9 Disturbing Moments from Mom of School Shooter’s Testimony Defending Herself

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[@govindagovindaji4662]

Jesse, why is there what of course, appears to be blood [I am sure it is not, but still] rubbed into your backscreen~? Just b/c this is Law and Crime does not make that a good look. It just looks dirty.

[@B_Bodziak]

What I want to know is how the mother gained so much in prison.

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@ChiBrianXIII It's all about the Benjamins

[@LMAOINMEMPHIS]

Its not the same woman.

[@TrixGearzLee]

Having kids is a major liability. Especially in this day and age.

[@tortillero3138]

If you knew someone was having auditory hallucinations AND visual hallucinations AND tortures animals AND named his pet after a serial killer AND is experiencing insomnia AND is passing out/fainting AND is making drawings saying something along the lines of bloods everywhere the voices won’t stop, AND amnesia. Would you think it’d be a good idea to give that person access to a firearm?

[@craigfinnegan8534]

They created a time bomb and didn't have time to see it ticking down to zero hour.

[@Luvumj2]

He was playing with a Ouija board in the basement at 8. Then started seeing things. Who knows what kind of evil spirits he was trying to connect.

[@madalice5134]

​@@Luvumj2 Ouija boards are made by the same company the makes Monopoly. It's just bits of cardboard and plastic, nothing more. "The devil made me do it" excuses are disrespectful to the victims and shift responsibility from the people involved to a boardgame. 🙄

[@1farahnaz]

​@@madalice5134no matter if you believe in the actual dangers of a ouija board, the 'placebo' effect of a kid thinking their house is haunted is just as damaging. These parents are dark evil beings themselves and surrounded their poor son with all things corrupted, including themselves. Their own son is also a victim in this, I wish he got help instead of life in prison. Something like 12 years plus intensive therapy and education so he will have a second chance at life and perhaps help other children not make the same mistake. Now he's just going to rot in jail just because his parents made aweful mistakes with him. His parents deserve a life-sentence. I wish the families of the other 4 victims all the best, I bet they were balling their fists listning to this aweful excuse of a mother.

[@retro000]

Certainly not a phase!!!! Upbringing has a huge part of any child's health emotionally, mentally and physically. She just didn't care enough. At all. The father clearly didn't have much backbone either as a parent or a husband

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

1. She knew her son was struggling with his mental health 2. Ethan himself says they were not listening to him, and that they wouldn't get him a therapist 3. Instead, they bought him a gun. And not just any gun. But a semi-automatic 9mm Sig Sauer SP (easily hidden, and capable of quick damage) 4. When his Mom caught him shopping for ammunition, she told him "just don't get caught." 5. *THEN THEY GAVE HIM UNRESTRICTED AND UNSUPERVISED ACCESS TO THAT SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL* 6. Four days after they bought him that gun, he went on his planned rampage at his school 7. She, her husband, and their horse border ALL knew Ethan was the shooter, BEFORE the public did. *Guilty. *

[@griffin2263]

totally agree

[@wmdkitty]

Bingo.

[@melissas4874]

It's not illegal to shop for ammunition. She meant don't get caught looking for stuff at school when you are supposed to be learning. The fact that it was ammunition likely wasn't part of the equation.

[@pamorama]

Exactly.

[@pamorama]

@@melissas4874 how is it that you think you know what she meant? And of course what she meant is completely convoluted rather than what is obvious, which means don’t get caught doing the wrong thing. SMH.

[@kelliatlarge]

Her testimony makes her sound exactly like the disinterested, neglectful mother the prosecution is arguing that she was.

[@CHEFKUSHOJ]

She reminds me of a pill junkie

[@carlosidelone8064]

Beautiful portrait (of you ?).

[@janetomes6243]

The parents knew WAY more than they told the school....they held the cards and put forth ZERO effort or diligence

[@jeanbeans7926]

EXACTLY. They turned a blind eye to how sick their son was and were in denial. How could the school possibly have known, these kinds of parents are intolerable and very hard to reason with. I've seen their kind many times.

[@justkiddin84]

In fact, they gave him a gun, knowing all that. IMO they hoped he would shoot himself. 😡

[@divinityomine6935]

​Would literally benefit them. Mom most of all, she was having an affair, felt he was a bother, etc... when he showed signs of suicidality she mostly ignored them, just telling him "don't" . Her responsibility at that point would be to ensure he never had access to a weapon or other deadly or dangerous items AND that he gets psychiatric help ​@@justkiddin84

[@elainecongo3827]

So True! He told them he was seeing things and hearing voices as a parent I would have rushed you to seek help...Sad

[@Undercaffinated]

Knowledge is power.

[@SNOW.STORM30]

If your child’s school calls you with any concern about them being unstable and/or showing violent tendencies, and you’ve bought them or given access a gun which you don’t promptly take it away, you’re responsible too. It’s really not that complicated!

[@rogueninja1685]

They DID take it away. That was the whole point about missing the significance of the gun picture. Because there was gun related punishment. Did anyone in these comment sections actually watch the testimony?

[@rantanamo]

That gun they locked with the code 000?

[@AChocolateLov3rP]

Right? Literally the most useless passcode ever

[@suzettewilliams1758]

​@@rogueninja1685 They bought a 15 year old a gun. Why, who foes that. Get them an XBox or something.

[@obscurity3027]

In the 20 minute video Ethan recorded the night before the shooting, he said, “I wish there was something out there for me; something to love and care about and make me happy.” As a parent, it is my *primary* job to provide love, care, and guidance to my child. This child’s parents didn’t provide any of this to him. The night before the shooting, Ethan and his mom got into a huge argument about his grades and not turning in his homework. Instead of sitting down with him and working on his homework together, she kicked him out of the house where he recorded the aforementioned video. That’s a perfect example of terrible parenting, and I’m sure there were many more examples of it.

[@russellgay5337]

@@obscurity3027 It seems like a dysfunctional home environment for sure. Neighbors of the family said the parents would argue so loudly that the neighbors could hear. Michigan prosecutors say the parents of accused Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley exposed him to years of “chaotic, toxic conflict."

[@dvezia]

“I wish he had killed us instead”😳😳 how about you wish you had gotten him help instead of a gun so he didn’t kill anyone and be free and happy instead of rotting in a jail cell? What kind of a mom is this it doesn’t seem like she cared at all about this kid

[@princessshenaniganspresent5538]

🎯

[@danidan9917]

I know right who the F prepped this woman? Terrible answers. I've never seen such a bare faced liar in a while. Well Murdagh I guess.

[@LynetteA68]

“Mom” is literally clueless and her lawyer & the judge are beyond worthless!!

[@Sloan341]

It was the father who purchased the gun as a Christmas gift.

[@shelleyplemons1362]

I just wrote the exact same thing! Such a strange dysfunctional statement

[@mfmdo]

So incredibly sad to hear her say that she would rather be dead, and have her son still be a murderer, rather than I don’t know maybe wishing she had been more present as a parent, more understanding, and getting him the help he needed?! Shows how selfish she is

[@fanofthedog]

Sucks to say but many ppl would rather the parents gone and the bright young teens still alive and the whole town without the trauma.

[@purplebean8989]

She isn't the one actually saying that; her lawyer has prepared what she wants her to say. It's a shame, because the victims deserve some honestly and compassion here, not words aimed at the jury and judge

[@silversmoke6]

@@purplebean8989 you have no way of knowing that.

