Why Didn't Gohan Get STRONGER In 3 Years of Training?

[@kopo7466]

I'll say it was MOSTLY because Goku prioritized sparring with Piccolo over Gohan because Piccolo was a stronger and more experienced fighter, Goku wanted to push himself harder. Plus, Chi-Chi was definitely pulling Gohan away for studying constantly. Now, why Gohan got so much stronger in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber was merely the enhanced gravity (Gohan had NEVER trained in enhanced gravity prior to this) and Goku focused exclusively on Gohan this time. Before, two major factors held Gohan back and then two major factors pushed Gohan further forward.

[@JohnnyDominion]

I always saw it as Gohan was always subconsciously holding himself back. In the anime at least he had to finally want to get stronger in order to make the jump. Gohan was never really naturally violent or aggressive like his father so he never had that inherent desire for more strength. Training is not only physical but a mental exercise you have to want to push past your limits. Like when ypur body says it had enough 20 or 30 push ups is your max but you mind tells you tp keep going break your limitation. Just get 1 more you say then just 1 more than that.

[@EndoScorpion]

I think Piccolo had a massive head start on Gohan to begin with. Judging by where they were at on Namek, and that 1-2 years passed between Namek and Trunks arriving. Gohan didn't train at all but no doubt Piccolo did. Widening the gap even further. Chi-Chi reluctantly gave in, but in the end let Gohan train, with the deal being he focuses purely on his studies after the androids are dealt with. I can't remember about the anime, but looking at the manga now it doesn't say anything about him having to study now and then. I feel Gohan managed to reach Goku's base level post 3 year prep. It's just Piccolo got closer to Goku's SSJ level. Once Gohan reached SSJ himself he quickly surpassed Goku. And most of the time in the RoSaT was teaching Gohan not only to turn SSJ, but how to MASTER it. Sure the sparring and the gravity and other environmental conditions helped. But going from base to Mastered SSJ is significant all by itself.

[@kopo7466]

@@EndoScorpion It never explicitly says whether she did or didn't pull Gohan away to study, but this IS Chi-Chi, she's insanely stupid and ferocious. So much so that she's willing to let the Earth be destroyed, so long as Gohan gets an education (so much is said in the anime and manga). So, Chi-Chi definitely interrupted and interfered from time to time. I definitely don't argue that Piccolo made HUGE gains over Gohan before Goku returned from Namek, Gohan was studying constantly and laxed on his training. Hence why I firmly believe Goku crutched on Piccolo more for training to hone his abilities over Gohan. Gohan made some gains, but nothing significant to Goku and Piccolo. I also won't argue that Gohan reaching Super Saiyan opened up ALOT of his potential, but it still took time before he surpassed Goku. The one on one between the two of them TRULY unlocked his potential. If Gohan was left to his own devices to train on his own, he'd be a duplicate of his future self from Trunks' timeline, stunted in his growth and potential.

[@priestesslucy]

It's fake news. Gohan grew a lot in those three years

[@RealWorldWarren]

We literally couldn’t gage gohan’s power when he didn’t get a chance to fight after the 3 years of training, not one fight remember

[@csl7972]

7:50 "He proceeded to suck him....you know his energy out" 💀

[@kronostobi]

Awkward laugh* hehe

[@joshuajackson7050]

Kmsl😂

[@SuperJutah]

Gohan did get stronger but the Z Fighters MASSIVELY underestimated the Androids…. After all the Androids essentially one shotted the Z Fighters.. There was such a desperation and panic among them that Gohan FORCED Goku to literally kill him to turn into a Super Saiyan and while training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber… Goku noticed Gohan’s hidden power

[@xiaokong9920]

Hey Mike. My headcanon for that is mostly because of what he heard from Trunks. I think when Goku decided to go back to earth he already have intention of training Gohan for him to become SSJ. But when he heard from Trunks that everybody dies and Gohan, even as a SSJ coudn''t defeat them, Goku probably realized that version of him that dies with heart virus also trained Gohan the same way he intended. So now that they have a chance to change history, while still training Gohan he was also training Piccolo (and Goku was probabling thinking that the Piccolo who died for the android, was not close to his SSJ form also). So by basically putting Piccolo close to his max power, Goku could become more powerfull quickly. With that Goku could also preparing Piccolo in case he were to die again (even though Goku received the medicine, don't know how secure he was with that) so Piccolo could guide Gohan to change their future. What makes me think that in when Goku recovered from the disease and nobody died from the androids but they still are a threat, Goku first thought was to make Gohan SSJ. and at the same time he was calmer because of Piccolo`s power (now fused with Kami). Since the future was changed he can fully guided Gohan to a better one while having backups (Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo).

