‘Monster’: Ruby Franke’s Best Defense in Child Abuse Case Dissected by Famed Defense Attorney

[@sophiakonstantin1248]

In my opinion, the mother spewing lies about her son is an example of narcissistic rage.

[@thepearlswirl]

🎯💯

[@yvonne2965]

Yup, he knew that she was gonna hurt him for telling on her .. That’s why he told the neighbor to call the police so that they would protect him ..Poor child , he totally did the right thing

[@louise3993]

I noticed the young boy did not ask for his dad. So that right there says a lot. IMO

[@triciaperinger2675]

@@louise3993I did not think about that. I think that’s a very good point.

[@penskepc2374]

​@@louise3993OMG 😂 get off the dad, you people have a hard on for him. Repeat after me, Karen: charges require evidence

[@karalee6522]

Someone needs to look into Russell's femur fracture when he was I think eight or nine months old. Her story, which she shared on a Vlog years ago, is that Russell rolled off the couch and she picked him up and thought that he was fine. Then a week later he wouldn't stop crying so she took him to the emergency room and they found that her baby had a femur fracture. It is of note that babies bones are a little flexible still at this time in development, and the femur is the strongest bone in the body. It takes force to break. Ruby’s story does not match the mechanism of injury. She took an entire week to get him seen for this, so he was suffering all that time. The story makes no sense and should have been investigated.

[@sharonhoward884]

Wow, if that's true I'm very surprised CPS didn't interview her at the hospital. It would be very very very hard for a baby that age to fracture their femur from rolling off the couch or anything else with a similar and soft impact.

[@Elegant_Sausage]

Dude, a femur fracture on my 3 month old nephew is what got him taken away (rightly so) from my sister and my nephews dad. It's a big deal and can't really happen by accident ...

[@michelle7959]

You are absolutely correct, it takes great force to break a babies bone. I hope this is brought up in court.

[@1975jstar]

😳 😡 😢

[@leahbeahh]

Oh my god I have chills reading this are you kidding me. I hope more information comes out about that

[@Goodnessprevails]

She accused her son of these atrocities at her arraignment because his escape is why she’s in jail. Ruby is a vindictive human who loved the control she could wage over her children. I believe we are going to learn she’s a evil and mentally ill person. Ruby is a narcissistic personality who is always the victim. Her partner in her show is/was also her counselor. If you follow this from the beginning you’ll find the co-defendant in this case has damaged many families and people in her “career”.

[@melissas4874]

But she had the daughter tied up too so I'm sure any judge or jury would wonder why she tied up their girl if the boy was committing SA.

[@lifeislife489]

Exactly why she said those things about her, but her daughter was in bad shape as well. She can't use that excuse. What kind of mother puts that info out in the world anyways? She is horrible.

[@andyminsky9435]

@@melissas4874 She has said the child in question (R) made a sibling (E) engage in SA of other children as well.

[@Bryan_Master_Blaster]

I'm thinking that by making this accusation against her son, she might think that she's preemptively tainting any testimony that he might make against her.

[@georgegarvey7338]

She hates men. She's an efinauzi.

[@jillianelliott4654]

She is not suffering from a mental defect in my opinion. She is just evil and cruel and she got caught!

[@peggycamp9503]

Agreed

[@MrsEyes512]

Don't forget her #1 issue. Shes a Narcissist.

[@mariapilarme]

She is a narcissist psychopath, they don’t have empathy.

[@acorn-i6m]

Exactly. Some people truly suffer from mental health. She’s just a monster.

[@andreeap-kj8kh]

Of course she is not I’ll she is evil ! She’s a psychopath !

[@weaviejeebies]

She's a sadistic bully that picks on small, helpless people to gratify her need for power, pleasure, and control. I doubt a defense lawyer is even going to entertain the idea of acquittal. This is more of a "make sure the gov plays by the rules as they put her behind bars" sort of case.

[@Lisa-pb3qp]

Right. I agree.

[@pamalojo]

That smug little smirk when she talks about uncomfortable conversations and confrontations shows how she looked forward to being cruel. I saw a video clip of Ruby threatening to cut off the head of her little girl's toy as a punishment for her daughter cutting something that she shouldn't have. The poor little thing just burst into tears. My heart just broke when I saw that. When I was little, my dolls and stuffed toys were alive to me. I loved them and talked to them and cared for them. How is that ok?

[@tatesmom5831]

​@@pamalojoright? I feel like she gets that smirk every time she's about to be abusive. It's sick.

[@loralieisa]

Ruby did far worse than even that. she starved them stunting their growth and leaving them with life long skeletal issues and developmental issues. Emaciation and malnourishment happens over a significant time span. She is a sadistic monster.

[@Maiju86]

Exactly. 👏

[@urjust2cool]

she knew the police were coming because she realized the kid escaped... which makes it apparent that she's mentally aware what she did was not only wrong but criminal

[@DaleyDale]

no... their connection probably warned her. the same people who probably let them get away on previous cps visit at their house. the lds tentacles is everywhere in Utah.

[@judyannkiwi]

I think she thought the husband would gather the kids so they don't talk about what really is going on. But, it was too late little did she know.

