Real Lawyer Reacts: Johnny Depp's Lawyer, Ben Chew Goes Off on 8 Passengers - Ruby Franke

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[@duneflower8279]

Someone commented on one of these lawtubes: If you're guilty, get a lawyer. If you're innocent GET A LAWYER.

[@susanbrooks9317]

I absolutely agree.

[@limiwa]

Yep

[@colleenhanna5383]

FACTS 😊

[@SharpLife4]

Yup. I have beeen lied to by police. I won’t admit innocence or guilt even for mild things without a lawyer.

[@karawilhouski6445]

No shit. Precisely what Ruby & Jodi both did too.

[@tk20channel]

Every parent that ever worked for or was ever a client of Jodi's should at least be questioned. There may be other kids still suffering from her evil teachings.

[@addatewcents715]

@tk20channel you are so right! I also would love to know how many divorces she’s behind &/or alienation of the father in the family.

[@oliveheatley1919]

She exploited those kids for monetary gain its disgusting

[@mariee.5912]

And abused them. Emotionally and physically

[@danielldukro4128]

Don't forget Kevin was right beside her.

[@Nasdaqbaby]

Duggars are equally disgusting 🤮

[@axemangang1584]

Her sisters do The samè and should be looked at carefully.

[@Maggs-2248]

@@danielldukro4128it was reported Kevin wanted to reconcile with Ruby. Hard to believe he never checked out her videos.

[@pateicialane4740]

How dare she accuse child what evil she is save her own skin 😂 not a chance she’s sick

[@shelldeluca]

My husband is a cop & preaches to our family to never ever speak to police without a lawyer. Period.

[@Doglover04407]

Not only taking away their food. But to the point they had to be hospitalized . Serious stuff . This shows it wasn’t just one meal to suffer that much weight loss

[@Sulynn707]

Very telling

[@mikusheadphones]

Always get a lawyer, no matter innocent or guilt. Always get a lawyer

[@victoriagrove5344]

I was concerned that Ruby had no questions about her kids’ well being. That is definitely suspect. Accusing her son of s. abuse was awful! If anything, it showed her lack of motherly love and sick preference for her own (ass) situation. She looks terribly guilty by these choices. Also, these kids looked so terrified on the clips I have seen, that it is hard to believe sexual perversion was on their minds. I think they were trying to avoid being hurt at any moment in their lives. This woman is sick, unfit to mother a ferret, let alone a child.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Well said!

[@BamaCyn]

Totally agree. Hope she gets thrown in a hole and never see light of day.

[@bowtoyoursensei554]

Seriously hard to believe that a kid who was so scrupulously supervised as Russell was would have ever even SEEN pron at the age of three, let alone got "addicted" to it. And if he DID get a hold of pron...what does that say about Ruby and her husband?

[@gacktist00]

they didn't let their older kids have smart phone... how the 3year old boy watch corn and even addidted? only way is his parents show them!!! that is child abuse too!! she sounds so stupid and evil

[@MummyBrown]

I agree. I feel like it should be noted that basic curiosity is seen as a "sin" with religious zealots, regardless of religion. Things like asking questions about life and how the body works in general can sometimes be met with shame. That seems to be how many hang ups and deviants are created; what should be discussed in a healthy manner ends up being hidden and blown up to unhealthy proportions. I get the impression that the men that went to Jodi's counseling might've been having regular marital issues, possibly sexual, that she used to break up these families. Something in the way that it is spoken about sounds like "issues with the men." In both the Frenke case and that one gentleman that recently spoke out about Jodi, when they speak of the division of the family they say something along the lines of they "didn't want his problems to bring down the rest of the family." That sounds like straight up sex shame played up by both Ruby and Jodi.

[@krystalbrooks3418]

Something to consider…..while many of us involved in the true crime community know you ALWAYS ask for a lawyer before speaking to police there are many others that don’t know this. If a majority of people see this practice as suspicious then we have to acknowledge that. It’s a real factor in the public opinion of many and that makes it a relative consideration. This is why education is so important and why we need channels like this.

[@bekindrewind9675]

Good point

[@bobbijobrown566]

I hope that reunification is never a goal in this case. Who does this to their children?

[@jeannineharrelson1201]

Sickos with seriously warped, bent, brains.

[@godzillamanstreb524]

She’ll be in prison

[@ashleypg1708]

​@@godzillamanstreb524let's hope

[@nadineevans5195]

I guess a person needs to know a bit about the religion they belong to, in order to understand the 'why' of this. They believe that their marriage is eternal and so to leave it interrupts a fundamental tenant of the religion. They actually go through a special ceremony in their temples when they get married to reinforce this belief system. The dad will therefore say that reunification will always be the goal, and may even stay silent if Jodi's brain washing has made him believe that by doing so, he'd regain the marriage. It's truly sick and twisted on Jodi's part, because she not only works outwardly to destroy the relationship, but then turns around and promises that if the men do as she asks, there will be a chance to get the relationship back. The 'carrot and stick ' set up, and vulnerable people have been stuck in the hamster wheel of deceit and manipulation. These are my opinions of course.