[@iczev]

If Gohan's hidden potential keeps popping up like in DB Super, he'll never lose his big head when fighting weaker opponents. Something his Beast form represents visually.

[@carltonrudolph]

getting a big head after a guy kills your mom and girl is wild

[@carltonrudolph]

@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 super buu he ask goten was videl and chichi alive.Then told buu I dont want to fight you i want to kill you

[@marquisemoody6901]

@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 Buu. Gohan lightweight has a few bone-headed moments that are as bad as his fathers. Buu turned videl into chocolate and ChiChi into an egg(crush her, too). Then he shows up to fight Boo smirking. He should have shown up and got right to vaporizing.

[@marquisemoody6901]

​@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 **got him absorbed.

[@quotivation47]

Lol! "Stubs his toes and gets a new transformation." YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! Great topic!

[@stefanjohnson937]

I felt like he got stronger. He just didn't get to fight

[@theinktician]

This was my exact thought

[@lee1130fromtwitter]

He did he. Knocked 20 down without powering up

[@ThatGuy-a48]

@@lee1130fromtwittertbf you can argue that he caught him by surprise

[@professorintheworks382]

He literally knocked Android 20 off of Piccolo after he drained his energy 😭

[@michaeldowney3431]

I know right 🙆‍♂️

[@roshawnwilliams3495]

Because the plot didn't say so. Gohan (like a ton of other characters) mainly get a big boost in power when they need it. If they aren't relevant to the plot in that moment they really don't gain much power. Look no further to Gohan's rage boosts. He jumps from like 3 to 1,000+ against Raditz which is well over several hundreds of times. But only doubles his like 2,000 against Nappa after Piccolo dies. Or jumping I to the millions against Frieza.

[@mario125ww]

Yeah it's just plot. It's like how goku was weak against raditz but the z fighters became stronger than raditz by training for a year. Then krillin on namek became stronger than the ginyu force who legit are the second strongest to frieza. Just let that sink in. Krillin became stronger than every sayian in only 2 months. The whole point of training for 3 years was to show that no amount of training could prepare them for the androids.

[@roshawnwilliams3495]

@@mario125ww Pretty much

[@fenix1685]

Gohan did get stronger. He kept up with goku and Piccolo in training. He just didn't do anything during android Saga that would show his strength.

[@jeremymitchem327]

I love the format of your videos because it does feel like a fun debate with friends. I actually bring your videos up at work when me and 2 of my buddies talk about dragon ball or they try to challenge me with the legendary DBZ VS Naruto debate because they are both bigger fans of Naruto.

[@divineeternity7268]

It felt like the anime hid Super Saiyan Goku because when he transformed for Future Trunks they only showed his feet. It built up to a debut when he fought 19 and we was finally able to see the hair change and the color flickering effects like on Namek. That's a long time too btw.😅

[@derekclawson5707]

That was Toriyama cutting corners so he didn't have to draw it 💀

[@divineeternity7268]

@@derekclawson5707 Lol. Lazy Toriyama. It worked though. That was a epic transformation by Goku.

[@ShebbaYoung]

damn, i wondered if you stopped making videos cuz i used to see LSM on the front page all the time but not from Nov-Feb... Thats crazy. Glad im back here and you're aware of this problem.

[@44whitelightning]

I felt like Gohan got much stronger. But maybe that's because I also consider the power he showed against Frieza to be an 'amped power that he can't access at will. So, brining up his accessible power level to beyond that is quite a lot of increase

[@Rojiace]

I always find it funny that Gohan always seems to have this hidden potential that constantly needs to be unlocked just for him to get stronger, and it's because he limits himself. Which is probably what happened in the future Trunks timeline. Where Gohan didn't stop holding back against Trunks, unlike what Goku did with Gohan in the hyperbolic time chamber. Great video, sure these could be answered right away, but it gives a better foundation to point to evidence within the story to back up your claims. Creating a more solid argument. Keep it up.

[@shmeebs387]

It's because potential is a moving target. It's how powerful you can become at that time. By training your body and ki, you can raise your potential. It's not a cap on how powerful you can ever become. Strict limits like that are pretty antithetical to what the series is all about, pushing past your limits and constant self-improvement.

[@billywilliams8378]

The better question is why didn’t Goku. Goku was already a SSJ trained for three years and was possibly weaker than Vegeta. Then trains less than a year and masters SSJ. Seems like he was slacking during the three years

[@micahw5575]

Enjoying the video lengths. Thanks for the content.

