WATCH LIVE: Oxford School Shooting - MI v. Ethan Crumbley - Miller Hearing - Day Two

[@longislandny446]

This kid was SCREAMING for help..my God these parents are the ones that should be prosecuted to the MAX!! He should have to do long-term time in a mental facility long long-term.

[@hereweare2031]

Teenagers should have free mental health services regardless of their health insurance status or their parents

[@b.1162]

I think everyone should, but yes, young people especially. Unfortunately, there's already a shortage. Not enough qualified people are available. That needs to be addressed first.

[@judygantz1005]

💖🤝🫂🥰🌸🕯🦋

[@4thegood927]

There is no helping a psychopath

[@ashleypg1708]

Absolutely. Couldn't think of a better way to START helping. ❤

[@ashleypg1708]

​@@4thegood927and with early and easily accessible mental health assistance, psychopaths & sociopaths may be caught and dealt with early.

[@soniajones1519]

It is bizarre that Ethan knew he had mental issues and his parents did not take him for professional assistance. This incident should never have happened.

[@godislove4540]

This is what horrible parenting looks like. They are prosecuting the parents to send a message that any parents who neglect their children and ignore their mental health concerns, will be eventually punished.

[@4thegood927]

Yeah they are definitely horrible parents, and to let him have access to a gun is unreal. But I also know some people who turned out wonderfully who had just as crappy parents.

[@ashleypg1708]

Can't wait to watch them finally get prosecuted & hopefully convicted. They deserve the maximum punishment allowable.

[@donna-leeking2211]

The co council for the Defence is so monotone! No expression & so difficult to listen to.

[@shereesiljac9340]

I hope this poor neglected boy gets the help he deserves and asked for in jail and I bet he will go far with the support and consistency he will have but because he is mentally I'll and can get to such a devastating point, he is a danger to society if ever released.

[@joelsommer5765]

Honestly you are right...I didnt understand before why they were blaming the parents for what he did since theyre not the ones who pulled the trigger/tell him to do it. but after hearing all his journal entries and how he had literally BEGGED his parents that he realized something is disturbingly wrong with his mind....and yet they laughed about it and didnt do anything...yea, they were definitely neglectful.

[@ashleypg1708]

I just want to say, I don't think I've watched a kinder more professional judge, and I've seen a lot of trials and hearings.

[@jmc8626]

Christopher Sabella from Florida is also VERY good

[@jmc8626]

He did the Matthew Terry and Steven Lorenzo trials

[@ashleypg1708]

@@jmc8626 agreed-- love him!

[@cperm1]

I agree 100%!!

[@AICEMarineScience]

BUT GOD! This first girl’s testimony praying with the other female student is incredible

[@san.quentinm669]

Teacher s testimony...heartwrenching

[@user-xf1sv3ps7f]

He was screaming for help. His parents ignored the signs of mental health. Shame on those parents. They need to do life in prison NO PAROLE

[@desidzialo]

this was my high school and my hometown. Breaks my heart that this kid disrupted the peace in Oxford and took so much from those families

[@margaretlumley1648]

Justin and Keegan: two such beautiful and courageous young men. How painfully sad that one so senselessly lost his life 😢

[@JabberJawz.]

Such a nice, thorough Judge. Some could learn a few things from this man.

[@tru3293]

I also believe this young lady was their in that moment for a reason. I hope she goes on to do amazing things.

[@joelsommer5765]

What reason?

[@AICEMarineScience]

To help and pray with the other student

[@jovicrazed]

So much of this was kept out of his mother's trial.

[@florenceglenn4627]

3:58:31 the defense is very monotone and boring

[@Kimbyrleigha]

Why does this look like a courtroom from the 80s?

[@CMpuffin]

Hey, Lady! I'm one of your subscribers. Happy to see you here. About to watch today's deep dive from you.

[@pauline_raabe]

I was thinking the exact same thing! So 1980's some of these adult witnesses seem to be stuck in that same error.

[@flowersalways8611]

I am so sorry for the victims and the families. I'm speechless and can only describe the prosecution as powerful and necessary. This cannot happen again. School districts MUST move forward with this tragedy in the forefront of their minds. And parents--STOP BUYING MINORS GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@fionamckinnon1167]

This will happen again and again because the usa will never change their gun laws.

[@brendaford5542]

And parents… love and care for your children. 🙏

[@notedjog9]

cia gave him shiney gun

[@emboarepic]

I remember hearing about it in 2021 when i was 16

[@aunc3281]

Having grown up with guns (ranching family and they ARE necessary in very rural areas), it was drilled into us kids to have the highest respect for them. We were supervised, and there were major consequences for mishandling them. There were rules, and they were strictly enforced. We were not given the ability to use them until we proved & internalized that ALL living creatures are to be respected and protected. I wish he had grown up the same.

