Ruby Franke: What's Next for YouTube Mom's Family - Everything You Missed

ICYMI: Authorities released a massive evidence dump on Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt in connection to their child abuse case. This leaves the question - what's next for the KZbin mom's family? Join Jesse Weber in breaking down key evidence in the case, discussing Franke's husband, and what may be next for their family.
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[@snowwhite2524]

Jodi and Ruby should have been charged with attempted murder and sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

[@sammy00000000001]

100% I can't understand how they got a ple.

[@BrianDJin]

To be able to prosecute an attempted murder charge you need to be able to prove intent. Basically if you can't prove they intended to kill the children, but failed, you can't charge that.

[@libertywatcher1247]

No one wanted to put the children through a trial.

[@Billy_Rizzle]

@@sammy00000000001 The plea deal was to have 2 charges of the 6 aggravated CA charges dropped if they pleaded guilty instead of trail. Having no trial meant that R & E did not have to do testimonies which is likely to make them relive their traumas.

[@miaknig3130]

Ironic how a delusional C can't spell when accusing a little child of being "dilusional". He probably was partially delusional due to starvation and dehydration.

[@ScheelesGreen]

When a narcissist meets a sociopath in a religious cult… 🫢

[@SD0224]

That “ religious cult “ would be the LDS church . People need to start looking into the current trend in beliefs that is being promoted to the members of the church . These current LDS beliefs are dangerous and frankly insane .

[@400_billion_suns]

The parallels to Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow are strong with Jodi and Ruby, including what sounds like a possible romantic relationship. Thankfully the kids were found before they ended up like the other case :(

[@1ACL]

A cult within a cult within a cult. All reading the same books.

[@ScheelesGreen]

@@1ACL nesting cults? Matryoshka cults?🪆

[@bewitched3912]

​@@ScheelesGreen lol, it's accurate!!

[@hze1234]

"What's going to happen to my wife?" 😭 as they were telling him his youngest kids were at the hospital 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@reddog40]

Then detective tells him about kids and Farther of the yr responds "ahh ok", I love my wife🤔🤬

[@J-en9ku]

Absolutely awful.

[@poetryqn]

Any parent who hasn't seen his kids in over a year, and hasn't even TRIED to see his kids for over a year, should NEVER get custody.

[@Handmadeheaven0]

Yeah he ain’t responsible

[@lyncressler2608]

I totally agree ! The man hasn't reach out to his children in a year.

[@Kari-4blue]

Oh, he won't. Anyone w a right mind will not hand those kids over to him.

[@2ctheocean]

"I'm here to pick up my kids..." Oh so now you remember they exist.

[@Kari4010]

Right, they should NEVER be with him. He failed to protect them, turned a blind eye to all the abuse.

[@candykane4271]

@@Kari4010 He wast there for the real abuse

[@jaroneaton8023]

⁠@@Kari4010did you watch the same interview we did? With ALL this evidence and desire for justice, if he’s guilty, he will pay for it. Ignorance isn’t defensible in this case.

[@liandajane3207]

so weird that she calle him to pick them up,..

[@Francis-xl2gu]

Ruby knew the cat was out of the bag, judgement time

[@kathleenclarke1823]

Child abandonment? Not seeing children for a year? Not knowing how they are? Charge him with neglect!

[@jenniferrussell5635]

Absolutely agree. Can't understand why his neglect has not been highlighted much at all

[@miriam100ful]

he must have known something as this was going on for more than a year. He was totally controlled by that odious narcissist.

[@tomeko8285]

People abandon children all the time, mother didn’t sue for child support etc it’s all on her

[@jgirl982]

Its not neglect when the mom has them and thats agreed upon. Otherwise their would be a million deadbeat dads in jail. He’s in a cult or was at this time. Jody has done this to the father of multiple families

[@classicalaid1]

@@jenniferrussell5635Males, chauvinists, believe women raise the children and men make the money. Look at the ruination and trauma that man's malignant non-thinking has caused. A deadbeat dad who is a complete, blind narcisist. He needs jail time...and all those men in prison who are there because they had fathers just like him...what will they do with him in the prison showers. They will go medieval on his rear end. I suggest he starts praying now!

[@laraoneal7284]

Kevin not once asked about welfare of the children. He says he loves his wife but not one word of loving his children. He is disgusting. He should never get custody as Ruby also. No custody ever of the children.

[@elliebellie7816]

Mormons don't have children for the purpose of loving them. It is a duty that is expected of them.

[@marias7492]

Very disgusting!!

[@elleruach2301]

Truly a spineless weasel.

[@Simplysilla27]

he asked about his kids in the beginning of the interview they just bleeped it out

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

@@Simplysilla27 Yeah, because he was there to collect them. He is not even close to being a decent person just because he did less than the bare minimum but touched on it. That's where it ended. Even when he was told of R's horrific condition, he didn't ask any further questions nor ask about any of his other children. Instead Kevin says about the woman who was taking care of the child found in horrible condition "I love my wife"!!!! I don't get why some make excuses for that spineless and self-serving tool.

[@Truth1561]

I worked in child protection for almost 40 years, retired 3 years ago. Listening to this made me cry despite the things I've seen. What wicked horrible women and what a pathetic father he is- he knew she had cruel parenting practices from their KZbin days!