[@Misunao23]

The kid escapes and she calls her husband. Not out of concern for her child. But cuz the child escaped and she needed someone to wrangle the rest of the kids.

[@mustlovedogs5569]

@@Misunao23 and k bin didn’t want to answer her messages and calls but she was saying it’s an emergency

[@pistachiosandpopcorn7146]

I can’t believe it’s even being debated. Two evil women along with that husband …all need to be locked up for good.

[@chickenlittle5095]

Blaming mental health seems to be the new way to avoid accountability and that is disgusting. She was making money off this!!

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

This female is proving she has no mental health issues. The fact she called her husband. The fact she asked for a lawyer instead of asking about her children is the real problem.

[@marrop2760]

she's a sociopath...@@eileenmcdonald1599

[@TheMeladya]

No. Pleading insanity is a cop out as old as time.

[@loralieisa]

@@TheMeladya She doesn't fit the legal definition of being insane and won't be able to pull that one off. Although she undeniably is one sick woman coupled with another sick woman.

[@iamz_mbie]

do you really think it’s possible for a sane person to lack empathy for their own children??

[@lr8607]

Tying the kids up at your business partner’s house is pretty indicative of consciousness that what she was doing was wrong. She was hiding what she was doing.

[@ravenzyblack]

Right. If she didn’t think what she was doing was wrong she would have done it at her own home, not somebody else’s house.

[@jacquelineglitter4328]

She called the Dad right before she was arrested. She knew that she what she was doing was wrong.

[@WildOrsonNatureAdventures]

I think part of the reason she took them there was because she got cps called on her for leaving her kids alone at her house.

[@Crim3Watch3r]

Easy way to hide the kids being tied up. It's absolutely insane to me that this didn't happen sooner. I'm SO GLAD the young boy made it out and got them some help! He's the real HERO rn! The dad's nothing but trash at this point. He KNEW what was happening. Idc what he claims. Just like .. the family knew as well. 🙄 no one did anything.... At all ... until it comes out publicly.

[@KimmyP813]

​@HeSsO19 the worst part is that many people did do something and these kids were still failed! Her oldest daughter, neighbors and teachers all called either police and/or DCFS for 3 years! Thank the lord that this amazingly strong little boy finally made them pay attention!

[@TinyRanter]

Ruby always looks so happy when her kids are upset.

[@peggycamp9503]

Absolutely!

[@lealovesthesea]

That’s the hallmark of a sadist.

[@carmendejesus8828]

I think she enjoy and she love to see them suffering 😢

[@manarcabrera2528]

Based on what Jodi’s niece has stated, Jodi is a horrible abusive person. Ruby is abusive, to deny your child food is shameful. 😢

[@carolinerowles5951]

I go without food over my animals, even orphaned foxes. Food is the basic form of nurture, as a mother myself I cannot fathom this?!?!

[@loralieisa]

@@carolinerowles5951 Same here with me. My fur kids get fed no matter what

[@cynthiaconnors183]

Yup. Children and pets get fed first and always the most nutritious items, especially because kids are growing. In hard times I'd just eat whatever else there was kicking around.

[@christinekrul-wildbore3654]

She only balmed her son because he escaped from her clutches and asked for help. Nasty,manipulating person she is to blame her son just because she was caught out on her treatment of her children. She deserves to be in jail for a very long time. I feel deep sadness for these poor children being brought up with a "mother" like her

[@victimofpsychiatry]

Jodi did this same Psychological tactic on her niece years ago. If you listened to the interview with her niece Jessi.

[@angelwings7930]

I hope she’s enjoying being totally under other people’s control now. I love the idea of her being a prisoner. So karmic. It’s just too bad they won’t withhold food from her or tape her up.

[@debmadden4157]

@angelwings7930 Guarantee inmates will fulfill our dreams. RF will wish she'd taken a different parenting technique. She's screwed(literally too).

[@GemAnointed]

Precisely

[@theresap50177]

I'm sure she's considered high profile and most jails have 📺 tv's, she'll be held in a confined cell.

[@edamameedamame1202]

And beg for food and water and using the toilet

[@majortom7038]

Inmates that committed crimes against children have a target on their backs.

[@jenna2431]

That her children were being starved and tied up never concerned her. It was "Oh, he's the one." Just beyond a heinous monster.

[@dennie2619]

You know, when she was at her bail hearing the other day, what I saw on Rubys face just utter anger at her son who escaped detention. If she ever gets even a second with him, she will do major damage to him again. She wasn’t humbled by where she was she was fuming at being there. One wonders what is her mind is thinking of now. Evil girl there……

[@sharonhoward884]

Reporters who were physically present at the emergency custody hearing say Ruby was distressed & crying so ......

[@hope4all366]

​@sharonhoward884 she should be crying. I imagine her poor children did a hello of a lot more crying than she ever has.

[@mrsd2950]

@@sharonhoward884let her cry. It means nothing.

[@JoST41]

⁠@@sharonhoward884so????????? So what? That doesn’t mean a dang thing. She is not sorry for what she has done. She’s only sorry she got caught.

