Law Enforcement & Security Techniques That Just Don't Work

[@gajorg69]

I work as a use of force trainer with a phenomenal security company. I've spent 7 years working primarily in hospital security before management and training as primary roles and much of it is to cover liability. All his points are spot on.

[@fatefulbrawl5838]

_Unfortunately, we can't rely on the organizations we work for to give us proper training_ This statement is true on *SO MANY LEVELS!* 😐

[@MaharlikaAWA]

Right. Security companies exist to make millions of dollars and not actual provide legitimate or real security. It's all fake and a show and not actual security. This is a fact. All they care about is state requirements at the minimum level and throwing someone on a site just to be there whether or not he actually patrols much or stops bad guys from doing bad things. Literally just to have a person sit in some room or walk around aimlessly is all they care about. Not actually teaching them anything or making sure they know anything about securing properties and people.

[@gkosan89]

Something I really like about Stephan's videos is that he asks a lot of questions that help answer questions that people may have. This is a conversation between two Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belts and yet they keep it relatable to the general public.

[@jonathanm9436]

This is one of the smartest lessons about control I've seen. Well done.

[@bashlivingstonstampededojo882]

I agree a lot of standing arm locks and wrist locks usually go out the window I think I only pulled off a standing arm lock once in sparring against somebody with no training or experience at all but most of the time I can never pull those moves off

[@jwgoon]

You can do standing wrist and arm locks but usually only with an atemi strike like a punch to the nose, jaw, solar plexus, groin kick or a foot stomp but as Roy said, the risk of injury will be very high and as someone who did do hotel security work for awhile, I realize the threat of lawsuits and even jail is ever present for someone who uses excessive force against an individual. Great points presented here. Keep up the content.

[@blammblamm]

I'm from Germany, started out with "german Jiu-Jitsu", have several years experience in club security, BJJ, MMA. This video is hits the nail on the head. Train realistically, cut the bullshit.

[@robertsmith6068]

that was excellent. very well done.

[@RVVBJJ]

Thank you!

[@heidirosenz]

Good video. We need high percentage stuff not wristlocks on one arm.

[@hellwroughtangel]

Wow you guys covered a lot, very thorough.

[@talalcockar1389]

I used to work at a residential treatment facility and at the same time, trained in Ninjitsu and I found that most of it was superior to the training we received at the facility but of course it was never as neat and tidy as it was in training. I used it for takedowns, restraints and getting weapons away from the residents. That said, I've since realised that there was a lot of holes in Ninjitsu (no sparring) and the pain compliance stuff does not always work. I've since started doing Pekiti Tirsia Kali and felt like it filled some of those holes but I still feel like what's missing is the grappling element. I think the best combination is grappling, striking and weapons training all based on reality with an "aliveness" element like sparring.

[@MaharlikaAWA]

PTK is trendy larper martial arts. Go with a lesser known organization that is not jam packed with foreigners to learn better stuff and less politics bullshit drama.

[@Coconauta]

Good tips! Really useful!

[@victorgeorge4804]

Mr Kesting. A question to you as a BJJ black belt: Is there any validity in the technique in which if you are attacked by 2-3 people, that you can Thai clinch one of your opponents and use him as a shield against the other 2. This technique is taught as standard, but does it work where it matters - the streets?

[@dramaticreaper]

I also want to know the different moves and techniques used when facing more than one guy.

[@charlesmonroe5274]

I've seen this concept before. It's good because it temporarily neutralizes more than one opponent but it doesn't last that long. The best option from that position I would say is put one person in front of the others with the clenched and then push them forward at them and then run your ass off. In all situations with multiple people you should be looking to escape.

[@victorgeorge4804]

It makes sense that this technique is one that is only temporary in its nature. Sifu Paul Vunak once said that in a multiple attack situation the correct response is to reach for a weapon if available.

[@ninjasec]

I do protect services at a Hospital as well

[@stevenwayman4950]

I've have used straight arm bar take down multiple times on offenders and inmates. It definitely works.

[@penegakkeadilanpembasmikej5022]

When people speak by their own thinking without research throughly Arrogant put down a wall that split us from the truth

[@conquerorhapkido]

In regards to the arm bar take down and wrist lock. Stephen, I highly respect and have even purchased some of your material, however I have to disagree with you in this case. Stephen if you read this, I have learned a lot from you and appreciate your awesome videos. I logged in with my school name so if you are ever in the Seattle area, please allow me to return the favor and stop by so I can demonstrate the effective way to apply the standing arm bar and wrist lock. You will find that when executed effectively, it works best against a resisting opponent.