[@denise8791]

Thanks for doing that work. I hope the kids you helped turned out to be in safe and healthy environments and grew into productive adults.

[@stopthemaddness100]

From some of the clips from their KZbin page I saw, Kevin was complicit in quite a few cruel practices himself!!

[@cherrymariposa]

@@stopthemaddness100yes! He was sitting there laughing in these videos when Ruby abused the children. He is just as evil as she is!

[@SFNena415]

What a perfect way to describe that man. Pathetic.

[@reddog40]

Hmm, you don't see that he was a abuser too? Glad you're retired

[@baddog668]

Her husband is not right. He's at fault and knows more about this situation.

[@miriam100ful]

he is the enabler of his narcissist wife, he would not do anything to protect the kids saying he didn't know etc. He was totally under her control.

[@jgirl982]

No he’s not right but he’s been manipulated and indoctrinated as well. I really don’t think he knew. His interview after this when he wakes up is telling.

[@fiddlersthree8463]

I heard him say in an interrogation, "I'm an engineer. I'm a smart guy." I'm sure he's an engineer but the rest I dispute.

[@AlexisRliey12485]

And he's not even carrying or too upset about it he just sat there all calm as in whatever it is to him that they're explaining to him about what goes on in that house between Ruby and Jodi

[@sweetcanada17]

To me it seems more like he’s the victim of spousal/domestic abuse, seeing his reactions and hearing him speak.

[@BWT599]

The niece of Jodi really breaks down the psychological torment and abuse she endured. Explains why the young girl wouldn’t say a word to the cop.

[@AtomicOVO]

Where at? If it’s in this video mb I’m still watching

[@ericaexplainsitall2135]

The disdain that the detective has for Kevin Franke is palpable. Love it

[@Msfifisquarepantz]

No it isn’t. If it was, he would be charged and cuffed The police are letting him get away. Ask them why. And ask the DA why.

[@CaravagioBaroque]

Wish they knew more and saw all his connexions videos.

[@bojigirl5672]

He and Ruby were abusive to their kids before Jody. Liar, hypocrite. Police should know this. It really boils my blood.

[@groovyroom]

Exactly, so many viewers of the youtube show complained, hello... it was the perfect storm, two abusive parents connecting with Jodi and voila - those two kids were so close to death. They would be dead were it not for the bravery of that little boy. WHY are they not convicted of attempted murder???

[@bojigirl5672]

@@groovyroom their state law is weak, I hear. Figures. The whole state is infected with a religion that supports abusers.

[@bewitched3912]

​@@groovyroom exactly 💯

[@broeheemed32]

SHE is abusive. He was working all day and night to pay for her "Supermom" lifestyle. He had no time to "abuse" anybody.

[@Wire_Mesh_Police]

@@broeheemed32he knew about it. He’s complicit. He should be charged with the exact same crime.

[@stephaniebaker4024]

A lifetime of PTSD thanks to those monsters.

[@Kari4010]

Right, I feel for these kids.

[@IlIlIUnknownadventurer]

Hopefully these monsters are dealt with in prison.

[@nobodieshome_]

CPTSD

[@steggopotamus]

​@@nobodieshome_precisely

[@MrsB2019]

It will probably be C-PTSD as the trauma has gone on for a long time and daily. Those poor kids will never be the same again. I was abused as a child nowhere near the same extent as this and I’ve been diagnosed with C-PTSD

[@MysticRose24]

This man is as guilty as his wife - he was present when she was emotionally abusing them for 8 passengers!! He was aware of what happens in that house. If he didn’t have anything to hide he would have no issue answering all their questions 😊

[@Beserious795]

Yes but he was shamed to think he was an evil and gross person and believed it. When you’re being manipulated to the extent that he was - thru shaming on a religious basis - you’re not in the right frame of mind because you literally believe what they’re saying. This type of manipulation and abuse is why there is such a problem with these types of situations happening in certain religious communities.

[@laurencejuilland4908]

@@Beserious795he participated in cruel parenting himself, it wasn’t only Ruby, and that before they knew Jodie! I am sick and tired of all authorities letting him lose, same goes for Pam!

[@MysticRose24]

@@Beserious795 he was not manipulated by religion or his wife when they were filming 8 Passengers!!

[@sherryp8967]

Dad absolutely has some complicity. Some of this was going on before he left and he was part of it.

[@jeremybilbrey1133]

its interesting you said that because kevin knew the craziness that was going on at jodis house...and what went on at his house...not just going on the abuse...i would be hard pressed to leave my kids in that environment when he knew was going on in both places.

[@Simplysilla27]

abuse started when he left the home and eve and russell were separated after he left from abby and julie

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

@@Simplysilla27 No, no, no, how wrong you are.

[@sherryp8967]

@@Simplysilla27 Nope.

[@MollysMom5]

Kevin Franke: "I'm a smart guy. I'm an engineer. I'm a college professor. What does 'emaciated' mean? (I'm going to repeat your questions back to you to give me more time to think of a decent lie to answer with.)"

[@anovosedlik]

I have a REALLY hard time understanding how someone could just abandon their children. The husband is guilty of neglect for sure.

