LIVE! Read Trial Day 29: Commonwealth Rests - Defense Comes Out Swinging

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[@kdboyle7673]

ADA Lally mumbles through the entire trial and decides to yell at Dr Russell.

[@soozieq]

He was the same with Mr Green as well. A bully when he thinks he can get away with it and he was allowed to.

[@marlbboro8091]

That’s what a cross is. Did you hear AJs snark? It’s allowed

[@briannapinkney4966]

He’s so condescending with his tone. He’s screaming at them but his cadence is weird and choppy. I can barely understand him.

[@briannapinkney4966]

@@marlbboro8091 I think it’s because a lot of us don’t think the CW has earned a platform to be snarky. A woman is on trial for murder and most of us don’t believe any evidence has supported that she did it and now Lally is not just asking direct questions, but is being rude and condescending to highly qualified witnesses.

[@andyschool]

Very bad look for him… many ways. He’s already disliked for his monotonous questions but to then be rude to Lucky, try to infer he’s lying or that being color blind would preclude him from vehicle identification? Disgusting. Lucky’s demeanor was same w both CW & defense.

[@Michelleyoung1717]

Watching Lally trying to be Jackson is hilarious. So he finally raises his voice but attacks innocent witnesses right off the bat, trying to be tough for NO REASON. What a joke. 😂

[@BKLisaP]

He also tried to imitate Little. Didn’t work.

[@thriftwithjoy]

His lack of respect for Dr. Russell actually made me cry.

[@shelley7585]

I noticed his aggressive stomping around the courtroom today.

[@matthewlamothe7359]

He imitated their questioning of lack of injuries to other parts of the body, except that instead of a car he was asking by the dog. It did not fit with a dog at all and it was so pathetic by Lally

[@Florence31]

@@thriftwithjoyI mean … really?

[@lfc63]

Lally is more concerned about proving JM didn't search at 2:27 am than he is about proving KR hit JO with her car.

[@elizabethwilson9686]

Because the fbi is involved and they coming for all them.

[@benitamitchell9980]

Ain't that about some BS?

[@venteuse]

It's been so annoying! There's no PROOF, none, not a scrap of credible evidence that that vehicle struck JO, or that KR was driving it. It's not even plausible circumstantial evidence. Explain how KR is at JOs on his wifi at the same time the CW say she was murdering him across town.

[@Beth-h2r]

He hired not one, but 2, experts on this singular issue. But he couldn’t find a legit reconstructionist? So ridiculous

[@SweetiePieTweety]

Maybe he can discern the evil in her… it’s obvious that woman is vindictive and a bit too calculating with no emotions… and he doesn’t want to be on her next hit list 😬

[@nelenesmithSA]

The snowplow guy was not nervous, he didn't show any signs of stress, nothing in his body language would suggest that he lied. I believe him over any of the Commonwealth's witnesses

[@seandoyle3361]

You are correct, he just wanted to tell the truth.

[@primalcritters]

💯 lucky is a national treasure. He was just as composed on Cross as he was on direct. He was only there to tell the truth.

[@BlackStump172]

This plow guy was brave speaking out .

[@suekandel7625]

Wow... John's brother should be angry. His brother's death was not investigated.

[@Kishy787]

Well, he should direct all that anger towards his friends .. I feel bad that JO won't get any justice

[@jordan7091]

Sad thing is IT WAS, and multiple people know what happened and who did it. The police are involved in the murder and "investigation" which was done to cover it up and frame someone. It was not done to find/present the truth. I fear hai family will have hate for KR, unjustifiably, and the cops will all keep their pensions, move departments and they will get away with it. The FBI doesn't investigate murders so they won't be trying to prove who did it, just the other acts like accessing FBI machine for personal use. Hope I'm wrong

[@maryjaneb.5893]

And Jen hangs out with his family and deflects all the blame in Karen. I hope the family opens their eyes to the truth someday.

[@HoneyWindbutton]

Because the people who did it would have been the ones investigating it

[@JerseygirlAlisa]

Not Karen’s fault

[@MelissaBartoli]

The most believable witness in this entire case was lucky 🍀

[@JerseygirlAlisa]

Why should she show emotions? She’s been in thrown under the bus and is trying to keep herself out of prison

[@LovetheLed]

No matter what her demeanor- somebody would say that it was not appropriate and proved her guilt 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

[@mortalclown3812]

​@@LovetheLed 100%

[@rachaelterantino1213]

Totally agree with you! I think many people forget that this was someone she lovef and was in an intimate relationship with. She never got the chance to properly grieve this loss and the guilt she must feel from their fight the day he died.

[@lisainthelab]

Well she certainly has the right to do whatever she wants. But defense attorneys always tell you not to react to anything so she should probably not react at all. But she makes a lot of smiles and smirks and eye rolls and duck lip type smiles with the arched eyebrows to show she doesn’t like things that are said. Even when it was Mr. O’Keefe’s family up there. So it could come off to the jury that she shows everything (emotion wise) except grief and sadness for Mr. O’Keefe. IMO she should show both or neither, because she comes off as not caring about the death and only about catching witnesses’ mistakes. And she should want to appear sympathetic or at least likeable. To the jury, not the public.

[@lbergs7136]

Why was she calling him a pervert?

[@carleytall8851]

As a cops kid, I always give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt and never rush to judgement on cases they are raked over the coals for…and even I would vote not guilty. What a horrendous case for both law enforcement and the legal system. This is why people hate cops, lawyers, and the judicial system as a whole. What a crock.

[@tamararutland-mills9530]

Mostly we hate how the cops are so crooked and prejudiced.