[@bashlivingstonstampededojo882]

I would love to see you make a KZbin video of this it would be interesting thank you sir

[@RVVBJJ]

It's not impossible to pull off, but it is low percentage and I have seen people get hurt trying to use this. Even if I agreed with the idea that a "master" could use this technique with a high rate of success, the diminishing returns to achieve that level would be ridiculous. As in the amount of time spent on perfecting the technique to somehow pull it how would take too much time, in which said time could have been spent learning many other techniques that could be pulled off even with sloppy technique. The technique sucks, and typically the people standing up for it are either huge, strong individuals, or have no actual experience trying to use it/are defending their martial art.

[@ShawntreezyBreezy]

Excellent, my hospital just trained us with that blade hand takedown in the escort hold lol . Glad I saw this

[@MDGivens]

You can do more with an open hand then a closed fist. That’s what I tell my recruits. If it was up to me, I would take punching out of the law enforcement training. My back ground is karate, but I practice kickboxing and jiu jitsu now and teach Defensive tactics. I tell my recruits to look at 3 types of martial arts. Boxing (learn how to close the gap and defend against punches while standing) Judo (for the throws) Jiu Jitsu (for control on the ground)

[@feirabbitt]

Was taught way different from how he is doing it . we put the thumb in the crease of the elbow to get controll. And if it does not work we move on to a different tecnique we do not just focus on one tecnique. And if you are not breaking posture or using kuzushi you are not going to make this stuff work. Breaking posture or pushing and pulling is key.

[@1995Patrol]

And that's sometimes the problem with these, "bs technique demonstrators". They sometimes miss out on crucial points that make the techniques work, especially on more nuanced ones

[@RVVBJJ]

@@1995Patrol I practiced this technique for several years, and tried it every possible way before bailing on it. You're correct that we need to break our opponent's posture, off balance them, adding strikes to distract/weaken, move in an arcing motion to add multiple planes of direction, etc are all things that help any technique. However this move still sucks as something taught to "everyone," light demonstration for talking about the problems of the technique was my goal, and I am sloppy with it to an extent as I ditched it a long time ago. Even with those points of making the technique better, it still fails.

[@1995Patrol]

@@RVVBJJ thanks for replying to my comment. First, I would like to say your channel is great and I'm a subscriber to your channel as I'm a bjj blue belt and always looking for ways to improve. I didnt know that you spent so much time on the technique and I appreciate the effort you took in trying with it. Here is a video of a similar method I used to make the technique work. It will not be 100% rate but higher than other tactics used. Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3utnoyMeLqdg68

[@dramaticreaper]

Just commenting so I can see how he replies

[@toomuch9762]

Exactly. I think this guy is too used to overpowering women

[@marklanda6824]

He’s spot on. But I would say the injury rate is actually much higher with the less effective traditional techniques.

[@DoktorSick]

i worked at group home for adults with traumatic brain injuries and had to do restraints. The stuff they taught was garbage . I used take down i learned from watching ufc.

[@dramaticreaper]

Wait you double leg slam your patients? XDDD

[@marsoc0326]

@@dramaticreaper i know right?! We got the Georges St.Pierre of Senior Care himself up in this comment section!😂😂😂

[@zenrover5507]

perhaps you've watched too much of "Best UFC Takedown Slam Knockouts Compilation" in utube 😂😂😂

[@alexandermontejo1450]

The first technique you showed about that armbar was taught to me by a Navy Seal who had marine training, he told me it does work but you can use it to push the person away or break the arm now he taught me it by grabing the wrist and push with youre palm but when my sister did to me she uesd her elbow to force my elbow joint down and she increased the chance of breaking my arm and I tested this technique on my friend and yet he couldn't get out of it.

[@aplus1080]

People think that military people, esp special forces, know fuckall about normal fighting. My money is on them not knowing ANYTHING about hand to hand combat. Their entire world is weapons. If they're using hand shit, something has gone extremely wrong. I have a marine friend who was like "mcmac is the most real shit! It's truly tested and blah blah people's bones blah blah death blah" and proceeded to show me things I read in Fred Neff's "karate for beginners" book.

[@wilfordgrimley4339]

At first i was wondering why ramsey dewey had a mustache all the sudden...

[@Sigrt]

I don't understand why so many bjj people seem to think Jujutsu is all standing armlocks and wrist locks. I train Jujutsu and about 1/3 of what we train are strikes. And not just front kicks either. We have low kicks, jabs, knees, elbows spinning shit and everything in between. Another 1/3 is standing grapling which involves grip fighting, takedowns, arm drags, a few standing locks and every throw you find in Judo, except we don't put in restrictions like "no blocking the hips" or "don't grab legs". And the final 1/3 is Ne waza. Also known as ground techniques. And it is literally the same as BJJ except if I go for a heel hook, my coach won't run over and tell me I can't do that until I have the correct colour on my belt. And we also do live sparring.