[@phoenixrising1675]

his 12 year old emaciated tortured starved son saved himself and his little sister.. he is way more of man than Kevin...

[@tara_ble1705]

Kevin was complicit in the abuse of his children way before Jodi. When Jodi came along it just exacerbated Ruby’s abuse of her children.

[@broeheemed32]

Magic Restraining Order kept him out of his own house and away from the children he was still forced to pay for. Man-hate much?

[@tamtamr9081]

because you arent gaslighted and manipulated like he was. he was asked to leave and reflect on this sins while still continuing to pay for thier lives .. he was doing what he thought he should do to save his marriage. its clear ruby is very abusive emotionally

[@nellsun2521]

@@tamtamr9081 He was duped, sure. But that's not a legal defence. (People are jailed all the time for being conned by a fellow criminal into aiding and abetting.)

[@Simsim3e]

“Not enough food or water to sustain life”. The children were on the verge of death. R used the last of his strength and courage to escape torture and certain death.

[@TheJilly1337]

The way Kevin repeats every question makea me think he's buying time to get his story straight.

[@SMetz-cw6qj]

I think you may be right. Something doesn’t seem quite right.

[@nickialaskanyogi]

Yes I picked up on that immediately. Repeating the questions buys you that time to make up your answer….

[@marciafazekas5384]

Yes.

[@bewitched3912]

This makes me think he used this question repetition on his students and his own children, to specifically shame them for questioning his authority

[@bewitched3912]

I think Kevin used the repeating questions technique on his students and his children to shame them for questioning his authority. His students had complained of his behavior in the past at BYU.

[@richardobrien8823]

She was on the phone with her lawyer! she knew the police were coming. She wasn't suprised at all.

[@joellenjohnson4038]

THESE CREEPS THINK THEY HAVE IT MADE THEY HAVE DR'S AND LAWYERS SO THEY THINK THERE ISN'T A PROBLEM JUST KEEP THE MONEY ROLLING IN AND WE WILL FIX EVERYTHING

[@denise8791]

She was only surprised they entered without warrant. She knew she was cooked.

[@LoreeG82]

Took great delight in police taking her out house. She no longer has power and control and she knows it. Evil woman

[@foxibot]

Pam should have been arrested for not contacting authorities when she saw the abuse and the wounds and all the scratches and the children being starved to death. She in my opinion needs to be right by Jodi and Ruby’s unit in the pen. She used those kids for free child slave labor. Both her and her husband knew those kids were being mistreated in a horrifying situation.

[@CaravagioBaroque]

Yup

[@yvonned627]

My understanding is if you separate from your wife, most parents fight to stay in touch/visit their kids. And his first response to Ruby in that phone call was all about him saying that they can’t find me…He should be charged.

[@matthewnewton8812]

He should be criminally charged and sent to jail because he didn't fight to stay in touch with his kids after they split up? That's....I mean that's bat-nuts crazy. She kicked him out of the house a year before, and told him not to contact her or the children. You people haven't read the whole story. You're watching like a 2 minute clip and immediately running to comments section to inflict your half-baked thoughts on the world. Go read the full story about what actually took place.

[@zannadunstrand6289]

That he answer ”no I trust my wife” when he’s being ask if he knows of the physical conditions of the kids says it ALL! If i got that question I would immediatly get scared and ask a million of questions like ”what do you mean?!” ”What’s wrong with them?!”. He clearly knew exactly what was going on!

[@charmcshane3517]

That he doesn't ask at all, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY KIDS? WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME THESE QUESTIONS? TELL ME! I NEED TO SEE THEM! HUG THEM!". Come on, show some kind of concern. Before the cop blew it, and actually gave Kevin his cue; this is where you show concern.😡😡😡

[@NancyPatzer]

Yes, until then nothing, once he was clued in he decided to rub his head. No concern at all for the kids, just Ruby.

[@dipschwantz1]

This guy is so spineless. I hope he doesn't get any kind of custody of these kids...he is clearly unfit

[@ranahanani7625]

He seemed drugged.

[@SunnyDays70s]

Ruby’s journal is repulsive. I feel like vomiting.

[@groovyroom]

I know, it's horrifying. Rot in jail lady.

[@lyncressler2608]

I can't read that 😡

[@teenagemind....8938]

How did u get to the journal ? Is it on Google

[@martinmayhew145]

​@teenagemind....8938 Some other KZbin channel has been going through them. Grizzly Crimes, I think the name is. They have been released to public

[@DonnaLena1]

Jodi clearly expected a response from the police but she was shocked when they turned out in full force- After being there several times before and nothing happened. About time.

[@mandymorrow5473]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me like she's immediately filming with her phone. I believe she wanted a scene to go down so she could cry "police brutality!"

[@cuckertarlson5310]

@@mandymorrow5473 She was on speakerphone with her attorney.

[@joellenjohnson4038]

WOW I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD BEEN THERE BEFORE WHAT A HORROR FOR THOSE CHILDREN SEEING PEOPLE COME AND GO AND NO HELP

[@Renee-wy1po]

​@@mandymorrow5473she was on the phone with her lawyer on speaker phone, 😞 you hear him in the video, so she knew that they were coming because she was looking for e and seen the police and knew that they were coming to her house 😢,

[@SilentThundersnow]

They hadn't been there before. What do you mean?