[@Chefsandrajm]

Exactly what went through my mind!

[@briang2566]

@@purplebean8989yeah the whole testimony was rehearsed - they usually are, but the big thing to me was saying she wouldn’t change anything.

[@lindapendleton9176]

A school psychologist came ot my house and tried to tell my parents i had some problems. My father told the guy " No kid of mine is crazy!" and almost bodily threw him out of the house. That's the level of caring i got. This was back in 1959.

[@c.swinford8283]

I think that's the thought process a lot of parents have when they hear that their kids have mental health problems. They don't understand and get defensive.

[@indiaandrews6996]

Parents take it personally like they made a mistake and parents become defensive.

[@cathysUtubeXOXO]

So sorry😢

[@athensmajnoo3661]

Buying a gun for their disturbed son is unfathomable 😱😱😱😱

[@meggie11102]

Buying a gun for any child is unfathomable, disturbed or not

[@davidsmiths5471]

​@@meggie11102You do understand this is the Midwest! Guns are part of kids life!

[@bryanlandry1290]

@@meggie11102 Buying a handgun for a minor makes no sense; however, I was given a 410 shotgun at age 12, as did many of my friends. We primarily hunted rabbit. No school shootings, no injuries. Back then permissive parenting and uninvolved parenting styles didn’t exist. Those styles grew out of the 60’s and we’re witnessing the outcome of that social experiment today.

[@dvinedzine]

I think of the Sandy Hook shooting and how that mom was the first victim. The irony.

[@emiliomiller5952]

As someone living outside of the USA, I agree. I just can't get my head around buying a child that kind of weapon.

[@obrien2095]

It’s heart breaking to know he knew he was dealing with a bigger demon than he could control and went to his folks. When she said “I trusted him” - HE trusted YOU to HELP him. What he did deserves his punishment- but these two must be punished as well.

[@Kaanfight]

It’s sad too because clearly he thinks he deserves punishment too, he literally entered a guilty plea (even though he possibly could’ve gotten a not guilty due to insanity, which still would’ve meant a life in a mental institution)

[@hilarriet1075]

He was obviously crying out for help and they couldn't be bothered with him. 😢

[@reenakemp9132]

​@hilarriet1075 it is sad. Ethan Crumbley may be the only murderer I have came across I have sympathy for. His parents carried this knowledge. That young man needed help

[@rosemullen-r5w]

I feel so sorry for that boy. Sitting home alone on Halloween lost his best friend. How cold parents were

[@LatinaLatina1011]

@@rosemullen-r5whe’s 15 . My daughter stopped caring about Halloween at 12

[@mefford67]

His parent’s genuinely couldn’t care any less for their own child. It is mind blowing! 🤯

[@poll2dock]

As a parent I can’t imagine ignoring my child’s pleas for help. That’s the negligence

[@juliaroy1382]

But that's not knowingly choosing not to do anything because there is a 100% chance that the psychopath will go harm students in a school

[@elainecongo3827]

I know as a parent I feel the same way it would have scared me if my child was begging me for help I immediately would have dropped everything and got him help..she did not care one bit..her or the husband

[@davidsmiths5471]

Do you know what your children are doing 24/7?

[@nukeputin420]

​@@davidsmiths5471 did they claim to?

[@davidsmiths5471]

@@nukeputin420 Your answering a question with a question? And to and answer your question, any parent with common sense would say they dont know!

[@roz805]

“He texted ‘I love you’ and I THINK I texted back I love you, too. “ 😦 She’s as warm as a freezer

[@Sunn777]

She lied. She didn’t text back I love you, which was shown on the exhibit of her texts.

[@MattMajcan]

oh yeah, that part was hilarious. she says the texted back i love you too but then not even a minute later she contradicts herself and says that she saw the i love you text after hearing that there was a school shooter

[@cherylboucher4491]

That was striking. All boy moms, know they would have texted back, "Hey bud, I love you to. See you later at home." And then, if they said it rarely, would have been floating and would not have forgotten the exchange. Her apathy before during and now is striking.

[@marshapieroni6677]

​@@cherylboucher4491absolutely. I was thinking the same. So many times I secretly waited for those magical words from my son when he became a teen

[@renatatarnawski5974]

Not a Freezer A freezer sized chunk of DRY ICE

[@adefgsdfsgsdg]

Claiming not to be a failure of a parent after your child kills 4 others is an insane take.

[@croach2194]

Claiming that you would not do anything differently even now indicates the kind of values this woman has or does not have.

[@CCR971]

And claiming she'd do nothing different if she had it to do over was probably the last nail in her coffin. Her lawyer should NEVER have allowed her to take the stand. She came across as cold, self-obsessed, utterly indifferent to her son's victims and lied numerous times. She's a despicable human being.

[@croach2194]

@@CCR971 You are right. She was her own worst witness.

[@rigel2112]

But being thrown in prison for being a failure to be a parent is what is happening. Is that where we want to go as a society? Minorities on board with being prosecuted for their kids gang actions?

[@croach2194]

@@rigel2112 Nobody forces you to have children and if he was an "oopsie" as his mother said nobody forced her to keep him. What you cannot do is neglect a child, ignore signs os mental distress, buy him a gun and when callled to the school over that very distressing drawing fail to tell the school you bought him a gun. That is what she is going to prison for.

[@shaunamerbouhi8053]

guilty...should have never bought him a gun..15yrs old and depressed..what is wrong with these ppl

[@LynetteA68]

Depressed AND hallucinating but we’ll just pretend it was all a “BIG joke” brought on after we let him and his friend play with an Ouija board in the basement!! This woman (can’t call her a mom) is selfish cold and 100% clueless!! Can’t believe even after everything her kid did due to her negligence she STILL acts like she did everything right and claims she “wouldn’t do anything differently”when asked! That right there says it all!! With parents like her and James this kid didn’t stand a chance!!

[@jeanbeans7926]

so many wrong decisions and that's one of the worst they made

[@JT-jr9js]

Not guilty as charged

[@TheTruth-kh2im]

She doesn't even see her own red flags. So what's the point. He's crying for a gun. He does crazy things at home, crying for a gun, and she gives it to him. Obviously, the gun was not locked up properly if it was in the bedroom in different places. And she sees nothing wrong with what she did. So, how is anybody gonna correct that?

[@battseeb1251]

Would you come to the same conclusion if it was done with a vehicle or knife?

[@saralyinn0519]

"I felt like I had an open door and he could come to me about anything"... and then I would just ignore him.... (she left that part out).

[@emmarie2930]

It breaks my heart that he literally wrote "I need Help" "my parents won't listen to me they won't get me help". He was crying out for it. So heartbreaking. Im glad she is guilty.

[@glenmel78]

She says her husband was in charge of the gun yet he called her to ask where she hid the bullets.

[@Cwgrlup]

Buying your high school kid a gun when he has depression or any other kind of moody disposition and not having it in a locked safe where you’re the only one with the combination makes you a guilty parent.

[@kellyreilly-robinson2130]

@@Cwgrlupthis

[@cristineconnell7803]

There was also evidence presented that she was the 1 who went and purchased the ammo!

[@rigel2112]

Maybe hiding the ammo was the only method she had to try to control the gun since her husband was in charge of the gun itself. Not totally unreasonable.

