Lawyer Reacts: Kevin Franke Files for Divorce From 8 Passengers Mom + Should Law Block Life Coaches?

[@n0thanku]

The police cam footage/audio of him trying to press charges against his oldest daughter for “burglarizing” his home was very damning and telling.

[@3141micha]

Even if he didnt have to do anything with the abuse, he still abandoned his kids .

[@Remmysage]

Because Jodi made them. It wouldn’t have been easy for him to just take the kids if Jodi was calling the shots. Would have been a mess and legally wrong if he just took the kids without an agreement with the mom.

[@Charlesbjtown]

Proof?

[@Why0825]

@@Remmysagedid you happen to read this out loud to yourself? It’s logical if the Mom took the kids…… but the converse would be incorrect? Please explain to me how I interpreted your comment incorrectly. I’m truly confused

[@ravenzyblack]

@@Why0825- We know the Family Court system favors mothers over fathers so yes what was posted is correct. You can bet your ass had he taken the kids or tried to take the kids 911 would have been called and he would have been arrested for kidnapping his own children.

[@bonniesides6433]

I find it almost implausible that both parents either participated or at the very least looked the other way while the abuse was happening. Not being with your spouse or co-parent does NOT change your RESPONSIBILITY as a parent to protect, care, and advocate for your children!

[@Roxyvvro]

This divorce shows me he is trying to distance himself from the abuse, but he is just as complicit in the abuse of his children way before Jodie was on the scene? That includes his child watching porn on his laptop etc! His reaction to his daughter taking stuff from the house for the siblings is just a tip of the iceberg of his true character

[@PrometheanRising]

Seems unlikely his kids saw porn on his laptop. These people have insane ideas about what porn is.

[@margaretsmith7776]

One of Jodi Hildebrandt's examples of "porn" is children lining up their dolls in a straight row. @@PrometheanRising

[@selahr.]

As a licensed mental health professional, yes “life coaches” are a huge problem. There is no set requirements, licensing, ethical rules, or investigation/complaint/enforcement oversight for the profession. Your hair stylist should not have higher requirements to be employed than your “life coach.” They don’t need to be eliminated, but there does need to be organization and basic training requirements so we know these people have some kind of basic knowledge of when a client’s issues is actually a mental health or psychiatric problem. Plus it does offer some basic safety net for the public. Right now you have no way to complain until/unless they obviously break the law… that leaves a lot of ethical issues they can do and get away with. That’s the dangerous part here.

[@chiricanita6697]

Jodi was a certified mental clinic counselor, was Rubi the coach?

[@LuckyStar-rc2dt]

What do you do exactly?

[@selahr.]

@@LuckyStar-rc2dt I’m a Licensed Professional Counselor, which in my state requires bachelor and master level degree in psychology/counseling, passing a national counseling related exam (kind of like “passing the bar” in law), and then complete 3,000 hours of supervised clinical work within five years under someone licensed to be a LPC Supervisor (who must also spend an hour each week of that entire period mentoring and training you) before you can practice on your own and be considered fully licensed. To maintain your license you must complete 24 hours of continuing professional education every two years. I have been fully licensed for over 15 years and have been in the mental health field for over 25 years if I count academically required internships, years worked under psychiatrists/physicians licenses (what’s called a QMHP here), and as a trained SA/DV crisis counselor for county level NGOs.

[@BoyMama87]

@@chiricanita6697 in the video, they mentioned that Jodi had lost her license a while ago. So then she became ‘a coach’. So, as of right now, we do not know why she lost her license but DOPL must have had a pretty good reason. So she found a way around it to continue doing what she was doing by being a ‘coach’.

[@BoyMama87]

Yes yes yes!! I’m an LMFT. Everything you said👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@atrefre]

The fact that he was willing to put his daughter in jail is a major red flag for me.

[@ldolan4051]

What?

[@pattyolson3842]

They have reconciled, I thought. The went to a court hearing together.

[@justasub]

​@@pattyolson3842that's true but just the fact that he wanted her arrested and said he'd have to "research further" why she wasn't being charged speaks volumes

[@lindaperrine680]

I agree with you a 100 percent

[@gorkyd7912]

A red flag is just an excuse to have prejudice when you don't know the facts.

[@TraceD007]

He should have filed years ago. They should NOT give him custody of the minor children. He was right there beside her on all the videos humiliating and disparaging his children. He joined in on that abuse.

[@lindajohnson.]

Kevin, was around the children at home for years. He went right along with Ruby. Obviously he never tried to stop her behavior and the punishments for the children.😢

[@lacsuttle]

Kevin is trying to do public damage control for the custody case. Too little, too late, imo. He knew for years the emotional and physical punishments going on well before Jodi entered the picture.