[@demianthebackpackmaia435]

So... MMA basically?

[@Sigrt]

@@demianthebackpackmaia435 Pretty much yes. We don't do strikes in the clinch or on the ground though

[@demianthebackpackmaia435]

@@Sigrt this doesnt seem like traditional jujitsu to me...

[@safdarkh786]

Thats interesting. Havent seen such a jjj practitioner like that though!.

[@demianthebackpackmaia435]

@@safdarkh786 me neither, I definitely dont think this is traditional. I mean theoretically there can be an aikido gym that teaches mma techniques and spars and they could call it aikido and then say hey look aikido actually works

[@_danihdez12_60]

Great content .realistic answers to real situations .I would love to see more of this effective concept .well done and thanks.

[@davidjmathena]

With over 30 years of experience in security, bouncer work, corrections, and multiple instructor certifications in various defensive tactics systems, every single word he's saying is true, and I wish more people knew it.

[@christophervelez1561]

I love this video. Can you go into some more techniques on this subject?

[@RVVBJJ]

We could, anything you want to specifically see?

[@christophervelez1561]

Yeah just breaking down your entrances to your Russian 2-1. I play a lot of Russian 2-1 and found it fascinating how you used it. Also going more in depth as to how to transition from that Russian 2-1 to your various takedown options. Also maybe giving some tips on how to close that space safely without escalating the situation. Like when you talked about placing the hand on the shoulder. I help train Air Force security forces in combatives and this video spoke to some of the techniques I’ve taught like a Russian 2-1. I look forward to more of your videos on the subject!

[@benjustbenwilldo2215]

Yep my org has had some ineffective techniques been in 14 years or so. You are correct. I now train BJJ most and some Muay Thai, if all i got was cardio and flexibility it would still be a great use of my time.

[@martialartsaroundtheworld]

This is an excellent video, really enjoyed watching!

[@ponzee22]

Great video thank you for the good content.

[@mattbugg4568]

Bridge the arm with your wrist grab pull them two or three steps and apply your roll back arm bar, pivot turn 33 degrees and post or 180 and drop them. There is systems to this stuff already.

[@RVVBJJ]

There are many things we can do to make any technique better, but good luck doing that stuff on a strong individual alone. It's a low percentage technique that gets people hurt, it's not impossible.

[@dramaticreaper]

Most of these arm bar techniques need those kind of "pulse" movements or 'jarring' movements meaning it need to be done in one fell swoop, similar to a strike or a judo throw, the reason bjj is so popular is because the techniques actually makes your opponent "submit", meaning you can do the technique slowly once it's in place

[@yuriysemenikhin302]

Just had a similar discussion on another video :-D In Aikido wrist locks make up less then 2% of the martial art, yet everyone concentrates on them and lets the rest of the martial art go. Wrist lock are made under certain conditions, they are NOT a magic cure. Most of Aikido throws and take downs are done against the body, by gaining the correct position to do so, by making sure the opponent is off balance first. And considering that ALL of BJJ take downs come from Traditional martial arts... I guess these guys just needed a different type of teaching :-)

[@wilfordgrimley4339]

Lol naw aikido is shit. Find me one video of it working. Ill wait.

[@dramaticreaper]

@@wilfordgrimley4339 the kimura, 'americana' and so on are all in Aikido too, it's not just the way wrist locks and the overhead throws (which I agree are pretty questionable ). Aikido also does should locks similar to the kimura that is so widely used in MMA, even the reverse "Americana" from the back is Aikido based (I'm saying that it's also in Aikido, similar to how a punch in muay thai vs a punch in boxing is basically the same)

[@wilfordgrimley4339]

@@dramaticreaper show me a video of it working from an aikido practitioner under actual pressure then

[@dramaticreaper]

@@wilfordgrimley4339 you can see here that the video starts really late and that both fighters could have been going for houra already, in some scenes the taekwondo guy fets him a lot but everyone was just having fun and learning from each other. Also he did the reverse 'american' or whatever you call that www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=2ahUKEwjlk5K55LHlAhWJso8KHSTWCi8QwqsBMAx6BAgLEAg&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov

[@michelb8976]

@@wilfordgrimley4339 this is pointless, any working aikido videos are denied with the pretext that it's not aikido because it doesn't look like aikido demonstrations (which were never ment to be "tactical" or demonstrate real fights).

[@michaelflascher360]

It’s not strength advantage it’s a positive or negative mismatch. Not sure who was teaching classes you attended but almost 20 years corrections dealing with Nortenos and Sorenos gangs. What we teach works.