[@OdeezyBaby18]

Yet again, another great thought piece to a question I hadn’t even considered! Thanks!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Hey Mike! Love your content! You always make My day 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[@groovyq5359]

I love you vids bro and the length, pause, isn't a problem if they really like dbz and f with you they sit their butts down

[@crystalbluepartain3434]

Thank you for speaking with us as a real person and not an ai entertainment bot.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Because he had thay future Gohan treatment lol

[@brianrosado2333]

Thank you Mike, great vid!!! Edit: loving the background!!!

[@rugbyguitargod]

I feel like Toriyama set up Gohan’s transition from the very beginning of DBZ. -He rages and knocks the shit out of Radditz -Piccolo throws him and he blasts a hole thru a mountain (which was an extremely substantial feat at that point considering he was completely untrained) -He manhandles Frieza briefly in both his 2nd and 3rd forms Vegeta wonders how Gohan got so strong suddenly and Frieza comments about how strong he is and should keep an eye on him (which is why Frieza initially targeted Gohan after the spirit bomb when piccolo jumped in front to save him. He knew Gohan was possibly a greater threat than the rest of them).

[@tamish3551]

In the time chamber 1. Gohan had nothing to do but train (no chichi forcing him to study) 2. He was motivated (he was training to defeat the threat instead of just get strong and he wanted to spend time with his neglectful ass father 💀 3. Stronger gravity 24/7 4. Goku had his complete attention on Gohan instead of dividing it between piccolo and Gohan 5. Goku sung “All I want to do is see you turn into a super saiyan”

[@_questdbz]

You better not be calling big goku a neglectful father. Bros the best saiyan father.

[@chadthomas7820]

Im favorite saga in dbz especially when LSM dose the Arnold voice in his videos talking about goku trunks and Vegeta's muscles especially ssj1 grade 3 goku and trunks.

[@terranceyoung1994]

Thanks for still making these kind of videos Mike😊

[@jakd2962]

My theory is because Gohan only trained for less than a year with piccolo. He still needed to build his basic skills and foundation up more. He was also still very young roughly 6.5-7 years old after Namek so his body wasn’t developed enough to handle high levels of power for long periods. By the time we get to the ROSAT he’s around 10 so already a pre-teen, with a more developed body to handle high amounts of key on top of that that training from the 3 years likely allowed him to have much better ki control compared to when he came back from Namek.

[@tberk470]

I was wondering why I hadn't seen your videos in a month or two. Friggin KZbin algorithm. I'm subbed with notifications for all vids but some managed to slip through the cracks somehow. Good to see you again Mike. Another banger video

[@nvp8191]

I think Piccolo Tien yamcha and chiaotzu figured out a way to use the kaioken technique without the drawbacks but not be able to output the regular 20 times maximum for kaioken technique that Goku uses. I think Gohan's base level during the Android saga after training with Goku and piccolo was stronger than both there base level combined but because of Goku's 50 time multiplayer Super Saiyan form it would not matter. Also if Piccolo was able to figure out a similar technique to kaioken with Gohan base level being higher than both Goku and Piccolo it wouldn't matter because of whatever the multiplier is to whatever new technique piccolo may have used on Android 20.

[@EndoScorpion]

tl;dr version: I'd say Gohan did get a massive boost. Piccolo and Gohan just had a massive headstart on him. I'd say Gohan would've reached close to Goku's base level, while Piccolo reached close to Goku's SSJ level. Once Gohan got SSJ he quickly surpassed Goku. The time in the RoSaT was mostly about unlocking and then mastering SSJ. --- The RoSaT training was a massive boost for all the characters that went in at this time. Vegeta and Trunks went from being dominated by 17&18 to dominating Semi-Perfect Cell. Piccolo went from on par with 17 (and dominated by imperfect Cell) to on par with a Cell Jr (which was closer to Perfect Cell levels). Could argue his RoSaT training gave him a better boost than the fusion with Kami did. Having said all that... I don't think the 3 years training prior to this wasn't for nothing. Gohan would've still got a massive boost from it. But consider where the characters were at before this: - Gohan was much weaker than second form Frieza (could only match him with a rage boost). He got a zenkai boost after Dende healed him, but I'd say he was still weaker than Piccolo when he showed up. Gohan never fought or trained again up until Trunks arrived and the 3 year prep began. - Piccolo out-matched second form Frieza even with his wieghted clothing on; forcing frieza to transform again. Piccolo being Piccolo no doubt kept up his training in the 1-2 years between Namek and Trunks arriving. Putting him even further ahead of Gohan. - Goku in his base (with help from Kaioken) was able to put up a good fight against final form Frieza, but needed SSJ to dominate him. He continued to train in that 1-2 year time gap also. After the 3 years preparing for the androids Piccolo was able to reach levels close to / on par with the SSJ's (Goku and Vegeta) at the time. Multiple characters make a comment on this and Piccolo's performance against 20 was similar to Vegeta's against 19. Gohan was still not on this level, because he didn't have SSJ himself. I reckon he might've been close to Goku's base level. Still below it.... but close. Which in itself is a significant improvement from where he was on Namek. Once Gohan got SSJ he was close to Goku's SSJ and didn't take long to surpass him. The main issue with Gohan is his mindest. He doesn't believe in himself and thinks Goku will always be stronger. On top of getting SSJ (which in itself is a massive multiplier) Gohan under the guidance of Goku learnt to MASTER SSJ. Which is also significant.