[@JonasReichert1992]

He shouldn’t have tried to get his oldest Child in Prison. I don’t think that helps him in a custody Battle for the other children.

[@HotRaptor]

He also didn’t refute or disagree with Ruby when she said that children are evil and adults don’t understand it…….and she suggested he knew what she meant….but the call is being recorded

[@missylee956]

I remember when my neighbor sharon glass got 40 years for child abuse for being the girlfriend of the man who was abusing his son and this was in Florida and on the news. So saying that the mother might get leniency because the family counselor influenced her doesn't make sense to me.

[@justasub]

I hope to God that doesn't happen because Ruby was an abuser before meeting Jodi

[@wild_gypsy_rose]

True, and Ruby was showing all the signs of bad choices with regards to parenting long before Jodi came along. People have been reporting on you tube about her for years.

[@jansliger8655]

He is covering his A

[@jansliger8655]

We need licensing for life coaches.

[@DiannAbadie]

There were too many years that he was living at home while these punishments went on. I think it is a ploy to get the kids.

[@ttrainor70]

nah, ruby's going to jail. he'll get custody

[@rebeccagable9629]

100%

[@carlamabry6944]

I think it’s a ploy to cover his butt!

[@tweety2918]

Ploy to CYA and $$$ so him and assets are not paying for her legal team. Wanting her prosecuted - he is a p.o.s. - agreed he was worried what Was on electronics

[@ezrasace]

What I am still trying to get my head around is that Kevin wasn't in contact with the kids. He and Ruby weren't divorced. It seems he lived separately and let Ruby have the kids, sort of washed his hands of them. Ruby may be a villain; but, so is Kevin.

[@Remmysage]

That was his only choice if he wanted to get his wife and kids back at the time.

[@Why0825]

@@Remmysagedo you have some Morman or Connexion insight that the rest of us don’t? Instead of random comments explain it to us like we are six What was Ruby holding over Kevin’s head for a year so that if he didn’t comply… he doesn’t get his kids nor his wife??? This is a hot mess. But I seriously wanna know how this works out

[@koertrprtrgirlg9109]

Check out Adam Steed and his therapy with Hildebrandt. Her motto is that the marriage must be destroyed before it can be built back up. Because he was SA’d as a child, she convinced he and his wife that he was to be feared and was a sex addict. He was separated from his wife and children, kicked out of college, lost church privileges after she disclosed false accusations about him. Her license was suspended due to his case. Manipulating couples into long-term physical separation is her go-to therapy, and it appears to me she has a disdain for men in general.

[@koertrprtrgirlg9109]

@thelawyeryouknow Jessi Hildebrandt is Jodi’ s niece, who allegedly suffered the same abuses as the Franke kids bec she was gay and a troubled teen.

[@michiganscythian2445]

Jody has a pattern of forcing men out of their homes. First of all, adult entertainment and self pleasure are considered extremely bad sins in the Mormon church. So, Jody was using these things as an excuse to force men out of their homes for the safety of the kids and other reasons. And Jody kept “promising” Kevin (and other men) that Jody would decide when they were deemed fit return to their families.

[@sallycinnamon5370]

I think there should be a restriction of use for terms like “certified” “licensed” and “registered” to describe unregulated professions. It gives the impression that they are following some sort of standardized program that they were taught and should be able to trust. And if you are presenting yourself as a licences therapist AND life coach it confuses the two roles. And generally they tag the lifecoach on because they are doing things that therapists are not allowed to ethically. If you want to totally forsake your degree and licensing then say you are a life coach….go for it. But if you use your degree and licence to bolster your “life coach” status then that should not be allowed.

[@BoyMama87]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@RavenTheRiverRunner]

I agree. Life coach is such a broad term that some new age cults and people who are trying to build some sort of internet business/social media presence use. Anyone can say they are a life coach. I’d love to actually find a “life coach,” but I’m too skeptical to try to find one, as most are trying to sell something or make money as opposed to actually helping individuals. Those are my thoughts at least.

[@nezumi16]

I'm coming out of an incredibly dark time in my life. I've relied a lot on mental health professionals to be able to recover. I also consider myself incredible fortunate to have family to support and to have dealt with professionals who, to me, were good at what they do. What scares me about Life Coaches is how closely they are positioned to people in very vulnerable states. It would have taken someone next-to no effort to manipulate me into doing what or being who they wanted. Anyone can get or give advice, that's not the issue for me. For someone to be able to advertise themselves as a "Life Coach" and be in a position to take advantage of or manipulate the vulnerable with absolutely no oversight is a scary thing for me. Yes, if a Life Coach operates in a way that is provably illegal, then we have laws to punish that, but there's a lot of damage that can be done before getting to that point.