[@michaelflascher360]

I would question your assessment. First there must always be a transition for the officer against the person who resists certain techniques. Next we do want to push for gross motor techniques when possible, but as you stated there are what we would call negative or positive mismatches for control. Seat belt is a great takedown you may want to look into the shoulder vise. Consider team tactics as well.

[@sgtmac46]

Why are you levering below the elbow?😂

[@nopeengi1619]

16:57 That's why it would be worth to "resurrect" Bagua or some sort of Kung Fu style, also it originally was more grappling-like and taught mainly how to take the back

[@miguelangeldiaz9380]

The legal liability and all it's headaches no matter what you do is driving me out of protectives services industry...we are at the point where it's better left to the Knightscope r2d2 robots that people make fun of and toss into fountains...they don't fight back and record everything...

[@mikelagman7662]

excellent technique, absolutely recommended to cover your ass against loosing law suit. So what style is this.

[@nightwintertooth9502]

I like the technique here because the general public most of the time reacts in shock when you slide behind quick do an over the shoulder around the hip lock and yank them backward with you sitting on one knee. Conpletely lowers their defenses to get a hug lock from the back going and psychs the majority of people out into momentary submission. For stronger people it may be a problem. Distance is key to get them to topple. If you can get that back at a 45 degree angle by yanking them into you (A gutsy move dont try if theyre armed) swoop behind with the wrist in hand stick the other elbow against the spine then move to the side and twist your hips toward them to "down down down!" em into compliance youll get it every time without hurting a person. Ive used BJJ and its been so useful. Take MMA that targets the back and takedown via the torso and youll have fewer broken bones,split faces and court cases. Jujitsu in particular targets leverage and joints and for the big guys weakest point on the body. For them picking s point in the attack when their feet are together is a great way to topple them. Use the mass to your advantage. The absolute key to this is not allowing a strong person to crouch and plant their feet so ohysically blocking them from doing so is gonna be that way to do it where no one gets hurt. The techbique itself in the sitting position looks more like an embrace to onlookers. Its a good way to get psych patients to submit because its effectively a hug lock with the ankles over theirs restricting the arms and gives you that opportunity to calm them down. In the psych field Id say it looks the best and is more respective of allowing that person to come back to their senses rather than faceplanting them

[@edwardtindel3312]

OUTSTANDING GREAT MATERAL

[@stannelson4494]

check out ISR matrix its the same moves demo ed, design by law enforcement by law enforcement and security, being taught for police, correction and security world wide

[@setxapart5505]

I once rear naked choked 5 guys - 2 of which, were armed with knives. BEST. MOVE. EVER. for multiple attackers! I was amazed as each subsequent attacker patiently waited during their buddy's blackout. BJJ all the way!!!

[@RVVBJJ]

You have to at least create a realistic scenario if you're advocating for whatever combat sport/martial art you practice. Anything other than a gun, or a really fast run is going to get you hurt against 5 guys.

[@dramaticreaper]

It's one of those stories that seem so absurd that it has to be true, I'm torn!

[@brandonessick775]

Awesome.

[@ninjasec]

Really great video, I enjoyed this and pretty much share a similar outlook. I have learned, tested, and applied 2 techniques from the pressure passing DVD you gifted me for being an organ donor. Does Rory have a page I can follow? - Jason

[@blackpowderkun]

What are your take on striking in the mentioned scenario?

[@jirkazalabak1514]

He said as soon as there are splits on a person´s face, it´s a potential problem, so don´t do it unless you have to.

[@blackpowderkun]

@@jirkazalabak1514 how about body strikes or strike to the limbs?

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@@blackpowderkun Mostly a waste of time IMO. You are exposing yourself by staying mid-range, where you can easily get knocked out. And strikes to the limbs can injure the opponent needlessly. You don´t want to explain in court why you had to stomp the guy´s knee and cause him to have a limp for the rest of his life. Not to mention they are not reliable. If you can close the distance and grapple, that is the safest place to be, outside of running away. Weapons included. If someone has a knife, you want to isolate the hand and pin it to something. Either their body, your body, a wall etc. Staying in stabbing/slashing range is the dumbest thing you could do in that scenario. And once you get into a dominant position(the mount, back control, side control), then you can add as many strikes as you want.

[@blackpowderkun]

@@jirkazalabak1514 ok, how about in a case of multiple perps, where you can't just pin one guy, is that allow the enforcer to legally handle them more roughly, like use weapons?