[@primalcritters]

Agree. I am not anti-police by any measure. I don't like bad police but this case certainly is an embarrassment to all law enforcement and more law enforcement officers need to speak up about this insanity

[@tburke3454]

They never would​@@primalcritters

[@Myeyeofthebeholder]

Remember, when it snows, you can see more at night ... Everything is brighter. It never really looks dark completely.

[@Allegedly..Angela]

Good point!!!!

[@Myeyeofthebeholder]

@@Allegedly..Angela I'm actually surprised hasn't been said at all during the trial.

[@lindylou9792]

Please keep in mind the Ford Edge could have looked light in color to the plow driver because it was snowing, snow could be on the Ford Edge, making it look like it is a light color car coupled with his color blind issue. As far as the time goes, anybody can mess up on time, an hour isn't that big of a deal it wasn't like 5 hours difference. I found him to be a good, credible witness. What always made me wonder was if a plow truck could have hit him. Good reason to keep driving by besides just plowing.

[@netinbra]

Thats 100% true

[@maliamarin5718]

I totally believe the tow truck driver. He is so credible.

[@jovicrazed]

Snow plow.

[@vincedidiana5781]

@maliamarin5718. Wasn’t aware he delivered pizzas for Albert’s shop. Takes some balls to tell the truth. Admire that

[@bella61567]

Lucky is my new hero!

[@kellypujue999]

yup he def was and stood up to the CW no i did not say that i was never at work at 12 or 2

[@bettywillbrowse]

Tow truck driver ?

[@playtagwithasemi]

watching this, isn't it insane that the state went for murder here? they're having a tough time even proving that she hit him with the car, let alone criminal intent.

[@dontmindme633]

Yes! They got greedy. There is no case for murder here.

[@bmorgrl_626]

Seems they reached a point where they really wanted to mess with Karen because she didn't take the plea deal for manslaughter

[@hkr667]

My take is that they wanted to pressure her into a plea deal. When she didn't take it and wanted to fight, they upped the charges to murder hoping it would spook her into taking the plea after all.

[@Unknown.servant]

​@@hkr667I agree with that take

[@NikkiM24]

Exactly. I will never understand what Lally was thinking. Even a vehicular manslaughter because she was drunk he’s had a tough time proving, how did he not know this has to be career suicide for him it’s so so bad and so public.

[@kattnotwilliams]

At this point, I'm team innocent, not just not guilty.

[@sallycinnamon5370]

I agree. I think that there is a good chance this was a dreadful accident that they tried to shore up a theory against Karen based off a broken taillight that they mistaken thought was from Karen hitting John so they made sure there would be enough evidence and planted some of it at the scene. Then they confirmation biased themselves to trial. I really do believe that a cop might plant evidence to secure what they think is a righteous conviction.

[@EmShannon]

Same! Been enjoying all your content on the YSL Trial Katt, look forward to seeing what happens next!

[@Nurturing2]

Me too❣️⚖️

[@jjoyce108]

Me too, Lally thoroughly convinced me she is innocent!

[@loveheals2475]

👍🏼 Factually Innocent.

[@annaandre9131]

Lucky was very likable and an extremely good witness. Clear, concise and believable.

[@LadyDazzleDance]

Still trying to figure out why Brian Higgins wasn't suspect #1 and investigated!!!!!!!! Anyone else?

[@Kjane32]

Brian and /or Collin

[@notbriannaroblox9095]

Because they supposedly left before John and Karen arrived . So it would make it hard to believe they were involved … now I’m not saying that’s true but that’s what is claimed. However anyone at the house that night should have been questioned immediately not months and years later. That’s where they failed. If they had… they would have been covered but now there is reasonable doubt. This case is so confusing lol

[@Rayna-gn3ni]

He should be investigated just for his behavior alone. He actually did have motive, he destroyed evidence, created his own evidence, and was around evidence that was altered or went missing. Not to mention he's a first class creeper.

[@tinab3627]

You can’t be dragged by a car on the ground and be thrown several feet onto a lawn at the same time!!

[@kingwoodguyatgmail]

…while holding a glass!

[@shazzfooo]

Especially with no blood/dna on the car…

[@MaryClareVideos]

Only if you do a pirouette.

[@birtajonsdottir9910]

Nobody's ever indicated that John's body was dragged.

[@leannabedore]

Exactly! The prosecution has shown zero instances where the jury and us can understand. The most we got is AJ doing a silhouette being projected 30 feet. And thar came from the DEFENSE, also confirmed the tail light caused those scratches.

[@traciemac9533]

The judge has shown from minute one that she is basically the prosecutor. She's helped Lally at every turn. The case is so bad, that even with all her help, Karen should still be found not guilty.

[@Mojo_0203]

I wonder if she’ll watch the trial after it’s over (or has already watched some) and see how unfair she was?

[@BlackStump172]

@@Mojo_0203She knows . This is deliberate .

[@Subeewoobie]

I think Bev's bitter because the defence asked her to recuse herself.

[@Rob-yo5yb]

Aunt bev is the neighbor of the cops of course she is helping out

[@MarklovesAngels]

The judge’s brother defended Chris Albert in his trial for his road rage that ended up killing an exchange student. They’re all friends and connected.

[@yearight7956]

Nicole Albert failed to mention a Ford Edge on the list of cars the family owned when investigators asked. The defense is not saying he was hit by that car. They are bringing up a few possible theories. The main idea is they brought JOK through the garage and into the Ford Edge so they could move him to the yard without having to drag him across the yard.

[@karendal516]

I believe Chris Albert owned the white Edge

[@nancymouradian1070]

@@karendal516 I believe there are three Ford Edge's in the Albert family and one of them is a light color. Not sure if white or beige.