[@ah5721]

he was complicit in doing this to his kids before Jodi according to most public perception.@@Fritzi2253

[@msvg3]

I agree with Peter about preserving rights before speaking to police, regardless of guilt or innocence.

[@pateicialane4740]

So your all abusers what religion that ? Let me guess Asian ?!

[@1strights]

Absolutely.

[@pateicialane4740]

He’s creepy to me you of colour go for him he likes Mormons and abuse creeps me out watch his words this then that ha! I don’t trust this man he’s stupid

[@aSinisterKiid]

You are absolutely right about your right to remain silent. People always try to explain things away and it comes back to bite them in the ass. It happened to me and I regret it. I always tell people, "You will never talk yourself out of trouble, but you will absolutely talk yourself into it."

[@reneemitchell4281]

I wanna know what happened now...

[@jsthecat]

Children are not born bad, it's the nurture that fails them. This case is prime example of this. I don't believe anything she says about her children. Her warped parenting ideas will guarantee a life time of healing and therapy for these children.

[@ninasage7735]

She’s not a Christian she a Mormon.

[@pnwlady]

Statistically a percentage of the population is born “bad” with antisocial personality disorder or psychopathy. But besides that, yeah, we’re born decent. And role models muck us up.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Yes with her forever out of their lives.

[@steph5808]

I agree but that is a larger issue within high demand Christianity. The belief is we are born bad or sinners. Which is why there’s a lot of abuse that is unreported within those groups.

[@natejohn3398]

Humans are the most dangerous animals on the planet to act like children are born good is just stupid. 🤡🤣🤣 your child would do heinous things to you the first to you when you told them no if they were capable.

[@josabo7078]

Those two are sick! What a couple of dreadful human beings! Hopefully they will have years to think about their actions!😢

[@JustAnnieK]

​Child abuse cases are so much more complicated to prosecute when an insular religious group is involved/adjacent as they tend to circle the wagons...

[@lizlarsen1653]

I am LDS and follow several LDS websites and forums, and we have not seen a single word from any church leader about this case. They are hiding in their bunkers, behind their $100 Billion.

[@camillarich]

Making them complicit enablers to the abuse.

[@dr.edwardmoskowitz4328]

Very well spoken

[@therealdeal3672]

Doesn't look like anybody's sticking up for Ruby Franke so much or Jodi Hildebrandt. Her viewers were reporting Ruby for child abuse before this stuff even came out. And the religious groups don't actually want to be completely affiliated with such horrible child abuse. So actually I personally don't see any wagons circling other than lawyers. 🤔

[@lorigreen4134]

Don’t think for on second that the “insular religious group” you are implying is involved has any tolerance for abuse in any form.

[@bobbicatt]

Looking forward as always hearing from Mr Chew ❤

[@Trendyviews.]

Mr Chew is a well respected atty who knows what he's talking about!

[@taramata6172]

Asking for a lawyer may be the smartest thing Ruby has done in her life. It does not mean she is innocent or guilty. I hope she goes to prison, but asking for a lawyer was smart and her legal right.

[@kellijanssen1171]

What Ruby claimed about her child is exactly Jodi’s MO. You need to review Adam Steed’s interviews. His life was ruined by Jodi and many more men have now come forward with the exact same stories.

[@andreacapaldi4300]

Adam is and will always be effected by the abuse he suffered. From the church, Boy Scout of America, Jodi, his wife and BYU. He obviously came a long was since her remarried and has a child or children now but he is to mentally messed up. Yes he won in court but who ever really wins in a situation like that but I believe Jodi had her license taken away but somehow got it back. These horrendous things that happened to these people happened way before this came to light and I am hoping it could be used against Jodi.

[@CathiVW]

Watching Adam Paul Steed’s interview explained so much how Hildebrand operates & how he became one of her victims.

[@jodibraun6383]

And Jodi's nibling, Jessie, who experienced hauntingly similar abuse at the hands of Jodi. Adam Paul Steed's interview is very telling of Kevin's situation, but Jessie's experience is more telling of what these two little kids were probably subjected to. With regards to the s*xual a*use allegations made by Ruby, I think it's important to realize that, as per Jessie's telling, they were essentially tortured until they "confessed", with Jodi telling them it would stop if they just confessed. Jessie said they resorted to making things up to confess to, with the hopes that Jodi would stop abusing them. Those allegations against RF are absolutely false, the product of a pair of extremely sick minds inflicting tortured "confessions".

[@pnwlady]

A mother being more concerned with protecting herself than her abused children is significant and shows her character. You can do something “smart” (like Brian Laundries family) and still look like horrible, guilty people for doing it. It indicates priority and character.

