthungry]

Ruby is still full time in the next season and a third companion that we've already met.

[@user-jd4wv5tj5j]

Mrs. Flood is driving me crazy! "Clever boy." I was sooo ready for her to say "Spoilers." at the end. It would have been perfect. I think RTD is just trolling us when he's adding tiny snippets of former companions in Mrs. Flood. I'm sure I will be disappointed when we find out who she really is.

[@ugolomb]

There's no reason for Susan Triad to join UNIT. She already has a tech company, no reason for her to give it up. She can just remain head of her company and make UNIT an exclusive client for certain products. I mean, they're client already -- we know that from "The Giggle"

[@Grimlock7]

Well if you kill "death" then the initial death never happened because it was killed before it could occur. It's a bit confusing

[@StephanieMaireFaith]

Yous should watch few of the memory tardis eps, RTD is a sligh fox 2005 ep 1 Rose, the guy clive says to rose the doctor rides with one constant companion DEATH ☠

[@tycol322]

Also this episode was the first time i was properly pissed at the doctor. Ruby needs the closure of finding her mother and he practically tells her to let it go cause he's trying to justify his abandonment of his granddaughter

[@TreyMcDonaldAnimator]

I'm going to admit, I had a feeling no one truly perished so seeing them turned to dust, it was like "welp, see you guys in about 45." And Sutekh being dragged like a dog in the vortex was something else. But seeing Mel back with the Doctor, the mentioning of the Ood, finding Ruby's mother, and that goodbye. That was the meal ticket. Not the best finale, but far from the worst. Now I wonder if Susan will be seen in the Christmas special, she's been laid on thick and it would be a shame not to follow that up.

[@Viperuk80]

That baby is the Doctor.. I bet you.

[@Micromanic]

I mean I get the sentiment behind "they're important because we decided they are" but didn't we learn from Last Jedi Rey that that can be a rather lacklustre outcome if you make the mystery a major thing in the first place 🤨

[@raydenel]

or she is the santa claus wife, considering next episode is a christmas special :))

[@Gerlaproductions]

Clock work robots from the madame de pompadour and Marie Antoinette

[@AmyWarriorPrincess]

I love this episode. I love this season. People and reactors do not like this season. I don't care. I don't overanalyze. I just watch. I've been watching it forever, since I was a little girl. I'm always going to be a fan whether it's bad or good. That's what a true fan does.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

No, that's what a hardcore fan does, not a casual fan like myself. I will give praise when I see good content, and equally I will criticise where I do not, as I'm not blinded by my fondness of something.

[@steveblackie1]

mrs flood obviously is the GI

[@m.stewart8094]

Thanks hated all the logic gaps and rushed ending and red herrings but watching this with you guys made it more enjoyable. Also, Mary Poppins was totally a Time Lord. 😱

[@martynnotman3467]

Well i loved it. Yes theres "iffy" lore issues but the acting Tour de force from Ncuti, Millie, Kate and Bonnie Langford was amazing. And i HATED Mel the first time around so i never thought id say that

[@rudrasingh6354]

the only issue i have with this episode is Ruby's story. Just believing too hard shouldn't cause snow everywhere or change the doctor's memories of that night on Ruby road we saw in the Christmas special. Im fine with everything else, the emotional moments hit, the way they handled Sutekh is fine as well cuz it was a very Doctor Who way to deal with something like that but the explanation for Ruby just does not make sense even with tge suspension of disbelief

[@wordienook5406]

That’s why I do believe her story is not necessarily over. Millie is supposed to be back in next season.

[@rudrasingh6354]

@@wordienook5406 I know she comes back next season but they seem to pose the mystery of her mother being solved in this episode and that it was just a normal person and was only special because Doctor and Ruby thought she was but that does not explain the snow, music, changing tape and memory, Sutekh not being able to find her or kill her, dude is a god and had taken over time and space and killed all life but could not find her? And her pointing towards the Ruby Road sign (which did not happen in the original version so why did the timeline change) to "name" her is a stupid explanation for what was only thought off as a cool mysterious shot and RTD struggled to come up with a good reason. Even if they explain more in the next season that still doesn't fix that issue for this episode as they act like its solved and was no big deal at all when the entire episode the god of death cared about it.