[@kellypujue999]

that makes total sense

[@amandamacabre]

@@nancymouradian1070re: the colour, I figured the vehicle would be covered in snow so maybe just didn't notice the dark paint underneath and if he hadn't been hyperfocused on it as a detail, he just remembered it as light all these years later. I didn't think the colour was any point for Lally at all

[@maryannkucewicz4662]

This theory makes total sense. 👍👍👍

[@mindyk4]

There is NO WAY a taillight put that many lacerations up and down his whole arm like that, imo. What makes sense to me is he got in a fight, which makes dogs go nuts and get aggressive (hence, the bites/scratches on his arm), and John got hit on the head with something or fell during fight and hit his head. The fight stops, he's super drunk and doesn't realize how hurt he is. He gets off the floor, picks up his drink and wanders outside and finally collapses. I guess it's just a coincidence that they immediately get rid of their dog and sell the house THAT WAS NEVER INVESTIGATED.

[@reneearnett8761]

I so hope the FBI is also looking into this judge!

[@blam4984]

So when it’s the commonwealth witness the defense has to let them explain but when it’s the defense she has to stick to yes and no

[@TXBULL195]

I saw that too.

[@lisaborries9205]

I think the testimony was limited by judge during voir dire?

[@Truecrimecafe]

@@lisaborries9205it was 😔

[@LaLaLonna]

Hopefully the jury is picking up on the bias from the judge. It's very clear she is extremely biased.

[@jovicrazed]

I'm Team Defense but I gotta be impartial and the judge did admonish Lally a couple of times for not letting the witness finish their answer.

[@MadWorld909]

Every time I see those injuries on JO's arm, which prosecution says come from a broken tail light, I really don't have to hear anything else in this case. Those are clearly dog bites and claw marks. The CW case is so ridiculous, even a child can see through the obvious lies. Seems like all the rest of it is a total waste of time.

[@Mojo_0203]

I’ve been attacked by a dog twice. Both times it was only one arm and looked very similar.

[@KKonYouTube]

​@@Mojo_0203 - I'm so sorry you went through that! It was bad enough you got attacked once, but twice is great breaking. I hope you're OK!

[@nobbee]

Amen!

[@Mojo_0203]

@@KKonKZbin thank you! The second time my dog actually got attacked at the dog park so it was because I was getting the dog off of him. Physically scary but the worst part is having some PTSD and I love dogs!

[@theresacoffman8133]

💯

[@brittabby]

Defense kicking ass and takin’ names!

[@lisakay8798]

I was shocked that the CW rested without any clear and cohesive theory of how Officer O'keefe died. I have no idea how he died and I would bet the jury doesn't either.

[@laurenjackson9481]

Peter- I live for your breakdowns of this case! Been watching this whole trial with you and love your approach. Others covering this trial act so certain they know what happened - you do such a credible job of breaking down what matters without acting like you know something that is literally impossible to know. I learn so much from this channel and am truly appreciative of your hard work 🙏

[@Medusa-z3n]

Me too I am living in on a smaller charge but this happens all over the country!

[@Amarianee]

That Ford/Jeep taillight question was a perfect example of the attorney mantra: don't ask questions you don't know the answers to 😂

[@whiteheart6827]

I thought the same exact thing.

[@dawnlouiselanctot462]

It PROVES Jen McCabe knew her friend was dying in the cold. 🥶. She 💯 knew.

[@michellecolon8293]

In the 911 call she refers to her “friend” as a man on the lawn.

[@mariee.5912]

​@@michellecolon8293 and on trial as "the body"

[@kylatripp8315]

What was the motive for letting him die in the cold? No “Gottchya” here, just getting perspective please.

[@CatrinaK7]

They could have saved him 💔

[@sharebunnies9381]

​@@kylatripp8315 the theory is that they put him there to get hit by the snow plough to camouflage the injuries

[@CPAries0404]

The plower’s lights are more powerful than the streetlights. A streetlight might as well be out, but his plower has lights on the side that’s like spotlights that according to him reaches 5- 10 ft or even more.

[@rezzieggg]

Yeah … he testified to them having the power of spotlights during direct. It was weird to hear Lally ask if there’s a streetlight near 34 Fairview as if he doubts the lights were powerful enough.

[@BlackStump172]

Lucky is not very good at maths . He is not lying at all . This bloke has guts .

[@ninaschultz6922]

Exactly my thoughts, Lucky is not good with numbers.

[@seascape185]

My son was a K9 dog handler and cop in the Marines. His partner was a huge Shepard who would sit next to him on a flight ! 8 years and he said absolutley the marks around the elbow are teeth marks from a K9. That’s where they’re taught to grab and or the head! I watched him in training I was scared to death when they come at you they’re trained to hold but need the commands to stop!

[@treecycled3706]

They planted the cocktail glass to be able to say he never made it into the house

[@yawninggreyhound]

That's why the glass shards didn't match either bar's glasses? If they would've investigated, the house glassware could've been compared (could've been a one-off glass too I suppose).

[@MCT2013]

Glass came from the Albert house for sure. Testing their glasses would place JO in the Albert house. Their glassware is buried with poor Chloe☹️

[@PellyjellyMom]

Unless the prosecution comes up with a last minute Bombshell or Karen goes bananas and pleads guilty if I was a Juror it would be Not Guilty from me. Too many holes, lack of investigating and poor level of Experts.

[@mariee.5912]

Theyvrested the case. They have nothing.

[@BlackStump172]

Let us just hope that this jury is not tainted .

[@wendywilkinson]

I’m inclined to agree but with the caveat that juries can (and have) convict despite what we’re all reasoning.