[@MayaGTK]

Thanks as always, Peter! I wish the Constitution, due process, & fundamental rights were taught in schools this fiercely…we’d likely have a fairer & less presumptive society

[@crashde5995]

Great thought! 🤔

[@jenna2431]

High school graduation requirement of one Full Year of citizenship to include Federal, state laws, rights, and responsibilities. In my state they get like 9 weeks which is a joke. But hey, gotta make sure they know trig!! So impractical.

[@slilli8329]

These poor children - this is so heartbreaking. That poor boy! Love Ben and his comments on this case.

[@michelephelps1087]

Her accusations against her son seems so bizarre and unbelievable to me. Didn’t she say he was viewing pornography at age 3? What 3 year old would even know what he’s looking at or choose porn over something like paw patrol? How would a toddler get access? Too unbelievable. What is her actual definition of s******a****** that she is accusing him of, and how does she know he did that to multiple kids? Was it an assumptions or factual knowledge?

[@billyyank5807]

She was probably involved herself.

[@michelephelps1087]

@@billyyank5807 I can’t help but wonder if some innocent toddler action was labeled as something sinister and snowballed from there. ☹️

[@aheineman9138]

It’s absurd. I selected what my son watched when he was 3. Parents are 100% responsible for what their children view.

[@shelldeluca]

And IF he ever watched porn at 3 yrs old - that's HER fault for putting porn on fir him. A 3 yr doesn't choose porn! Smh....

[@Sulynn707]

Three year Olds Don't ingage in porn! She's whacked

[@laurieconklin9765]

Those children are so emotionally and physically harmed. You could tell by the child who escaped telling the neighbor it was his own fault

[@ninasage7735]

I still think Ruby and Jodi looked closer than just friends

[@CabinFever52]

Jodi Hildebrandt's niece, as well as others, has disclosed similar treatment and comments about Jodi's attitude about everyone being a sex addict, etc., I think that is what that claim by Ruby against her son comes up from. I believe the child victims in this family---not the abuser.

[@midlight9758]

I was about to write the same, saw the same interview. The niece said they accused her of all kinds of sexual deviant behavior, she said she’d never even seen porn in her life at that time, didn’t even know how to pleasure herself, had never had sex, etc. They even accused her of having had abortions and watching porn from age 3. I don’t believe a word Ruby says….piece of shit human

[@Girl-Mom221]

I have an open mind on most cases, as a Mom, it is completely disgusting when mothers let or aid in these terrible things to happen to THEIR kids. I hope those kids get counseling and go on to have much happier lives!

[@lronbutters5688]

If there’s one thing I have learned from KZbin it’s to always get a lawyer.

[@user-to8hi7tq6g]

Thank you for bringing feedback from Ben Chew. He is just like you! Only facts!

[@mjgbabydragonlet]

The Mormon Stories Podcast has an episode with Adam Paul Steed (1808). His story is horrific. Mormon Stories are long form content. I think it was almost 6 hours long. But it is not all about Hildebrandt. This young man has other trauma relating to the Mormon Church. Steed is the patient who got Hildebrandt's license suspended. Steed is also the teenager who went up against the Mormon Church and Boy Scouts of America after reporting sexual abuse. He is a good human, but the trauma he has survived has left emotional scars. On the plus side, Steed has all of his documentation. The LDS church played a huge role in giving Hildebrandt's name out as an "approved" mental health provider.

[@sydludwig1826]

I can’t believe Ben being a lawyer would say it was suspect that she got a lawyer. Crazy talk.

[@obsessedwiththetruth7016]

He didn’t! At all! He said legally is was very smart. However, to flee and get a lawyer and not even try and ask if her children were ok was suspect as a mother. Most people would want to know if their child was ok, not flee the situation and worry about ringing the father who hasn’t seen the kids for 13 months to deal with the kids because she was fleeing police. Is suspect!

[@sydludwig1826]

Go back and listen again. He said it was suspect that she didn’t talk to police. It doesn’t matter about whether she should want to clear her name. It’s not wise to talk. I agree with Peter’s assessment of Ben’s statement.

[@obsessedwiththetruth7016]

@@sydludwig1826 yup took your advice incase I missed something. I’m not too proud to see if I’m wrong. Ben’s response was perfect he said legally it was smart. However he was saying yes he could see how it looks suspect not asking about her kids- he was responding to Jesse’s comments about a parent wanting to know if their child was ok. Context is important. I took your advice and watched it again, I still stand by my opinion and I believe Ben would state exactly what I have just said. He literally opened with it is smart legally. But added as a parent would want to see if their child was ok. Just as the question was multifaceted… so was the response. This is why the objection “compound” is perfect in court. It would have separated the two questions. I stand with Ben! His response was the perfect compromise between legalese and common sense/human nature. #benchew is a god! If there is one person I hold in higher regard when it comes to the law than LYK- it is Ben Chew. And I didn’t know who he was nor have I ever seen a Johnny Depp movie or knew anything about JD before that trial- my opinion is based purely and simply on what I have witnessed him do professionally both during and since the JD trial. Again, context is important. And he said first legally it is smart.