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@@blackpowderkun I mean, if your life is on the line, then clearly, you should use weapons, regardless of any law. If you dont have any, use improvised ones. In a bar, that could be a bottle, glass, chair, in an office maybe a pen. Anything harder than a fist is a potential weapon. Having said that, security work is no place for heroics. The pay is abysmal, so if it starts getting really dangerous, my advice would be to just run and call back up or the police.

[@DavidMartinez-qy2nl]

That standing armbar does work, you just gotta do something to break down his mobility first. When I practiced law enforcement, we were taught to knee them in the thigh first, then bring them down.

[@RVVBJJ]

Yeah I was taught the same, however, I still think the move is garbage. Can it work? Sure, but there are way better options. I would personally only use it when I have a partner controlling the other arm.

[@DavidMartinez-qy2nl]

@@RVVBJJ I agree I guess it just depends on who you're doing it to

[@safdarkh786]

Exactly. They are ignoring set ups and follow up techniques.

[@killfacebalor2474]

@@safdarkh786 if only they could bring in someone who trained with those more traditional techniques for several years and had some experience trying to apply them in actual security or bouncing scenarios, then they could get to the bottom of this...

[@bashlivingstonstampededojo882]

Standing arm bars and wrist locks standing are very low percentage yes they can work but only against certain people that are weaker and not trained at all some people might be able to pull it off inspiring or pressure testing you would be better off with a double leg single leg armdrag taking their back ect..

[@DONTHATETHEPLAYA321]

You've got good experience..... ❤

[@misse8787]

Thank you, I work in an atmosphere where I periodically have to take people down I need all the help I can get, lol 👊

[@sterlingwilliamson1732]

the point is to break their poster you cant do that with the elbow its not enough leverage use the shoulder

[@wilfordgrimley4339]

Lol youre clearly an expert. And its posture

[@nickelmanful]

He didn't break posture once when demonstrating the standing armbar

[@danielbaggett3424]

He moves like he has a strong kung fu foundation. I recognized what looked like wing chun in the way he moves. Fook sao, bong Sao, lan Sao, hun Sao, etc.... was all in his hand positioning.

[@B-MooreBJJ]

I saw that also.

[@bfloyd1349]

🙄🙄🙄

[@aplus1080]

Most cringey stuff ever. Damn u.

[@89334726]

Aaaaand that would be the reason I sorta dislike jiujitsu randori, doing those fancy wristlocks kinda gets painful to my joints real fast and to be forced to say to my, usually, younger and more eager training partners to go slow kinda bruises ones ego. In reality if you can land a gooseneck with any real effect you kinda need to ask yourself was it really needed in the end since if the pain kicks in enough to make it work there's gotta be some reason still left in the person to be able to convince him to do what I want without using force. But then again my sensei with decades of training can pull the very basic wrist lock so fast and strong I have little doubt he couldn't land it despite resistance. I REALLY wish there would be a self defence system to people, who spend their free time helping others as volunteers in concerts, fairs etc doing first aid and other non-security jobs who are normal people not so young and who can't go hard (bouncer/security hard) with their violent clients. Been doing regular jiujitsu, IBJJF and dutch kickboxing for about a year now and around 90% of what I have been teached I can't apply due to how it would look in KZbin. I suppouse there really isn't a ready solution so it's kinda mix & match, but as a white belt I might be missing a lot of pieces so some pointers would be nice when it comes to easy & SOFT (relatively) escape, takedown, control and restrain.

[@TheEnneagram]

Cool, so how do you defend AGAINST law enforcement?

[@simoneriksson8329]

By asking for a lawyer

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

@@simoneriksson8329 same way they fight you. With guns and back up.

[@Chief2Moon]

C AM You won't last long with that plan

[@pekestyxx6674]

Generally doing what is asked till the situation is diffused and not acting the fool. I know a lot of people’s pride won’t allow this.

[@usenowayasaway]

I already used an armbar to arrest people, so don t say it doesnt work. Everything depends on your skills ans your opponents ones. It also depends on the timiiiiing like any fighting motion. As a policeman i would never try to do grappling in the street!!! Even thou i love that in training.

[@RVVBJJ]

I said I had used it myself, but in circumstances where I had a great size/strength advantage, or where someone was very drunk. I am not interested in training techniques that come with a warning "It depends on the skill or size of your opponent" in regards to it completely failing or not (yes skill and size affects every technique). I want to train techniques that work on skilled individuals, regardless of size, and that have safer follow up techniques for when ever the initial technique inevitably fails. Once you start grabbing your an individuals arm, grappling becomes a very real possibility, but the bigger problem is that it becomes a grappling match where you possibly get reset to a neutral position relative to your opponent if you keep trying to control that arm with some useless arm bars or wrist locks. I don't advocate rolling around on the ground with someone, I recommend getting behind them and putting them down on their butt, or into a prone position immediately, providing the environment is safe to do so.