[@Kenjitsuka]

Another excellent question expertly answered! :D

[@bigrob8517]

Once again a great video with very well researched information👍🏻

[@crystalbluepartain3434]

So i have some thought processing on this topic that is some what based off the perspective given in the "when did goku achieve ssj3" video. If goku and vegeta did use visualization of themselves achieving a higher power to infact achieve that higher power (ssj3 and ssj respectively) then the knowledge of what a super saiyan is could make attaining the form more easy for those who know of its existence. With this logic then Vegeta used knowledge of goku becoming a ssj to attain that form for himself as well as the same situation with gohan neither of which were transformations achieved using strong emotions from the death of a loved one like goku, ssj2 gohan, and future trunks experienced. This could also help explain how goten and trunks were able to attain the ssj form so easily, they knew it was possible and visualized themselves doing it similarly to their fathers and brother. still doesnt fully explain how the younger saiyans were so much stronger then their relatives at that age though could help explain it in that seeing the higher ceilings of the older saiyan characters helped them visualize themselves being stronger plus when ever they trained with the elder saiyans they would be training at a higher level then kid goku or gohan would have been. That may also explain why at the time of the buu saga trunks was stronger then goten, because vegeta had been training him so his ceiling rises then trunks goes to play with goten which had the effect of some of that training and power rubbing off on goten through that experience though not as much as trunks had grown from his time with vegeta.

[@Jim_Lahey101]

Another great video Mike.

[@rodseller9936]

Mike, you are doing a great job.

[@stangundam01]

another thing about the 3 year training is why didn't they ask bulma to make a gravity chamber for all of them to train in while also teaching each other their techniques?

[@MatthewJamesKalasky]

Well, the Time Chamber IS a pretty special place. More impactful.

[@DJAmovement]

I don't have a channel but I really feel should co-op your Arnold throughout your videos more .. 8t might help out the channel more

[@jdidle3130]

When I was younger, I thought it was because child Saiyans had a level cap of sorts. That was pre trunks and Goten getting ssj at a bargain.

[@PriaMason-o8y]

Love it enjoyed your video Mike thank you for sharing ❤❤❤

[@sith29]

Dr.gero to piccolo, " relax and. Think of namek"

[@videoforlife7086]

I know people might argue about this (Cannon wise) I would honestly use dbz kakarot for a more in depth analysis. I mean, people use manga and the anime as an example for feats and scaling of a character, but side quests in that game seems to give more info then the anime, manga, even writers statements could. Like the side quest where gohan fought yamcha Wouldn't take every side quest legit though, but some are considered, in my opinion, is worth noteing.

[@PEPPE93NAPOLI]

I actually went back and checked, truth to be told, most views was 12k on a vid, others were abt 9k or lower.....and now in 2 hrs you're past 1.5k or so.....crazy youtube... Love yr content, whn i get to watch it 🤣 i now put the bell on though 🎉❤

[@RoyalGeeker]

Who said he didnt get stronger? It was never stated he didnt get stronger, if anything it is more implied he trained thus getting stronger during the androids pre rosat. I dont see how you would think otherwise. If anything it shows he kept up until a certain point with Goku and Piccolo due them focusing on being able to take out this dark future threat individually as adults in the situation. If Goku had focused on Gohan more directly and made an effort to teach him ssj instead of later than hell yeah Gohan and Goku would have got stronger. Remeber they got ridiculously strong after Gohan unlocked ssj, Gohan had rapid growth in the time chamber due to the gravity, climate intensity, and a new unfound potential due to a new form. All these things were giving in the material as to why he got vastly stronger than when on the outside during the 3 years. The only people who honestly looks impressive to their pervious selves were Vegeta and Piccolo in reveal of the android sections. Goku, doesnt look that impressive, Gohan didnt show anything beside literally knocking a ssj+ level fighter off of another(showing he got stronger😅) and everyone else including Trunks show no relevant progress lol

[@joshuajackson7050]

What makes a huge difference in current timeline is that in the future saga they didn't get any of this intense training and didn't have access or knowledge to the time chamber, to get years of training in a short time they didn't get warning the androids just showed up.