[@foxymama9203]

@nezumi16 Very well said!!!! I am a DV survivor and thankfully had wonderful therapists to help me put my life back together back then. This was 40 years ago and I was young and very vulnerable. Like you said, if I had had a therapist that wasn’t working for my best mental health, I could have gone a completely darker path. I am thankful you are out of your dark times also and I wish you continued happiness and peace!! ❤

[@56ChevyBelAir]

I think he’s tying to save his own butt!! There are multiple videos out there of him being fine with using the kids not getting food as punishment. He’s been right there for years of mistreatment of those kids. He walked away from them, didn’t see or talk to his kids for 13 month because someone told him to. You couldn’t keep me away from my kids!! He tried to have his oldest arrested. He’s not a good person and not a good father. He’s just trying to save his own skin at this point.

[@allabouttheshade]

I think he's doing it to save face. Probably to also save some of their assets. He's far from innocent, regardless of Jodi's involvement. These behaviors were going on before and the way he wanted his oldest arrested speaks volumes. What was he afraid would be seen on those devices?

[@Why0825]

Probably just some only fans accounts…. 😂😂

[@margaretsmith7776]

Definitely to save assets. Kevin is all about himself. Also, there's a reason why the two oldest kids are and have been estranged from both Kevin and Ruby.

[@debheckmun4645]

He’s not some innocent party, he’s just trying to save face as much as he can.

[@gorkyd7912]

Yes, all the women in the comments agree that the man is responsible. Listen to Adam Steed's interview. Jodi used emotional manipulation and counseling to convince fathers that they were potential predators. He's a victim of his wife and her coach's manipulation and he was separated from his own kids for a year but you're going to sit here and say he's the one responsible because you have a V and that's enough to make you an expert.

[@jencendiary]

@@gorkyd7912 Your loud misogyny says everything we need to know about your opinion.

[@irishandscottish1829]

@@jencendiary I’m a woman and I agree with him. We can’t all say Adam steed is a victim but then not hold the same standard for other husbands… I find it laughable to watch the hoops people jump to try and justify their hypocrisy of why they deem one husband a victim but not the next - completely failing to have any consistency

[@billyyank5807]

Stop. You're wrong. Those vile women manipulated him. Stop defending them. You blaming him is defending them.

[@billyyank5807]

​@@jencendiary having a different opinion isn't misogyny. You're sexist for saying that.

[@shanacamacho79]

I think he is looking to protect himself and keep kids from talking to others

[@somethingelse4204]

I grew up with parents that used religion to justify controlling every inch of my life. They also had a horrible, horrible marriage and depending on who was venting "privately" to a friend, the story easily morphed from my mom trapped in a loveless, controlling marriage to an angry man she didn't have the resources to get away from (even though she controlled the finances without any oversight and easily squirrelled away funds for herself whenever she wanted to purchase something big) to my dad hanging in there for the kids, stuck with a cold, manipulative, angry woman. In reality, they were both abusive. Both concocting convoluted standards of "discipline" for us kids. And the goal posts moved depending on which kid it was and how stressed or needing to vent the parent involved was. We were their showpieces in public and their punching bags in private. All of this to say, I do not trust Kevin Franke one bit. Not one bit. If they had a pet, I wouldn't give the pet back into his care. Maybe if he saw a licensed therapist and acknowledged that he participated in the culture of abuse and control in the house and he took strategic steps to address why he'd done that and how he'd make sure he wouldn't fall back into old patterns. I'm not saying that what happened to him with this church counselor was okay - he was a victim there. But the things happening in that house were not just the dream child of Ruby. He participated in it, he believe in it. He's still trying to patch as many holes in the ship as possible and he's retaliating against his oldest daughter who has dared to air the family dirty laundry. He's still a controlling monster. This divorce is just another pantomine meant to mimic what he thinks a "good father" would do, not realizing it's too little and too late. I hope to god the courts see through him and keep those poor children safe.

[@foxymama9203]

@somethingelse4204, Well said!

[@MsBeverlyTrca]

My first thought is the husband is heading the divorce route to protect his financial interests and to give him better standing on the child custody. However, he is thankfully being advised by a lawyer and hopefully his legal team is helping to get his priorities straight.

[@lindajohnson.]

I think a lawyer is telling him how to proceed. My opinion is he is guilty, too. He is not “Father of the Year”.

[@raerae2555]

​@@lindajohnson.He was totally complicit.

[@athanksgivingbaby570]

Absolutely protecting his personal financial interest. Ruby's legal team is going to cost BANK.