[@angelanew72]

How sad that the only time he could get any type of counseling is after he committed horrendous acts. We as Americans need to commit to making sure those who need mental health services are able to access it. In his case, I’m wondering if the parents refused services.

[@brendaford5542]

Failed by many. I can’t stop thinking of the counselor that did not report the parents and Ethan after seeing that drawing… and parents just did NOTHING.

[@JabberJawz.]

​@brendaford5542 I agree. Anyone could still make out the stuff he scribbled out. The gun, "help me", etc.

[@ReaLondonGirl]

Keegan’s testimony is gut wrenching and the tattoo details absolutely unplugged the tears I was struggling to hold in. I hope he and the other victims are healing emotionally and doing well. I will never understand the US's gun laws and attitudes to arms 😢

[@turtlewoman1]

give him life without parole.

[@paulalyons2785]

I agree give this boy a life without possibility of parole I think if he has a chance to get out he would do it again

[@cperm1]

I increased my playback speed to 1.75X faster during the heavy set defense attorney’s questioning. Her cadence was a common speed like most people speak when I did that. She pronounces ev er y sing le syll a ble of ev er y word. What should have taken 10 minutes ended up taking 30. Total waste of time.

[@irishlass7443]

I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this! It’s painful to listen to and it feels like she has a list of questions that she is going ask regardless if it’s already been answered and keeps going on and on and on. Honestly never watched a more boring unintelligent attorney in all the trials I’ve watched. It’s such a important trial and thank god there isn’t a jury having to concentrate and take in what she says 👨‍⚖️

[@oliviamiller2973]

Fr. She's almost worse than the Jodi Arias lawyer

[@safari79]

The VP is incredibly brave and a true hero!

[@karenhill5925]

Love this Judge very courteous , professional and fair! Just wished somebody would tell him it’s not necessary to keep saying “ with that being said”. That it’s ok to throw in the word “so” instead🙂

[@rosep8481]

Ikr. I wonder if he knows he does that

[@joelsommer5765]

Does that even MATTER? This is a murder sentencing hearing. Potential synonym sentences are the least of the worries here. Maybe the judge has always said that phrase growing up and his brain automatically says it. Thats like if someone says "Hello" and you say '"I wish someone would tell them its not necessary to keep saying 'hello'. That its okay to throw in the word 'Hi' instead." Who cares? Thats just what their brain chooses to say lol.

[@karenhill5925]

@@joelsommer5765 Wow no need to get your knickers in a twist Joel. It was an observation I did not belittle anyone or anything. Sorry it upset you 🤐

[@heidipiette4537]

Such lack of compassion in these comments. Im not without empathy but are you not hearing how this "monster" was creating. His name is Ethan. He wasn't born a monster. His parents nurtured his spiraling out of control mental illness. He asked for help.

[@4thegood927]

His name is spawn of satan. You have no idea the pain and damage he has done.

[@rosep8481]

Both if you are right

[@mickeyd8273]

i'd have more compassion if he had killed himself or his parents

[@heidipiette4537]

​@@rosep8481he's not the spawn of Satan.

[@tjh5437]

Shame on his parents for being so selfish to ignore his mental health.

[@makeshiftmiki]

Kristy Gibson-Marshall is my new hero

[@ashleypg1708]

I know Keegan's story well. Michael Rosenberg wrote one of the most heartbreakingly beautiful stories (for Sports Illustrated) about his experience. It's a raw and painful look at how shootings affect survivors and their loved ones. Please read it.

[@laurenshuler99]

Wow, I read it after reading your comment and totally cried reading it - incredible

[@rosep8481]

Wow. That was a really powerful story. Thank you for sharing it. Im gonna pray for him. I believe he will make a difference in this world

[@zanpsimer7685]

Keegan’s testimony especially breaks my heart.

[@careyculbert5071]

​@@laurenshuler99same - 😥

[@cperm1]

Thank you for your comment. I would have never known.

[@kristinakus4147]

Great and patient Judge

[@reneejohnson4361]

This is Absolutely Horrific! Let there be Justice for Every Life that this Monster Destroyed!

[@brendaford5542]

And to all the adults that ignored his cries for help. America’s mental health awareness is sickening

[@dorishenderson2979]

I am outraged that his team are calling him by his first name. He should be called the defendant so he does not become famous. The judge should have ruled on that right from the beginning.

[@joelsommer5765]

Things are different when it comes to juveniles, than with adult defendants.

[@underyourscars7181]

Why was the prosecution whispering and laughing amongst each other during Dr. Ugo speaking? Rude!