[@antihero627]

I think Gohan did get stronger during the 3-years of training, he just didn't get to show off his new strength since he didn't get to fight as much as the others. But I take the blow he gave to Gero as proof of his improved strength and it's even acknowledged by his Mentor Piccolo who asked for his help rather than anyone else's. Instead protecting his student, he had faith in his strength and believed he could save him, which he did. Striking a blow to Gero's head, stunning him a bit (I think) and knocking of his hat, just his Dad did earlier to stop him from destroying the city; a perfect father-son mirroring if you ask me. Anyway, if Gero was stronger than Mecha-Frieza (which he is) then it's clear Gohan had grown stronger from his training just as Goku did if they could both strike him like that where as three years ago they would've needed their Rage Boost or Super Saiyan respectively to even match Frieza, but that's just my opinion.

[@djgoku7774]

I've always thought Gohan's potential being locked away is his nature/mindset. He never imagined himself as strong as Goku even in Super. He's always confident that Goku and Vegeta can get it done and neglect his own abilities. Well up until recent developments.....

[@donovanbradford8231]

Overall I think you are on to something Gohan after his time in the wild getting to understand and use his power knows he's strong but not the strongest. Once he shakes off his fear he's not afraid to jump into a fight even against a much stronger opponent because he feels he can't just sit by and do nothing. I think this is something they could have played with in the Android saga as he knows he can't keep up with Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, or even Trunks but when Goku says he's the answer to beat Cell it just is so inconceivable to him that he is front and center and could win or something along those lines. Because him saying I'm a pacifist is such a copout that even Cell just calls BS on him which for a villain to be right really isn't great.

[@Jason5818UI]

You mean recent writing sideline Goku and Vegeta in favor of Gohan and PPiccolo getting new forms

[@cody3504]

I agree with this video I figured this has been what DB fans have been upset about since the Buu saga. I liked the Buu saga and Ultimate Gohan and pretty much everything we got. I argue that we need to bring back Z either pick up after the Cell saga and have a better written Buu saga or pick up on the final episode and bring it back to the logic that already existed in Z

[@LagunaFox]

I feel like the anime actually shows the training for the androids better. You see Goku and Piccolo sparing and then Gohan tries to get in there and he just gets smacked down by Goku and they go back to sparring until Gohan manages to get back up. Everyone was kind of trying to improve themselves versus cooperating to make sure everyone got as strong as possible. Goku and Piccolo have a large amount of experience to draw on to figure out how they could improve as they trained where as Gohan didn't have that, so without specific instruction like when Piccolo originally trained Gohan or when Goku trains him later in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber I feel like his training is just far less efficient. And who knows how much Chi-Chi ended up interfering with Gohan's training as well.

[@priestesslucy]

He did though. Gohan is absurdly powerful in the Android Saga. He's probably twice as strong as Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin, all of whom surpassed Frieza in preparation for the Androids. Don't forget Gohan and Piccolo were training with SSJ Goku

[@rjante2236]

Idk if they all did

[@marquisemoody6901]

None of them surpassed Freiza, that's never stated. In fact, when Beerus meets Goku in BoG, he remarks Goku couldn't have beat Freiza "like that" at his current power and urges him to transform. That alone means all the humans are far below Freiza by the time of Super, even.

[@priestesslucy]

@@marquisemoody6901 this just in, Goku keeps his power suppressed outside of battle

[@marquisemoody6901]

@@priestesslucy He still doesn't raise his base forms power past Freiza's to prove his point. He transforms into a Super Saiyan.