[@oiooi6460]

You say that, but whatever the commonwealth has presented that clearly incriminated her, has been dismissed by the Saint Karen Read cult as either fabricated or that the witness is lying. Anything that points away from her being guilty - like the pizza snowplough guy who changed his story multiple times and even as he was speaking today - is seized on by the cult as gospel truth. The mass hysteria over this case is much like the OJ case. The shared delusion is ensuring the cult only sees what you want to see. If Ms Read was a man, even more so an ordinary black man, things would be very different.

[@fernandaolivares7926]

I hope Karen resists the temptation to testify...that would save the otherwise lost CW case.

[@anastasiabeaverhausen7964]

For me the civilian witnesses, cops, and tech evidence is out. The ME and Dr Russell are what I would rely on at this point. I would vote NG

[@sandygrogg1203]

, For the first time, I truly understand about reasonable doubt, and that is thanks to you. You have taught me so much, and today I just I just suddenly got it. It was there all along, and I always knew it, but you taught me to really understand what reasonable doubt means, and what it means to the verdict. Thank you so much.

[@Journey007a]

It makes perfect sense why he would report hitting a basketball pole because he was reporting on himself and admitting to what he did whereas reporting on the Alberts would cause them control that he didn’t want to do.

[@jordan7091]

Colorblindness isn't a visual issue as you indicated. I am very colorblind and have 20/10 and 20/20 vision. Different shades of colors are hard to distinguish from each other but due to this... shapes, contrasting shades/colors, movement and texture are things we see very well. So, glancing over a smooth lawn area, we would notice things that stand out irrespective of color. So the fact it was night time means it would hage been MORE obvious if there was a body in the yard, not harder to see. And in his case it would have stood out as a rock he would need to make sure he missed, or an animal he would need to avoid. Regardless of what color the vehicle officially is, saying a "light color" doesn't mean he/we don't see the vehicle well, we just dont know what color YOU would call it. Hence we don't know what to call it, aka, we "don't know what color it is." An example... purple looks like a blue because i/we cant see the red in it (different variations and intensities of colorbliness if course). Doesn't mean i cant see purple, just means i dont know if it's blue or purple. I'd just guess or use something else that is known to compare it to. But if someone asked me, i wouldn't KNOW what color it is I had to memorize what color things were growing up since i thought i was the only person who couldn't learn colors. I have multiple college degrees and colorblindness is not related to metal acuity in any way Just had to clarify that.

[@Just_a_Mom53]

He wasn’t driving at the time of smooth anything. He went out in the middle of a snow storm at 230-3 am .

[@valentinat3250]

My husband was color blind but he the best vision of anyone I ever knew, except when it came to red/green combinations. (Then I had to pick out his clothes- we used to laugh about it.)

[@amandamacabre]

@@Just_a_Mom53I think by smooth, he means no bushes or anything. That's how I read it at least.

[@silvermoonbaby5622]

Karen Read and her defense team should just do a Netflix series, tell-all book, and a full press tour after the verdict.

[@marlbboro8091]

Yeah once she is free she can say she did it. Double jeopardy. Free as a bird forever. 🤣

[@silvermoonbaby5622]

@@marlbboro8091 How did she do it?

[@partyuv5]

Already in the making.

[@redcharm6173]

Where’s the evidence she did it?

[@silvermoonbaby5622]

@@redcharm6173 Based on the CW, all the evidence was from a brainstorming all hands on deck session at 34 Fairview with Jen McCabe acting as facilitator.

[@jackkoba8053]

Hopefully the FBI will do the investigation that the Canton and MSP couldn’t.. hopefully John and his family will get justice

[@chrisbolander4338]

As a owner of a protection dog, and have seen these dogs bite through protection sleeves - those are definitely dog bites, said dog didn't have solid grip on lower jaw. I've seen this in bites. It's a bite, with a drag from him pulling his arm away. Where the top jaw (teeth) hit skin first -

[@1leggedmedia]

I can't see how a jury could convict her on this the evidence does not support with reasonable suspicion there should be no guilty charge

[@kevinwheesysouthward9295]

If the jury has to deliberate for more than 7 minutes, something is wrong. If I was on the jury there would be no way to get me to put a woman in jail for decades, based upon what the CW presented.

[@1leggedmedia]

@@kevinwheesysouthward9295 agree

[@nickiemccormick5392]

Most quick verdicts are guilty but i think this will be a quick NOT GUILTY…

[@shaylynned8786]

A person doesnt really need to know anything but the Timeline..it doesnt fit.

[@BlackStump172]

@@kevinwheesysouthward9295I would deliberate for 12 minutes and then have a cup of tea to wind down and chill with my fellow jurors .

[@boston_breezy]

people were claiming the defense was harsh toward certain prosecution witnesses.. and sometimes they were, especially when it was contradictory to the FACTS of the case.. But Lally was just mean today. The way he crossed Dr Russel was so rude and demeaning. I absolutely think the jury will dislike his attitude towards this senior; decorated Doctor.

[@dragonbreath8769]

Agree, he's has no soft skills. Just attack. Jackson treated unhostile honest intelligence with dye respect.

[@briannapinkney4966]

Remember earlier in the trial with the CWs medic (I think) witness was super nervous and the DEFENSE said “hi, sir, I have just a few questions for you for some clarity” knowing he was nervous. THAT is class and tact. If this jury takes more than 10 minutes to deliberate, I’ll be shocked. Find her NG and meet up later to talk about all the fuckery lol

[@JPcowboys]

Prosecutor Should not treat Professional Specialist as Lally did Today!! Dr. Russell Earned much more respect..

[@partyuv5]

He won't ever get a criminal trial ever again if he has a job once this is over.

