LC9 vs PF9

[@JamesSmith-xs1yy]

I’m convinced you can shoot and hit anything you can see no matter what the gun is you’re my Hero

[@hickok45]

@gunnut8 , I wasn't implying that I'd affect sales by making negative comments, and I don't care or know much about other videos that might not agree. I just know my own experience with stuff. :-)

[@hickok45]

@monsterman27 , After operating both even a short time, there's no question in my mind that the Ruger is more of a quality piece. It still comes down to your needs, though.

[@hickok45]

Of the three I am most often asked about, I personally rank them this way: 1. PM9, 2. Ruger LC9, 3. PF9

[@rbelena]

Hickok, I own the PF9 and have no problems with the mags. I would suggest that you send your gun back to Kel Tec. They will fix the problem. Also the mags should all hold 7 rounds with no problem. The springs may be tight. If after leaving them filled for a couple of week they do not loosen up send them back also. BTW Kel Tec has fantastic customer service.

[@jtguns88]

Love my PF9...I must have got lucky and got a good one. It has fired around 500 rounds without one single failure. My father has a LC9 and his gun has had no malfunctions either.

[@akede2001]

Thanks for the review. Your reviews are AWESOME. Love watching them. Every time I go to purchase a firearm I end up watching your reviews. Very in depth, reasonable, impartial and just overall great.

[@hickok45]

@kaaajeee , The baby Glocks are in a different class. They are thicker but easier to shoot well. These guns will serve the purpose pretty well, but the Baby Glocks are essentially as effective as any full-size firearm.

[@robesonreed]

Nobody talks about the fact that Kel-Tec innovated in every single way, and all Ruger did was make exact copies of their designs and sell them for a higher price. It's easy to spend all your time on refining a great design when you don't have to do any of the heavy lifting of actually designing it. Ruger is a much larger company, so they can afford to have better quality control. Kel-Tec is tiny, and still manages to beat the big guy. Not to mention the fact that Ruger models are overloaded with safeties, and Kel-Tec is a straight up, no bones about it firearm. Go ahead, and knock Kel-Tec all you want. If it wasn't for them, Ruger wouldn't have the lineup of guns they do today. Why praise the imitator when you could reward the innovator and get them to the level of the big boys?

[@Jorgen03]

PF9s have a history of unreliability whereas the LC9 does not. That's all there is to it.

[@Bfresh99]

Good call. I've got 1000 rds. through mine(daily carry), and I haven't had any issues. Lots of Kel-Tec bashing here, by folks who admittedly don't use one.

[@CaliforniaCarpenter7]

Ruger is pretty famous for that. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and you know that if Ruger had to rip off a design, it was a good design.

[@castercamber]

Bfresh99 Can't agree with you there. I carried a PF-9 for a couple of years. Kept dumping ammo through it hoping it would "break in" and quit jamming. It got worse the more I shot it. Finally dumped it a a gun show and bought an LC9. The Ruger has been outstanding and is now by EDC. I'm glad to hear your PF-9 has been good for you and I hope you get many years of service out of it. Just saying my experience was much worse than yours.

[@castercamber]

***** Sorry to hear about your experience with the PF-9. Glad to hear you upgraded to a Shield. My nephew has one and let me shoot it. Outstanding pistol.

[@Notlib1]

LC9 is a great little pistol... No regrets. Keep up the vids hickok45. Among the best reviewers around.... Thanks!

[@hickok45]

See FAQ videos.

[@claud1961]

Alright, amigos, I can't comment on the Ruger because I don't have one. I do deep carry a PF-9 and have had no difficulties with feed or mags. I do have a theory, however. Being a small weapon with lots of recoil a big fellow like kickok45 hits the mag release because his hands do not have room for a different grip. If you have feed problems you are limpwristing the gun. It means you either have problems with your grip or you are not as experienced as you think you are. As you can see hickok has no feed problem because he provides a stable platform. After watching this I began to take extra notice of hand placement to not only avoid hitting the release but also to prevent riding the slide, another problem with small guns. Other than that it really depends on budget and bias. If it is all you have you will shoot it a lot and become proficient.

[@ghostape6481]

Bought my Pf9 off gun broker, brand new, for $155. Absolute no brainer. Not one issue in 3 years.

[@theKGB65]

According to industry insiders, Kel-Tec's patented AMR system was originally designed to use retinal scanning technology coupled with grip surface conductivity sensors to initiate the automatic magazine release, but that would have made the PF9 too costly to compete with Ruger's LC9.