[@heidipiette4537]

Because Karen McDonald is a self serving POS

[@andrayayazzie8495]

His parents gave him a gun thinking he would commit suicide. But instead he hurt alot innocent precious kids who's parents love them dearly.

[@twistedtaurus1979]

I totally agree

[@RoseforTrump]

I think ethn played his parents, and I believe he played the school staff as well, I believe he is smarter than many people think, and I know he pulled the trigger. He deserves life with out parole..because that's all michigan can offer. Live very close to Oxford, just north. Alot of people hunt, there fore. Need guns. Ethan played dad for the gun, and mom for the ammo. Left gun range early, saved ammo for school shooting. School should have had police in the office when the parents got there. He should of been searched as well as his bookbag. Lots of should haves would have saved lives. Ethan belongs in prison for the rest of his natural life.

[@sawardfamily]

It absolutely breaks my heart for the victims and their families that this was so preventable 😢

[@traceonthecase]

His parents were horrible to him and sadly he's paying the price however, when it comes to letting him go, I have 2 words... Baby bird

[@JabberJawz.]

💯 I could picture the horrible things he did to that baby bird.😢 Condolences to these families & friends, & healthy healing to the survivors. R.i P. Baby Bird.

[@avivacohen8785]

This poor kid, according to journal, Ethan was really calling out for mental help, his parents ignored the issue sad

[@jennifersanchezdelaguarda3753]

The DA keeps trying to make the developmental expert walk into his trap, but this expert knows his research and the science and doesn't get tripped up by the DA. Kudos Dr. Keating!!!

[@AlliWritesNow]

I hope the defendant repeatedly saying prior to the crime that hes prepared to go to jail for the rest of his life weighs heavy enough w/ the Judge to sentence him to LWOP. P.s the whispering Psychiatrist comes across incompetent when shes repeatedly asked to raise her voice & continues her monotone whisper.

[@AliM-zr1qp]

Yeah that dr is something else I actually saw her myself as a patient a few times. She’s extremely rude person.

[@ZZZ54321]

His psychiatrist can't follow simple instructions. Speak up!

[@tjohnson7811]

What a waste of time! Just lock this animal up!

[@AliM-zr1qp]

He is locked up and will stay

[@tonidemarco3968]

These are babies!! I have a 16 year old son and the thought of him experiencing anything like what these poor children did makes my heart hurt. Prayers for them🥺🙏🏻

[@MrGrumpyGills]

No, teenagers are not babies. 🤦‍♂

[@aprilschoen5253]

She is really hard to hear on my end!

[@angelanew72]

OMG, listening to these teens recount their experience is heartbreaking. May God bless their lives with peace. We must have better mental health services. We must do something about these type of guns that have no other purpose but to kill as many people in a short amount of time as possible.

[@dorishenderson2979]

Oh! the doctor has to help him to breath, to wash himself etc.. Really? That sounds like a mother.

[@dcc1446]

My husband kept telling me I needed to do something about my depression and anxiety. .I had three different therapists within six or seven months. It was very stressful for me because I would get used to one therapist and then they would leave and I'd have to wait until they found me another therapist the I ended up in the emergency room because I was suicidal the ambulance worker tried to comfort me. I went into the hospital for suicidal anxiety depression and agoraphobia. I am now on a waiting list for 2-3 months, because there are so many people who are struggling with mental illness. I wonder if Ethan had a therapist who believed it was better to listen to what the patient is saying and doing, and offer more than taking pills. The side effects can be horrible. I don't know what Ethan was taking Some medications can do a number of things to you

[@blackwidor]

I'm glad your husband cares about your mental health. I got therapy from a charity I wonder is there something similar near you. Keep up the good fight xx

[@kellijanssen1171]

I believe he was taking his mom’s medicine that she gave him, not prescribed to him (until in jail).

[@HyperRide79]

Again, Clinically insane or "Crazy" people, Don't know they are insane or crazy, And they don't feel the need to constantly make out like they are crazy or insane, They just are. This kid is an attention seeker, Which is probably why he was a loner and constantly being a cry baby. This is why he decided to plan out his crime. He is fully culpable for his intended actions, and His parents are culpable for thier actions as well. Sorry bleeding hearts, The only difference between this kid and a serial killer, Is this Kid did all of his kills on the same day. He is a spree killer who was aritculating his reasons for Killing other kids, Because the government is corrupt and the school system is brainwashing students. He isn't wrong, But he chose to do something evil to get his point across and become "Famous" so everyone knew who he was. LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE!

[@joelsommer5765]

No, thats false. Not all insane people are oblivious to whether they are insane or not. Some do realize something is wrong, because they realize other peopole dont agree with their thoughts and beliefs, but they dont understand why. Thats a misconception that ALL insane people are oblivious. Sure, a lot dont, but don't say ALL.