[@sydludwig1826]

Chew definitely said it’s both. It’s legally smart “but also suspect.” I think you’re interpreting it as Chew saying he can see it’s suspect, due to the question, when that’s not what he said. It was clearly Chew’s own opinion. I suppose we’ll have to disagree. I stand by Peter’s assessment of what Chew said. It wasn’t very lawyerly what Chew said, in my opinion.

[@obsessedwiththetruth7016]

@@sydludwig1826I agree, we can agree to disagree :-)

[@Doglover04407]

This is what I love and learn from your stream,, innocent or guilty always ask for a lawyer. I’m 70 and only one speeding ticket in a school zone 7 miles over so think I’m pretty safe to say I’ll never need a lawyer. But I’m still learning so much about law and the Justice system here

[@Marndarrr]

Every lawyer I’ve ever watched has said if you’re arrested, “do not talk to the police” regardless of guilt. Cops generally assume guilt and hope to get you to say anything close to incriminating.

[@BS-tz9iy]

I'm the one who sent you one of the other interviews. It's quite long but would be good to highlight parts of how it focuses on Jodi and how she was the one pulling the puppet strings destroying these families. Ruby is just at the forefront because of her YT popularity. But it's identical what has happened to the other family.

[@nirvanafairie]

This case is insane

[@KRey112]

If the father hasn’t seen his kids in a year that also says something about him. I truly hope his phone and social media have been obtained by the police.

[@brendasmart553]

DOn't be so quick to ASS U ME here. I worked years at a lawfirm, you would not believe how many women will not allow their husbands to see the kids when in seperation or divorce stages. Sadly, some of the men are afraid of wives potential threats & claims and just want peace. It also happens in reverse, powerful husband to the wife...

[@brendasmart553]

PLUS: there is fact of third party supposed counsellor enforcing them to seperate with dysfunctional guidance here at play.

[@brendasmart553]

And their church, backs this woman & her tecniques!!!! That's huge factor to his not seeing them!!!

[@KRey112]

Did you miss the word “if”?

[@brendasmart553]

@@KRey112 If or not, the statement still assumes/paints him to be bad for not seeing his kids. There are extinuating circumstances...

[@mariee.5912]

I am innocent of everything, I still need a lawyer. I agree with Peter. Now I disagree with Frankie being braiwashed and dominated. She was responsible for her children.

[@mikusheadphones]

Yes and also Ruby was literally publishing her abuse of her children for years before she met Jodi. I don't understand why Peter is pushing for Ruby and Jodi's innocent so hard and refusing to learn the case when everyone has sent TONS of LEGAL proof

[@aheineman9138]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@mikusheadphonesPeter isn’t “pushing” for innocence. He’s advocating for their Constitutional Rights to be protected-presumption of innocence. “Tons of legal proof” means nothing until it’s in front of a jury. The jury will decide guilty or not guilty. This is a LawTube channel, not true crime.

[@Andrew_Young]

I completely agree with your commentary! Allowing a search/speaking to police says more about someone's education about the legal system than it does about their guilt or innocence. Guilty people have allowed police to search their vehicles just because they thought being cooperative would favor them and innocent people have not cooperated to protect their privacy etc. And of course there have been innocent people who have hurt their legal interests by speaking. Just off the top of my head, the guy who was suckered into housing Sherri Papini when she hoaxed her own kidnapping could have really dug himself a hole when he spoke to the police. They could have used a lot of what he said against him even though we now know he is 100% innocent of kidnapping her.

[@pattied1007]

I agree with you about getting a lawyer. Smartest thing to do.

[@ponderrosie4975]

Children are so fragile. They are developing. Like a fragile flower you have to nourish and protect it while it grows. Mothers and Dads are supposed to protect their children. Starving them will hurt them in so many different ways- physical growth, mental stability, even the ability to walk, talk and sleep are affected by nutrition. Causing harm to a little one is exponentially heinous. They are our future. How well we care for them will determine what our society will be.

[@jinafromwv6391]

Kevin’s oldest daughter, Shari[?] who goes to BYU said on a podcast that her dad had blocked her phone calls and she gravitated to her aunts [Ruby’s sisters] 😬and a friends’ family to fill the gap of her estranged family.

[@Theressomethingwrongwiththem]

Lawyer up. ALWAYS. ESPECIALLY if you're innocent. It appears Been Chew isn't all that astute re: criminal defense. Bruce Rivers says it best: Stop self snitching. And the minute you say, "It's Tuesday. " some cop is going to say, "That's a lie." " It's Wednesday in Europe." 😖

[@GymMomof3]

Exactly! 👌

[@sngray11]

I had already seen this interview, but I always appreciate your insight and expertise on these cases. Thank you Peter for all of the incredible work that you do on your KZbin channel. 💞

[@Sassyhound]

Never heard of 8 passengers until this case

[@dinamolinaro8829]

I agree do not ever talk without a lawyer

[@nadinekeating3255]

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth to hear an attorney say (publicly) that a person's refusal to speak to police and got an attorney is suspicious. Imo, an attorney should be the *last* person to think that way, and more so to say it.