[@usenowayasaway]

@@RVVBJJ thank you for answering. Submission techniques are not the only answer: we have stick, strikes, take downs, and first we're not supposed to arrest alone. I was just a little annoyed with the tittle, but it s ok! Im an arresting techniques instructor and professional defense one, and i preach what i do in the street. Keep training, and teaching!

[@RVVBJJ]

@@usenowayasaway yes we have many techniques and tools at our disposal. Yes never arrest alone! Cheers!

[@sterlingwilliamson1732]

im no expert but wouldnt it be better if you pushed the shoulder while triping with ur right foot

[@jobond3317]

If you work in a hospital in my country you can not use pain at all in any holds

[@JoseChavez-bt5vj]

Have you guys ever tried these techniques with the gentler touch maybe instead of grabbing the rest you should just rest your hand on top of it when you grab you're sending an aggressive signal to their brain not to mention yes you should commit to the technique but at the same time you should be able to uncommit you can flirt with them do whatever the fuck you want you got to look at it in a bigger picture it's not designed for you to adhere to 1 technique it's designed to experiment and play do it in a way that works for you not what works for someone else if you don't understand you're spacing in your timing then what the fuck are you taking that position for cuz from there you have everything just for an example from that position you could sock them in the face as you do the armbar at the same timeyou can slide your fist down and hit him in the ribs or take him in the back of the leg if they refuse to go down still even their let me grab the hair and pull the head back that's not working and then switch the lock do a judo throw a jiu jitsu throw something and the point is to take the structure and the center line while moving out of the center line

[@abenice]

I used them all and had success. It’s not the elbow it’s the tricep tendon and when you take the opponents mind first it works very well as does the Russian tie. All of these are old school and if it doesn’t work you probably doing them wrong.

[@hamadalrowaie6882]

Come on boy we need more videos !! ☹

[@RVVBJJ]

Stephan and I can do more!

[@brotherbob6171]

THAT MUSTACHE NEEDS TO GO !!! It is so bad I didn't even pay attention to the video. Did you get accepted to the Police Academy or what.???

[@cbeaudry4646]

There's a reason grappling (Greco-Roman Wrestling, Judo, Japanese Jui Jitsu, Medieval Wrestling, Mongolian Wrestling, etc...) has been around for thousands of years. The basic formula (1. Put the guy down as hard as possible 2. Stab, Curb Stomp, or "submit") works in a self-defense/combat scenario; period.

[@grindethiksmedia1644]

I learn it dont Matter what style of martial arts u use because your body might do something that has nothing to do with what u practice

[@miguelcorsi]

so... kyusho training would not be a first option...I guess..

[@edwinthiessen7102]

I don't really think he knows what he is talking about he his showing those techniques totally wrong

[@bashlivingstonstampededojo882]

kyusho certainly would not be my first option lol....

[@greenmagic8ball198]

We live in a society 😔

[@BlackMaskq]

Damn. Didn't know yalls that tall.

[@Master-AGN]

That tache needs a safari suit.

[@sogomn]

What a beard!

[@jahroamfire]

In England we're not allowed these moves 🙁

[@AnnaMorris411]

What about the White Cops that don’t want to get that close to a Black man?

[@Jesswelis45]

That's actually why I'm watching this

[@adamzoubi96]

The only explanation I can think of is he lost a bet. Nothing else explains that mustache!!

[@toomuch9762]

Bjj is not standing or takedowns its wrestling and judo you’re on about. And no offense but id say you only can overpower women and old people. 🙄 “or just sit on a person for half an hour???

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

They are all the same art, the difference is just the competition rules. The moment you start cross training, you will realize it's all the same thing. Chilling on your back, spreading your legs asking the other guy to go inside your guard in order to perform magic is not how BJJ works in a fight

[@Kev80ification]

I.love it! Funny stuff!

[@gunnarneumann8321]

Sounds and looks like aikido

[@Leadfoot_P71]

Hahahahahahahaha

[@markharrell3602]

As effective as BJJ can be it is not the BEST. There is no BEST or ultimate that fits all situations, environments, and body types, etc. The person speaking in this video is expressing from their viewpoint and career experience which is fine but it is dangerous to make generalizations about what will work or which style is best based upon one persons viewpoint. I agree that grappling should be a part of what is taught to all martial artists, but it cannot be the only thing or area.