[@michellestechman]

They ALL needed mental health treatment. Narcissistic if you ask me. She only cared about herself. She was detached from her family.

[@gc3847]

Its called trash . The type who think the worlds owe them, yet wail like banshees when they realize its the opposite. Call me a snob ,opinionated or selfish . But dont call me wrong . My wording may be politically incorrect , but ,hey , sticks and stones

[@hannah51238]

100% narcissist. She makes the deaths of those four folks and her son actions all about her, "I wish he'd killed us" omg this is like the narcissistic playbook right here. Poor kid

[@DMaria216]

Right? She’d rather see the man she was having an affair with than deal with her child. I think she hoped he’d kill him self.

[@lucianozo]

Her lawyer asked her if the affair distracted her in any way and this woman literally responded "no". likewhat?

[@mrsterious5845]

I agree about the narcissism. Unfortunately, narcissists are impossible to treat.

[@S-E-P-96]

She knew him so well she texted him not to commit the shooting. She also knew him so well that she was the first one to know that he was the shooter.

[@tobydandelion]

Jesus, even if the boy had killed himself instead, the mother is absolutely responsible for this. The journal entry stating she refused to get him therapy when he asked should be grounds for a manslaughter conviction, alone. She completely ignored her responsibility as a parent. More evil than the child, that's for sure.

[@sarahmurphy8030]

Did the parents read the journal

[@cr293737]

@@sarahmurphy8030 They did not.

[@DeeAnderson-oj2hr]

@@sarahmurphy8030 Yes, they should have read the journal. As Dylan Klebold's mother learned (the hard way), snooping your child's room could save your child from a world of trouble, and save lives. She wrote in her book how she regrets not doing that. If you don't know it, Dylan Klebold was one of the two Columbine shooters.

[@brainstewX]

​@@DeeAnderson-oj2hr That's idiotic. No, parents should not be criminally charged for failing to read a journal.

[@DeeAnderson-oj2hr]

@@brainstewX That is not my point! What could she have done differently? She admitted that she would have done nothing differently. Four kids were murdered by her son! Who would be that confident in themselves in this huge mess?!

[@screamingmetal1598]

Mom's defense: I didn't know, the school didn't let me know i was a terrible mom"

[@marktwiggs797]

Lmfao thats hilarious. She's the worst mom

[@pamorama]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@screamingmetal1598]

I saw her lawyers closing arguments and now I'm not so sure. Either they were bad parents or their son was extremely manipulative@@marktwiggs797

[@screamingmetal1598]

I saw the mother's lawyer's closing arguments and now I'm not cmpletely sure whether the story being told is the full one. I recommend watching it @@pamorama

[@screamingmetal1598]

You should probably watch her lawyer's closing argument and tell me what you think@@marktwiggs797

[@lynnpope5184]

I had trouble with my son when he was younger.... My ex-father-in-law gave my son a gun and lessions when he was visiting. I had to write him a nice letter to let him know that you cannot do that with a child that was depressed and going to a counselor. Sometimes I just do not understand people. Found out as my son grew up, that he has bipolar disorder. It is so important to help your children with their emotional issues.

[@fracturedfairytales979]

Weird response to say she wishes he would have killed them instead. That is really twisted. Seems self serving and victim playing . And, says nothing about wishing her son would not have harmed or murdered ANYONE at all.

[@Stardustpal25]

Imo, she is faking having feelings. She thinks saying that, shes showing shed give up her life rather than others lose theirs. But. Thats sick on its face because she wants Her Son to be the shooter. She wants her husband to be killed too. This statement huge light into her homicidal mind.

[@metalmamasue3680]

I know, it's so bizarre. Talk about being out of touch.

[@DMaria216]

She thinks it’s what ppl want to hear. Her tears are for herself

[@DMaria216]

@@donnamcdonald3709she was neglecting her duty as a parent. Period. Really hope you don’t have kids

[@gabehayes1833]

I think they wanted him to. I think they were overwhelmed with him and didn't throw energy into helping him as most would.

[@jennaelder9645]

when a child asks for a therapist, i always wonder why some parents look past it. If the child is asking for help why not help? so confusing

[@madalice5134]

In my parents case, they always refused because they said they didn't want to be judged by anyone or seen as bad parents. Better to let your kids drown, I guess. It's pure selfishness.

[@steviasativa9803]

Not everyone likes the idea of therapy, some parents don’t want their child telling mandated reporters things etc. there’s all sorts of reasons why unfortunately

[@FourEyedRaven88]

My teachers recommended therapy for some PTSD I had from an event in middle school. My parents refused because they didn't think I "needed a shrink." 😮‍💨 I only found out about this in college. I was livid. I suffered for years instead of getting help because of my parents... Pride? Denial? I didn't even know.

[@jessiestarts6947]

When I was a depressed teen and told my parents about wanting to unalive myself (they saw my sh scabs, that's why I opened up) they both told me, seriously that they were not going to pay for it. They tried to make me feel guilty about needing help like they couldn't afford it. They are both shopoholics by the way and my family never went hungry or without electricity. My dad had a really good six figure job with great health insurance that I was under. When I got older I found out they would've had to pay about $40 a month to get me some help. While my mom came home once a week with hundreds of dollars worth of clothes and accessories from places like target and TJ maxx

[@KeyAnnaMarieBelle]

My parents dragged their feet about helping me. They didn’t like that a narrative they couldn’t control would be out there

[@DucktorQuackers]

man, that kid had easier access to a gun rather than mental help is CRAZY.

[@valerierodger]

Murica

[@shcl3329]

Shocking when she said she wouldn't change a thing. IF the parents didnot buy the gun to an underaged very mentally disturbed son, IF the parents had put the gun and amunitions away with more care, IF the parents had really looked and listened to their son, IF the parents had allowed their son to receive professional counseling, 😢IF the parents had received their son's calls when he really needed them, Maybe the four young victims would be alive and their son would not be in the prison for life.

[@hilarriet1075]

Well said 👏

[@100Mickl]

She didn’t tell school he had a gun - everyone’s fault but hers ? But she’d got time to text and delete texts - she only had 1 child but no time for him - time for horses and affairs

[@whitneykawahara]

​@@stopfairyfascism1267 What does thay mean?

[@elainecongo3827]

And she is serious she would not change a thing..If anyone who is a parent and you don't see anything wrong with the way she handled her Sons cry for help I feel sorry for your children

[@angelwings7930]

If she admitted she’d change anything then she’d be admitting guilt, on the witness stand. 🙄

[@wendymiesowitz1897]

Being a neglectful, bad, or abusive parent should all be criminal.

[@BumbletheBea]

Technically it is. But states don’t have the resources to prosecute every bad parent out there.

[@Sloan341]

@@BumbletheBeaExactly and there are a lot of bad parents. Sometimes kids don’t share the things that bother them with their parents.

[@alphamanga3213]

@@BumbletheBea You are right, where are they going to put all the kids they take away. they usually just go to more abusive homes

[@yummico]

Are you a parent? Maybe your kid would do this, would you know? Of course not, no one thinks someone is going to kill someone. Americans blaming parents maybe go after the gun lobbies. You allow semiautomatic weapons. It's your fault. Your whole countries fault. You putting parents on trial instead of gun laws you sadistic people

[@flamingpitchfork9168]

Thank you for that, too many excusing the horrific lifestyle of that woman.