[@kellywaller8829]

No child is bad enough to deserve this treatment.

[@elf1845]

She should never have said anything about her child in that forum.

[@mikusheadphones]

Ruby should have never been allowed to be a parent in general. Her abuse is WELL DOCUMENTED

[@christiewright1457]

Perhaps you’re confused. The hearing was a custody/placement hearing for the minor children. So it was the proper forum, absolutely sickening what she said, but still the correct place to do so

[@elf1845]

@@christiewright1457 thanks for the information. I wasn't aware of that.

[@Hawkeyes100]

Right. Totally agree. Why would you sue everyone who says bad things about you.

[@bugsea54]

I just love these podcasts! Everyone is watching these cases making sure laws are enforced and justice happens. Nothing is shoved under the rug anymore!

[@CherylVrabel]

I think at the beginning of the interview Ben Chew was following the interviewer's narrative. The interviewer seemed to have strong opinions. Later, Ben seemed to be more comfortable giving his own opinions.

[@bugsea54]

I hope ruby gets the longest sentence available for her crimes. Justice for the kids!

[@trudybrandt9472]

I don’t think there’s any doubt that Karen Franke is guilty and Kevin is guilty of negligence 😢 the fact that he hadn’t seen his children in 12 months is despicable 😡🙏🙏🙏

[@trudybrandt9472]

I meant Ruby Franke😊

[@deborahsemaan1341]

“Karen” would be a good name for this narcissist.

[@karenjones8713]

​@@deborahsemaan1341Excuse me?!

[@foxibot]

@@karenjones8713lol

[@billyyank5807]

The fact you don't understand how this woman manipulated him to stay away is despicable. Keep protecting her and defending her. He hasn't been charged and he probably won't be,for a reason.

[@Parousia001]

Something I haven’t seen mentioned: Ruby said that the son she was making accusations against was watching p*rn at the age of 3, already. If that were true, its an indictment against _her_ , not against her child! How did he come to have access to it? It certainly wouldn’t have been a turn on at that age; it would likely have been confusing, if anything, and a decent parent who discovered their child was exposed to p* would have done everything in their power to ensure that their child wasn’t in a position to be exposed to it again. She seemed to be suggesting that he went looking for it, and it reflected some deep-seated evil within him!

[@aheineman9138]

Her whole accusation is suspect but this part is absurd. (I guffawed when I first heard.) If she allowed him to be exposed to porn, it’s also tragic.

[@jborrego2406]

Sad high percent of kids see porn cause ppl let there kids on there phone, give there baby there own phone an tablet

[@lauriewarner4848]

For the love of popcorn, three year old watching porn and acting out SA… 😳🫣🤯🤯🤯🤨 what could that even include? I find it suspicious when this woman was contorted on what her kids participated in. How in the universe did a three year old get access to porn… I am surprised these kids we’re aloud to even watch cartoons….where did this 3 year old find this porn? He didn’t play with other kids, go to school, WTH!

[@cheriekeenum2158]

When watching the clip of her saying No lunch for a 6 year old that didn’t get up, get dressed, make her lunch and get out to school on time and her punishment would be “not to eat” and then the 6 yr old would get truth and love for Christmas because they were being bad but the other kids would still have Christmas just not them her and her younger brother that’s immediately a sign this woman has bad issues!! 😵‍💫

[@ah5721]

kids as young as 8 now have seen porn on accident. hell I accidentally saw a penis pic out of pages of women haircuts . I don't know how it happened because there was no women haircuts in the photo tile and I've never looked up that kind of content before it was really weird and strange. @@jborrego2406

[@KyaniMosaic_Crone]

My BIL is a lawyer married to a DA near D.C. & a few years ago they sent all the kids in the family a viral video of a Virginia law professor friend of theirs. He gave the top reasons for NEVER speaking to the police. And at the end of his lecture, he turned the podium over to a Virginia State Trooper who actually agreed with all 8 reasons the professor gave. Especially, the point of "A cop will ALWAYS testify against you, they can't testify for you" & "It's legal for police to lie to you" * @Peter, It's titled "Never ever, ever, speak to police" ( Regent University channel here on KZbin) Knowing your take on the subject it would be fun to do live stream viewing of it where you & your father go over it with us & explain any differences of professional opinion.

[@dianeb.4782]

Oh I really like this suggestion. My intellect & life experience says NEVER talk to the cops BUT emotionally I would want to "clear the air" so to speak.

[@aheineman9138]

@@dianeb.4782So true! I’m…umm…a bit talkative and verbally impulsive thanks to ADHD. It would be so hard to keep my mouth shut.🤐 My only chance is that they would get annoyed and tune me out.😂

[@purpledragonfly313]

With all the other victims talking about how any victim of Jodi would be accused of being sexually abusive +++ (always the same it seems), it certainly follows the rulebook Jodi made years ago.