[@RVVBJJ]

I obviously have a bias to BJJ but in the video I do talk about other martial arts/combative sports (Long video I know). The important things are being trained in the multiple ranges of combat here (Distance, Clinch, and Ground) to cover your ass, and training a martial art/combative sport that has a live sparring element to it. The grappling techniques will vary for everyone, but when we are having to engage, close the distance, and take someone down, then grappling techniques are the best. I'm advocating a grappling approach to these situations not necessarily just BJJ. Providing the situation is safe to do so, I don't advocate rolling around on the ground with someone in a grounded bar.......this can go badly very fast.

[@donnchadhmcginley3153]

Sooo it doesn't work because you can't do it properly?

[@RVVBJJ]

Feel free to read the comments. Conceptually it's a bad technique.

[@donnchadhmcginley3153]

@@RVVBJJ yeah what he's doing is bad

[@charlesmonroe5274]

It's really hard to execute it properly on someone who isn't already physically incompetent. If you got it to forcefully work you would do unnecessary damage and wouldn't be in the best controlling position.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

It works, if you want to break the other guy's arm, which looks terrible on camera and on court, if you're law enforcement

[@donnchadhmcginley3153]

@@jaketheasianguy3307 Yeah I agree, it's amazing how many people can't do it effectively.

[@VestigialHead]

Do BJJ techniques work if someone who has not trained them applies them incorrectly? Because this is what you guys are doing - showing Japanese JuJitsu or Aikido techniques applied incorrectly. I am not trying to say these techniques are fool proof or inescapable. There is no such thing as a fool proof technique. NONE. I respect Stephans BJJ knowledge but I give no respect to his skills outside ground fighting.

[@RVVBJJ]

I'm not trying to do the arm bar take down with much technique, just showing it for reference, or for the comical intro. To answer your question a BJJ technique can be done very sloppy and still work, a Japanese Ju Jitsu technique like this has to be flawless, as well as the follow ups (It's why it is such a beautiful art when demonstrated.) However shit gets ugly in the real world, and I have been in awful situations where I'm trying to survive in fights until my back up arrives. In these instances closing the range on my opponent and by using grappling techniques I had successfully grinded to success with blood in my eyes, and dazed from sucker punches even with sloppy technique. So yes it's safer, higher percentage, and has safer follow ups.

[@VestigialHead]

@@RVVBJJ I am sorry but a BJJ technique cannot be done sloppily and still work. No technique can. I am talking about averages here - if you try a technique a thousand times in a specific situation and it works 50% of the time that is a high percentage technique. If you do the same but do the technique sloppily it will only work on a few lucky occasions - extremely low percentage. Do not think that BJJ techniques are any different from techniques from other arts. Every technique is situational - every technique will have a high failure rate if done sloppily. My point is you are showing incorrect technique as a way to say look this JJJ technique does not work. So that is disingenuous. Would you be happy for that famous fake BJJ black belt Jay Queiroz to make a video showing his armbar and then claiming "see the technique is easily overcome so is not effective - so armbars are useless." If not then why would you think others should be trusting your opinion of an art that you demonstrate incorrectly. I see the same thing over and over being published - mostly by MMA practitioners but BJJ guys are guilty too. They say they will test some self defense or traditional technique. They do the technique slowly, poorly and with no intent and then claim that is evidence the technique is bad. This has surprised me as most MMA and BJJ guys KNOW that pressure testing is critical to getting things to work. Yet they have NOT even learnt how to do the basic technique let alone pressure tested it. So it is a bit arrogant to think that their demo is any way indicative of the techniques effectiveness. If you want to make claims about particular gyms or schools training methods and lack of full contact pressure testing then go ahead - that is where the real problems lie. Not with techniques that have been used for many centuries in real battles. Bad techniques do not survive real fighting for long as they tend to get the person using them killed. All that said I agree that grappling is a very useful skill and all fighters that want to be well rounded need to practice some form of it. The exact same thing can be said about stand-up fighting and throwing arts. All three are needed to be a complete fighter.

[@RVVBJJ]

@@VestigialHead "Not with techniques that have been used for many centuries in real battles".......an interesting claim. BJJ techniques are refined from white belt and black belt level, and arguably can always be refined further. A white belt will be able to successfully execute techniques they have learned on other white belts even though they suck at the technique still. Sloppy techniques being used successfully against lower level opponents, and in time refined. This JJ technique will not work on anyone who resists, and I would argue regardless of how well trained it is. I mean this JJ Arm Bar technique is getting into a grappling range, just like the russian tie as I pointed out in this video. However, we never see arm bar take downs in grappling competitions. You'll argue the timing, the striking to distract/weaken, the element of surprise, sports isn't the place, etc but we don't have those elements necessarily available to us in a real self defense situation. Fights get ugly and most of the time become grappling matches where either 1 employee, or several drag a person down to the ground. This is because grappling works, and when shit hits the fan, adrenaline dumps, and training starts to go out the window these techniques can be done sloppy and be connected sloppy and still be fundamentally sound to work against non trained or poorly trained individuals. Can you imagine standing in front of someone ready to fight you, and attempting these techniques? I hope not, because it doesn't happen, and from a stand point of training efficiently people should be training stuff that works. I trained this stand up JJ stuff for a couple years, it was a tough pill to swallow when I realize that it doesn't work well. I know you won't agree, but I'm just trying to guide Law Enforcement and Security personnel in a safer direction.