[@Blessedeveryday-w8k]

Your child says he is depressed and seeing demons so your idea of helping him is buying him a gun... WTF....

[@arizonadreaming4183]

Almost like she hoped he was suicidal, why else would she do that?

[@cathysUtubeXOXO]

I think that's WHY they bought the gun so they could leave him alone, and he would feel protected. I feel bad for Ethan and, of course, those affected by the shooting. The whole situation is sad.😢

[@user-q2Rftt8]

She seems very cold about her son. It's also very disturbing that she would've not change a thing if she could..... She doesn't seem to realize what she did wrong at all.

[@paularosegypsyrc10321]

actually, she was never tracking his location with an app! it was only to her husband. the 360 App was for her husband, not for her son!

[@deannamarie8389]

Which is strange, considering she's the one who had the affairs.

[@SuzysRedStripes]

Wow

[@persephone1583]

​@@deannamarie8389She was probably making sure that she and her boyfriends weren't anywhere near James. What non-cheating person needs an app to track their partner?

[@100Mickl]

She didn’t trust her husband to set ring but it’s ok for him to be in charge of gun - everyone at fault but her

[@cr293737]

You clearly didn't watch the trial. There are dozens of text in which she was tracking the location of her son.

[@amywietgrefe6629]

Her response of "I wish he would've killed us instead" is incredibly disturbing. It shows she doesn't understand the impact her lack of action to help her son with his mental health issues had. Her response SHOULD'VE BEEN "I wish I had done more to help my son to get the help he needed." He was BEGGING his parents for help and they thought it was a joke. It makes me sad for their son.

[@CraiiZeD]

if she was the helicopter parent she claimed to be she would have read those journal entries lol

[@vla287]

She also would have been looking at his phone 24/7.

[@rebeccab2446]

she also would have picked him up from school the day the school called her to tell their concerns.

[@vla287]

@@rebeccab2446 she could have done a lot of things… but according to her she’d have done nothing different. 🤯

[@Sonworshipper]

She was a helicopter SPOUSE. She kept tabs on him like a mug so she wouldn’t get caught.

[@vla287]

@@Sonworshipper preach!

[@perspgold8945]

the mother thought her sons behavior was funny. just sick

[@LynetteA68]

Incredible she actually laughed while looking DIRECTLY at the jury!! If I was on that jury that would NOT have gone over well with me at ALL!!!

[@usaroxx8085]

​@@LynetteA68 Her looking at the jury was creepy. But so what she thought it was funny? That makes her guilty? Cuz you did not AFTER THE FACT. People in these comments are not too bright

[@feralhomunculus]

​@@usaroxx8085Says the one who doesn't even know how to _emphasize_ what she wants to say in these comments without SCREAM texting. Whatever lady, we get it. You're sympathetic to this horrible woman who's about to be convicted of manslaughter and you excuse her actions. You're entitled to your 💩 opinion.

[@feralhomunculus]

​@@usaroxx8085Says the one who doesn't even know how to _emphasize_ her point in YT comments without SCREAM texting. We get it lady. You sympathize with this awful woman and condone her behavior and parenting. Oh and we're all the fools. Got it. Lol

[@feralhomunculus]

Says the one who doesn't even know how to _emphasize_ her point without SCREAM texting. We get it. You sympathize with this woman and condone her awful behavior and parenting and we're all "not too bright." 😂

[@user-lf2zr7pg8c]

Hi. Im from lake orion, right next to oxford. My cousin was in the room next to the shooting. I also go to that Meijer where all the kids went to safe themselves. I know people who were "friends" with the parents. The parents were known to be neglectful. They went to the bar all night almost every night leaving their child alone. They would have affair on eachother. They knew their kid had problems. I think if your neglectful then you should be blamed for your child problems. Im so happy the mother got life without parole. This has effected our community but we are strong. We are "oxford strong". We have definitely come together after this tragedy.

[@arizonadreaming4183]

Too bad, and they let him drink too? But why?

[@Robin-xt7yo]

Would not have guessed this was the same woman. Incredible transformation in just 2 years.

[@Live-Laugh-Love-2024]

Yes

[@Sunshinebaby6]

I said the same thing . Yikes

[@dillchives]

She looks exactly like this lady I used to work with. She was awful too.

[@danomyte67]

I imagine it’s all of the stress, anxiety, and guilt. A cautionary tale if I’ve ever seen one

[@Liv-lq9jg]

@@dillchives lol same!!! And the lady I work with is my nemesis so I pretend that’s her on trial lmao

[@nonnie9589]

They did not pay attention to his needs. They bought him the gun, bullets. 15 yr. Old. . They pushed him aside. She was to interested in her affair, horses etc...

[@usaroxx8085]

This is not a negligent parent case. This is kid killed some people and parent is responsible case....because affair and alcoholic? Good luck to you.

[@silversmoke6]

@usaroxx8085 it literally is a negligent parent case. That is what this entire trial is revolving around.

[@usaroxx8085]

@@silversmoke6 No sweet pea. She is up for murder....

[@molly2frodo222]

@@silversmoke6 no it is not they are being charged with 4 counts of manslaughter

[@dominiquerichmond4074]

​@@molly2frodo222Them being neglectful parents is what's causing them to be charged!

[@aimstar11]

The only leg she has to stand on is blaming her husband and throwing him under the bus - this woman only cares about herself and no one else.

[@cathysUtubeXOXO]

100%

[@lc4011]

"Ummm, btw, we bought him a gun a couple days ago, and he has ammo, too. It has a lock, but we're not using it." Why wouldn't the parents inform the school of this?

[@hypsyzygy506]

2nd Amendment? Everyone has a gun? Keep out of our life?

[@wraynephew6838]

@@hypsyzygy506 what about the lives of the 4 children murdered? The 2nd amendment does not absolve parents of their legal responsibility to take care of their children.

[@juliaroy1382]

lmao because who would? that would be extremely strange to mention

[@wraynephew6838]

@@juliaroy1382 what is strange about telling the truth? especially when lives are at stake? please explain?

[@tarynisazombie]

We see how well that turned out here​@@hypsyzygy506

[@vsbaretummysugastonguetech1540]

It’s not the school’s fault, for anything your kid does. You’re the parent. The school isn’t responsible for parenting your kid. It’s only responsible for teaching them, school subjects. Sick, and tired of parents blaming their toxic kids on schools.

[@silversmoke6]

The school absolutely has culpability here. They failed to stick to protocol that would have ensured he was taken away from the school. Not that it reduces the parants responsibility - but the school is absolutly partly responsible

[@crazychase98]

School at as much fault as the parents

[@tammyirwin703]

And guess what while your children are in the care of the school the school has a duty to keep kids safe nobody said that the school is supposed to be taking place of the parents, but let’s face it the teachers and students spend more time with each other during school year than parents do

[@kurtmaryville4941]

@@silversmoke6The school didn’t CHOOSE to give birth to, and raise this underage weapon. Way to shift the blame from the person who CHOSE to bring this person into the world, to the underpaid school staff barely holding the education system together.

[@MattMajcan]

@@silversmoke6 how would taking him away from the school change anything? he would have just gone and shot up somewhere else instead. you're actually victim blaming. the school tried to help. they saw there was a problem and they tried to tell the parents that the kid needed help. the parents chose to ignore that. you're one of those people who wants to just oppress and bully these children into behaving how you want them to instead of actually helping them.. which is why it just keeps happening more and more.