[@GodsChildIRL]

@@JoST41 period

[@varrick1226]

These 2 sociopaths, Ruby and Jodi, should never see the light of day. After they're convicted sentence them to life in prison.

[@reedbetweenthelines1385]

These women should be forbidden from being alone with children for the rest of their lives.

[@brendad940]

None of them should be around children period. IF they get out of prison.

[@HappyShackHomestead]

Jody’s lost custody of her 2 own children 6 years ago. Says a lot about her! I’d imagine she’s in a local type County Jail now…. But wait till she gets to the big girls prison! Look out Ms. Jody. Ruby too! Prison Justice can’t be stopped!❤

[@davyjones77]

@@HappyShackHomestead and that same person is giving parenting advice on internet😂😂

[@donnamolina6125]

They need to arrest Kevin as well

[@emw1816]

She is not mental. She is a bad mother & person who loves herself and her partner-in-crime over anything else in the world. NOT MENTAL, just manipulative and abusive.

[@catherinetong4472]

Exactly!! 💯

[@acorn-i6m]

It’s terrifying when you look at the house location. Nothing but desert. A secluded area for people to get away with a lot of things without many witnesses. Abusers will keep testing the limits of their victims. First it was food, then it was duct tape, what was next would have been deadly!!

[@themoonatnight1868]

I noticed that too! It wasn’t a “home” it was a compound so they couldn’t escape as easily.

[@StephanieGould]

She's just sadistic and cruel. She knew exactly what she was doing for years. There's literal video evidence that she posted herself.

[@StonedBarbiee]

So is her husband. But why is he not in jail ?

[@lareeseblaque8303]

​@@StonedBarbieeABSOLUTELY RIGHT ✅️

[@StephanieGould]

@@StonedBarbiee exactly

[@trafficbabe]

But she's a CHRISTIAN!!! They are like God, good all the time! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@trafficbabe]

​@@StonedBarbieehe moved away from that psycho.

[@kyleetesfaye]

there’s no way the father didn’t know. he LIVED with them he knew how ruby acted. both parents need to be locked up

[@Goodnessprevails]

He hasn’t lived with them for over a year

[@heehaw-i6u]

That father is a spinelss, gutless, ball-less excuse of a father imo. How could he have zero contact with his own kids for a year or more - because the wife suggested that's what should happen?? He's as twisted as she is imo.

[@shannonhandrich6979]

​@@Goodnessprevailshe was out of the house the last year where was he for the 16 years before that right there in that house he knew what he was doing and he was a part of videos a agreeing he was agreeing to the nastiness she was doing to those children he didn't stop it! Father is just so much a part of it as the mother was

[@shadowguard3578]

Even the lawyer said it’s difficult to defend RF. Her conduct (and the husband’s) is indefensible.

[@peggycamp9503]

Good!

[@pokeczarelf]

Good riddance.

[@derekjeter9083]

Well it's not HER defense lawyer. And the justice system only works by everyone deserving a defense, so his attitude actually HAS to switch if he's defending her. Otherwise, we'd have innocent people who get no defense just because public opinion is that they're guilty.

[@Bluefish-LM]

Don't wanna hear about Ruby. We wanna hear about this Jodie. 👈 what other.mothers is she damaging and their kids

[@mad7fisher]

Yeah, The husband's attorney said in essence "well you know he disagreed with the way she was parenting them so he left and he didn't see them for over a year.' So this is how he protects his kids. He just leaves. That's pretty worthless. Isn't it? Talk about the ostrich with his head in the sand . Actually an ostrich would probably be more helpful. 🤡

[@shable1436]

They are already trying to spin it. The husband, her, and their lawyers are all blaming the other woman or the child. Which shows how they really are

[@mzny4314]

Jodi is another monster and might’ve been the cause for the break in Ruby’s marriage. Look her up. All of them are toxic.

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

Sowing reasonable doubt. Tainting a jury pool .

[@MG-ot2yr]

Ruby's best defense is blaming Jodi, but unfortunately Ruby has a treasure trove of videos depriving her kids of food and other essentials prior to Jodi being on the scene....so its not looking good for either of them.

[@jeanneann3545]

I dont think she will go against Jodi, she seems to be in relationship with her tbh. Kicking her husband out, living with Jodi, leaving her children for days to be with Jodi etc

[@necieden]

I believe her older kids will talk.

[@MG-ot2yr]

@@jeanneann3545 Yea looks like they may have a relationship, but even so I'm not sure she'll stick by her in the face of prison.

[@miriamanderson6146]

@@jeanneann3545I think they have become lovers. Kicking her husband out, giving him the bs excuse that it’s better if he would stay away if he’s going to have a chance to get back with her, was just a ploy, that after a year, she could them claim that he didn’t care at all.

[@TheTravelingCrafter]

Did you know of her or watch her videos prior to this? I’m just curious if there were just the few clips of her behaving insane or if it was on going. I’ve never heard of her before this debacle. But I am trying my best to understand if it was ongoing why one of 2.2 mil didn’t report her or KZbin hadn’t shut her down. No judgement toward you whatsoever if you did. Just looking for perspective.And how present was the husband in footage?