[@ninastanek3388]

I don’t think there need to be regulations for „Life Coaches“ but certainly for „Mental Health Coaches“ or how they name it. People should still do their own research and use their common sense (or brain). If a Life Coach tells me I should abuse my children, I terminate the coaching immediately. And this wasn’t only Hildebrandt, Ruby Franke gave the same advice. I should always be able (and responsible) to questioning someone’s advice. Jodi WAS licensed and she was still able to give horrible advice. Because of LDS and the mormon community.

[@foxymama9203]

@ninastanek3, @nezumi16 made a great point and I agree that while a lot of people could be like you are and make a common sense decision, some others may be very vulnerable mentally and not be capable of making good decisions if they are manipulated. I am a DV survivor and was very young and broken when I finally made it out. I was lucky enough to have had amazing therapists, but if one of them was a Jodi Hildebrant, I can’t say I wouldn’t have done some stupid things. It took years of therapy to get back my self worth and trust my judgement again.

[@AstroMoonGoddess]

We know that years ago when Ruby and Kevin sent their eldest son, Chad Franke, to a wilderness retreat, they used Jodi Hildebrandt as a therapist for him for ongoing counseling which was done remotely. We don’t know if Jodi was treating Ruby and Kevin at that point, or any of the other kids. We also know that Jodi used to be Ruby’s brother’s counsellor. That was spoken about in a video one of Ruby’s sisters put out about all of what’s going on. I just wanted to point that out since it was discussed around the 35:00 mark.

[@67jujub]

Kevin is playing a game, he is trying to get the kids IMO. My problem with that is he stood by while living in the home & let those kids be neglected at the very least. I say that because there is video proof of it.

[@debk5325]

I believe that Jody is still manipulating their marriage and their family behind bars. Anyone that would go 14 months without seeing his children qould do whatever else she suggested doing.

[@dogcrazy25]

I thought Jodi was referred by the Mormon Bishops quite frequently. This would probably give validation to her expertise. Heardvthis from her Neice and on Morman Stories.

[@LALAMOK59]

“Life Coaches” and their ilk should be required to have disclaimers basically saying “use at your own risk”.

[@JackieOlantern]

IMO this is CYA mode for Kevin. We’ve heard he was doing everything Jodi & Ruby wanted him to do because he wanted to save his marriage. Now… he can say, “see… I divorced her… I didn’t know this stuff was going on… I am fit to have custody of my kid….” He was going right along with all the crazy child rearing until Ruby kicked him out.

[@wesbeuning1733]

He was going along with it for over a year after he was told to leave. Supported both of them up to right now. He is culpable and has demonstrated negligence regarding his kids at the very least.

[@Remmysage]

@@wesbeuning1733maybe he didn’t know what was going on cause he wasn’t there. Now that he knows what was going on he could be done with his wife and trying to save the family. If I found out my wife was keeping me away from my children so they could be abused I’d give up the marriage as well!

[@ConMetalFan]

​@@RemmysageI can't for the life of me understand why you're defending Kevin's abdication of his parental responsibilities.

[@familyocean]

Let's all take a little personal responsibility to choose who we perceive as experts. I'm always of the mindset that just because someone calls themselves a title like "life coach", doesn't make it so.

[@susieque5030]

I’ve always thought the title “life coach” was B.S. Just sayin’!

[@gorkyd7912]

Life coach is just someone you pay to be your friend. Same as most counselors. Professional friend. The assumptions are usually correct that they will have more than average experience being friendly with more types of people but otherwise that results will vary from individual to individual. Making a law about this is just ridiculous; lawmakers trying to seize on the attention of the case.

[@lindajohnson.]

My husbands favorite words, 😊 “Personal Responsibility “ 😊

[@kimberleylangford5536]

AMEN! Well said!

[@MarshiaArmstrong]

As a person who has taken counseling and has a degree in Psych and Ed, I agree with the news guy that the whole thing should be helping people to sort out their individual thoughts and needs not decide who is right or wrong in the relationship.

[@elizabethlacky6068]

Kevin was in many, many videos where yhe abuse was taking place front & center. I don't trust Kevin after he tried to have his daughter arrested.

[@justasub]

💯💯💯 He hasn't changed at all IMO

[@gorkyd7912]

What abuse took place in his presence? Honestly curious because I don't follow this youtube drama and don't know this case.

[@drewclark8799]

​@@gorkyd7912I've only followed legal reporting on this, not the family's KZbin, so I may be wrong or missing things. My understanding is: 1 that both parents engaged in withholding food, which is probably the easiest abuse accusation, legally. 2 Removal of rooms, beds, clothes, etc which some lawyers have chimed in to say does legally count as abuse. 3 public shaming on their KZbin channel, which to me is colloquially abusive, but I'll be surprised if that counts as abuse legally. That's at least what I'm aware of where both parents are present. I'm not sure if the father was there for the restraints, or isolation, or withholding from school and so on.