[@staceylynn7749]

Honestly, I think that if a minor commits any crime the parents should also be held accountable and charged with neglect at the very lest.

[@bellagirlgirl8827]

Sounds as if the parents were in denial that their son needed mental health help. But I think that the biggest lesson learned from this sad situation is that a 15 year old should never be given a gun! If a child is too young to drive a car, then he/she is too young to have unsupervised access to gun -- commonsense.

[@phoenixmerridian9119]

immediately after she says the gun was kept locked away, she says "or well it was supposed to be it was my husbands responsibility and he would hide it in various places around the room" so she knows for a fact a gun was just floating around her room and didn't give a crap about it to ever even say "hey stop hiding it in places and keep it in a safe" ...???

[@christianrox97]

I believe it should fall under the same belief as serving in the military if your old enough to serve your country then you should be old enough to drink and Own a gun with your parents permission but given the situation I have to agree with you

[@turtletruth]

Shame on you Karen McDonald for casting the first stone ...! Shannon Smith is wonderful, honest and pretty...! Her career will likely grow 10X after this abusive witch hunt of a trial ...

[@usaroxx8085]

​@@phoenixmerridian9119 So what? USA has a right to guns here

[@LauraVierre_LV]

Parents are lazy. I see kids driving all sorts of vehicles down here in Florida, having all sorts of weapons, like their adults

[@cail171]

Parents ignored ALL the red flags. Too busy being selfish hqving affairs. Then gives their troubled teen guns. Yes they're guilty too. Kid begged for help

[@jeanbeans7926]

Yup... selfish parents are a scourge and are ruining kids every day. Man we need men to start having free vasectomies. they don't want kids apparently

[@barbarabannasch3458]

They claimed they were on the run because they didn’t want the attention from the press, yet they left their son alone in jail!!!!!! WFT is wrong with them

[@donnamcdonald3709]

He belongs in jail.

[@barbarabannasch3458]

@@donnamcdonald3709 who belongs in jail?..

[@barbarabannasch3458]

Ethan and James are both in jail……

[@AmazinGraceXOXO1]

​@@donnamcdonald3709I think the comment was meant to be like Your kid is in jail and you just straight up leave him when he needs his parents the most? Yes obviously he needs to be in jail. But the mother claims she was caring toward her son and yet had no problem with him rotting in prison while she got to keep her life and her affair. Like " oh well. That sucks. Byeeee"

[@lacyevans7324]

When they asked her if she wishes things were different she say “yes, I wish he would have killed us instead.” NOT “yes, I wish we would have listened and got him the help he needed.” That’s all we needed to hear. She doesn’t get it and should absolutely be held responsible.

[@100Mickl]

Yes if I’d search backpack or if I’d have locked up gun or if I’d got help for son etc

[@100Mickl]

Bowling schedules was a lie he hadn’t done since middle school

[@Weareupallnight2getchucky]

That, and her saying she wouldn’t have done anything differently. I literally was like lady wtf

[@Luvumj2]

Well they didn’t know .. but I wouldn’t let my 8 yr old play with a Ouija board in the basement. Attracting demonic energies.

[@LMAOINMEMPHIS]

If she said “yes, I wish we would have listened and got him the help he needed.” then that may make her guilty. The entire point of the manslaughter charge is, did she do what it took as a parent to prevent him killing. To say "yes I would have done differently" would make her seem liable to the jury.

[@B1LL9465]

Those journal entries are heartbreaking

[@jeanbeans7926]

There's no way they didn't know how unstable he was. It's their main job as a parent after feeding him. These kinds of parents are very difficult to deal with and in denial when you talk to them.

[@llamaface6229]

The cries for HELP literally gone unheard are gut wrenching

[@JustM2024]

They truly are.

[@LianeAlbertNC]

I never watched this trial. I wish I had paid attention.

[@shannonbloom4133]

Mom doesn't seem very engaged in knowing or raising her offspring. A roof over their heads, food, and a chance to attend school just isn't enough parenting for 90% of children in this world.

[@annaandre9131]

😖😣😖 Oh this woman!!!! You're not a victim, you are the perpetrator! Your kid was depressed and had hallucinations and you bought him a gun. He cried for help and you ignored him.

[@foreverme3078]

If she really thought he was dangerous, she never would have bought him a gun. You think the parents would risk their own safety like that? Don't be ridiculous.

[@annaandre9131]

@@foreverme3078 Let's flip that and imagine someone drunk driving killing a pregnant woman and themselves. Do you think they would have done that knowing they were putting themselves and others in danger? What a ridiculous argument, right? According to your logic, drunk drivers are not at fault.

[@foreverme3078]

@@annaandre9131 Buying a gun for their son isn't illegal. Drinking and driving is illegal smart one.

[@annaandre9131]

@@foreverme3078 I'm sorry darling. I'm European and I'm not interested in American politics. Buying a gun to a mentally ill teenager and drunk driving are both very dangerous actions. Don't get defensive with me, I'm in Europe I'm not gonna take your precious gun away.

[@johnhopkins4920]

So true Anna. American in Europe here. I feel safer without a gun over here than with a gun back in the US. Murder rate per capita is 8 times higher in the US than in the Netherlands, where I reside (6.4 and 0.8 per 100,000 respectively). Gun safety = no guns for civilians (let alone kids!).

[@judyp5846]

Ethan has video taped himself mutilating birds, kept in jars in his room. If she was such a helicopter mom why did she choose not to check his phone constantly, after all he was 15 yo . She was so disconnected from her child to not recognize the obvious signs. JC didn’t want that allowed bc it would make her look bad. Unfortunately in most cases the jury really doesn’t get the whole story. Very sad all the way around.

[@hilarriet1075]

He also drew disturbing pictures

[@SusanMarie3]

She was too busy drinking, riding her horses, and scheduling time with her side piece

[@jeanbeans7926]

Yup, and that to me is her big mistake, she didn't want to look bad by taking him in for help. It was all about her.

[@LisaMarie-rh5yn]

omg that is so horrible.

[@marsy1480]

What he did to those poor newly born birds was just beyond evil and completely unhinged. And to record it as well!

[@Estecuban]

So is so nonchalant it’s insane… the fact that she wouldn’t have done anything different says a lot.

[@lynnc637]

She minimized EVERYTHING. Disgusting 🤬

[@kathy794]

Who posts a picture of a handgun as a gift for her son when it’s illegal for him to own one? She was proud to be able to give her mentally ill son a deadly weapon.

[@shaun5047]

To be fair I don’t think it’s necessary wrong to gift a son a handgun and or rifle. Some people like to go to shooting competitions or just like to hunt. The thing is a responsible gun owner would also make sure the minor doesn’t have free access to it. It’s like the parents were not only reckless they put on blinders when it came to the warning signs. lol You know it’s gone to a ridiculous level when the defendant’s own son’s journal entries essentially say what the state is trying to convict her on.

[@Sloan341]

Wrong it was a gift from his father. Also at age 15 you are old enough to own a firearm. Your parent has to sign for it and register the firearm. I’m sure he probably also did hunter’s safety. Remember the gun was under lock and key.