[@leifd731]

There were warning signs and prior phone calls made regarding the well being of her children. Mom and her "friend" seem like psychos to me.

[@juicyjules7409]

Yes 😢😮

[@CKing-388]

Her friend aka lesbian lover lol these Mormons and religious extremists crack me up. They are the biggest hypocrites ever.

[@miriamanderson6146]

I wonder if they have become lovers?

[@reginastanley809]

I definitely think there is more going on between those 2 then just a professional partnership?!? I mean she booted her husband out and even though he claims to still be financially supporting his family she moves in with her “Business partner “???? There is more to this then everyone knows!!!

[@WyattRyeSway]

@@reginastanley809…..Ruby still had her home in St Johns and went back and forth. Two of her kids, the 16 year old and 14 year old were alone in St Johns while the 12 year old and 10 year old were tied up and duct taped but left alone in Ivins.

[@cuestarey5565]

The solidary problem for both women is they have no plausable legal defense for tying up Children, open wounds & Starving them. The savior neighbor, Police & Hospital Personnel are all the evidence needed. The monsters would do themselves a favor by cutting the best deal possible as they are facing 90 years in Prison.

[@2rific_2]

Plea deals don't always bring justice for the victims. The 2 youngest should not be placed with either parent. Ruby should lose parental rights to them.

[@cuestarey5565]

True, but a Plea deal will save the minor children the trauma of a long drawn out Public Trial & additional Slander from Ruby against her Children in open Court. She will start serving a Prison sentence quicker & not be loose out on Bail.

[@Crim3Watch3r]

No plea deals. They need to sit there for those 90 years and that's that. They deserve it. Plain and simple. They're a disgrace to all us decent mothers out here. 🤦🏻‍♀️😭

[@loralieisa]

90 years is what they should get for damaging sweet children and being so evil in doing so.

[@kirstena4001]

As long as the plea includes real jail time. Those kids need to see that none of this was their fault, that none of this was OK, and that they matter.

[@Fireball20204]

How do you not feed your children if you have it? Do you know how many children go to bed at night hungry because they don't have access to basic food and water? She is a monster and so is Kevin and her partner in crime!

[@kellinidey5661]

When I was raising kids, keeping them fed was my number one priority, no matter what it took - side hustle jobs on top of full-time, yard sales, gardening, cooking from scratch, tracking the grocery store sales. I can't even imagine not feeding then on purpose.

[@lilysgram5886]

Partner in crime is the perfect description of Kevin!!

[@Leahv103]

@@lilysgram5886 they are talking about Jodi not kevin

[@noface____]

as someone who lives paycheck to paycheck, id rather feed my child and i starve than to withhold her food. it infuriates me that this “mom” who is well off and could easily feed her children decides to not feed her children. ive been following this 8 passangers drama for a while (never directly watched their videos though) and i really hoped it wouldnt come down to this but it did. i hope the children find a loving family and strength in each other.

[@ChucklingAway]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[@OAS15]

self-sacrifice for your children is a sentiment shared by all good mothers

[@stalzerfamilyadventures586]

Agreed

[@VioletJoy]

That little boy's face is heartbreaking. His face says a thousand words.

[@nadzach]

Expecting children to have adult sense of responsibility is unreasonable. Dont you think. By her example, my kids were terribly spoiled.

[@CKing-388]

By her example my kids are spoiled simply because I ALWAYS feed them.

[@memories511]

She is out of her mind and anyone listening to her is also nuts.

[@LizaFergison]

@@CKing-388 Yes! My daughter is now a lovely young lady. She should be a mental wreck, according to their example. I've never hit my child or denied her food. I made and packed her lunch, even when she was in high school. I loved putting surprise treats in them. I'd better apologise for my mothering style.

[@margenn3889]

​@LizaFergison you did what we Mums do. We look after and care for our children.

[@neurologylove2135]

​@LizaFergison According to her, your daughter manipulated you.

[@R4CHEL__]

I’m gonna be honest, I don’t usually like many defense attorneys even in interviews on cases they have no connections with but this guy… I really like him. He is realistic and being straight forward without being arrogant or snarky. I really like him. Great interview with great questions asked!

[@Crim3Watch3r]

Narcissistic AH! 🙌🏽 She doesn't deserve to get out and I'm sorry, the husband should be charged as well. He KNEW what was happening inside HIS home.(prior to them splitting) So disgusting! 🤮 I'm SO GLAD the boy got out and ran for safety. 👏🏽👏🏽 I can't express how happy I am to hear this! 🙌🏽

[@KattEyl]

She should get the same level of punishment that she gave her children. They didn’t deserve it. She does.

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

No she does not. She deserves much worse..

[@judygrant3484]

I agree

[@rogerwhittaker4189]

I agree.

[@laurent.9968]

I believe she should, but unfortunately prison guards still remember to feed inmates, but it is just really poor quality food

[@tdhawk7284]

She withheld food and basic comforts, such as a bed. Her husband obviously knew what was going on. Her mentor and business partner was the mastermind behind the treatment, per her niece. All 3 of them should be prosecuted. I’m worried the LDS clique may not aggressively pursue prosecution. This case will be interesting to watch.