[@justasub]

@@gorkyd7912 Kids not being allowed to eat if they disobeyed. Their oldest getting sent to wilderness camp and then coming home and getting his bedroom taken away for playing a prank on his younger brother for 8 months I believe. He had to sleep on a couch or bean bag. Their oldest daughter getting her money taken away when she moved out for college are just a few "punishments" I can think of off the top of my head

[@Remmysage]

CPS deemed all that stuff not abuse. So no, legally he wouldn’t be accused of abuse in the eyes of the actual law. No law says you have to feed your children breakfast, lunch and dinner. It may morally be wrong in a lot of people’s eyes but he wasn’t there when they kids were being tied up. If he was then yes, he’d be apart of the abuse.

[@MsLolgirl121]

I have no idea why life coaches are so unregulated in the states. In Canada there seems to be stricter/tighter enforcement for people who are openly providing these services/if they are even allowed to at all. I 100% think 'life coaches' should be disallowed from practicing and have current individuals obtain proper certification if they choose to follow higher education in a regulated area or field.

[@amandamacabre]

I'm Canadian and know a girl that got a life coach certificate online in 12 weeks and went on to advertise herself as such, so I don't think it's THAT regulated.

[@ZebraArchitect]

Peter!…What is UP? I live in a northern state, have 14” of snow on the ground right now, and even WE don’t wear fleece like that indoors! Must be COLD in FL! Stay warm! ❄️❄️❄️ I really appreciate your videos and livestreams!

[@jsthecat]

JH is absolutely guilty on the damage she caused to her clients. RF is guilty of abuse, neglect and abandonment of her children. If parents choose medical quavers to treat physical ailments in their children and the children are harmed the parents are liable. Same for behavioural or psychological ailments. Although I highly doubt there was anything wrong with the children. And any life-time therapy the children will require is from the life long abuse that RF inflicted on them. 😡

[@wandad1799]

Good coverage and perspective. As an "unregulated" professional, it's important to represent yourself, your training and experience honestly and transparent. I love what I do to support others, but those with graduate degrees who are part of à regulatory body have other ideas. It's about liability too.

[@Sassyhound]

Wow a screen of 3 smart, good looking men! Not a bad lunch break!

[@whiteroses47]

So he thinks that divorce is going to exonerate him from being neglectful to his children while they were being abused? I think not!

[@gorkyd7912]

If the roles were reversed and he was a woman he would be exonerated already. The reality is that men are always held responsible and they just don't know it. If you're a husband, don't let your wife make ANY decision because it's ultimately your decision and you will be held responsible for it.

[@jencendiary]

@@gorkyd7912 Found the incel.

[@gorkyd7912]

@@jencendiary Happily married, thanks for revealing your prejudice and bigotry.

[@jencendiary]

@@gorkyd7912 I don't take personal criticism from misogynists.

[@newenglandcoast7121]

Peter, it is my understanding that there is a court order preventing a victim of Jodi Hildebrant, Adam Stead from discussing his abuse. Why is this allowed?

[@elf1845]

I saw Adams interviews on HiddenTrue Crime way back. I'm curious too why he can't speak now

[@rurukachu1]

Life coaches should be certified and have educational requirements like therapists. The reason the profession has blown up with every social media proclaimed guru offering life coaching is because there are no regulations. You wouldn't use a surgeon who didn't have the education, training, and licensing to perform surgery.

[@donnaluzier4299]

There should be some rules to be a "life Coach" .

[@gorkyd7912]

There should be some rules to be an adult. If you need a law to tell you who is a state-approved "life coach" then you probably need to just stay in your parents custody and not make any adult decisions in life.

[@BoyMama87]

@@gorkyd7912 there are rules to being an adult. They are called laws…

[@samanthawilcox8505]

Utah lawyer here. 👋 The domestic relations injunction that you covered was not stipulated to by the parties. It is auto-generated and entered by the court any time a divorce initiated.

[@lenemostert9849]

Kevin was ok for not seeing his children for 13 months? That on its own is terrible!

[@cheeryochelle1717]

I think anyone who claims to be a "professional" therapist, life coach, etc., needs to be regulated somehow. When a person is giving advice that affects the physical, mental, and emotional welfare of a child, they need to held to a higher standard than just a friend offering advice. For example, telling a husband to excommunicate from their children and wife when there's no grounds for such an extreme decision can harm the children. If a professional has made strange/extreme demands, they're probably telling other clients to drink the same Kool-aid.