[@silversmoke6]

@@shaun5047 and this is why your country ia full of kids shooting up schools. Giving a child a gun is fking insane and illegal

[@silversmoke6]

@@Sloan341 and yet he still used it to murder 4 of his classmates. American obsession with guns is obscene

[@MonicaLaaabs]

@@Sloan341 In the pre-trial hearing, the prosecutor showed that neither the gun they bought for him, nor the handgun owned by his father, was locked away. Also, in Michigan the law is that a person must be 21 or over to purchase a firearm. A minor may only be in possession of a firearm, while target shooting or hunting, when accompanied by a parent or other adult authorized by the parent. They were not hunters so the only gun use the parents testified to was the times they had taken him to the gun range for target practice.

[@gabrielleo2006]

I was in class when this happened, about only an hour away from the school. When I heard what happened, it terrified me. But when I found out what the parent's refused to do for their son, I was furious. Words cannot even describe the grief that I watched my friends go through after that shooting. It broke our world and caused fear in all of us to even be in school. Those parents deserve to be in prison

[@SherylKaye-x1g]

I believe his journal entries were true. He asked his parents for help on multiple occasions.

[@LynetteA68]

100% agree!!! She’s a flat out liar!! She’s proven that just with all the lies about her multiple affairs!!

[@Liverbird1984]

You're absolutely right. It makes sense as he also spoke to his one friend via text about asking them both for help.

[@hypsyzygy506]

It's a very short journal. Was it written over a period of months, or was it written the week before the shooting as a foundation for an insanity defence?

[@jennaburns8465]

@@hypsyzygy506 No it's not a short journal. It covered months if not years of his WORTHLESS parents.

[@somepeople123456]

She and the father were very negligent in helping their child. He asked for help . He was dealing with and the loss that had occurred and it seemed like he was at home alone a lot. She just wasn’t there for him.

[@cynthiaconnors183]

So, she's the perfect mom and everyone else is at fault. Got it.

[@cr293737]

Well, to beigin with, they didn't search his bag AFTER the drawing in school and calling in the parents. If she gets charged, the school should be too.

[@traceymitchell6619]

@@cr293737 They had no right to search his bag, this was not a disciplinary issue. As far as the school were concerned this was a sad and lonely kid, depressed after his best friend left and losing his grandmother.

[@cr293737]

@@traceymitchell6619 They had EVERY right and probable cause with the DRAWING. This is not rocket science.

[@traceymitchell6619]

@@cr293737 No history of violence, no indication he would harm anyone else. Mother wouldn't take him home so rather than let him go home alone, they kept him at school. They had no information about him actually owning a gun, Jennifer Crumbly did. She could look in his bag anytime she wanted to., why didn't she?

[@traceymitchell6619]

@@ohyesby Agree and I am sure it would have been a disciplinary issue had the mother told them he actually owned a gun, school hindsight is a great thing, mother negligence to inform the school of vital information

[@jonipflager1235]

That entire journal should have been able to be admitted. It speaks volumes

[@janeeden919]

I usually don’t like to blame the parents for their crazy kids but in this case, there’s so much evidence of emotional neglect, I actually feel sorry for the boy. If you look into the detail they really ignored the poor kid.

[@autumngray7293]

Exactly! She KNEW what it was and chose to ignore it .

[@vickiefrisbie1000]

Love that she was in planning mode to the extent that she started deleting all her fb messages, text messages and anything else incriminating on her phone. Why wasn’t she in that mode when her son was begging for her help with the voices in his head? Oh yeah, she was on adult friend finder looking for a “friend “. 🤦‍♀️

[@LibraInSeattle]

The pause when asked if she saw herself as a victim said it all to me.

[@sburn1919]

Said what

[@chelktty]

She seriously said she wouldn’t change anything that she had done if she could go back in time? NOTHING comes to mind?

[@Seaneey]

Wow, what a psycho parent.

[@milktobo7418]

You watch the same video as I did? You are the psycho. So far a sympathetic parent dealing with a teen. I hope your kids aren't mentally ill.

[@silversmoke6]

Shes not a psycho. Negligent, yes. Psycho? Obviously not

[@Sloan341]

@@silversmoke6thank you

[@silversmoke6]

@@Sloan341 the term "psycho" is so over used it practically has no meaning.

[@unclefreddy2009]

Sounds like you either aren’t a parent, or your kids hide their issues from you.

[@michaelcarrig627]

Her statement about her child killing "them instead" is a serious indication of disordered thinking. She does not think that in either case her son will be in jail for life, just that she wants to avoid the judgment that she has to face.

[@Raven_Rozze]

Maybe that kid needs to be in a psych ward for life. It is horrific that his parents disregarding his pleas for help lead to the death and harm of other children and their own son imprisoned for life. His parents should absolutely be held accountable. Parents need to learn how to LISTEN to their children.

[@jeanbeans7926]

Listen yes, and spend time, and teach them stuff, like not to hurt anyone .Good grief, basics.

[@kathleenp9643]

I don’t think he needed to be in a psych ward for life. I think he needed help desperately. If help was provided in a timely fashion instead of a automatic weapon, things would be different. This is tragic.

[@busytha3rd]

Nope death row

[@SeanPGribbons]

He’s going to prison for life no possibility of parole

[@Raven_Rozze]

@SeanPGribbonsRealtor I know and I feel that sentence is inappropriate. I think that given his pleas for help and having obvious serious psychotic hallucinations and mental illness, a psych ward for proper diagnosis, medication, and therapy is more appropriate.

[@KS-hi8vi]

The way he couldn’t keep a room clean is a sign of depression. She moved him into another bedroom and he didn’t clean that up either. She didn’t tell the school he saw demons and had a gun.

[@mkduffy8804]

Oh please when she says as a parent, you spend her whole life protecting your child she did nothing of the sort! Did she protect him by getting him mental health consultation? Did she protect him by not allowing a 15-year-old to have an AR 15? Did she protect her son by being present, and with him, and listening to him? No, of course she did none of these things. She gets a big F in parenting.

[@jeanine9293]

Will the defense be disciplined for all of her inappropriateness in the courtroom?

[@hilarriet1075]

She was the worst attorney I have ever seen 😮

[@Denozo88]

I haven't been able to watch due to school. What exactly is she doing?

[@sabineliebehenz4492]

Don’t think so, seems like the judge loves this kid.

[@cassi7043]

@@Denozo88 her arguments are poorly worded, she compares her personal life regarding her kid’s comparing herself to jennifer crumbley’s relationship with her son, laughed while the prosecutor was asking questions. did i miss anything?

[@Denozo88]

@cassi7043 That would do it. So she's lacking basic decorum of debate 101 as well as blurring the line between being personally invested vs involved.

[@bethkimpinski8423]

I am a retired Child Welfare social worker. You didn’t think them “ hiding out” meant too much for the case. I disagree because I want you to think about the very definition of neglect. On the runaway/ hiding part, by running she is being neglectful of the responsibility that a parent owns regarding and understanding just how OFF she is with running away from reality. This blends in a lot with his needs and mental health issues. Mom is acting so responsible with her Mom responsibilities….. NOT…… he has many needs and big issues. Some good cross exam is needed to know what she really does!

[@craigfinnegan8534]

I agree. The parent's bias for avoidance is actually at the heart of this case. And anyone who avoids US Marshalls is certainly someone who can't handle accountability, and certainly someone who would avoid the (in some ways even scarier) reality of their son's mental illness.