[@BrianWaller-qe7gr]

Withholding food is a form of torture like water boarding.

[@StonedBarbiee]

So did the husband. Why is he free ?

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

Ruby did this garbage long before Jodi came along. Yes Jodi is trash.. But she is not the reason. And Kevin is just as culpable. He was there for much of this for years.

[@loralieisa]

@@BrianWaller-qe7gr Withholding food from a growing child is horrendous. It stunts their growth and development.

[@coolgamrprorobpozswagger69420]

@@StonedBarbiee so are you defending the kids or the mom?

[@viennavanilla9010]

The part where he mentions there is most likely no possibility of her being deemed mentally inept because the person would not think of ways to cover up/hide their behaviour - there are several videos of Ruby joking about how she keeps some things a secret and that “she might even take it with her to the grave”.

[@urjust2cool]

also, her doing this away from home was obviously planned

[@gointothedogs4634]

Yeah she joked about not wanting people to know she yelled at her children.

[@loralieisa]

@@urjust2cool We don't know what she did at home necessarily. It looks like Russells femur bone was broken when he was one.

[@daverobertson5352]

Disgusting human being,the whole trio of them.She belongs in prison.The kids should sue for any money she made off her children

[@deagles2]

Hope she stays in prison for a long time

[@Jaisee14]

She should be put into a small cell, No bed or blankets, Limited to NO food or water for a significant amount of time. Tied up, beaten, yelled at and ridiculed. This woman is a *MENACE* .

[@marybourgeois5235]

And a long time ISNT LONG ENOUGH!!!!!

[@janwilliams1781]

She’s going to blame her parents and turn on the therapist. Then she’s going to blame her husband. CPS has a lot to answer for. I hope a few heads will roll.

[@Taylor987-h8j]

Her husband didn’t even know where they were. I believe he will testify about her manipulative character and will try to get full custody.

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

He is a garbage parent as well.

[@LindaG858]

I am afraid the kids are in fear of saying anything about their mom thinking they will have to go back into the home with her eventually.

[@beareeves4923]

Evie packed her lunch, but forgot to take to school. She is 6 years old. No child should be punished by not being fed.

[@cindyweir9645]

The fact that it didn’t bother her one bit that her little girl was going hungry shows you how messed up this woman is.

[@loralieisa]

@@cindyweir9645 I'll bet there was no snack waiting when she got home from school either. She had to wait till dinner time. Ruby was an excruciatingly lazy stay at home Mom who didn't appear to do much of anything except film her children being tormented.

[@sidharthaajithprasad1229]

I agree. My father did this to me years ago and I couldn’t eat for 3 days.

[@susanfanning9480]

I managed a battered women and children's crisis home for nearly 30 years. I was aware of terrible abuses in families. This is the most sophisticated and well planned crimes against children in my career. There are also questions about the entire depth of the relationship of the two women. It appears there is something more than business partners.

[@Ellen-hs7zb]

I definitely discern something off there.

[@jamierupert7563]

I believe they have their own "relationship" going if you know what I mean.

[@charlottehall5191]

I agree

[@freshdonkey1760]

Scissor sisters

[@loralieisa]

Jodi is homophobic, however according to her niece Jessi jodi said if she was in a lesbian relationship it would be okay because it would be based on a deep emotional connection.

[@pistashleyo5897]

I think the two criminals are secret lovers.

[@jankasza5538]

Right!

[@suehoult9062]

I always thought that but Jodi is the predatory lesbian.

[@donna.207]

Really LOVED that defense atty. I'm a retired atty and this guy really told it like it is. Some attys on tv are so uptight and spout a bunch of unrealistic ideas; it's just refreshing to hear a guy be real. I'm glad the host asked good questions and let the GUEST ACTUALLY ANSWER. GREAT VIDEO TONIGHT YOU GUYS!!

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

The other attorney that Jesse has spoken with is the lawyer that defended johnny depp. He is very good. Very articulate and was very helpful with his explanations to help us understand the terminology and meanings.

[@jeanettesmith765]

She is a hypocrite. Hope she gets prison time.

[@brittanyC_]

Her lawyers only job should be to make sure she has a fair trial. Defending someone like this is just gross.

[@BrianWaller-qe7gr]

You think she’s gross take a deeper look into Jodi hilderbrand

[@TillyOrifice]

Their job is to defend her. If she isn't properly defended then she can't get a fair trial. If the trial isn't fair then any verdict against her is unsafe and she could wind up out on the street again.

[@ClickClack_Bam]

I get it that it's that someone like this deserves punishment. They deserve their day in court though. So many things are portrayed one way in the media that's NOT true. I don't think this is one of those things though but we still need a fair court system. That's all sort of going out the window though. The Proud Boys leader just got 22 years in prison for something he wasn't even at. Another journalist just got arrested & he wasn't even there either.

[@bradleyharting6038]

Ruby laughs each time she mentions disciplining her children. I truly believe she gets off in humiliating and harming them emotionally and physically. Definition of a sadist and a mother who hates motherhood.

[@valleygirlgg]

This reminds one of the Turpin case. Children chained to their beds, not allowed to bathe for a year, not allowed to socialize or date. One of them escaped and contacted the cops freeing the rest. Why do these sickos have kids?