[@SussexSandra]

Watching from UK in Brighton too. 🇬🇧

[@user-ft4bz8xz6c]

Peter. You are a Real Lawyer ❤

[@daisymayphoto]

The following is for the Franke children as well. Millions watched them grow up online. People are not only concerned but want revenge.

[@hannahbelle9615]

ARREST AFFIDAVIT - Page 6, paragraph 5, “Sgt. Husjulien spoke to (redacted) on May 11, 2020 and (redacted) admitted that her parents argued a lot and that she feared they would separate or divorce. She said they “were not doing well” and that it was for the best that they separate. (Redacted) reported that they (Barry & Suzanne) were both in “an unsafe place” emotionally.” Complete opposite from what she claimed in interviews on GA (I believe it was GA).

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Who's Barry and Suzanne?

[@lauriewarner4848]

What a great thought “ , it’s one thing to take away dessert, but another story to take away nourishment” …Right On!

[@bobbijobrown566]

Where there is smoke there is fire.

[@mrsr003]

I do hate that every time someone gets a lawyer, everyone thinks they are guilty of what they were accused of!

[@NurseJanice]

Watching from UK!

[@Ashforddrvr]

Everyone needs to remember she is saying this as a mormon. Porn could mean tiktok. They don't look at things the same way the rest of the world does.

[@loveboxers7554]

Seriously TikTok? That’s wild. Don’t know much about LDS.

[@lizlarsen1653]

Correct. The 2nd highest leader in the LDS Church (Dallin Oaks) told teen girls that immodest clothing (short skirts, bare shoulders, some midriff showing) made them “walking poRn” for teen boys.

[@mikusheadphones]

​@loveboxers7554 yes. She also was becoming a part of a fringe mormon cult with Jodi. It's insane but yes, Mormons literally think that m*sterbating one time means you are a s*x addict and addicted to corn

[@kellyegan9824]

They didn’t have access to anything. She controlled everything

[@KristineFriling]

I live in a highly LDS area (southern Idaho) and this is accurate. What she may classify as porn and abuse could be something that others find innocent.

[@aimeeyork6319]

"...but to try to clear your name with law enforcement when you're being arrested..." Well said👋

[@forrestfey]

This mother remindes me of the crazy bakery lady from Gordon Ramsays kitschens nightmare. (Amy’s baking company)

[@EUZ890]

How will they ever get a fair trial at this point ? The news of this is everywhere!

[@jule3480]

The same could be said of any case that becomes infamous

[@Suekopinski]

It was the child custody hearing she made those accusations about her son. She is a liar.

[@SweetBabboo13]

Does anyone else think that Ruby and Jodi were much "closer" than just a work relationship? I'm only speculating 🤔... BUT there is a video where Ruby is speaking and Jodi puts her hand on Ruby's knee. The way she was touching and "massaging" her looked more "intimate" than just being close friends. I don't touch my friends like that, even when I console them. Maybe that is why she constantly tried to "eliminate" the husbands from the relationship. Also, Ruby made a comment that she was just sooooo happy that Jodi was with her in jail. This woman basically got u arrested bc of the "treatment" she was using on ur kids, and your HAPPY that u and her are jail "buddies"?!?! If proven guilt by a jury of their peers, then they deserve each other. They can live happily ever after in PRISON for the rest of their lives. All I got to say is that in any prison, child abuse is something that if convicted will make others appalled and furious. They will have to watch their backs, bc many of them will try "in their own ways" to get justice for the kids.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Yep Jodi was definitely the mastermind, but Ruby went along hook line and sinker.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Oh and they sat way too close together for it not to be something else.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

@@RhondaPendleton Jodi was probably putting the transference from the absent spouse onto herself.

[@chichi775]

Oh for sure!!!! Hildebrandt was a big ole lesbian and Ruby was there for it

[@ah5721]

Jessi the niece says she thinks Jodi is a closet Lez and she justifies it as a"close friendship that's super special " . sounds icky just like when abusers prey on vulnerable people in a position of power

[@Doglover04407]

I’m glad you’re staying on top of this case

[@annemarieallaire6564]

Abuse of your children....deserves the full scope of the law! No excuse!

[@andrewgillis8572]

superb work Peter - and so bad at time of OJ coverage in MSM

[@donnaloshe1607]

you're the best, peter! what kind of pain must these women be in, to be able to do and say these things, and feel justified? evereyone loses!

[@cathyosborn9905]

what kind of pain? I don't think they feel pain at all. They're just evil

[@donnaloshe1607]

@@cathyosborn9905 i don't believe in evil. all behavior, good and poor, is a response to what's going on inside . . .

[@cathyosborn9905]

@@donnaloshe1607 I understand that. But I won’t excuse horrific behavior because of that. I do think there are some people who just have an evil “gene”. Just my opinion.

[@donnaloshe1607]

@@cathyosborn9905 i never said it should be excused. i just said there's a reason, and there's call for compassion on both sides.