[@flabeachcomber]

The Ruger seems to be worth the added cost, based on the reliability point alone. I also like the safety point on the Rugers. I also like the chamber loaded indicator. It's a nice feature to have in the dark.

[@hickok45]

@Muggsmeister , The PM9 is my favorite of the three.

[@chris1683]

Firstly, I really appreciate your videos. They are informative, unbaised and you share a wealth of firearms knowledge with the general public. I have owned both the PF9 and the LC9S Pro. I eventually sold the LC9S Pro and kept the PF9. While I liked the Ruger, it had several feed issues and also shot grossly low from the point of aim by me and several other people who tried it. When I had the two to compare side by side, I loved the lower weight of the PF9 and also the feel of the gun. The Ruger is very slippery and does not offer good checkering around the entire grip as you mentioned. To date, I have put around 1000 rounds through my PF9 and it functions flawlessly. I added a Northwood Anodized Trigger to my PF9 and couldn't be happier with it's performance.

[@damianjeminez6412]

Thanx buddy. Got my kel tec pf9 brand new at shop $280. Seen same one at gun show $250.

[@davmax99]

PF9... 150 rounds so far and zero failures. I have not hit the mag release accidentally either. Also, my two magazines will easily accept 7 rounds. Love the gun so far!

[@gorbash07]

I’ve had my Keltec for more than 5yrs now... over 500 rounds... No failures! 👍🏻😊👍🏻 Managing the “kick” takes practice though... But loving it as an EDC.😊

[@hickok45]

Yes, I kept the Ruger and sent them a check.

[@throwarocknow]

Thank you Hickok for being a great teacher.

[@jrossi9250]

A little work with an emery board on the tip of the trigger and a Hogue handall jr grip to lessen the recoil a bit might sway you towards the Pf 9. I have no problem getting 7 rounds in my Kel Tec mags nor does my mag auto release when empty. Mine is about 8 months old and I'm very happy with it for the use I purchased it for. Thanks for another great vid. J R

[@mueller771able]

They’re both very good quality guns and for the price cant beet it, but I purchased a KelTec PF9 awhile back and I’ve been very pleased with it. The reason why I went with the KelTec is for the price and it has a accessory rail.

[@alexjackson1540]

Hickok your the best for making these videos. I ended up buying the keltec pf9 for 100$ used but in very good condition and it's become my daily concealed carry. I absolutely love this gun and its especially good for me because i have small hands.

[@langsmiff]

Excellent comparison, really first-rate stuff Hickok! Thank you.

[@chrisdettone1648]

Carried the Ruger as my daily for almost 10 years. Probably 2000 rounds through it. Finally sheared a firing pin the other day. I feel like I can't be mad after all that. Irony being the PF9 is my backup

[@hickok45]

By the way, I did receive from Kel-Tec yesterday (3-5-11) the supposed fix on the mag release. The instructions for replacement are a full page of very small print from a bad copier that I can barely read. There appears to be about 40 steps outlined. I'll try to get motivated to read this thing and tackle the job one day soon.

[@tedmattingly7564]

I recently won a pf9 and just bought some parts from MCARBO to take care of the spots you mentioned and a few others. I'm excited to see how they transform this little pistol.

[@OwKGuy]

This review is exactly what I needed. Thanks Hickok45!

[@EmjayTwelv]

Hey Hickok45, After countless hours researching the PF9, I decided to just buy it the moment I saw it available. When I snagged the chrome model, I went straight to the range to break it in and to have fun with my brand new G27. 150+ rounds and the PF9 ate every load from Winchester crapbox to Federal to Golden Sabre to +P loads. Not one failure. The G27 had one FTE. I guess I should dump the Glock right lol? Of course I kid, the Glock kicks ass. Keep the vids coming-great job!

[@DennyRec]

I have the P 11 has my back up firearm. I have a friend that had the Rugger, so I have shot both. It's hard to which is better. At 25 yards, shooting center mass, no one can complain. Of course they are for close range. I'll stay with the Kel Tec since I own it. Great video and thanks.

[@SteveJohnsonPHANTOM1984]

I must say Hickok45 that your channel is one of the best.

[@jarrodsmith1300]

Thank you Hickock...this was a great, unbiased video review. Considering what is tested here I will be purchasing a PF9 with a mag release upgrade. I don't have hand sausages as big as yours, so the trigger guard will not be an issue. Ruger as well as some other manufacturers have gone overboard with safety features trying to compensate for owners lack of responsibility and firearms safety. Not that it is a bad thing to be "safe," but common sense plays a huge role. Thank you, so much for another honest review!