[@EnParejaLife]

Yes, that happened in California in Perris... I lived in that city but was not near their home. It eas shocking to me to know that was happening in the city I was living at. Its sad. Hope those kids are doing well.

[@maryfrancisoconnor2601]

How could a mother not feed her child? I don't get it.

[@tourdedogue4952]

It's an especially evil place for your mind to go when you are responsible for innocent beings. I cannot understand it for the life of me!

[@kristinwuori3769]

Jodi's the one who starved and imprisoned Ruby's children. I believe Jodi is the senior manipulator and perpetrator of these horrific acts. But RF KNEW and approved of Jodi's "therapy". Just sick.

[@tourdedogue4952]

@@kristinwuori3769 No, these children appear to have been starved, which happens over many months (malnutrition). It seems Jody came into their lives after the husband was kicked out.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

​@@kristinwuori3769You are mistaken, the children were not adequately fed for years. Denied food as punishment and supposedly given "learning oppertunities" to be able to not eat "unneeded" snacks and have enough food left for their lunch, lunch they had to remember to lack themselves or go hungry since a very young age.

[@loralieisa]

@@kristinwuori3769 Ruby also starved her children. Her 6 year old forgot her lunch and when the teacher called Ruby said her 6 year old was responsible for packing her lunch, and not to give her any food. I think the teacher did give the little girl some Lunch. However the video clearly shows Ruby is a piece of work.

[@cayladd]

First defence lawyer Ive ever liked. Love how respectful he was of the children.

[@patarmitage2250]

If she doesn't plead guilty to all charges, she's a horrible mother and even worse person. If she drags her children through a trial, she should get life with no parol. Unfortunately from the videos I've seen of her. It seems she only cares about herself..

[@ashlynnjeffties7992]

O she will no doubt drag them through trials.

[@patarmitage2250]

I have a feeling the "Church" will try and flood the jury with believers.

[@patarmitage2250]

@@2rific_2 maybe

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

Yup. But she will most likely never plead out if it involves her serving any jail time. She will want a jury trial. To hope just one person will have a glimmer of reasonable doubt.

[@loralieisa]

@@eileenmcdonald1599 The case against her looks iron clad. Her only hope is if just one juror is as much of a sadist as she is.

[@GrumpyCat-mw5xl]

This guy is smart lawyer. Explains complex legal theory in an understandable way

[@cindyliao2250]

She wants the kids to take responsibility but she won’t do it herself!

[@brodywwww]

The fact that she took school away from her kids as a punishment before all this limo said a lot to me most kids prefer to be home her kids would rather be at school to the point where she was able to take that away as punishment they must have really hated being home.

[@potatopirate5557]

How many different ways does this "mother" plan on ruining her kids' lives? INFURIATING.

[@derrickbiley]

What needs to happen is people stop using the internet or other people how to raise their kids, she had over 2 million viewers who bought into this crap and people need to stop relying on the internet or social media for validation in every aspect

[@cs4201]

Exactly.

[@cs4201]

​@@2rific_2and because people watch this mess is why kids are being put at risk by sick parents.

[@Elegant_Sausage]

Yeah it's what needs to happen but won't ever happen. Because money. That's all anyone cares about anymore

[@showmestategirl7001]

You are so right. I can't understand the influencer thing. Why were all of these people watching her videos and supporting the way she was treating her children.

[@janetklumper6048]

How could they even look at her channel, i dont understand

[@KeepSmyelin321]

She would rather blame her own innocent children than blame her partner in crime. I can't wait to see what the jury thinks about that, because I know what I think!

[@drewizkoollikeicecre]

Just a vile, evil woman. Her so called business partner is right up there with her. Starving those kids when she looks as if she hasn’t missed a meal in a long time. I hope they throw the book at both of them. They deserve it.

[@NYC2023-du8mg]

Great coverage on this case and guest. Prayers up for those children.

[@JustMe-dd5ou]

I think there’s more between the 2 ladies that’s been made obvious. No way the mother didn’t know what was going on. The kids had healed wounds as well as fresh. They hadn’t eaten for longer than a few days. Both these monsters need to go to jail for a very long time.

[@ninasage7735]

I think they are lovers

[@susanhall7199]

Jodi needs to skip meals for a couple of days

[@mzny4314]

🎯🎯🎯

[@JustMe-dd5ou]

@@ninasage7735 I think so too. 👌🏻

[@scorpion-lg4ic]

​@@ninasage7735I think they are lovers as well

[@Alyrulz421]

I’m so proud of how far this channel has come since the Johnny Depp trial coverage! And the quality of the content just keeps getting better ❤

[@waggingtailsdogwalkingofwi5696]

How is the husband ok with this? He must be just as evil.

[@user1029xspl8dy]

It sounds like he was more of a doormat based on the lawyer representing the husband's interview with L&C. He ostensibly agreed to go completely no contact with the kids for over a year to placate his monster of a wife and have a chance to "save the marriage." It doesn't excuse him failing to protect his own children, but I'll reserve judging him as "evil" until we know more.