[@l.s.squirrel4226]

I figured it out. Ruby was trying to emulate the "Wilderness Camp" program, the same that Ruby had sent their oldest son to. I'm not certain, but I don't think those wilderness camps take kids that young. The outcome of these kids is precisely why most of us want those wilderness camps shut down.

[@vickiegreen5107]

I think if they had made it to arizona then thats what they'd of branched out doing x

[@nothingelse1520]

​@@vickiegreen5107if they made it to Arizona those kids would have been dead in 3 weeks tops

[@tajneafoster2836]

Jodi also gave the same sort of Spartan punishments to her niece years before.

[@robinrainmaker7232]

You just gave me that “light bulb” moment! Yes! I’ve heard of it. A college roommate of mine..years ago..had gone through one. She told us (her roommates) about what occurred on these camps and we thought it was horridly abusive. She didn’t, and never spoke of it again to us.

[@Simplysilla27]

jodi told ruby to send chad to the camp so it wasn’t ruby that told her to do that it was jodi that initiated that

[@JackieOlantern]

COPS: "We are trying to figure out your involvement" NORMAL INNOCENT ANSWER: Involvement in what?! What happened?! Where are my kids?! Are my kids ok?! 😐

[@lesliehammonds29]

EXACTLY!!!!

[@CaravagioBaroque]

Exactly

[@galaxia4709]

I was surprised they let him know what they were trying to figure out in the first place. I believe they shouldn't have revealed they were trying to figure out his involvement

[@teresaroby4441]

Even if Kevin was truly unaware that his wife's discipline of their children had progressed to horrific, sadistic, physical & emotional abuse, once he was made aware, he didn't ask to be taken to his kids immediately, nor did he ask about their condition. He did however, ask what was going to happen to Ruby. This spineless, pathetic excuse for a man, doesn't deserve to be a parent. Parents should always put the needs of their children ahead of their own. Kevin has proven he loves Ruby more than his kids & his main goal was always to get back to Ruby, not necessarily back to his "family". I find that to be rather pathetic & infuriating. We as adults have the luxury of deciding who we're going to have children with. Children are not afforded the same luxury & have no say whatsoever in being born at all, let alone the option of who will be their parents. Kevin only filed for divorced because he was advised to, in order to look better to the Utah family court & to the public, in order to distance himself from what Jodi & Ruby did. I have no doubt he will be waiting at the prison gates when that psycho is released from prison.

[@jonnyschwartz]

I could never not see my son for a year. This guy is a joke. Let someone hijack your family and life and act so passively when you “find” out how they were abused. His only role is to provide financial support and pay the bills, nothing else. Not being there for a year of your children’s lives is selfish and there are no excuses. You family needed you, your son needed you. You failed as a father, no other words.

[@AmandaMolly]

He isnt a joke, watch interviews with former clients of Jodie's who brainwashes the parents and husbands during group sessions to not see his wife and kids for a year.

[@claudiailopez]

He knew everything he was involved and also the other 2 girls were cleaning this church lady house free maid and he wanted his older daughter to be arrested for taking a laptop from the house

[@nothingelse1520]

He is the dictionary definition of P-whipped. His whole life revolves around groveling at Ruby's feet. It's pathetic. He has no spine.

[@Oldschoolnana]

He failed as a human being. 😡🤬🤬

[@Oldschoolnana]

He failed as a human being. 😡🤬🤬

[@jayannakelley9051]

It’s very telling that the 2 oldest children not living with Ruby haven’t been to see their dad either.

[@Daddywiseclussy]

She stated in an old video when her channel was still up, that once her kids turn 18 they need to leave

[@jayannakelley9051]

@@Daddywiseclussy - ohh ok. I never watched family vloggers. I just kept seeing their channel gone over from other KZbinrs. Thank you 🌟

[@emeraldblue5291]

No but the two oldest have been at the court hearings & want her to go to prison. Shari, the oldest daughter, was the one calling CPS on a regular basis because the younger 4 were left at home alone for days/weeks while Ruby went to stay with Jodi 4hrs away. (She had groceries delivered. The oldest was 14/15. Youngest was 7/8. She also took them all out of school & covered the windows) The kids never answered the door when the cops knocked on the door

[@jayannakelley9051]

@@emeraldblue5291 - ok, thank you! I do remember a few ‘You Tuber channels mentioned Shari trying to get them away from their train wreck of a mother they had. I just saw clips of their channel people shared. Wow! Ruby was beyond strict. She was ruthless long before Jodi entered their lives!

[@b_michigan7783]

@@emeraldblue5291also when law enforcement tried to get a court ordered search warrant to get in the house to check on the minor children they were denied. Complicit LDS judge? It’s hard to understand the intertwinings of LDS into every faction of life in Utah.

[@foxibot]

The saddest thing is the little girl,singing my mommy likes to starve me while she eats brownies all day in bed. All that kid would have to do is sing that for a jury, then show the pictures of them starved and severely injured. They were even denied water.