[@surfboardhacker]

Hell of an objective review! A+ Thanks Greg!

[@utubetommy]

I have both a Ruger LCP and LC9. The LC9 is marginal pocket carry, especially with the mag finger extension, which tends to get caught when removing the pistol from a front pocket. That being said, it has acceptable hitting power, and I LIKE the idea of having a loaded chamber with a safety. The safety is wide and sturdy enough and after being used during the break-in period (about 200-250 rounds), is acceptably easy to engage/disengage. However, I usually carry the LCP due to its size.

[@marklivingston8155]

I carry an LCP with a round in the chamber otherwise it will jam. I attached the laser and it improves the handling and the accuracy.

[@kalenberg11]

Not sure if anyone commented on the keltec magazine capacity issue, but on the one that comes with it has a small tab on the top of the floor plate for some reason. Sane or cut that off and you are in the 7+1 club with the PF9.

[@FrumpyPumpkin]

I admire your ability to exercise tact in your responses to the general public. Happy shooting hickok!

[@wyldediver]

I have no problem putting 7 rounds in any of the 4 mags for my PF9, un-modded, out of the box. Just felt it worth the mention. Great review.

[@bigchunk1]

27:35 I can guarantee anyone who has gone this far in this video does not consider you a nerd for going into such detail.

[@Crombie531]

I picked up the Ruger LC9 today. I like it a lot. I have big hands and the pistol fists real well in it. It shoots real well. I put 60 rounds thought it and first a 10ft and the hold is where you point it. At 21ft you have to hole a little high to get it is the "X" say the 8 ring. I had no problems with the recoil. The tiger is is very long. The break is all the way back. If you shoot Glocks, it will take some getting use to. Good gun. Thanks Mr Hickok for the review. Your why I got it.

[@parrotheadlasvegas]

Thanks for the video! I'll stick with the Kel-Tec for now. I like the simpler design with less to go wrong. I don't want a loaded chamber indicator (I just always consider it loaded), I don't want a thumb safety to forget under stress, and I don't want a magazine safety. I also don't want to have to use a tool to disassemble the firearm. But that's me. If I still lived in California, I'd get the Ruger because it's 50 state legal. In the end, it's great that we have the options we do today.

[@rogermcgee1]

Thanks for comparing these two, chief. "When Hickok45 speaks, people listen." Used to be E.F. Hutton catchphrase. LOL

[@dominicolson7339]

I own both but carry the Kel tec. It just conceals better, just a little lighter. I have recently purchased a Kel tec 32acp I love it ! It's even lighter and smaller. Both Ruger and Kel Tec's are very good guns but that few ounces makes a difference. If you carry all the time you understand .

[@preclovis]

I own an LC9S and had a problem with the magazine release spring. It was not strong enough to hold the magazine in place. The magazine kept falling out of the pistol. I sent it to Ruger and they replaced the spring free of charge. It works great now.

[@TheGWood89]

Safety is the most important thing when it come to weapons IMO. You can always choose to leave the safety off if you really need the extra 0.1 second to not actuate it. But to be able to make a weapon SAFE from fire when in my pants (using inside pants holster) is priceless.

[@Razor_36]

@Hickok45 I have carried the pf9 for years. I put Talons on it because you always spoke highly of them. They make ns for them and have trigger upgrades for it but on a defensive gun I'm not altering any triggers with a lighter pull. Pretty much a get off me gun. In shooting it I feel its a point and fire weapon. I'd be happy with a trench style setup on it but its a great companion especially in the summer. It just disappears very well! Nice review as always sir!

[@decoder61]

First off, my thanks to you and John for committing so much time and effort to creating and maintain a family-friendly shooting channel. Note: Kel-tec lists the weight of the PF9 as 12.7 oz while Ruger lists the LC9 as 17.1 oz--a 4.4 oz difference. Doesn't sound like much, but it does mean that the LC9 is 33% heavier than the PF9. The PF9 is a real muzzle lifter. Made me feel better to see that it may have the same effect on you (18:17--switching from PF9 to LC9). :-)

[@xtraflo]

As I wrote to you before, I bought the LC9, and it was a toss up between the Kel-Tec mostly due to price. However, the LC9 is my Primary Carry, and I carry it on the Inside of my belt. With that, I damn sure prefer having some sort of Saftey, even if there isnt a round in the Chamber. I also trust the Pedigree of Ruger as oppsosed to Kel-Tec. The PF9 is a fine gun for Many- I'm sure, but Im also a fan of saftey. Seems like too many idiots out there are getting hurt out there that forget saftey.