[@donnaloshe1607]

if someone suffers from anxiety, diabetes, depression, we don't twist up our faces and say "GAWD, they're sick." we feel compassion for how hard it must be to live in that body. when someone does something we don't like, that we think is cruel and can't understand, we say 'GAWD, they're SICK" like it's somehow different... like they're disgusting, and we're so much better than they are. its not right. think about it... what kind of spiritual or emotional agony would you have to be in, to do those kinds of things?

[@mimimonster]

Interestingly, the police were supposed to hand over information from Jessi Hildebrandt’s abuse allegations to DCSF and they failed to do so!! Also, Jodi has manipulated the hell out of the legal system for and on behalf of her clients for decades. She is the puppet master for Ruby. Whatever Ruby has said or done or not done in regards to counsel is 100% on the advice of Jodi.

[@patriciacourtier-rouse1173]

Yes! You have it nailed it.

[@jborrego2406]

Only works rich an blond woman

[@lauriewarner4848]

Mollyanthony99, I believe both parents are 100% responsible, but yes When you look at the body language of when the two women are together it is pretty obvious who is the leader and in charge. It is the first time in the history of mathematics that there is 300% … they are all responsible.

[@Mrs.Bigapple]

Sooo excited for this 😊

[@christineniering1233]

Thank you Peter for this video🙏 We love Ben Chew! Glad he turned it around re trusting the judicial system! 😊

[@michellejarrett1826]

She doesn't deserve to be treated like anyone else as most other abusers haven't made millions off the back of their kids, so her punishment should be more severe

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Excellent point!

[@elizabeth84266]

Most “abusers” would absolutely take the money and validation for their actions if the option were out in front of them…

[@lorae7]

We hear all the time! How authorities were called and NOTHING was done!!

[@Sunsetharp706]

Love your channel. Thanks.

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

Jodi's niece Jessi Hildebrandt (they/them pronouns) has a horrific story of being under Jodi's "care" for a year. Her parents gave her over to Jodi because Jessi was being a normal, angsty teenager. She finally had to run away from Jodi to escape the abuse. She wound up in a homeless shelter. Her story has familiar elements: being duct-taped, isolated, imprisoned and accused of s3xu@l misbehavior. She first spoke to the Mormon Stories channel (which is a long interview) and then spoke to the wider media. She would make an excellent witness against Jodi!

[@brandonwilliams4050]

I watched that interview and I feel like horrific doesn't even do it justice. What disturbed me almost more than the abuse that poor child had to go through was the sheer number of people who were actively involved or just complacent in letting it happen. The minions Jodi had involved in ensuring Jessi was as miserable and isolated as possible, and the police who casually handed them back into Jodi's "care" even after they begged to be saved from that monster. And worst of all, Jessi's parents who signed off not just on the original placement with Jodi but heard what the police said and let them be sent back anyway. It was just an endless nightmare and that person is incredibly strong to be functional as a human being at all after enduring that. I agree with what Jessi said about the current situation---they were a teenager throughout that ordeal and Jodi still nearly broke them and in some ways succeed. A small child like Ruby's son would have no defenses against her. No wonder he said it's his fault that he was tied up and tortured. And yet there are disgusting "people" who have locked onto that sentence from an abused and child as proof he did the things Ruby accused him of 🤬. Absolutely unreal.

[@mad7fisher]

Jodi is a very sick person. I think she's going to be the one to turn on Ruby though because in the end these are Ruby's kids, & Jodi is that type of person. She's a dangerous narcissist. They blame everyone else. They can never be at fault. Prosecution will get one of them to turn so that they can be sure to indict the other. But publicly they're both finished, and who knows if Ruby will ever be allowed to be alone with those children ever.

[@vickimaccallum]

Heads up - you mentioned J’s preferred pronouns but then didn’t use them. I know from the podcast that they don’t mind as long as you take the step to correct yourself 🙂

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

@@vickimaccallum Thanks for letting me know that I reverted to "she/her". I didn't mean to do that. It can get a little confusing because there is no gender neutral noun for "niece/nephew" - "nibbling" perhaps?

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

@@brandonwilliams4050 Thanks for pointing out how many people were complicit in Jessi's abuse. Some may take exception to this, but Mormon culture is what allowed Jessi's abuse to occur. They have little tolerance for teenagers that question things and want to participate in activities that are actually normal for teens. Also, everyone - especially clergy - is into everyone else's business. I heard that kids as young as twelve have to meet with their bishop (all by themselves!) and confess their "sins". The bishop actually questions them about sexual behavior! It's disgusting!

[@relaxingwhitenoisenatureso1111]

I cannot wait for this trial.

[@jcwittig]

Thank you very much for addressing the comment about she should not have stayed silent. It is the Cardinal rule for every anyone who's ever been in trouble or questioned by the police that even if you're innocent you can still end up in a heap of trouble so it's best to you to shut and talk through your lawyer.

[@oliveheatley1919]

Kevin franke knows more than hes saying

[@forrestfey]

He was there for the abuse that happened before Hildebrand.