[@KKonYouTube]

Mehhh, Lally TRIED to attack her credentials, credibility, opinions and findings. Dr. Russell said "hold my stack of degrees, while i clear up your questions with my expertise & science"

[@johnmartyn9018]

Ms Little did a great job today!

[@madcitywendy]

In 2011, I was hit by a car at less than 25 miles per hour. I am much smaller than John O’Keefe - but I was severely bruised on my left side where I was hit from my hip to my ankle. His lack of other injuries has never made sense to me.

[@SazzMaz]

Lucky, the only person in Canton to admit to knowing the Alberts!

[@meark2003]

Honestly, I think Lally has been the best defense for the defense, he knows the truth, and he slowly brought it out to save himself from the federal investigation

[@notnow7973]

Interesting!!!!

[@mayrasteely1287]

I’d like to know more about this federal investigation.

[@littlebirdie0809]

I don’t think he’s that smart

[@Rayna-gn3ni]

I've had the same theory.

[@GettingThereGreenGTG]

I've also wondered if he is purposely allowing the trial to go this way because he knows the truth. But I don't know. Lally definitely looks uncomfortable a lot of the time. And that cough feels like a nervous cough these days.

[@vanessamonroe1917]

The tow truck driver seemed like a good guy. 😊

[@eyeknow2917]

He got beat up in the basement, dog tried to protect owner, pulled dog off of him, fell backwards onto weight set, cut his head bled out and died... those wounds are someone putting their arm up defending themselves from a dog

[@donnacramer5666]

You nailed it!

[@crisun]

yes didnt they have some whistle blower that said it kind of like that , but he didnt want to testify , that was how they know about it and the Feds got involved and so on, Shaun knows more (former DEA agent ) that's where i learnt about it and he has said a lot of things and so far most of it has been correct what will come up, how they got the info to the defense lawyers and so on

[@kellypujue999]

thank you 🙏 so glad someone else thinks this smh

[@claudia70031]

​@@crisunI heard somewhere, there where 3 or 4 girls at Brandon's Jr birthday party and 1 girl (she was not one of the girls who testified)told her father what happened and the father went to Karen's lawyer and told him. I'm not sure if it's true just something I heard.

[@shroomhivemind]

I agree w/ya 1000% it’s the only way it makes sense to me!

[@gemgem9373]

Wow Lally has changed.what a horrible man,I know thats his job but so rude to Dr Russell Mr Green and especially to Lucky the plough driver.what a demeaning little weasle

[@JazzySerendipity]

Lucky could remember time by Albert home because he is on a schedule. He knows how long that takes.

[@littlebirdie0809]

So the CW accepts the Celebrite data when it supports their case but discredits Celebrite when it goes against their case.

[@MCT2013]

So true, I thought the same thing! Wait for the Walshe case, state is using Celebrite tech for that. How can they have it both ways???

[@The_10th_Man]

The main problem with Mr Greene was that he thinks Lally/the state cares at all about funding the true answers to anything, the police experts understand the game, he is there to manipulate the jury and get the conviction end of story. It’s painful to see an old boomer like this who still doesn’t understand what sort of system he’s living in.

[@tinab3627]

Seems like all of the Prosecutor’s witnesses are beneficial to the defence 😀

[@EmJust]

Greene scored a huge point with me regarding the Waze clock and the ‘real life’ experiments he actually carried out with the phone. If I was a jury member in amongst all of this ‘tech’ blah, I would definitely really appreciate this tangible evidence.

[@cyncea23]

It makes no sense for the man to be in a snowplow at 12:00am when they had a very light dusting of snow 🤨 The weather is not inconsistent. Somebody, very clearly, wrote down wrong information. Gray is a light color. Black is a dark color. It is nice the judge shuts down any possible explanation for the wounds. God forbid somebody find out how the man actually died.

[@whiteheart6827]

City employees get paid from the time they punch in. His work time was 2:30 am he punched in at 2:15. Even if there was not plowable snow they have to be on the road.

[@michellesinger3641]

I think you have been very fair to both sides!!!

[@THEONLYHRH]

The BEST!

[@BKLisaP]

He absolutely has. These trolls are out of control

[@RileyH-fh8vf]

"Proctor Report" has now become an established American colloquialism.

[@summawriters106]

Indeed! 😎

[@kimdebruno]

The Proctah Repaht 😜

[@laanyan]

In Bostonian, that's pronounced, "F***in' Proctah Repoht."

[@Unknown.servant]

Sidebahhhh

[@laurenjackson9481]

If anyone covering this case (and others) deserves 400k subs- it's LYK

[@lisolette1]

They initially placed the glass there in a panicked move to explain the cuts on his arm, so they put a broken glass near him

[@RetiredRN-rz7od]

Proctor lied in report about what times Lucky said.

[@Boodika2011]

I believe that 100%

[@kate122579]

Possibly, but it also seems that it's more likely that people just didn't understand what Lucky was saying about time. Because his timeline included the plow cycle, but it took him a long time to get it across that he wasn't changing his timeline constantly, but that he was passing by Fairview multiple times DURING the cycle regardless of whether he was actively plowing the street. So the cops could write him off as an unreliable witness, when, honestly, his timeline assumed the listener would intrinsically understand that he was obviously passing by Fairview regularly

[@Rayna-gn3ni]

​@kate122579 so, do you believe Trooper Proctor has been honest with his entire testimony? Because as a juror your instructed to disregard testimony that has proven to be manufactured, tampered with or falsified. Just wondering your opinion on Propctor and his reliability.