[@priestesslucy]

@@marquisemoody6901 when has Goku cared to prove a point? Matter of fact when has Goku THOUGHT of a point? "Oh, yeah I didn't beat him in base, I did it as a Super Saiyan" _transforms without ever thinking about powering up. Or frankly thinking at all_

[@travishomewood8657]

If we use a little bit of math we can calculate the humans. We know from the daizenshu that Krillin went from 206 to 1770. That's an 8.59% increase in one year of intense training when they know a threat is coming. We know he ended the Frieza saga with a power level of 75,000. 75000x 8.5 equals 637,500x8.5, 5,418,750 x8.5= 46,059,375. That's honestly pretty good. Tien went from 250 to 1830 which is a 7.32% increase. We don't have an official power level for him. Its safe to assume he gained a lot of strength on King Kai's planet and if we use the anime fight with the Ginyu force he had to split his power in half to fight Jeice and Burter both. I keep seeing online they had power levels between 35-45,000. So call it 40k each, that puts Tien around 80k. 80kx 7.32= 585,600 x 7.32= 4,286,592 x7.32= 31,377,853. Gohan has to be comparable to these guys if not slightly above since he was able to at least hit Android 20 hard enough to knock him off Piccolo. its not like someone in the hundreds of millions is gonna feel a hit from someone who tops out in the hundreds of thousands.

[@hibikikensaki]

Gohan was 5 years old on namek. That is one buff baby.

[@sabaton001]

The main focus of those 3 years was to get Goku (and Picollo) stronger. Gohan was there to add an extra difficulty to Goku, since the gap with Picollo was massive. I'd say that Gohan's power did increase a lot during these 3 years, however he still lacked the super sayan transformation. One could even argue that Goku chose to train with Gohan (instead of Trunks or Vegeta) because he saw just how much Gohan improved in those 3 years.

[@spiceyseason981]

Gohan be putting in work, goat activities

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Amazing work as always 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@SamsarasArt]

The simple answer is both the location and the training itself were much more intense in the time chamber. Gohan only became a super saiyan when Goku attacked with killing intent. Not to mention the situation was far more desperate. So even with 1/3 less time, these factors explain why Gohan became so much stronger.

[@Alienldr]

How strong was Gohan on Namek? Was he around Vegeta's level from the saiyan saga? Even counting Zenkai boosts, it wouldn't be anywhere near 1 million in his calm state. Even if he caught up to goku's base after the 3 year training, its still nothing since he couldn't transform. And because of super saiyan, their base could be 15 million against cell, which still doesnt seem like a lot considering everyone else's max power in that arc.

[@Random1567]

Because Chichi was there too much. He was going back and forth between studying and training, mainly to help Goku and Piccolo get stronger and not as much himself

[@Praaggzz]

Training with a super Saiyan Goku in 10x gravity in 1 year… The 3 year was probably distracting with chi chi and piccolo Goku discrepancy of power also when did piccolo fuse with kame? Wasn’t it during android? So after the 3 year training

[@Sjono]

Look at Chiatzu and Yamcha posing like they’re going to make a difference in the Android saga

[@NUTnCASE]

I'd love to see you debate Steedoj. He thinks the Cell saga is the worst in Z and I totally agree. He makes great points that I'd love to see you counter. I think you're both in agreement in the majority of everything else. Especially Super.

[@azuresaiyan9005]

I’ve seen his points. They mostly boil down to inconsistencies and character behavior, which aren’t even a negative. The plot being influenced by character motivations is good story telling.

[@NUTnCASE]

Cell saga is basically make our heroes as dumb as possible to artificially extend the saga. It's such an incredible step down from the Saiyan and Namek sagas especially. Even though it has its flaws, from the Z fighters preparing to fight Frieza on Earth to just before Cell absorbs 17, I think is great. I still love everything after, too, but it really becomes a mess.@@azuresaiyan9005

[@shawnmcvey7789]

Gohan isn't a natural until he's angry, plus he was a kid. I figure he actually got to work on strategy and rebuilding a stronger foundation as a martial artist. Almost every other character in the series pursued martial arts from a very young age. They also loved martial arts. Gohan doesn't truly enjoy the art of fighting until he's older, but I swear he was the one that actually enjoyed academia.

[@crisstoff89]

Because Goku and Gohan had a year of going all out without any restraint of anything around them and pushing their bodies and mind to their best , plus I think Chichi wouldnt let Gohan train as much

[@jamall7003]

Ugh fiiiine I'll subscribe ive watched enough of your vids i was surprised I didn't already lol

[@chrisbell6471]

I think why gohan got so strong in the time chamber was the extra gravity and he had started puberty by then

[@michaelquinn29]

Goku was told by future trunks that he was the missing key to beating the androids, their focus was on Goku getting as powerful as possible for 3 years. When they were in the time chamber Gokus entire goal was focused on Gohan.