[@tinab3627]

Yes! So many people are calling themselves a”life coach “ with zero qualifications

[@katedaniels9623]

This: “Filing for divorce when there is a criminal charge on the horizon also serves as financial protection in several ways: All marital assets are divided before a criminal conviction. The innocent spouse gets his or her share of the marital estate before legal fees begin to drain the assets.”

[@specialkl4792]

I don’t consider calling her an abuser as disparaging, IF it’s true!

[@justshellie]

I dont think he can be trusted w the kids.

[@BookishDark]

Peter I want to thank you for what you said about people without college degrees - it actually made me tear up a bit. I struggled with severe social anxiety and didn’t get to college until I was 22. I had a 4.0 GPA for the almost two years I was there…and then I got pregnant lol so completing college did not happen for me. I’m 40 now and feel embarrassed at times to not have some official document that declares, “she knows things! She’s pretty smart!” It can be a significant road block in the world. It helps to hear someone say, “people can be smart without a college degree. Education is important (I absolutely agree) but it’s not the only thing.” Thank you for that. ❤

[@amyraszipovits810]

But with lawyers and therapists they have boards you can reach out if there is an ethics violation.

[@BoyMama87]

Exactly! They are held to a higher standard, and can face consequences. Coaches do not face consequences because they are not governed.

[@nickventer8494]

I am a certified coach in South Africa. I have a degree in Industrial Psychology and was in the corporate executive world for 20 years+ I coached many people over the years informally but since getting the qualification it provides you with the ethical and structural base to operate - way improving my ability to positively impact lives.

[@kat1984]

I don't think that therapists who lost their license to practice should be allowed to become a "life coach." They lost their license for a reason.

[@tammiebrown8317]

There’s no licensure for life coach. Anyone can call themselves a life coach without any formal training.

[@nicol_eo]

A lot of MLMs are based in Utah that consider their consultants coaches of some kind. It will be heavily lobbied against, so I can't see the legislation getting very far there.

[@justsayin895]

Mr. Grande don’t want no smoke from anywhere. They had already been split, but his treatment towards his adult daughter says all I need to know about him. But whatever, drama drama drama

[@Thetiminator44]

As someone near Tampa, it was extremely cold until like 12 pm then it felt nice! But people make fun of Florida cold

[@katthedogwhisperer]

He just wants to distance himself to minimize his guilt. In my opinion this doesn't make him less culpable

[@Annette-b6v]

When Jodi Hildebrant lost her therapist license years ago, she simply changed her business card to life coach and continued right on. Jodi actually trained other life coaches. And was very involved in helping the Mormon church establish their own 12 step program for alcoholism.

[@ceha9517]

Not true. Her license was suspended for six month. She did not loose it finally. Ruby was the life coach on the homepage. But was is a life coach anyway if anybody can be one. Ridiculous.

[@teddiwhitney5111]

Problem was they were charging people for services that were recommended by their church.

[@bee_couture]

So doctors, lawyers, and psychologists all having licensing boards that help regulate someone’s behavior. You can face board sanctions even if you don’t do anything criminal. I think something similar for life coaches would not be a bad thing.

[@annamarie7198]

ah.... yes .. not involved separated & now divorcing.. let's put as much distance as possible one little problem HE'S ALL OVER THE INTERNET . . INVOLVED 😬

[@Lily_B2022]

I appreciate the points you make. They help me think more abstractly about what the broader picture of how laws work/would work.

[@PleasePassThePepper1]

Would anyone or anything keep you away from your children for a day, never mind a year. Terrible.

[@shannonbieber5139]

“Life Coach” may as well be synonymous with today’s “Influencer”. Its an self-declared and arbitrary title used to establish or bolster an appearance of “credibility” in order to sell and promote their brand and services. This is why diligence in conducting consumer research is critically important.

[@Enjoythepour]

I don’t understand why the father hasn’t been more vocal or involved with regard to this case and his children.

[@Remmysage]

He’s probably been advised by his lawyer to be quiet, which 99 percent of lawyers would tell you to do.

[@crystlestubbs6247]

This is crazy... How can I receive a notification saying this is going live within minutes. I click on and get settled and I look at comments and some of them say from an hour ago ??????

[@nickventer8494]

Yeah I'm wondering the same thing 🤔

[@3141micha]

KZbin. You are welcome.

[@crystlestubbs6247]

I don't think I have made it into one yet. I have notifications set and I am usually computer literate for the most part lol . I have much to learn about technology but I am average for sure and probably a bit above average on most things. For some reason these lives are making me feel pretty foolish though.... 😊

[@MW-lw2fc]

Licensing provides guidelines. It's necessary

[@justbeachy15]

Hildebrandt claimed to be a life coach but also using that to start a cult. I think it’s dicier bc didn’t she lose her actual license to practice?? Continuing to provide services under a new title seems a little criminal. Definitely do your homework on who you hire but there should def be regulations for life coaches. It’s not to say they are bad people but we wanna keep the bad people out you know? Love your points, and analyses thank you for sharing your knowledge ✨✨✨✨

[@katrinamullis6943]

I think most people don't understand that a life coach isn't certified by the state. Mental health is just too risky. I'd prefer they'd have a large disclaimer for life coaches.