[@Venusfly72378]

The defense lawyer with the short hair has the most awful monotone. She is horrible to listen to.

[@sarcasmfordays]

Who am I?: "Aaaaand..."

[@katshep5205]

He really resembles Aiden Fucci to me

[@SherrieAllcorn]

I don’t think aiden killed that girl

[@melb2258]

Who in the world is he texting ?????

[@lifeofBaltimorethroughmyeyes]

In Baltimore, Maryland we get time knocked off. Good time, no, that's boy done.

[@elvirasilva6000]

I know everyone deserves legal rep but I could never advocate for this person. He is so cruel and dark

[@olenlanders4007]

Well at least Ethan will have the easy life than others 25 years later better personality but the killing will remain in his nightmares as he grownups never forget. ppl will move on forward takes years tho he will likely help others from his mistakes if child has mental issues then get help immediately before psychos

[@daniellereid6539]

The victim is a child and they're showing her the video for shock value! Win at any cost!

[@daniellereid6539]

Shame on the prosecution for making these kids relive this trauma.

[@sophiewade3314]

@@daniellereid6539 in court or out of court they relive it in their dreams many if not all are in treatment

[@snafu6127]

The Judge sure likes to use the phrase “that being said….” ALOT. Otherwise, he’s great!

[@blackwidor]

I use a phrase as a marker of transition Never knew I did it till I was filmed teaching. 😂

[@beany530]

Picture is weird. Can’t even tell who’s speaking.

[@beatles925]

It's because she's a minor. They're not allowed to film her

[@Zzx75]

He has sure gained weight!

[@reneejohnson4361]

No, he's a Monster!

[@carolynsherman3439]

So sad

[@jonjones4972]

What a cutie. No idea what’s waiting for him in the jungle🤦🏾‍♂️

[@stevea2488]

I would be nice to see the sidebars.

[@user-jq9oo2tx8i]

Ethan Couch part 2.

[@carontuten8007]

And Ummm, is she drunk$$$

[@cozziex2697]

Why does he look so familiar?.. almost as if I've seen him before? When i seen him in my KZbin recommend my heart dropped- i don't know why he looks so familiar

[@katshep5205]

He reminds me of aiden fucci!

[@blackwidor]

Maybe you seen him at the time of his crimes on the news xx

[@cozziex2697]

WAIT I USED TO LIVE IN MICHIGAN- I'm not trying to put myself at the crimescene because i am most definitely not. I wasn't even there when this all happened as i had moved But he looks so so so familiar that i can't shake the feeling. I do have memory problems and it's stressing me out that i can't remember fully ;(

[@Odd644]

This is a young child in turmoil

[@4thegood927]

Get help. This little mfer deserves everything he has coming and more. I know people who would line up to take him out. You are really part of the problem. Consequences are a must!

[@ashleypg1708]

ANTISOCIAL

[@luckewoman0348]

He was....but someday he will be a man with even more turmoil. He hasn't shown an ability to rehabilitate and that is during the time when he would've been on his best behavior....knowing his sentencing depends on it.

[@CMpuffin]

True, which is why I support the prosecution of his parents. However, that does not excuse purposely, joyfully taking many young lives and plunging their parents, friends, extended family, their teachers, the 1st responders into lifelong turmoil and torture. Choices have consequences....even for those who've been treated badly.

[@Odd644]

Sorry for trying to stay positive during this but it's obvious to me reading these comments that people like you may be the reason these kids are doing these kinds of things.

[@Odd644]

I feel as though Ethan has a future. He is going to be an amazing man

[@raer.1665]

What about tearing the beak off of live baby birds (and relishing it both before and after the fact) spells “amazing man” for you? Did you watch the day 1 video? If not, please do.

[@reneejohnson4361]

Lady, you must be Insane! He's a Monster!

[@ashleypg1708]

It disgusts me someone-- presumably an adult at that-- could write something like this after hearing from the state's witnesses. You are sick.

[@luckewoman0348]

Upon initially hearing just about his life and his attempts to cry out for help I had some compassion for him.....I had imagined he may do well with being paroled someday. But once I heard about the torturing of animals, his excitement for the shooting, and that he literally couldn't control himself from going onto a gore/horror site on his tablet from jail.....as if he hadn't seen enough horror by this point? I don't think Ethan can be saved....he is too far gone and too much a risk to society.

[@melb2258]

@@luckewoman0348thank you for this! The torture he put this poor student, Keaton through is enough to Loath him ! The torture and killing of Justin was senseless and demonic ! Never let this kid walk without being handcuffed for the rest of his pathetic life !

[@AICEMarineScience]

Dang! Ethan’s defense is really killing it reading monotone and verbatim on the mic 🫣😬