[@jayninja8293]

Piccolo could realistically ask shenron to make clones of himself and just assimilate, he only absorbed 2 above average namekians and was boosted way above the power that required the saiyans to condition their bodies and then trigger a rage transformation to achieve, not only would he be a tank, his regeneration would most likely be busted so, psuedo immortality, he would solo the entire series

[@deruneldembal5048]

I love your channel man

[@jrocken20]

Fighting against a super Saiyan and training with that intensity would help anyone become a lot stronger

[@JohnnyDominion]

I always thought it was because the Hyberoblic Chamber gives many advantages that you can't have in the real world. 1. The time chamber can go through dramatic shifts in environmental conditions such as extreme heat or cold at the drop of a hat meaning it will push you hard enough to just survive 2. The time chamber you don't have to be as careful when in the real world, sudden explosions and power ups won't run the risk of causing massive environment and collateral damage. So the Z Fighters do not have to be as cautious so they can improve mich better. 3A. Also given the time chamber is a void of nothing that frees you from many distractions from the real world but will also test your sanity. Given that much time in solitude with no comfort zone can be challenging for the mind. It calls for strict concentration since the mind needs social inelteraction, a change of environment, familiarity that you need to feel at easy. 3B. However being too distracted can prevent you from improving training is not just physical it is a mental exercise you need to push through it order to surpass your limits. There are too many distractions in real life that can be counterproductive so the time chamber can offer freedom than that but it can also be a double edge sword.

[@paulerxx]

Quality content 👍👍

[@benevolentbleedingheart0165]

I just have to ask. What are you using to look at these manga pages? I’m kind of curious.

[@spaghettiking7312]

He did get stronger, just not as strong as he needed to be.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@JSmoothSoul Where is the proof of this powerlevel

[@Antoniodagreat]

@@JSmoothSoulwhat you mean gohan on namek fighting frieza was at 200,000 at normal state and with the rage boost it was question marks 😂😂😂

[@5nesta]

Gohan did get stronger, he just didn't really do anything prior to the hyperbolic time chamber.

[@kingoflions4459]

If you’re interested can you do a video about is hyperbolic time chamber trained goku weaker than everyone else who also went in the time chamber for not being in as many fights as everyone else do to the heart virus sorry that was so long but I really like to see a video about this

[@westonnwaimo4002]

He was stronger than everyone else besides gohan after hyperbolic time chamber training

[@imjustadog1897]

The 3 years of training definitely pushed him higher than before, but because Trunks didn’t give enough details about the Androids the first time, everyone was not prepared for a fight with them. Had he told them about the androids having infinite energy, Goku might’ve trained Gohan better during the time skip. He needed gravity training and he needed to fight in a state where he could maintain his full power for long periods of time and not in short, controlled bursts, which he did in the previous arcs.

[@thirdworldrenegade]

Where do you get the full color manga? I haven't seen anything in color past the Frieza Saga.

[@timothyfrasier8218]

I would love for you to cover what would have happened if Goku would have went into the room of past present and future and met his mother Gine after his training with Master Roshi's master in the anime.

[@bobsmith9804]

Mostly because chi chi didn't let Gohan take his training seriously

[@jamesmacklin1495]

Toriyama writing conventions. There ya go.

[@maniacslap1623]

The Gohan at the start of the Android saga coulda been weaker than his Namek self. He most likely didn’t train until after Goku got back from Yardrat and prior to that, he had only trained once in his life. So his body prolly couldn’t even hold that same level of power as his Namek self. When we look at Buu saga Gohan, he was definitely weaker than his younger self until training with Shin. Very likely this was case with him in the Cell saga. Difference being, Goku actually bought all of his potential to head. Shin, put him back on that level and Elder Kai then unlocks the rest of his potential and he’s just now starting to bring it to bear in Super. But I digress. So he was initially weaker than his Namek self and didn’t get the “dedicated” training in the 3 years. Like u said, he was still also just a base saiyan. It took for things to unfold for Goku to realize Gohan was there only hope and once he woke up, he dedicated the rest of the arc to bring it all out. On your last point, Gohan is still setup to be the main character. AT just has to pull the trigger.

[@TheJokerman321]

He did but the enemies that they were fighting at the time were insane

[@Lexisdad216]

That doors goes to Mike's mom's room

[@BlackNChaos]

You not lying about that KZbin thing cuz I didn't see any of your videos on my feed since October 😂😂

[@Drakeing_Raptor]

Honestly I thought the reason Gohan didn’t get stronger because he didn’t have the chance to fully focus on training with Goku and Piccolo due to school work plus Gohan’s body wasn’t as stressed and strained constantly to make it adapt and evolve as much as in the chamber

[@CJ-111]

This video can’t even get past 32 minutes? Poor effort 😂

[@StareachValcin]

Who's to say that Gohan didn't get stronger during the 3 years of training for the androids? He simply didn't get a chance to fight. Sure, Gohan didn't become a super saiyan until he trained with Goku in the hyperbolic time chamber, but that doesn't mean that Gohan didn't get stronger.