[@kristin_816]

I’m devastated for this family- they will never know how this happened and it falls squarely at the feet of CPD, MSP and this DA’s office. If these agencies are truly this inept at their jobs, this family needs to have a conversation with you Peter - it’s time to change the face of these agencies in Officer John O’Keefes name.

[@lisainthelab]

What the family really wants is for people from the Free Karen Read movement to stop Booing them when they walk into the courthouse. And to stop making memes of them and making fun of them. They have enough to deal with without having to put up with that insanity. I respect everyone having a different opinion, but the things going on surrounding their son's trial are out of control and terrible.

[@gigiis526]

@@lisainthelab Maybe they shouldnt sit right by Karen and glare, intimidate, and hate on her day in and day out.

[@partyuv5]

Sure they will, evidently something big is going down. Court was made aware. 😊

[@gigis6790]

Is that true? People are booing Officer O Keefe's family!?

[@lisainthelab]

@@gigiis526 Well I think any person would do that if they believed that someone killed their child. Even if I believed Karen was innocent, I certainly wouldn’t criticize ANY parent in ANY trial. They have a right to believe what they do just as much as you have a right to believe what you do. Not to mention they’ve seen all the excluded evidence that we have not, and it certainly points to Karen’s guilt. Regardless, I would think that any normal person would understand their emotions and deep pain when their son’s trial has turned into a circus. And Karen doesn’t seem to be bothered by it at all, she seems like she’s enjoying it honestly. She’s always laughing and making big reaction moments and signing autographs, so I wouldn’t worry about it. She can’t even see them from her seat, they are behind her and to the side.

[@Nelsy2522]

This is what I think happened. John got into a fight with someone in the house, I’m thinking Colin since he had bruised knuckles. The dog attacked john trying to defend the family , then he fell and hit his head in the basement ,since they redid the basement floor !!! and then they carried him out to the lawn. Maybe they thought he would wake up in the cold but he did not… RIP . Then the damage control started phones started getting lost , videos missing etc. they heard KR saying could I have hit him and were like oooh yes jackpot we can pin it on her and her tail light is cracked perfect we got her.

[@donnacramer5666]

Nailed it!

[@kitcatkit6240]

Yup. But I think Albert hopped in too with Higgins egging it all on in the back

[@annaandre9131]

This is clear to me also by now!

[@sugarray8820]

This is what I think too but I also think that because Higgins was flirting with Karen, he knew to use that as an excuse because she was on the outs with John. That’s why he only extracted their messages to “prove” they had issues. I think he came up with the plan after whatever happened in the basement. That was their out. They needed to frame it to look like she hated John. Then once Jen heard her say she might have hit him that solidated their plan even more.

[@good01]

There were times the prosecutor’s witnesses say they never said things that they had in police reports.. so who’s the common denominator.. the police! That’s what I get from this. The reports are wrong not the peoples testimony

[@lindajohnson7675]

I really hope you are correct and Karen does not testify. We dont need her to take that risk!

[@joanbradley1735]

Peter I watched you for a yr now and your a very smart a fair lawyer I love the court recaps thank you for sharing your time and brilliant mind♥️

[@traciemac9533]

The CW still hasn't shown when Karen had the opportunity. Their timeline is a mess. Jen is watching her at like 12:40 but Karen is connected to John's wifi at 12:36. According to Jen, she was watching Karen every 2 minutes while Karen was at the albert house. None of the CW's case lines up.

[@vanessamonroe1917]

Jen is such a Middle Aged Mean Girl!!! 🤬

[@gdenny1748]

Everyone involved in the cover up needs to be charged! He was found outside, frozen to death with wounds to his head, no broken bones, no fractures no bruises on his body, except for an animal attack on his arm. He had one shoe on the other one was never found because it was in the house! No one in the house was questioned. They found the fragments from a tail light, after the initial report was written that same day! There were many officials on the scene at the time John was found not a sign of the tail light anywhere!

[@rebeccaswift7588]

I think Colin Albert got into a physical altercation with john in the basement of the Alberts home. I think john fell backwards falling and hitting his head on the gym equip. I think thats when Chloe attacked john. After everyone left the Alberts house, John was dragged or carried to the front yard, losing one shoe along the way. Johns bruised hands are defensive wounds. I think the Alberts daughter took Chloe with her when she left the house. That would explain why Jenn McCabe had no idea where Chloe was at when she burst into Nicole (her sister) and Brians bedroom. The Alberts testified that Chloe slept in their bedroom with them. Any dog wouldve reacted to someone bursting into their room yet Jenn didnt see her..strange..

[@Kjane32]

I think you nailed it!, they conveniently got rid of the dog. Conveniently sold their house conveniently got rid of their cell phones. Come on the stuff is so obvious it’s unreal!,

[@Kjane32]

You nailed it! Remodeled their basement. Got rid of the dog. Sold the house. John lost a shoe because they dragged him outside. Got rid of cell phones.

[@hollyyoung2850]

Great theory but there is no evidence to show this. I really hope the jury give their judgement on the evidence/lack of it, without this kind of story telling. Otherwise, Karen could be in real trouble.

[@lizzeltired2155]

I think the dog attacked while JO was hitting or being hit not after he fell back and hit head

[@PattiGarner331]

The truth never changes.

[@maryshea603]

Nah in a case where cops who wrote the time in that report have been found in questionable situations & lies, I believe the snowplow driver.

[@noodlesmom01]

I believe lucky

[@Rayna-gn3ni]

Trooper Proctor should be on the Brady list.

[@johnnytactical3054]

The defense doesn’t/shouldn’t call Karen Read…CW didn’t prove anything

[@shieh.4743]

They should call her. Jurors shouldn't, but absolutely, do feel that innocent people would testify. If the lawyers think she can hold her own, calling her adds strength to the defense in this case.