[@joannahampton5979]

​@@user1029xspl8dy The father happily agreed with and supported his wife on her discipline of the children and happily did partake in the outlandish punishments!

[@slisha4940]

He isnt

[@cindyweir9645]

He let her run all of their lives. She’s sadistic and wants absolute control.

[@WyattRyeSway]

He is on video as being fine with taking Chads bedroom, his bed, sending him to the wilderness camp, taking stuff from Chads room (including homework due the next day) and forcing him to buy it back to hand it in, being ok that food was withheld as punishment etc. He is no father. He should never be allowed to see his kids again let alone have custody. I hope the kids sue Ruby, Jodi and Kevin.

[@Michelle-nurse]

So strange… Ruby and her husband look the picture of health, however, her children look tired and stressed..

[@jara4766]

Ruby controls her husband. She says move out. You cannot see your children. He abides. She will always control how he treats the children. Do not let him have custody without 24/7 supervision.

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

Do not give him any sympathy.

[@tamarabuxton2516]

I'm sure the two eldest will be able to shed more light on what took place within the home and confirm either way if the Dad is also to blame. ..that 911 call had me crying too. I just hope the kids will be ok 🤟

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

The middle 2 are not babies. They hopefully will speak up as well

[@Psychol-Snooper]

At the bare minimum I hope they separate her from any wealth she has made, and put it in educational/medical trust for her children.

[@jokershit7675]

The dad is as guilty for being negligent & useless. Unbelievable how he had no contact w all his kids. He gave the abuser full power

[@meld.4784]

My heart breaks for these kids 💔

[@brianaolivero3082]

I wonder if she’ll even make it to a hearing after the other inmates find out who she is and why she’s there…

[@jarabotelho5275]

I’m hoping and praying that type of justice is served up on a silver platter for this woman 🙏🏽

[@sailing1stwatch]

She knew she was wrong. That's why she needed validation from online "supporters"

[@nadzach]

Interesting point.

[@lilac6940]

Actually, I think she's so evil it wasn't enough for her to do this stuff to her own kids, she wanted to propagate the same abusive behaviors in homes across the world.

[@paulettemaximun2505]

Causing pain to anyone is insane.

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

Do not call her insane. She should never be able to use that as a defense to get off

[@lilac6940]

No, not insane.... In this case, EVIL.

[@loralieisa]

@@eileenmcdonald1599 An insanity defense does not apply to her in a legal sense. She ran from the hospital when informed police wanted to talk to her showing she knew she did wrong. An insanity defense requires a person to be so mentally incapacitated they don't distinguish right from wrong.

[@chrissttiiee]

It's obvious Ruby & Jodi are more than just business partners.

[@user-sz9pz2bt4f]

Sorry, there’s no defense to tying kids up with duct tape and starving them. Psychopaths.

[@Samantha-qm3ni]

This interview is great. I love your questions and I LOVE this attorneys insight! Thanks for the content.

[@emilianaao]

you do have to think about how Ruby’s sister Bonnie did say that they’ve been silent for 3 years and that is way before Kevin and Ruby separated.

[@leximagnusson]

It would be cool if they interviewed people who know what’s going on in the case.

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

Nope not bright to do. Would give these peoples defense attorneys ground to get the cases thrown out.

[@loralieisa]

You'll have to wait till after the trial not to jeopardize the case against Ruby and Jodi.

[@neekswilly1235]

Neighbours like that need a medal

[@breik8183]

He was trying sooo hard to keep everything calm and feeling safe infront of the boy on that 911 call he really did a great job

[@nadzach]

A beautiful soul. We should all be such a nighbour. It's too bad the boy cannot stay with the gentleman, who he might trust. But foster parents must already be on an approved list.

[@peztopher7297]

@@breik8183 Yeah, he came close to crying a couple times.

[@breik8183]

@peztopher7297 mhmm and you could hear him carefully considering his words when he was asking about the condition of the other siblings in the home

[@loralieisa]

@@breik8183 He faltered, broke down and finaly came up with the word "detained." The real word was tortured.

[@hanaaoun9749]

This makes me think she’s going to plea insanity. When in reality she was fully aware of the harm she was doing bc when her children would blurt things out like “mama yelled today” and she’s shush them. Or when she would start off “I know you guys may think I’m barbaric but…” . She was fully aware and needs to be held accountable!

[@ClickClack_Bam]

She'll lose her kids if she does.

[@hanaaoun9749]

@@ClickClack_Bam as she should

[@ClickClack_Bam]

@@hanaaoun9749 The more that's revealed in this case, the more I think she blames her kids for her failed marriage. It seems like she's romantically involved with her business partner & takes it out especially on the male kids.

[@hanaaoun9749]

@@ClickClack_Bam omg I thought the same!!! I thought I was the only one that thought that

[@hanaaoun9749]

@@sunbunny83 exactly!

[@jemmaevans8206]

It's crazy to me how there have been so many KZbin channels across the world talking about what a terrible parent she is for a long time. I've been waiting for this to happen, but didn't realise how bad it was.

[@michelled4042]

Time for Ruby and Jody to get out of "distortion " and get in "truth" and take responsibility for their choices.