[@RenegadeGamer89]

I like to think that Gohan and Broly are able to unlock new forms and power out of nowhere is more of a genetic trait than anything. If you notice when it happens it's not because they are wanting to be stronger it's out of necessity to survive. Since Saiyans are biologically able to obtain new powers it's possible that Gohan and Broly may have some kind of genetic mutation.

[@MedicEne]

I really love how people still try to make sense of the power scaling in dragon ball 😂😂 as if toryiama doesn’t just make things up on the fly

[@DarkapostlesASMR]

Real answer: Toriyama didn't plan for it In lore answer: Gohan actually got stronger in that time period, he was probably the fifth strongest z fighter at that time. He broke his limiter in the chamber thanks to the power of desperation. They knew how strong Cell was, they have seen the super saiyan was no longer the top so they trained like fools to achieve something even greater. Aside from that Goku and Gohan were absolutely stronger than their version on Namek, Goku particulary if it wasn't for the heart virus he would have been strong enough to one shot Frieza. Lets remember Goku was already exausted when he achieved the transformation, then after the fight he was cured and got a power boost, he trained on Yardrat for a year and got so strong to parry Trunks sword with a finger. Then he trained for other three years to fight against the androids. Goku and Vegeta were already waaaay stronger at the start of the Android saga, also number 19 and 20 were also strong enough to kill Frieza, maybe not one shot but still beating him with ease

[@kelvinsmiles9818]

I would say another reason why future Gohan didn't get stronger was because there was no way for him to train at full power by himself or even with trunks without him being detected. I would say he must have trained with as little power as possible.

[@mannyswift]

🤔it’s possible Gohan did get more powerful, but since piccolo and goku were stronger it wasn’t that noticeable

[@49ers_red_and_gold2]

Wasn't it because his true power was still hidden? Goku noticed his sons hidden power in the hyperbolic time chamber.

[@LSMMIKE]

Goku knew about Gohan’s hidden power back in the first arc of Z. In the manga he says during Gohan’s first appearance “I know he has the power but Chi-Chi won’t let me train him.” And in an anime exclusive scene we see him use it to destroy a tree as a baby. Plus, he saw him use this power against Raditz. Goku said Gohan’s hidden power began to “awaken” in the chamber. But he knew about it for years by this point.

[@nixonandrew3834]

I mean Gohan trained for few hrs with piccolo before the T.O.P and according to Gohan fans he was near ssb kiaoken but in 3years of training with his dad and piccolo. Nothing happened? Plus it was for a global threat.

[@theatlantean8036]

​@nixonandrew3834 He was training with Piccolo off screen the entirety of Super. You can literally see them training before the u6 v u7, and he noticeable gained more muscle due to their off screen training

[@bluecheckmiya]

@@nixonandrew3834dawg just watch the video. Mike has a very good explanation in the video

[@nixonandrew3834]

@theatlantean8036 that type of training should not make him near goku and vegeta strength. When goku and vegeta ask Piccolo to train with them, Piccolo said that his body wouldn't be able to keep up with them... lol! Guess training with weak ass Gohan was more convenient. The dragon ball universe is just full of bad writing. Trying to connect dbz logics with super is near impossible due to the gap between the storyline and new ideas that came along. Gohan in battle of God had his ultimate form but by RF could only go ssj? B.O.G and RF are like a year apart right? So how did he got soooo weak? The z fighters needed senzu beans after battling frieza soldiers is just another weird flaw in my opinion. Namek vegeta was able to destroy thousands of freezers men in the past. Besides tagoma and that red bull looking soldier everyone else was weak and should not require senzu beans after fighting them.

[@KookinHaole]

They put SARMS in the senzu beans

[@OmegaS-117]

More like Chi-Chi wouldn’t let him

[@brandonstewart4032]

The time travel dbz movie🎥 makes more sense than. The Android saga❗❓😔😕😒👍💡

[@SporkyMcFly]

During the three years between Mecha-Freezer and Androids Gohan was likely studying for his career as well. All your points stand, but Chi-Chi was not a fan of Gohan training from the start, and during those years she was in charge of his training.

[@Aheroswelcome14]

Mike that was so sus 😂

[@ItsGarrus]

When I saw him blindside the helmet off of Android 20, someone who is at least amateur-Super Saiyan-level, I knew he’d gotten stronger. 😂