[@jajw1990]

The father should not ever get his kids back. He is just as bad as the mother. He wanted to sue his oldest daughter and accused her of theft for retrieving items from their home to care for her siblings. He didn't even ask if his kids were okay when they told him they were found emaciated. Both parents are nasty and narcissistic.

[@eeayquetting5963]

He was more visibly upset when he heard that his wife was going to be charged then he was when he heard about the abuse his kids had gone through. Arrest this POS

[@franceskeeley6924]

I noticed this... the absence of interest in the state of his children as it was disclosed to him was strange and disturbing.

[@barbaratyks6398]

Russell is a hero. So polite. Ruby needs 30 years in prison

[@TheBodhisattvaWisdom]

If this dad's demeanor doesn't raise any eyebrows with the police, nothing makes sense..

[@axemangang1584]

He is sticking to his script of not being there. He only asking for the welfare of his wife and if she was going to be charged.and not his children. His phone call with Ruby and saying basically that the divorce was going to be a sham to get the kids.

[@cleo5050]

He's sooo dedicated to his wife, "loves her," but not one word about his abused children.

[@TiffTheTyrant]

I like when she says ‘I’m on the phone with my attorney’ and the officer says ‘that’s great step out of the house’ 😂

[@wardcollector2503]

So he hasn't even seen his adult children that don't live in that house, in a year? How does being an absent father help his marriage? How is his marriage is more important than his kids?

[@groovyroom]

It's shocking he's not in prison as well. I pray those young kids don't go back to him.

[@juliapearce4380]

The husband should also be help responsible.. what a wimp!!! Hopefully he won’t get custody of the children…

[@lencicollier6492]

STOP trying to find EXCUSES for this “spineless” man… He was living with Rubi while much of the extreme punishments were happening… He was only asked to move out once Rubi met Jodi… because those two wanted to drive off a cliff together with the kids in the truck… 😡 He is NOT innocent… that “so-called” Dad should NEVER get custody of those children…

[@AtaliaCandia]

THANK YOU!! I'm SO sick and tired of people defending him 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@laceybanter5937]

The father should be in prison also. He didn't protect his children and knew what was happening. He condoned it.

[@SunnyDays70s]

Where exactly are you getting your information. I, the authorities, news reporters, prosecutors all believe he was shunned from the family by Ruby and did not know what was going on. He was under Ruby’s narcissistic spell.

[@wangathin]

@@SunnyDays70s there are a few vids of him with ruby in the car talking about disciplining the children, maybe he didnt know the extent but he knew something....

[@NancyPatzer]

Remember, she was the boss of the children, he trusted her with them. He wouldn't dare cross her. What she said goes. And therein lies the problem. If only he had some guts and cared for his children.

[@idylledoll]

@@SunnyDays70s he sounds terrified of her and was extremely passive in the relationship, he sounds like an abuse victim himself.

[@laceybanter5937]

@@SunnyDays70s they abused the children while they were together. He knew. He chose to walk away.

[@CaseytheNinja20]

The fact that he didn't once ask how his kids were doing says more than any of the words he spoke in the interview.

[@cheralsquyresArt]

Wish I could ask questions? He said I came to pick up kids. He hasn’t seen them in a yr. Kevin won’t give police address, who told him to come and pick up kids. I would not put up with his crap.

[@justme33126]

I think Ruby called him; told him about police, etc. I think that's why he was there to pick up the kids.

[@joellenjohnson4038]

HE KEEPS SAYING HOW MUCH HE LOVES HIS WIFE NOT HIS CHILDREN AND THAT IS WHAT A CREEP DOES

[@gratefulmom5781]

It did come out later that Ruby was the one who called him to get the kids. It was part of the big evidence drop last week

[@katb1793]

The part of her journal that really gets me is when R escapes the first time, she writes that she was shaking (and scared) because "my life & Jodi's & my family would forever be different". She knew that if R made it to "jail", he would tell them what she and Jodi had been doing to them. She KNEW that what they were doing was wrong and abuse. Jodi KNEW. THEY KNEW. Yet, they claim that in the name of religion, they were doing the right thing. This is cult behavior and cult thinking. If this behavior is condoned by whatever higher being she claims to have believed in, then why was she so scared that R would escape and get to the jail? These women make me so angry.....

[@mtq341]

Why let them take a plea deal??? These women should have been put on trial to get the maximum sentences. Disgusting. And the husband should have been charged too. He just abandoned his kids.

[@jaynet5756]

Prisoners aren't even treated this bad. Their only punishnent is being confined to a jail cell. They aren't ever deprived of food or water. They aren't tortured by having to stand in direct sunlight, duct taped, none of the things these INNOCENT harmless CHILDREN had to endure. 😡

[@lizcatherine9795]

the father.. not a father. hasn't seen his kids in over a year? his attitude is just sad... he should also be put away for some time being a complicit/ neglectful toward his kids. disgusting.

[@babsmalone5486]

She lied to them about the safe room. She said she’d set the code 6 yrs ago and forgot what it was. It was that room, looking like a huge safe, they found the ropes and handcuffs that boy was held with. Thats where they found the honey and cayenne pepper wound treatment these women put on him. This frightens me soooo much. The Daybell case and this one, from the LDS group, scares me. They were all friends, so that’s an issue, too.