[@meadowsage1456]

"I didn't know what was going on" would not be a defense for Ruby Franke because she took beds, rooms, food, etc away from her kids before she was in business with Jodi. I think they are two peas in a pod.

[@dianavaldez3371]

For all of the people who think this woman is attractive, I do not see it. I also do not understand how she got 2 million followers. Was it a train wreck they couldn’t stop looking at? 🙄🙄🙄

[@varrick1226]

There is never anything attractive of child abusers who are sociopaths like Ruby.

[@amybe3]

Hi, well tastes is subjective. She is a monster tho

[@teresaroby4441]

I think the majority of her initial following were fellow Mormons. Their religion played a big part in their vlogs. They discussed their religious values & how they incorporated the LDS teachings into how they parented. I think in the beginning she was different. More humble, normal. I think when they blew up with so many subscribers her narcissism & hubris grew along with their bank accounts. Connextions is IMO a cult that is a bastardized version of the Mormon religion. The things Jodi "taught" were rather horrific & were way more extreme than what their religion taught. I think Jodi is an evil cult leader & Ruby was easy to convert because she's a horrible person. Period.

[@dayzdnconfuz3d]

Who cares if she’s attractive ?

[@angelwings7930]

She’s got an “all American” look, kind of pretty. I’m not sure why anyone thought she was interesting enough to subscribe. Talk about brain dead people. 🙄

[@tulam1645]

They're your kids not a nemesis. I can't believe nothing was done with all the prior reports.

[@sandycarra5754]

I cannot understand how she became so popular with just the little bits I have seen. What people cal "entertainment" nowadays is frightening!!! All 3 adults need to wreap what they sowed!

[@denisepelton5556]

I totally agree with you, I have seen what you have most likely and I would have instantly given it a thumbs down 👎 and turned it off! That is not entertainment!

[@blessingsalways6172]

Ruby called Kevin when she knew she was going to jail. She has known her behavior with manipulative behavior went under the radar.

[@CarlaDElisahtd4l]

I could not would not ever defend anyone like her or her husband. Throw them under the jail.

[@lunajohnson9149]

I'm so glad that she's getting the punishment she's deserved for a long time.

[@leisabrady5384]

Jesse just wanted to thank you for your perspective not just in this sad horrific case but all the other cases you have show cased on Side Bar. Great show fantastic break downs and as a non legal person extremely telling. Thanks Again take care Leisa Western Australia

[@nadzach]

Actually, He was sleeping on the floor with no pillow other than efforts in trying to use the chair as a pillow.

[@paolabueso]

Excellent video! I really like your channel’s coverage of this story, the wonderful host and all the guests you’ve had commenting on the possible nuances of the case. Thank you for sharing this!

[@ghiovannabernal]

Ruby is no where near innocent, has never been and will ever be. She posted so much evidence over the years it’s honestly comedic that this lawyer thinks we should have an open mind with Ruby / Jodi … LOOOOL

[@monicascott2354]

That's what any GOOD defense attorney would advise. C'mon now.

[@kandicebrown4436]

She's a horrible person and you would think after how many time CPS was out to her house Kevin had to have known. But then again CPS thought everything thing was fine. Their's also something way off with her and Jodie it's all most like there in a relationship that's not right if you're married to someone else. They all need to be locked up and go without food and water for awhile.

[@BJM217]

What a brave young boy he is to get out and get help.

[@miriammanolov9135]

Can't wait for her defense : throwing her kids, parents, siblings, dogs and cars under the bus !! I tried to watch some of her videos via other KZbinrs , and she comes across as a control freak !! Parents should stop living their private lives on social media and dragging kids into it.

[@sheilajohnson6478]

Just remember, Ruby’s sisters aren’t her. The family was cut out of Ruby, Kevin and the kids lives 3 years ago.

[@MichaelaGronemann]

The bishop needs to be charged also! The Church of Latter Day Saints supported Judi Hildebrandt and payed her

[@nancyrosseau6627]

I think she knew she was going to be arrested because her child had the neighbor call the police and the police then contacted her. I assume she was not in the house at the time he escaped.

[@df8643]

She never seemed happy. Even when she smiled. When she and Kevin were telling about their son going away to the camp she seemed to be pleased with that.

[@kayewilson8391]

Why is it the children have the dark circles under their eyes but somehow neither parent does. That looks like stress and sleep deprivation imo.

[@quietmindspodcast]

Wait until they read Ruby and Jody text messages and emails. It’s going to be very telling.

[@jesslivinlife]

I’m gonna be following this case until the end!!!

[@kellypaigeneverett8246]

She’s sick

[@eden_aumakua]

There is ZERO DEFENSE for this kind of behavior. I wish you'd not named the minor child.This is like Lori Vallow Daybell 2.0

[@lealovesthesea]

She was clearly escalating.

[@Tina06019]

We have all heard his name, and he is a hero.

[@eileenmcdonald1599]

Way to late to try and cover up his name. He and his siblings and cousins have been on several of the families you tube channels. Not just ruby's channels. Plus other non family channels. Was very easy to figure out which children were being discussed. The parents had already taken the element of privacy away.