[@basicallyno1722]

@shieh is that why so many people who testify in their own trials go to prison anyway?

[@jordan7091]

In this case, I 100% disagree.... If I were them and her I'd put her up and tell her to speak her truth and use her voice. Lawyers did an excellent job showing the prosecution is a frame job and now she gets to defend herself. She has the truth on her side and Lally is awful and I wouldn't be worried about him tripping her up soooo insanely bad that it would magically undo everything they has already been presented.

[@lalashawn9999]

I agree. CW has not proven their case. I don't think she should testify. People already have opinions on what and how she should feel and react.

[@RonTDB]

@@shieh.4743 No. The defense has done made their case. The person who pulled up behind Karen in the Ford pickup truck testified that he did not see John in Karen's SUV while he was pulling away plus the snow plow driver testifying a Ford Edge sitting out front at 2:45 sold the case for me not including all the other crap that went on and don't make sense.

[@suemitricka9031]

I almost started to feel sorry for Lally's inadequacies but! Yesterday he grinded on my last nerve, and now I feel so dumb for my lack of judgement. What a stunad!

[@BurroGirl]

I thought Mr. Green was absolutely awesome! Every question Lally tried to nail him with, Mr. Green answered and explained.

[@PoetryInMotionXo]

I’m with dr Russell on the arm injury/ies. I’ve worked 20yrs with large breed dogs more specific bully breeds… I.E American Staffordshire, Rotties, German Shepherds, etc. These are without a doubt from a dog… large dog grabbing the arm multiple times. Quite honestly a quick google search can show you what dog bite injuries look like and you’re going to get photos that resemble the one in this case… especially when it’s a large breed.

[@anthonypowell94]

I hope the jurors see the truth!!! #FREEKARENREAD

[@marlbboro8091]

#freeChloeGSD

[@wsflaw]

I always tell witnesses to request copies of any statement that they give to law enforcement and insurance companies

[@NATALIEKING1976]

I’ve been bitten by a dog numerous times and have seen special operators in the military bitten by dogs and John’s wounds look similar. However, I’m not an expert but as a potential juror, there are WAY too many inconsistencies to send someone to jail for life

[@sunshinemitch]

Lucky was sober and when people drive certain routes and drive for a living they are very aware of there surroundings. He knew BA so i do not doubt he looks at his home. I like him and I also drive daily for my route and i see alot of things. You are just more aware of your surroundings. I have no doubt.

[@tanyalh90]

What a waste of time and money spent on proving that Karen did NOT do this 😳 how did they get to even charge her 🤬

[@silvermoonbaby5622]

The fact that the CW digital experts did not look at the entire phone extraction and not use the same IOS version to explain how the search was not made 2:27 am is very telling. They could have easily used the same IOS version to replicate the scenario and explain how it happened but they didn't. Why? THEY WON'T GET PAID IF THEY DON'T DISCREDIT THE SEARCH. I absolutely trust Rick Green over those 2. Lally was his usual intentional mischaraterizing self was asking unclear questions. Rick Green was asking for clarifications but Lally was purposefully being vague. I did not think I could dislike Lally more after how he was impeaching Lucky using Proctor's report, being condescending and rude to both Dr. Russell and Mr. Green but I guess Lally always finds a new low each day on this trial. I'm still not over the cheap, desperate stunt yesterday to enter the DUI lawyer google search as consciousness of guilt.

[@leannabedore]

I love this comment x10000. I feel the EXACT way and the first expert said she did peer reviews. You cannot rely on peer reviews as evidence ot proof. Green explained how it's a very specific IOS system and he even tried recreating it. He did a great job.

[@nickiemccormick5392]

Lally’s questions were so dam confusing…

[@tierneylogan5943]

Does anyone REALLY believe that a search at 6:30-whatever gets time stamped at 2:27 because that’s when the tab was opened? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I use the same tab over and over so are all my google searches timestamped like 3 years ago?

[@shaylynned8786]

Yes, when no doubt she looked for a DUI Lawyer after being at the Hospital.

[@HDnursepractitioner]

I love the snow plow guy even more bc he says he is looking out for people and god forbid animals. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@Mrs-Tif]

The people who wrote the reports with the wrong time was Proctor and Bukenik. Can’t really trust their accounts considering

[@coldsoldier313]

I am almost sure that the gash on the back of John's head was caused by being struck by a dumbbell

[@kitcatkit6240]

I think so too. I think Colin pushed him, Huggins egged him on, and Albert popped him in the eye (laceration) he fell back hit his head on a dumbbell and they threw him out thinking he would just leave

[@annemariemakle6582]

​@@kitcatkit62401:34😅😅😮:17

[@Lofilifer1]

Or just falling onto a hard floor. I split my head open from fainting in my kitchen. Woke up to my head hurting bad and bleeding a little bit. Had a deep gash actually pretty much where John’s was.

[@neonsky5429]

Maybe a beer or liquer bottle?

[@Terrence_Cox]

As far as the cocktail glass. Remember, most of the witnesses kept specifically highlighting that Karen was going bar to bar with this glass. If you believe in the cover up then that cocktail glass makes sense.

[@yawninggreyhound]

In the video, JO took a glass from the waterfall. That glass was carried in from Mccarthy s??

[@amandamacabre]

I was thinking that if the original plan was that he was hit by a plow, it makes sense to give him the glass he arrived with. Like "yeah he said his good byes, and was pretty drunk but remembered his glass, he must have been hit trying to leave."

[@mandolyn]

That person saying they'd go against the defense cause they don't believe they were dog bites or scratches was frightening to me if they're saying they'd vote guilty cause of that.