[@veegee1744]

That cop that came out to read her charges to her was HILARIOUS!!!!!

[@goanna2012]

The charges are too lenient,they were going to kill R & A

[@msotrfan1]

R & E

[@reneemcinnis3277]

HE KNOWS MORE THAN HE IS SAYING... Pathetic father.

[@corina217]

Ruby's YT videos should be titled "6 Prisoners" and not "8 Passengers". Because that's what her children were to her - prisoners. Moreover, this woman treated them in an inhumane way, starving and humiliating them. I won't mention Kevin because he attracts contempt as a man.

[@sofie3537]

He didnt care to have contact with his kids for a year? Wow dad of the year right there

[@daft9097]

BRO THAT GIRL WAS SOO AFRAID 😢😢😢😢 THATS CRAZY SHE DIDNT EVEN MOVE OMFG

[@resourcedragon]

I find it odd that Kevin Franke doesn't know what "emaciated" means. He's a college professor and a native English speaker. The word is not that rare. In the context I wondered if his question, "What does emaciated mean?" was more an attempt to look for some wiggle-room, "My son is slim, he's not at death's door from starvation." The policeman's response, to go back to giving him synonyms, was probably the best.

[@b_michigan7783]

Maybe the boy was a normal stature and slim weight the last time Kevin saw him so there might have been a bit of disbelief hearing the word emaciated.

[@nanciephillips7750]

I am filled with glee each time I see her being snatched out of the house!

[@bewitched3912]

I am suffering from a severe case of Schadenfreude also 😅

[@AtaliaCandia]

I've rewatched it several times. The moment she finally realized she wasn't going to get away with this any longer.

[@stasysuter9939]

Never let these animals out of prison ever.

[@tanyaparker6296]

Don't insult animals.

[@Groomerchick00]

I found the wound photos. They are so disturbing. Evidence says it all.

[@mekan0001]

I would love to see a deeper dive into Jodi's connection to the LDS church. Ruby's journal has entries indicating that Jodi met with senior church leaders at various times. She has previously had her license revoked, and I'm not suggesting the leadership knew of this specific abuse, but why has the church continued to refer people to a therapist who has had her license suspended. And how deep does Jodi's connection to the church actually go?

[@bewitched3912]

Brad Wilcox, who gave Jodie Hildebrandt a blessing is one of the 12 General Authorities of the Mormon church. She was the therapist that the church sent Adam Steed, the BSA abuse whistle blower to Jodie to abuse. The church followed Adam throughout his life to silence him. They are connected to the Daybell serial killer case because they all were listed speakers at Another Voice of Warning (AVOW) and Preparing A People conferences. Tim Ballard was a frequent speaker. He was buddies with M. Russell Ballard, another General Authority from the quorum of the 12, who passed away recently. There are many other podcasters following these fundamental folks footzoning and practicing "spiritual wifery"

[@jenniferrussell5635]

It strikes me that the church leadership have again colluded with these monsters by remaining silent as they did with the Daybell case.

[@bewitched3912]

.. you know, it would sound like fiction because of how nefarious the entire 3 hundred billion dollar corporation actually is, but sadly, it is what it is.

[@joellenjohnson4038]

RIGHT ON ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY JUST KEEP IT ROLLING IN AND WE WILL LET YOU BE AS CRAZY AS YOU WANT TO BE

[@SunnyDays70s]

@@bewitched3912SO SICK!

[@brendapouncey6475]

I’ve watched this video maybe two times before and several things stand out that really bother me about Kevin and how he responds. But one in particular that is disturbing is right after he finds out the condition of his 2 youngest children, at the point where the officer ask would he condone that and he hesitates and says, “would I condone that”? And the officer says something to the effect that no human being should be treated like that, Kevin’s reply is a half-hearted no feeling “yeah, okay”!!!! Something is just gravely wrong with that! Yes I know he was in shock and all that. But most normal people , especially the parent of one of those two children, should have been mortified, sickened, and sobbing for having heard how bad they were. I cried so many times while watching both of these children. Why do I feel like we all are far more upset than he ever shows here?

[@piaogilvie8463]

That man will not condone the abuse which his son had to endure. What an absolute waste of space he is. Shame on him

[@GuitarWithBrett]

Kevin seems super sketchy

[@patriciahall2223]

The husband knows exactly whats going on in that home ...needs to be charged !

[@jameslomenzo1139]

Kevin is not a father, a father would have been concerned and checked on his kids. He looks as evil as Ruby and Jodi.

[@groovyroom]

agree, so messed up those kids will go back to him. He failed them in EVERY way. Pathetic coward.

[@Placidzzz]

yup. he looks like a total slob when is not dressed up.

[@eeayquetting5963]

As a father, thank you!

[@Skatejock21]

I hate when people are like "I need to pick up my kids". Well, you should have thought of that before. Since when do you care about your kids.

[@CaravagioBaroque]

Since they could tell police about him too

[@rainyh-jay2414]

Does he EVER ask how his children are?????

[@mimilapin]

not once. he never asks. later he demands for his oldest girl to be arrested. he doesn't love them.

[@Twinkle_Toes88]

No. He never does. I think he had a girlfriend at the address that he refused to give the police.