[@heading7593]

I just have to say I think everyone loves you and your vids, your alll american and you have great vids... Keepem coming because i know I I will watchem. Thanks

[@rodneydavis8454]

I have both guns and trust both of them with my life every fun can malfunction even a Glock and I have plenty of glocks, Sig's,xds Springfield and so on and carry them all it depends how I dress my preferred carry is my glock 19 gen 5 and my Kel tec pf9 or p11 no problems at all and I had my pf9 and p11 for almost 5 years no problems at all and remember every gun is going to perform different.

[@snapshotdod]

I think another point towards the pf9 is the fact that you can get entire grip assemblies with internal parts for 34$ from KT, so you could always try your hand at stippling or modding a spare...food for though. I'm thinking maybe spare frame, heat gun, expanding trig guard...at least its cheap to replace if you screw up, thats what I like about it.

[@freddobbs9435]

Hi, Great video, as always, I have a Glock 23, that I carried at work for 20yrs, never a prop, I bought a PF9 when I retired, but just never trusted it Jam issue, I sold it along with my p3at, and bought a Ruger LCP, many rounds and never a fail, as a result I carry the g23 as I have the ultimate confidence in it and from time to time the LCP...I would not own another kel tec...

[@freddobbs9435]

+Fred Dobbs I forgot to say last week I got an sw shield, great little 9mm, and a good replacement for the pf9, no jamming at att, very soft shooter...

[@squeakD]

These are both great guns. They're both accurate, and perform very well for their intended purpose. Yeah, the Ruger is about $100 more.., but what people need to understand is that with that $100 difference you're getting a better finish on the slide, and the Ruger's overall design is more "refined" compared to the Kel Tec. You're also going to get a slight bump in build quality with the Ruger. The Ruger's more refined look is a factor for some buyers too.

[@MrPacoNut]

Thanks for another great review hickok45!

[@SteveJohnsonPHANTOM1984]

On my PF9 the mag holds 7 rounds you may want to take the mag apart and see what is in there. It is a great weapon.

[@hickok45]

@purkjason , I'd much rather have the G26; it's big enough to carry into battle, as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather have it as my sidearm if I were in the military than the Beretta 92. These guns in the video are smaller / thinner, though, and they serve a slightly different purpose.

[@bobford2564]

Gregg, love your review here, well done. Do more

[@BradM4955]

i had the same issue with a extra mag i bought for my kel tec. i took the mag apart and and had to reseat the spring and that fixed the problem. its a good gun for the money

[@realgonkulator]

Hey Hickok, it took me watching a bunch of watching your videos and then rewatching this one to figure out that you were being critical of Kel-Tek from 14:19 to 15:45 You sir, are a gentleman :)

[@steelcurtain41286]

Great vid as always Hickok, I send my sympathy about Gunner, he was a beautiful pup

[@RIPghosthunters]

Thanks for the video! Which helped me make my decision to go with the Ruger. I personally like the loaded chamber indicator. This comes in handy if you lose round your count and/or are in the dark and am unsure if you have a round in the tube. My manual safe is nice and light on my LC9,. I'm old school so I do use the safety from time to time depending on the holster I'm using. I guess I have short thumbs but I can easily reach the mag release on the LC9. I'm not crazy about the magazine disconnect but I can live with it because the gun has a good ergonomic fit for me, its a 9mm, it shoots well, has had 0 firing issues, is not to small nor to big, its dependable with a good warranty. On the other side I have yet to hold one Kel-tec that felt good in my hands. Also I have had one issue in past where a magazine was released at a bad time. Therefore, I will not take a chance on that happening to me again which Hickok 45 noted can be a problem with the PF9. That's my 2 1/2 cents.

[@berto671]

Great info. pretty much everything i needed to hear. thanks! keep the vids coming.

[@tkahuna68]

We asked and again you deliver. thanks again for ANOTHER great video. Now we need to throw the pm9 in the mix

[@ThorTheTerrible]

I'm really excited to get my Ruger LC9 on Monday after work, it'll be the first handgun I've ever owned! I can't wait to take it to the range and break it in!