[@cat_lady_ballerina]

The fact that the teenager was sitting in jail alone and they stole his money and effectively abandoned him to avoid arrest was a huge flag to me. Jennifer Crumbley deserved the crappy defense she bought and paid for. She would have gotten a way better defense from a public defender w access to experts etc. But bc she thinks short sightedly about what's best for her.

[@BanFamilyVlogging]

Those journal entries, paired with Ethan’s repeated cries of “you could have stopped me” during his breakdown, give me the impression that this was all an elaborate & extreme cry for help from his parents. His words read like he wanted to get caught before the act.

[@Triggered-RC]

Parents, don’t buy your teenaged kids handguns!

[@Denozo88]

I disagree. Though it shouldn't be free and open access.

[@cindyblumenthal8315]

Especially when they have expressed They NEED HELP! This 15 year old boy has exhibited severe signs of having Mental Health issues.

[@Denozo88]

@@cindyblumenthal8315 I completely agree with you here.

[@RonBeaulieu]

There’s plenty of teenagers with great parents that learn responsible gun ownership. Blame absent parents that don’t teach respect and obedience. Most kids don’t turn out to be murderers.

[@Triggered-RC]

@@RonBeaulieu I’m pro gun, but also pro restricting them. Teenagers can’t possess alcohol, but a 9mm semiautomatic handgun? Sure, here you go, have fun…

[@Erica-vd1gb]

Buying a child a handgun ?? How insane

[@batesvillbilly368]

He was a teenager. This is America. There are millions of "kids" with guns. They don't kill anyone. I think the insane part is him using the gun to shoot kids, but you are having an emotional response and are unable to reason.

[@LynetteA68]

Not just a kid but a DEPRESSED kid who was HALLUCINATING!!

[@LynetteA68]

@@batesvillbilly368the insane part is you not seeing that the neglect of his parents made it possible for him to get ahold of a gun and kill kids!!! Yes kids in America have guns but most NORMAL parents don’t go around buying guns for their obviously depressed son who also claims to be HALLUCINATING!! Worst parents award definitely goes to the Crumbleys!! Even after everything her son did (in good part due to her neglect) she STILL states she “wouldn’t have done anything differently!” That should scare EVERY normal parents out here!!

[@Erica-vd1gb]

@@batesvillbilly368 why do they need a gun I've never needed one . Too many problems were seeing with guns too many

[@Erica-vd1gb]

@@LynetteA68 it's all bad their guilty all 3 are doing time. I do believe parents are responsible that's the problem with families today and the schools that still sit on their thumbs handling any crisis .

[@macmosher58]

She failed her kid. Period. Didn’t want to take him seriously because she was too busy to fit his needs into her schedule. She is responsible, she could have stopped this from happening but she didn’t want to…she didn’t want to take the time out of her life to deal with her son. I don’t think she knew for a fact he would shoot up a school but she also could believe he could do such a thing. She needs to be held accountable.

[@karmaficionado1163]

These 2 parents are ABSOLUTELY responsible, but so is the school. They find a drawing that warranted calling the parents, but didn't search his locker or belongings for weapons? Come on...in this day and age of school shootings which prompted all these new protocals being put in place at schools, how could they NOT search his locker and belongings for weapons?

[@cassandrachestnut4839]

i’m surprised they didn’t call the police after finding those drawings.

[@vidamccurdy9764]

100% agree.with all the school shootings that happened i am shocked they didn't at least keep him in a seperate area until after school and insist he cannot return unless he was in extreme counseling, had a med exam,a shrink exam,etc..

[@bevbradley2]

I'm from Michigan and this hit us hard When I heard that the parents saw him that day and let him stay at school and then he shot up the place the parents are totally responsible

[@phoenixmerridian9119]

At no point does this woman demonstrate she behaved like a PARENT. It's not Ethans job to demand to be taken out of school, Parents need to know when to put their foot down and that it's ultimately THEM that need to be calling the shots at the end of the day. I know we want to give young adults autonomy and privacy, but children weren't always raised with cell phones and it is absolutely a parents responsibility to be checking any device they give their child until they are 18.

[@c.swinford8283]

I learned in my late twenties that my mom used to read my texts. I get why she did but I'm like retrospectively embarrassed for myself lol. I never suspected she did that for a moment and never tried to hide anything. went right over my head haha @@phoenixmerridian9119

[@IGrowGiants]

I think I speak for everyone outside America when I say, why would any adult buy a gun for a child? Straight to jail.

[@msmane-o9607]

There should be mandatory classes before becoming a parent.

[@happyday-yx7mx]

Who would you have teach these classes? How do teach love for your child if you don't naturally have it.

[@bittersweet2166]

It's an enormous responsibility, children are not objects or accessories, there should be SOMETHING for young parents especially, to really grasp what being a good parent looks like. But to each person that could look very different.

[@zacharypelphrey6166]

There would be people in prison because they were too lazy to take the mandatory class. Kids are work, but nothing is more gratifying than watching you kids grow up.

[@ChadThompson-uj3cd]

Meanwhile a woman in California stabbed her BF 108 times and she gets probation.

[@kathleenp9643]

That was INSANE!!!!!!!!!

[@bigcrxxm1876]

Whattt😭 I gotta look this up

[@justthefacts8872]

What does this have to do with a school shooter? I don't see your point.

[@wraynephew6838]

@@justthefacts8872 his point is there is no consistency to the laws and punishment in America. Punishment is different for different people

[@asmrmess]

Any context? Why did she stab him? If it's self-defence, that's better than this woman. Women are weaker, they have to make sure the man can't get up and attack them again. But if it's just murder, then that's insane.

[@anie8148]

She would have done nothing differently? How about get him some help, not allow the dad to get him a gun, told the school about the gun, and taken him home that day.

[@davidpaul6656]

Wow! From those journal entries its pretty clear his parents completely ignored the signs, not to mention him asking for his parents to help him get therapy.

[@annalau2596]

Great parenting. Buying your teenage son a gun but not holding him to basic responsibilities like cleaning his own room, denying him mental health counseling and telling him not to get caught.👌

[@lessnoise2772]

The three mugshots reveal much from their eyes. They all show disdain and resentment at being caught. No remorse at all.

[@swerve3031]

Best 30 minute birth control commercial ever.

[@angelkat333]

He spent a lot of time in the basement playing with a Ouija board.. and he was messing with demons in the house.. how was that not a red flag?? If my child told me that, I’m calling a psychiatrist and an exorcist!!

[@tamimoncrief2264]

Exactly, and she thought it was all a joke instead of taking it seriously.

[@lez0n]

Get that superstitious nonsense out of here! Magical thinking is one of the reasons a person with mental illness doesn’t get better.

[@mkduffy8804]

Father, Malachi Martin, the exorcist used to talk about how the worst thing you could do with an unstable person is give them a Ouija board. And of course a gun it goes without saying.

[@Popeyedfreeze]

Demons aren't real lmfao this guy had horrible mental conditions

[@JohnSpeakstruth]

ouijas boards are very demonic. Those spirits possessed him, the devil came to kill, steal , and destroy. He opened up a door for the enemy 😭

[@presleyvasquez5000]

“I had no reason to monitor him” you had no reason?? The school was literally telling you there were problems

[@akgroves]

she blamed the school ! she's nuts herself

[@cjvaill1339]

I wonder what would have happened if his parents cared about him!😢

[@jeanbeans7926]

Not this, certainly.