[@SapiophileGoddess]

From what I understand, the boy (R) that escaped had been threatened by one or both of the women (Ruby and Jodi) with calling the police on him. When he showed up at the neighbor’s door he wasn’t seeking help from the police so much as he was turning himself in, thus the “It’s personal business”. They likely threatened the little girl (E) the same way. She was probably terrified when the officers showed up.

[@Mbeiie]

I’ll never not smile with glee when Jodi opens the door looking like a deer in headlights 😂

[@jeannemarie5908]

My response also! I LOVE how her perceived control is pulled out from under her and she is lost, absolutely smile. From there to a cage, not as nice as the cage in her home! Happy over here! 😊

[@Kari4010]

😆She was like a bulldog, "You guys can't come into my house"!

[@bellycurious]

Woah.. woah...woah... 😂

[@jeannemarie5908]

@@bellycurious 😂😂😂

[@marciafazekas5384]

I play that scene over and over.

[@msotrfan1]

I can't wait to hear the prison stories and how they are treated by fellow inmates.

[@peforster6725]

Will they be in solitary???

[@msotrfan1]

@peforster6725 I was wondering about that too.

[@donnac.1609]

The father gives me uncomfortable vibes! I believe he knew that his wife's thinking and her handling of the kids was suspect. To walk away so easily just hits me wrong. He should be watched very carefully, and I would talk extensively to the older children about their dad. Letting him have custody of his kids spooks me!

[@gointothedogs4634]

Watch his second interview and MormonStories interviews with other men.

[@doneestoner9945]

Maybe because of their religious beliefs, he thought it was appropriate punishment if the demons are involved.

[@groovyroom]

Those kids are so brainwashed by this point, and look how CPS failed the younger kids over and over again. This story is so brutal.

[@resourcedragon]

I've been wondering for a while why Jodi was already on the telephone to her attorney before her arrest. My guess is that she found that R was missing and made an educated guess that this time he'd successfully got help. The fact that she chose to call her attorney, as opposed to calling 911 to report a missing child, suggests that she knew that what she was doing was wrong. EDIT: And another minor anomaly. Ruby refers to throwing E in a dog bath. Off the top of my head, none of the screenshots from "8 passengers" includes a dog, I don't remember seeing any dogs in the excerpts of their videos I saw back in the day. While it's possible they used to own a dog, or that Jodi used to own a dog, I'd like to know when the dog bath was acquired and for what purpose. Because my spidey sense says that it was for torturing kids, not washing dogs or perhaps some legitimate form of craft.

[@vmskating9028]

Apparently Jodi was out driving the neighborhood looking for the boy and encountered the police who told her to go back to her house. Hence, she knew the police were now involved so she called her lawyer.

[@katherineweber8955]

Ruby and Jodi were abusive and crazy before they met each other and when they got together, they used each other to justify their sadism. I don't believe one word of Ruby's claim that she realizes it now. That's just more gaslighting. She is as screwed up as Jodi, just slyer. What they did to these kids is pure sadism and I hope they never get out. Kevin otoh I do believe realized how crazy it was. I even think he will eventually realuze how abusive she was to his kids and how negligent he was going along. But I hope he just gets actual help and not his kids back. They need to be safe.

[@RozaneBeyMcCurdy]

"Woah woah woah woah woah!" Jodi was absolutely "in distortion. Hope both Ruby & Jodi do not see a blue sky outside of prison walls for decades.

[@Mixmastermonk80]

ANY NORMAL PARENT: “What’s going on?! Where are my kids?! Is everything ok?!Why am I here?! Please tell me something!” Kevin: “I haven’t seen my kids in a year…but I trust my wife”

[@rickstokes1]

The mom is delusional, both mom and dad are self absorbed narcissists. These women could very well have killed these children and the fathers excuses are inexcusable. Sad they will be sent back to the father.

[@marieannwalsh662]

Yikes. He's the worst type of dim, dangerous and nasty. Should never see the children again. Ever. Listen to the eldest daughter.

[@groovyroom]

agree. The system has so failed these kids.

[@msotrfan1]

The way Kevin speaks and conducts himself here is not the same way that we knew him on 8 passengers.

[@abyrne234]

I really hope the parole board is able to see through her weird oscar speech from sentencing. She needs to be in jail for as long as the kids need her to be in there. She's a threat to the public

[@Ausgar-yc1yl]

She was NOT sentenced to jail

[@Ausgar-yc1yl]

There is NO parole from jail.

[@abyrne234]

@@Ausgar-yc1yl OK THANKS FOR CLARIFYING

[@jilliegirlie]

Kevin and Ruby are all about ME ME ME ME ME

[@laraoneal7284]

Ruby and husband deserve 20 to 30 years period.

[@daybyday0731]

There was abuse in their house before they got to jodie's house!! His jailhouse house phone calls with rube speaks volumes! Charge him

[@catherinehargrave9539]

Kevin repeating back everything the police said to him in his first interview is infuriating. He is trying to act like he doesn’t understand anything, as if he has limited intellect. In fact, he is an engineer and college professor. I call deception tactic.

[@sucedeu]

You separate from your spouse, not your kids!!! Ridiculous and pathetic, this guy.