[@JWL72375]

The cocktail glass was sent with him to get it out of their house.

[@reneearnett8761]

That judge is obviously ALL IN for the common wealth! I truly believe that she is way to bias to try this case

[@Heseesyou]

She is corrupt😢 this Is so wicked on so many levels. 😢😢😢

[@reneearnett8761]

Yes!!! It’s crazy to me lol

[@Nurturing2]

Peter, you’re just SO damn likable❣️ I’ve been with you since the beginning. Grateful for your insights and thought provoking inquiries. Most importantly, I love how you emphasize the importance of having a respectful conversation. ⚖️❤️

[@primalcritters]

Lucky was never inconsistent. Proctor actually changed the reports, he doctored the reports so Lucky's timeline is correct. Lucky the plow driver is color blind. Being colorblind will not impede him from seeing a white Ford Edge or a body. Lucky is extremely consistent and credible Both on direct and on cross. This man is a national treasure to come forward and speak the truth in a town that is fearful of the Albert and McCabe clan.

[@davidvoelkel8392]

A man is dead and his case is not being properly investigated and charged. A real miscarriage of justice if the true perpetrators are not identified and brought to trial.

[@Auie_Chris]

GUIILTY OF not being GUILTY. Remember, they did not check the property where his body was Found. Someone died in your front yard and no LE checked within the vicinity and secure the scene.

[@gingerhickerson5792]

The body was inside and bet there was some incriminating evidence so the Albert’s and proctor TOLD officers what was to be and not to be questioned or searched!!!

[@brandiguarino1778]

@@gingerhickerson5792didn’t I hear they changed the carpet downstairs?

[@RichardZabielski-ql9ss]

P​@@brandiguarino1778 not just the carpet, the entire flooring, sold the family home that was in their family for decades, gave away the family dog, got rid of the phones and... Well you get the picture

[@elizabethmunster9091]

@@brandiguarino1778 yes you did !

[@wildershoney2439]

So my mother in law died in her sleep, the cops made us stay out of the house completely until they cleared it and the Coroner came and declared her dead and looked around then released the scene. That was in a town of 1,100 ppl. So if that's how they handled that then a much larger town with many more ppl would absolutely do the same thing especially when someone looks like they've been beat.

[@SR-lr7he]

The plow driver was great. Clearly a guy who knows his cars. I laughed when the prosecutor asked him how he knew the difference between the two cars and he had the answer immediately. Nice work 😆

[@MoonDragon1]

Lucky seems like a sweetheart that was just doing his job plowing with zero motive. He actually was friendly with the Alberts. He was just honest. Lally tried to act like he was confused but he stuck to it! Like when he said usually he goes by every 3 hours but it was a blizzard and he has to keep the road open because first responders live there. Snow picked up so it was 45 min instead of 3 hours. I have family and friends that plow. I got what he’s saying. You can see A LOT from the plows.

[@wendygorman1027]

Karen should be mad. This madness has been going on for years.

[@bibber123]

Seriously…the poor woman. …I don’t know how she carries herself with such grace and dignity day after day.

[@deborahrose8607]

Me thinks she thrives on anger and "madness" to maintain equilibrium. That's all I ever see from this woman 👩

[@dianaduguay6190]

The Albert's had a Ford Edge

[@declan92100]

Judges are always bias towards to prosecution. It's a disgrace Peter even has to say "I know the defence have the Jury, but they don't have the Judge" She shouldn't be interfering as much as she has. KR has a decent basis for a retrial

[@AshtynJadeProduction]

You keep yourself SO BUSY! Thank you for all you do. And please extend our gratitude to your wife for her willingness to share you with us!!❤

[@dawnlouiselanctot462]

Most vicious tail light cover 🤦🏻‍♀️ never heard of more butt dials and deleted calls ever. She is 100 innocent. You don’t redo your basement, sell the house get rid of the dog oh and phone if your innocent

[@vanessamonroe1917]

Exactly!!! 💯

[@vincedidiana5781]

All the butt dials at ASSinine

[@stephanietexas1325]

Lally is a crappy litigator and a bully

[@briannapinkney4966]

He’s so freaking rude. I hope he does interviews cuz I’m curious wtf he was thinking taking this case and UPGRADING it

[@Stacy-]

I think John went outside to throw up or answer his phone perhaps. He got attacked by the dog, fell, & then hit his head on something. He was drunk & unconscious then succumbed to the cold & head wound. Or he got into a fight with someone at the house, they hit him in the face, he hit back (knuckle bruises), & he hurt his head. He went outside, the dog attacked, & he fell in the yard drunk/hurt. He succumbed to the cold & his wounds. Then the investigators made sure the evidence pointed away from the homeowners. I have no doubts that those are bites/scratches, most likely from their dog. The fact that they gave away their dog of 7 years is very suspicious. They would've known the dog had a tendency to attack people and/or behavioral issues by then.

[@guppylipz]

Karen's phone data shows her connecting to John's home Wi-Fi at 12:36 am, I believe. That means that the Commonwealth needs to believe that he was hit before that.

[@hollypgh84]

Yes, correct. My thoughts too. The CW says she "sped there in 5 mins" in a snowstorm 🙄

[@paw-prints839]

I dont think she should testify

[@Truecrimecafe]

I agree !! I believe in her innocence but don’t think she should take the stand

[@marlbboro8091]

Agree. But I think she did it and one day the truth will come out. But no need for her to testify. She is will be free. And as EDB said she can give interviews after this is done and will make a lot of money off Netflix anyway. Recoup her defense🤣

[@RichardZabielski-ql9ss]

No need