[@eliseintheattic9697]

100% agree with you, don't talk to cops, get an attorney! I hate to say it, but I wouldn't even talk to them as a witness. Sorry, but they just have to do their job without me. I don't trust them. The thing is, Franke got an attorney, but then she made those horrible accusations against her kids, which was basically an admission that she was restraining them. She got the "get an attorney" part right, but not the "keep your mouth shut" part. Oh and as far as Jodi blaming Ruby because they are her kids. Jodi is a licensed therapist (was) so that makes her a mandatory reporter. I don't know what penalties apply beyond losing a license though. Also, she would have a hard time with that defense given what she teaches, and what she did to her niece. I don't think there's a path out of this for Jodi. She's as screwed as Suitcase Sarah, and that's just fine with me.

[@lauriewarner4848]

I ❤️ you and your comment on lawyering up! Shut your mouth and Lawyer Up. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@shelldeluca]

On rewatch - I never heard of Ruby til this case & this outrages me as it should most!

[@marymichael8556]

There is no possible excuse in Heaven or even in Hell for Ruby’s abuse of her children. As far as Jodi orchestrating everything, Ruby seems to take great joy in inflicting the punishments she meted out and discussing her atrocious acts toward her own children. I am not cutting any slack to either one of these demonic women.

[@mikusheadphones]

Yeah Jodi is well documented as an abusive and protected person because she is bankrolled by the church that runs Utah's government. Mix that with Ruby who was abusive before meeting Jodi, then they scheme together and get worse and worse.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Me either, there's no excuse for withholding food, withholding a bed, and using duct tape. All those children can be heard repeatedly saying they had no friends. How did this go on for YEARS, with so many people watching?? I hope they throw the book at both of them!!

[@bowtoyoursensei554]

@@ARolls-dd2zd The food and bed deprivation pre-date Jodi by years. Ruby is sadistic.

[@ashleypg1708]

Exactly. And I'm getting really sick of hearing all these people on Tik Tok/YT etc. constantly saying, "Jodi is the mastermind", "Jodi came in and manipulated these parents..." blah blah blah. So everyone starts to think and even accept that Jodi brainwashed Ruby into abusing her kids. NO. Everyone needs to watch old videos of 8 Passengers & see how, before Jodi ever came into their lives, Ruby AND Kevin abused & neglected their children. The psychological torture (bc to me, that's what it is) is so evident in those videos, some of it is too awful for me to sit through. Ruby AND Kevin are abusers too. Period. Jodi saw two parents who enjoyed being awful to their kids and capitalized on it...

[@jasminejustice1776]

@@bowtoyoursensei554how do you know that? I believe Jodi was already involved in counseling the family at that point. I believe the family was already working with Jodi before they moved into their new home.

[@loveboxers7554]

peter, do breakdown everything u can about this case I’m ver interested in your analysis of this case.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

NO SELF SNITCHING

[@joannekokkinidis4614]

I agree with you. Even if I was innocent I wouldn't say a word without a lawyer...never ever! Bad idea!

[@billyyank5807]

18:44 what's just as bad is when people say "that person is guilty they should just confess".....thats just as bad.

[@stewarer]

(17:10) It is absolutely the right thing to do to lawyer up and not participate in a police questionning/interrogation. Lots of people fall into the trap that if they believe they are innocent then they should cooperate because it helps their claim of innocence. Those who teach interrogation and resisting interrogation techniques stress that the right to remain silent is the right decision.

[@Dee-ur1hk]

Excellent video!

[@paw-prints839]

Being on the heels of the Vallow/Daybell and the children being called zombies, now this, same church involved causing this interest

[@Bamagirl-uf8xn]

Good afternoon everyone. Waiting in a cool, rainy day in Tennessee.

[@frizzzx86]

i have zero experience in crim law, but i am a lawyer, and surprised by Ben's comments about her exercising her constitutional rights to remain silent and request counsel. completely agree with you Peter.

[@nirvanafairie]

When those ladies finally get where they are going, they will be hungry and confined, Ramen noodles and unidentifiable meat, lack of sun, make the justice fit the crime.

[@ninasage7735]

They looked vitamin deficient in the utube videos

[@peggypasson8794]

She said she doesn't know why she is being held in the mental health ward.......maybe they trying to keep those 2 safe from others

[@nirvanafairie]

The greatest thing a mother can do, if this mother is truly a wacko, is just plead guilty you know you did it, don't victimize the children, be a woman and own your guilt

[@pateicialane4740]

Like that’s going to happen 😂

[@mikusheadphones]

Ruby is awful, she won't do that. She literally refuses food. She would freeze dry all leftover food in the house so no one could eat outside the allowed meal times

[@bethanychatman9531]

Well she abused them so she doesn't care about victimizing her children at all.

[@billyyank5807]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😭 women accepting responsibility for their actions? When pigs fly.

[@elpatron7916]

When does a female take responsibility for ANYTHING 😢😢😂😂

[@Doglover04407]

Yes bring on as many witness and file class action against this dam church, too