[@amethystsavage4018]

You know you’re in trouble when you have your attorney on the phone before the police show up

[@jameslomenzo1139]

I'm sure someone will take care of Jodi and Ruby in prison, even hardened criminals can't stand child abusers.

[@rissamartinez206]

Why is no one talking about Rubys two sisters who also have their own social media channels where they parade around their children. They were aware of the abuse and claim they were powerless to help the children.

[@MaryettaGraves]

Ruby shut them out and basically said they are fine and the sisters hands were tired I think

[@gointothedogs4634]

Two of the sisters have spoken out, one put out a video about their concern over what Ruby was telling them about what she was learning from Jodi, then contact was severed.

[@caroltoot7602]

@@gointothedogs4634That’s probably true, but what is so gross is that the sisters, especially Bonnie, have made and posted videos on their KZbin channels talking about Ruby after her arrest. And those videos were monetized. Bonnie even did one on how she told her children about Ruby. It makes me sick that she is financially profiting off the backs of her physically & mentally abused nephew and niece. It’s pathetic. I unsubscribed to the three Griffith sisters KZbin channels and unfollowed all of them on Instagram. I haven’t watched any of their videos in months. Somethings not right with that entire family.

[@claudiailopez]

They are also abusers to their children

[@wordlemethis2347]

Filing for divorce could just be a strategic move for this Franke couple.

[@SD0224]

It is a strategic move . He was advised by lawyers to do this so he could regain custody of the children . He has every intention to reuniting with Ruby when she is paroled . Kevin needs to get some serious deprogramming psychotherapy. He buys into the fringe LDS beliefs too much to be a healthy parent to any children .

[@narellegoddard7672]

You are both right and I don't know why no one has said this. Of course he won't divorce her. He cried when told she was going to be charged. He is totally spineless. He lets ruby and jodi do this to his kids and tells ruby its ok, i stick by you, its sickening. Then we are surpossed to believe that 2 weeks later he is totally deprogrammed. Yeah, i don't buy it.

[@marciafazekas5384]

Kevin was more concerned about Ruby and Jodi's penned journals than he was about his children.

[@SD0224]

@@marciafazekas5384 exactly ! What does that say about he had no clue about the abuse ?

[@rhondaalbrecht]

These two women KNEW what they were doing was wrong. When Russell escaped Jodi's home, they knew that their scam was over. That's why Jodi was on the phone with her attorney when the police showed up to find Eve, under exigent circumstances. Ruby wasn't at the house at the time, but she knew, which is why she called Kevin, out of the blue, to come get the kids, because she knew she was going to be arrested, once Russell's escape was reported to the police. They knew. Kevin never knew that his family was even IN Ivins, UT, which is near St. George, which is on the border with Arizona and Nevada, near Las Vegas. Kevin had to drive FIVE hours to get to Ivins from where he was, north of Salt Lake City (Brigham University campus). Ruby had gone no-contact with him, on Jodi's advice as her mental health therapist, to save his marriage. He was totally in shock at all of this, and this is the reaction he's displaying when being interviewed by the police there in Ivins in regards to his knowledge of what happened to the two youngest children.

[@jessicascoullar3737]

But he should have known. He didn’t bother to see his kids for a year and even in the interview he was more concerned with whether Ruby was ok than what happened to his kids. He is a horribly neglectful father and I wouldn’t trust him to protect them if he is granted custody.

[@garthg.6150]

They moved the BYU campus from 45 mins south of Salt Lake City to north of it?

[@ckevorkianxo]

If he wasn’t involved in negative ways - He wouldn’t refuse half of the answers that he did 🙄😡

[@2zuki]

hold👏kevin👏accountable👏too👏❕️ those kids are 50% him, so where was he in all this???? not a man or a father, only a piece of garbage

[@lizverdenhalven2159]

I am so glad they were never able to bring the kids to the land they were trying to get. It would have been even more torture and labour. I don’t think they would have survived long out there. It’s sick that they are capped at 30 years in prison after what they did and how much trauma all the children will have forever.

[@somozamaria]

Kevin should be charged. He knew what was going on and did nothing to protect his children.

[@karenhardie1132]

B.S. meter is going off. Why is Kevin not charged. He knew what was going on and didn't stop it. Don't let those kids go with him.

[@juliapearce4380]

Plus when they removed the duct tape from his wrists and ankles there was infection under the tape.. They also put honey with red pepper in it on the wounds… I think they both should serve LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE… Hope the parole board is not full of people who believe in this kind of punishment..

[@mamasmurf7830]

Kevin just knows that he has to play their game now. Same as Ruby. Once Ruby realized that she needed to pretend to be incredibly remorseful to get out, she got into her role…. Kevin realized that he needed to pretend to not believe in the same crazy beliefs that Ruby and Jodi do, in order to have any chance whatsoever in getting the kids back. They’re both just trying to manipulate everyone. 😡😒

[@saratemp790]

Why is no one examining the child corn angle? The young boy R did not get access to corn at three years old by himself.

[@tara_ble1705]

Please explain to me why Kevin has not been or was not charged with negligence or parental desertion or something.

[@GH-oi2jf]

Ask the D.A.

[@suzannerichardson3208]

How could Kevin have NO contact with his kids for over a year? That s negligence.