[@adabels3079]

I love when Floridian’s are cold🤣I live in Chicago and it’s 🥶

[@jeannettedaroosh4779]

I think licensing is appropriate. As a paid confidant, these professionals are likely dealing w/peoples' vulnerabilities that s/b treated as privileged communications protected by the same confidentiality rules & laws governing psychologists/psychiatrists. If you hang out a shingle proclaiming you're a "Life Coach", are you subject to the same sacred oath of confidentiality & the same laws as licensed psychologists/psychiatrists? How are these things enforced if you're not licensed?

[@ladyj.9350]

I think people shouldn’t be able to say “certified” if there’s no certification process

[@Vegas_Mel]

Thank you for covering this. These poor kids omg

[@MoparMelanie]

I think you shouldn't be able to use the term "certified" if you aren't certified by a state or national organization.

[@Kate-f6w]

I certified as a life coach many years ago, however, I didn't actually open a business. I do have an opinion on your discussion around regulations. If such a requirement were necessary, then would fitness coaches also need to be state authorized to ensure some further protection of people's health and wellness? I did certify and went through all the "training", not sure that's most accurate description of the materials and classes, but....Anyway, there was a very clear distinction made between what was coaching and what was mental health territory . Like every profession and business selling services advertising is not in and of itself regulated and therefore services, quality and often even cost are frequently exaggerated and flat out false. Perhaps the state would be better off and the public would be better off in an attempt to regulate the advertising of what the services are providing necessary language about what state or professional licenses are or are not present. Hope this makes sense.

[@barbarafuhrman7395]

Thank you Petter for this break down. The best for the child...this mormom church teaching on life an family needs to be held responsiable for the damage just not the law alone. Change the church change the law ....⁷

[@tammyglasenappsimon4941]

I think that he's divorcing his wife because you can't testify against your spouse. He has some guilty responsibility because he did videos with Frankie, he knew and participated in them. Why in the world would you agree to some counselor to abandon your children. Does not make sense. He left those children with a mother that abuses and has someone else abuse your children. 😡

[@SarahHolt-z4y]

I’m wondering if he’s doing this to try and keep charges AWAY FROM HIM? I’m wondering if they are building a case against him?!?!

[@Sydney-qn3xb]

I think there should be some distinction between a psychologist or LCSW and some random person without training. I’m not saying you can’t go to someone without certification, but it should be clear about who does and doesn’t have that certification.

[@Marie0706]

Peter, that jacket looks so cozy but I didn't realize it was that cold in Fla? lol

[@phibrindacier1916]

I'd feel more reassured if he said, "I didn't realize, I was brainwashed, I wasn't comfortable with her ways but now I'm sooooo sorry for what I chose to close my eyes on, I will now follow good parental coaching/workshops to improve my parental skills, I want to make my children the happiest from now on, I will regularly give news to such and such, I will lose my children if I don't become absolutely impeccable, but please give me a chance to show who I want to be from now on...

[@tiannnna]

They have both been abusing these children since they started family vlogging!

[@OkieStinner]

Don't understand how the father can claim to want what's best for the kids, yet seek custody and agree to not disparage Ruby all in the same breath. I would imagine any kind of therapy or healing entails honest and open dialogue about their poor parenting and past choices. If he is legally gagged from acknowledging any of his or her culpability he's just looking for another pass and another chance to be a negligent father. The court should not allow a second chance. The kids should be under the care and custody of compassionate adults who truly have their best interests in mind without the skeletons in their family closet. Anything less is just prolonging their suffering and confusion. They need a clean break from this unhealthy family dynamic already.

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

I wish I could ask hubby dearest why he waited until now to divorce her. I'd've been gone a loooong time ago, and fought like hell for sole custody of all 6 kids, with her getting supervised visitation only.

[@PrometheanRising]

Kevin is working that Mormon mafia angle hard. The LDS is going to circle the wagons around him, and leave Ruby to rot. Don't expect charges against Kevin(or Ruby) at this point for the instances of abuse from before they ever knew Jodi.

[@RobbieJayOne]

The epicenter of the problem is Jodi, a former licensed therapist.