[@littlered4122]

Thank You Sir, Just inherited a Kel Tec PF-9 and researching everything about it. We are Gun People and have watched you and are Subscribers for many years. Wife and I are just not Kel Tec People.

[@wildmanjeff42]

honestly planning on the kel-tec due to having glocks(thanks for referring them Hickock45) and safety between the ears. The more parts and moving stuff in a gun the more that can go wrong, seize up from foreign material, mechanical failures(It could possibly happen) or even accidently putting on the safety and needing to get a shot off in 2 sec could possibly cost my life from stress related situation. I like glocks, but want a pocket pistol smaller and lighter than the glock 26.

[@Magman454]

The magazines for Kel-Tec are made by Mec-Gar. If you take it apart and rotate the spring so that when you re-insert it, the part that was facing the front now faces the back, you will most likely be able to load that 7th round. Every now and then, a magazine spring is inserted backwards and will not allow the follower to fully retract.

[@Louiev1911]

boy there are tons of Kel Tec haters on here haha. I just bought one to test out myself. If I find I do not like it I will sell or trade it. Not a big deal just looking for a better carry option than my G30s which is a little bulky when trying to carry. I will make my own conclusion on the gun without the peanut gallery telling me how crappy of a gun I bought. Thank you Hickok45 for yet another great review and allowing people to make their own decisions.

[@freddobbs9435]

+Louiev1911 Hi, regardless you will never own a better more rel;iable gun then your G30, but you know that LOL...

[@purkjason]

@hickok45 , Thanks for commenting on my question. I also own a 92FS and agree with you completely. The G26,27,19, and 23 are in my opinion as well .... the best of the best.

[@wflccb83]

I like the detail work on the Ruger frame over the Kel tec. Whether its worth $100 is a matter of opinion. For me its a toss, I am more interested in the function of the weapon. I think Kel Tec is a hit or miss company, either they knock it out of the park or they get eaten by the competition on fit and finish and maybe function. Either of these would be a fine 9mm choice.

[@FMAStudent]

Thanks Hickok45, if I could get the Kel Tec in California, I would. As it were, I just Dros'ed the LC9 today. We'll see how it goes. I think it's good to know there is always the possibility of developing one's shooting abilities to the point of getting the most out of any platform. Like you ! haha. Happy Holidays !

[@jtguns88]

To fix the Kel-Tec mag to hold 7 you need to take the mag spring out. It's probably not seated probably. I had the same problem and took it apart and seated the spring properly and it fixed it.

[@jafiwam]

On the PF9 Magazine issue. They come with finger stops, so it's tempting to take the original bottom plate off and mess with it. During re-assembly, it can get bound up in such a way as to sit at a slant on the lip, causing the follower to not go down far enough. Take the bottom plate off and the spring out, then re-assemble and chances are you'll be able to fit 7 rounds in there again.

[@chiefhookumpullum4581]

thank u for the video I got the keltec and so far a dam good lil gun

[@aofd206]

i have a keltec as my ccw and love it very light and concealable. Hickok45 ur video are very helpful and great to watch

[@randomteacher]

The MCARBO trigger and internals upgrade is an affordable must for the keltec pf9.

[@stillborn86]

The Ruger is probably the magazine that can't fit the seventh round in it. That's usually just a plastic piece in the magazine (that holds the bottom pannel in place) is turned around. Five minutes of taking the magazine apart can turn it around and get you the seventh round. Had to do this with mine... works perfectly now.

[@martinwall7297]

no nerd taken, you know your ABC's and do a great review. keep going 45!

[@monkeysize]

Great vid as usual...I still find it hilarious reading comments by people complaining about safety features like the features actually inhibit the use of the gun.

[@brad6479]

Ive been torn between these for a while. Going to the gunstore next week and I think its just gonna come down to which feels the best in hand.Thanks for another good review.

[@MrBigden37]

Hickok45, great review. The thin, small, single stack 9's are very popular. I loooked at both but settled for the Beretta pX4 storm 9mm sub-compact. In the genre of Glock 26, HDm sub-compact, etc.....

[@hickok45]

I emailed Kel-Tec a couple of days ago, and they answered that they would put the new mag release in the mail to me. I'm assuming it's not that hard to replace - I didn't plan on having to become a Kel-Tech gunsmith the first week or two of owning one. :-)

[@aarikc17]

thanks for the review, i don't think Ill get either one now. The deal breaker on the Kel-Tec is the trigger guard. The deal breaker on the LC9 is the weight and safety features.

[@sandman96yzjohn]

I always love your videos. They help me so much!