[@VestigialHead]

@@RVVBJJ I am saying that if anyone decides to use a particular technique in a fight then they have a very very high chance of failure. ALL techniques are situational. You only use a particular lock, take-down or strike when the positioning is correct and the range is correct. So yes of course premeditated attempts at a technique will fail - it is not in anyway the purpose or intended use of the technique. As for works on an untrained opponent that is pointless. If you are trying to determine a techniques percentage chance then it needs to be tested on trained fighters. As I said these techniques have worked millions of times in life threatening combat. The technique is not the issue. The lame training systems that modern JJJ has employed is the problem. No pressure testing. Teach a person the correct situation for a technique and then make them pressure test it for a few hundred hours and it will work. Not saying there are not woo-woo or overly complex garbage techniques out there. But an arm drag or arm break like you demoed incorrectly is such a core technique that has proven itself over and over.

[@RVVBJJ]

@@VestigialHead I agree with almost everything you said, except for the technique not being the problem. It is, and it will never work against a trained individual, that was my argument (I find it odd you're making that argument for this technique. You can't pressure test this technique against a fully resisting training partner 1) one you'd never get it and 2) that's a tough fall for your partner. Techniques definitely become more viable after hundreds of hours pressure testing, but that's difficult to achieve. A police officer with a full time job, family, etc can only train so much. They need techniques that can be trained hard, and work even if not done perfect. In time I hope people keep training and achieving black belts in bjj or whatever their poison is. A cop with a blue belt in BJJ is going to have some sloppy technique but have many things they can tie together and wear their opponent down. While we struggle to find common ground and argue this point I do appreciate you taking the time talk about this subject. Thanks for the discussion!

[@nicksoloroblox6865]

You just need to strike to distract your opponent and this shall work especially against some pretty strong dude. The problem with these fancy techniques is not the techniques. The problem is how you train. If you don’t spar then you won’t get better. If your trying to apply some armlock like this just strike your opponent a few times and do the fucking armlock.

[@RVVBJJ]

Striking doesn't guarantee anything, and is not always appropriate under the circumstances. Plus if you start striking the person, you are escalating the level of force and you can expect them to throw strikes back if you mess up. Absolutely if the situation calls for it use strikes, but I prefer to avoid it unless absolutely required.

[@JRT140]

I'm not saying that these techniques aren't problematic but I can say they don't work for bouncer dude because he isn't doing them right. Not even close. And ground stabilization doesn't break anyone's skull. Amature talk all of it.

[@kanucks9]

Because no one has ever been hurt by being thrown on their head, right?

[@edwinthiessen7102]

Jrt140 you are 100 percent right

[@RVVBJJ]

I'm not attempting to make the technique good in this video, just showing what it looks like for reference before explaining why its problematic. I practiced many different iterations of this technique before discarding it from my game. "Ground Stabilization?" As in controlling someone on the ground or in a prone position? Obviously that won't break the skull, it's the fall with accelerated momentum into concrete that does the damage. Kind of an odd point to make? If you mean't something else please clarify.

[@JRT140]

@@RVVBJJ You made a video to show why these techniques don't work but you intentionally demonstrated them incorrectly?

[@RVVBJJ]

@@JRT140 not incorrectly, just not trying to do the move "perfect" as I am not teaching how to do it. 1) I don't train that awful technique anymore and 2) No matter how much effort I put into it someone would still complain it wasn't done the "correct way" or the way they were taught. So I showed the technique so people know what it I am referring to. You didn't respond to about your ground stabilization.

[@louisdorsey9201]

I will appreciate if you would stop trying to talk over each other so I can understand

[@amirnasibi9881]

You have didn't learn how shold excute these techniques. you do many of these techniques just Wrong.

[@dfkramer76]

So many things that are right, so many things that are wrong.

[@anurruti]

video is good. mustach is hideous.

[@amirnasibi9881]

Shame on you because you talk about some thing that you don't know it. you excute that elbow control technique so so wrong of course its not work if any one do it like you did.Such a shame!!

[@joshuakeeler82]

Some power ranger, ninja turtle, jedi knight gave this a thumbs down. Shame on you and your fantasy bubble.