[@elaineirvin1]

When I first started watching this Case, And I saw Kevin's interview. I realized that he is for Ruby not his kids. After I saw Kevin's interview, the first thing I thought was he was gonna file for divorce, not because he wanted to divorce Ruby but to try and get his kids back. There is a jail phone conversation between Ruby and Kevin and Kevin says. I have to do this so we can get OUR kids back. Meaning he has to divorce her so that it looks good in the public eye so he can retain custody. He even, In a roundabout way, said they will be together again in the future with our kids. This is extremely scary, Because before Ruby even met jodie, she was on her KZbin show discipline the kids in the same way that she was arrested for with Kevin. If you look at the videos of Ruby's KZbin, you will see.She was doing this child abuse stuff before even meeting Jodie. I truly hope kevin doesn't get custody of the kids, he is just as evil as Ruby & Jodie. And on a final note he is trying to get Jodie's money stating.It's for the kids future mental health, But I guarantee you if he gets any money from her.He will spend it on his own stuff. The kids will never see that money. None of these adults cared about these children. These children were just a way to get out their torturous ways and evilness. Like a like a punching bag. I truly hope these children find peace and he'll away from these horrible people.

[@MysTarey]

Wasn’t Ruby abusive before she met Jody? I don’t think everything should be blamed on Jody

[@Remmysage]

Legally, no she wasn’t. CPS was called several times and they didn’t deem it abuse.

[@abv250]

this lies at the the feet of hildebrand, the purity culture which supported her, and the instiitutions that recommended her, promoted her, reimbursed her, and shielded her.

[@gwynhyfer]

Now wait for him to strike a docusoap deal...

[@Banannieee0625]

Greatly appreciate your perspective re education!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Glad it was helpful!

[@dianelavoie6208]

Even priests and ministers have counseling courses in their training. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it should be licensed as a duck.

[@kristyreynoldsapaintersdau9016]

Well I know I’m watching this episode 4 months later. But there are several people that have now come forward telling about the problems they had with Jodi’s counseling. Either the breaking of the family, the problems with young children in her own family. Like her niece Jessie, I feel that if you’re needing to take your child to see a counselor for behavior mental health they should have special training. That requires they have some kind of umbrella of protection to the public. Certification, license registration whatever. So the public can check to see if they have a license in good standing.

[@dudemorris7769]

It does make perfect sense to a man wanting his family back together. You’ll do whatever you’re asked.

[@reynaolvera7526]

Jesse Webber and Peter. Two of my favorite lawtties ❤

[@katthedogwhisperer]

At the end of the day, health care professionals should be held responsible for what they are "suggesting." However, on the other side of it, if a person is being told to withhold food or water from a child and they actually do it, they too should be held accountable. There shouldn't be culpability for the Healthcare provider and not the parent. It's not a one or the other situation. Jodi is an out of control human. Kevin and Ruby are equally out of control humans.

[@lauriewarner4848]

It’s fun to see you waking up early to give us info, all snuggled in. Thanks. In my opinion this guy has no moral backbone. He left his children without seeing them for over a year?!? Now that the poop hits the fan he wants to again bail!?! This has been a slow steady process, not something that happened in the time period of him being gone. It’s really no different than when a father is abusing and the mom stays quiet, and lets it happen. Divorce or not he needs to be held responsible for his part of years of this happening. Then leaving ….? No no no… As far as regulations, there are many professions that require more licenses than Life Coaches… this needs to change now.

[@jinnygunnar]

He maybe didn't know, but the fact is he should have known. Not criminal, but what kind of human doesn't pay attention to their children.

[@BetterByTheDay24]

If an individual party or group (ie: connections) are offering services with out academic credentials, that should be noted immediately after each name ie: Ruby Franke, Mormon, mother of 6, no formal certifications or a accreditations. Just as Jodi could have put Jodi Hiledabrant (sp?) LSW, B.A, Master, PhD (or whatever her credentials, thank God, WERE) - seem simple enough and your right, people have the right to chose for themselves but anything less than 100% WRITTEN AND SPOKE TRANSPARENCY, should have NEVER been acceptable or legal. I hope they succeed in solidifying this into law with serious fine if caught for failure to disclose even IF no complaints are on record via word of mouth or legal action. Too simplistic?

[@persia888]

I suspect it’s a strategic move to get custody of the kids

[@pennyc11]

We cannot ignore Ruby's acceptance and implementation of her advice. Think about what you read. You weigh it based on experience and talking to people. A co-worker suggested I add alcohol to bottle to put kids to sleep. 😮yikes! I told not her not creating little alcoholics. There is personal responsibility.🤨

[@WolfRoss]

Maybe have a testing process to see if they meet some basic criteria. Kevin is just trying to distance himself from the situation for child neglect.

[@persia888]

Jodi was highly recommended by her church elders. They recieved loads of complaints about her but kept sending people to her.