[@katl6426]

They would have got him therapy instead of a gun & maybe everyone, including him, would still have a life

[@wiccan1two]

I find it interesting that Jennifer will look at the Jury and speak directly to them when Shannon was questioning her but when the prosecution was questioning her, she couldn't look at or talk to the Jury. hmmmmm

[@michellemonet4358]

I noticed that too. I wonder why😮??

[@FourEyedRaven88]

It's just weird to see anyone talk directly to the jury like that.

[@lennyskinnard3091]

It’s because they rehearse the lawyer questions.

[@H2OBeasts]

She clearly does not have much knowledge about guns in general and gun safety for that matter, based on her testimony. It’s not difficult to buy a simple biometric gun safe. Not to mention the fact that she obviously knew her son was mentally disturbed but they still thought buying a firearm primarily for their disturbed child’s use was totally fine. SMH

[@stancexpunks]

I know what Ethan did was a wrong and evil but seeing his journal entries begging for help and saying his parents won’t listen to him made me feel so sad for him…

[@boballen5268]

yah...nah

[@tomlevasseur8550]

They bought a gun for a 15 year old. They ignored the mental health signs. There are too many signs that were ignored.

[@mustangsally0928]

Both parents deserve to spend a full 15 years in prison with no chance for parole. They KNEW he was mentally ill and what did they do? They bought him a gun! They also ignored him most of the time and lived their lives as if they were single childless adults.

[@lisamatonis4579]

Funny how mom thinks the school should have told the parents how troubled their son was.

[@renatatarnawski5974]

The mother reminds me of an angry mum Who NEVER takes the blame It's Always someone Else's Fault

[@sandracaldwell1125]

Total narcissist. If she would have taken him to a psychologist he may have been hospitalized. Then she'd be free to do what she wanted...if only...

[@Tylwaa]

*TRUE STORY* Yes PARENTS need to pay attention! I was married to a wealthy man who had custody of his teenage son "B" who'd done small things that led to bigger things then a SWAT team raid! Every time this kid got into trouble my ex never listened. After many incidents B got mad and killed my little dog. I'd had him for 11 years. I was heartbroken. What did my soon to be ex-husband say? "I didn't SEE HIM do it!" About not quite 3 years later, I was watching the news "SWAT shoots man during raid!" I was staring at the house...oh my God! I saw the drapes I'd put up. That was my ex's house! Then the phone rang! It was my ex who said "Don't watch the news" I said "I'm staring at the house right now who was shot was it B?" No it was my ex, he was drunk and pulled a gun on SWAT just a wound. Then he said "You know you were right about B! I was so angry I screamed "It's TOO LATE!" Why SWAT? In a nice upper-class neighborhood? B had started having a lot of parties, all the time, wasn't going to school and my ex just said to him clean his room. He was selling DRUGS! and one young man DIED from something he bought from B so his friend told police. When the police went through the house they found cocaine, marijuana, something B was making, needles, equipment, numerous guns and B was driving a $40,000 car! Not working not going to school. And my ex "knew nothing" the same excuse when he killed my dog "I didn't SEE HIM do it!" There's no way there was so much that happened, truth is he didn't care, no interest in his son. Just like Ethan said about his parents. I was so angry about this kid, he had lots of potential he just needed help. He never felt bad about anything wrong that he did, he was never told NO! He wasn't punished when he killed my dog and when I packed to leave he cried and cried and didn't understand why! I reaized I was the only "parent" he'd known. So I told him he shouldn't have done what he did to Max my little dog and he turned to his father and said "Fix it! make her stay!" Fix it. That was what he knew. I moved to another state and years later read about the case online. Still fighting in the courts, my ex's net worth was about 10% of what it was because he got a lot of charges as well! Lots of lawyers lots of money. I've never had children of my own but I know they need attention and guidance. What's wrong with parents these days? Spend some time with them, find out what's happening stop being so selfish, this is a child you made and yes parents should be held accountable until they're 18 yrs old! Maybe, hopefully this case wil make parents pay attention to their kids instead of ignoring them..

[@thebluehotel426]

I'm glad parents are being held responsible for their kids' actions, especially in a egregous situation like this when a gun is the answer for a kid not feeling well.

[@phoenixmerridian9119]

yea people comparing this to opening a gateway to like, kids sending nudes on cell phones and getting the parents charged are deranged. Its not a slippery slope, this was never level criminally negleftful behavior by the parent. People are terrified at the idea that they might be held accountable actually for letting their kids be raised by social media and knowing a gun that they have bought FOR THE KID was not even locked. On top of that laughing and dismissing every cry for help... Time to be held accountable for the situation they fed and fostered. Otherwise, how will we get parents to take gun ownership more seriously, so that they and their offspring respect the responsibility of owning a firearm. Toddlers need't shoot themselves but it keeps happening because the penalties are no severe enough.

[@usaroxx8085]

You have no children, obviously.

[@silversmoke6]

@@usaroxx8085 you dont need to have children to know not to give them guns when they are mentally unstable?

[@usaroxx8085]

@@silversmoke6 Listen. This is why you are a simple person. You dont have kids, ergo, you have NO CLUE about what is and what is not regardling kids...AND....this absurd situation will never apply to you as you are NOT a parent.

[@silversmoke6]

@usaroxx8085 you dont need to be a parent to know that a depressed teen shouldnt have access to weapons? Thats just common sense. Do i need to be a chef to know you shouldn't put destroying angel mushrooms in a meal? Use the single braincell that still seems to be working

[@saramarshall2957]

It actually bothers me that this kid is going to do more time than his parents will. He was literally begging for help. He did not want to want to hurt anyone. He didn't want to be feeling the way that he did and he knew enough to know that he needed some major help and yet no one did anything. They are more responsible than he is, in my opinion

[@SRR0247]

Agree. He had foresight and enough self-awareness to understand what he was feeling and wanting to do was wrong and would result in going to prison, and that he needed help. His journal in essence is his witness and shows he wanted and sought help from his PARENTS and they FAILED HIM. That in of itself should've got him 25 years at a mental facility (instead of life in prison).

[@MrShanester117]

That’s silly. Mental illness has no connection to murdering people. You murder people if you have murder in your heart

[@juliaroy1382]

Are you serious???? The court proved he wasn't mentally ill and he was tried an adult. He killed 4 people, he definately wanted to hurt people.

[@snsn7251]

I totally agree. He just needed some help. Teenagers aren't always equipped to handle things how much more this boy having such neglectful parents.

[@snsn7251]

​@@juliaroy1382No one is saying he shouldn't be in jail. Read and comprehend dont read and be emotional. The court got it wrong.

[@kateprocter4800]

She couldn’t be bothered basically. It’s absolutely outrageous and my heart breaks for those lovely parents who lost their precious children they were bringing up the best they could. 😢

[@nadege1102]

Parents should be held accountable more in school shootings. I don’t believe kids become violent out of the blue. Dylan Kebold (columbine) mom knew about her son’s journals and depressive state…

[@j-smoove3798]

I wonder if they dusted the journal for fingerprints? Mom and Dad's fingerprints might be on a page or the cover.

[@christhorney]

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