[@jkbabb]

Great video. Thanks for posting. The first thing I did when I bought my LC9 was to remove the stupid magazine disconnect.

[@KimberTrace]

Great review. Thanks for doing it. I own the PF9. I'm left with just one question .... Why does Kel-Tec say to not dry fire the PF9? I e-mailed them about the issue but got no response. Perhaps others can question them until we get an answer.

[@JackHL]

Good unbiased comparison, thanks. I have a Ruger SR9c and love it but I have not yet conceal carried it. I'm a small guy (I don't even need the pinky extension for the 10 round mag) and it may be a bit too big and heavy but I will probably carry it in the winter and get a pocket gun for the summer months.

[@themrjones]

Oh and the thumb safety. Being a person that sometimes sleeps with my gun on my hip, that extra safety feature is a major plus.

[@Lawrence64]

I know you said Kahr first but a side by side comparison makes it more real. The g26 is a double stack. It's another talk. At least to me. You dis good not coating the others to the G26. Apples to bananas. Awesome channel.

[@BestVideosToWatchTV]

Great review! Today I bought the kel tec pf9 and it was the choice I picked between the ruger lc9. I have small hands and I just liked the way the kel tec felt in my hand with the grip. The ruger lc9 felt like the grip was not for me but the ruger seem to be better made just like you said. God Bless!

[@PISTOLEROS22]

I was trying to decide between the two.....with the mag release and finger pinch problems, I'm going to go with the Ruger....I don't mind having the long trigger pull.....thanks Hickok!

[@nineteenelevenden4138]

Having a great company like Ruger behind your purchase is worth the decision all by itself to choose the Ruger. Their customer service is second to none. I own the LC9 for 9mm carry convenience, and like my SR40C so much, I am going to add the SR9C to my collection of 9mm handguns.

[@sethrefer]

I don't know if Ruger's customer service is any good as I've not had to contact them. Kel Tec's customer service expects you to call with problems; I won't buy another.

[@killer268]

Ruger is amazing, they pay shipping both ways fix it free and you get your gun back in about two weeks. They don't want a bad product with their name on it out there.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Who say Ruger is a great company?

[@spookiehead]

500 rounds with out cleaning with my pf9. when i finally clean it it wasn't because it had any failures, it was because it was getting my shirts dirty when i carried it.

[@twoZJs]

(Cont) 2-2 The students were losing vital time due to the concern with their overly normal long index finger nail. “Ladies cut the finger nail, the nail isn’t worth losing your safety”. They seem to not have the problem as much w/the PC9. HicKok45, Thanks for pointing out the the enlarger of the two trigger guard rings. Very good vid, Thumbs up.

[@kimtate8675]

I have several Kel-tec pistols p32, p3at, pf9, and p40. I have never had to send any back for warranty work. I like them is why I bought them not because they are cheap. My glock mod 23 is great, my baretta 92 is great. my Taurus 709 slim is great. The thing is I carry the Kel-tec p3at, and pf9 because they fit in my pocket and are lite..

[@martinadejaquiz2482]

excellent comparisons and reviews.... really good info here about this as always. thank you! BTW: i really like these comparison videos.... tells a lot side by side which is what i really really like! thanks!

[@ChromeFreak123]

I have owned Kel-Tecs since they started selling them. Although they are pretty much set up the same the P32, p3at and the pf9 the 380 and the 9 have mag. Release issues. Kel-Tec will send you out a new release and spring. I love the p32 but sold the p3at because of that. I can't trust that. I also have dry fired them many many times and never had a problem with anything breaking.

[@brantclark]

Another good video by Hickok45 on the LC9 & PF 9, I live in massachusetts so our only option will be the Ruger when it is approved for sale which a local gun dealer told me will happen. Now about the safeties we don't have much control over that in MA if we want a new gun, but if you read the article in American Handgunner March/April 2011 by Massad Ayoob titled " Safety catch lessons from real-world shootings" you will see a case where safeties have saved police officers lives, good article to

[@MrHardPressed]

Hickok, I make holsters and I have both the LC9 and the PF9. The LC9 will fit the PF9 but not vice versa because the nose on the PF9 is more square. There is a difference on the IWB holster as well because the LC9 has a larger trigger guard. So you have to have different holsters if you are particular about the fit. Also, my hand is smaller, thus, both guns feel great. Finally, When I received my PF9 the extractor wasn't working well. Keltec replaced it quickly and gave me a free mag!