LCS and LEC Summer Playoff Preview - Summoning Insight S4E17 (feat. Crumbz and Larssen)

Summoning Insight is the premier League of Legends esports talk show and podcast.
Join MonteCristo and Thorin with guests Alberto "Crumbz" Rengifo, LCS color caster, and Emil "Larssen" Larsson, Rogue's mid laner, as they discuss the end of the summer splits of LCS and LEC, the upcoming LCS and LEC playoffs, Rogue's third split on top of the regular season, EG's chances at winning a title, and more.
Summoning Insight will be weekly on Mondays for the 2021 Summer Split, so be sure to catch the show live on the Insight on Esports Twitch channel.
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0:00:00 - Losing regular season games for seeding and LCS Playoff format
0:17:44 - Rookie and TheShy retiring?
0:27:48 - Crumbz intro + LCS Playoff thoughts
0:36:59 - Twisted Fate and other meta picks
0:42:04 - TSM discussion
0:57:31 - LCS Playoffs Round 1 preview
1:11:50 - What going to Worlds means for pro teams
1:22:06 - Thoughts on 100T
1:24:53 - Larssen intro + "Rogue Time"
1:32:42 - Larssen and Rogue's improvement for summer
1:43:38 - Larssen's on Twisted Fate and mage itemization
1:47:59 - LEC Playoffs preview
2:05:26 - Comparing Larssen and Rookie
2:11:10 - Can Rogue win the LEC Playoffs?
2:16:54 - Strong coaching in the LEC
2:28:05 - Larssen's thoughts on going to Worlds
2:35:32 - Esports book club + future content ideas
2:41:04 - "Riddle of the Sphinx" for TSM fans
2:47:14 - "Coach of the Split" for LCS and LEC
2:50:19 - Can Peanut and Nongshim make it to Worlds this year?
2:51:11 - EG partnership with Wolves
2:53:39 - Is Astralis's 6-7 man lineup fiction?
2:54:29 - Deleting companies from the face of the Earth
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#LCSPodcast
#LoLEsportsPodcast

[@WiseAlbatross]

The birth of the ‘Three Monkey Theorem’ meme is one of the funniest moments in league. A truly magnificent/fitting name for that cast. Vast improvement over the infinite monkey theorem.

[@narrei666]

where is the link thorin would say he would provide?

[@narrei666]

@@WiseAlbatross ty very much. im left speechless after this

[@MageKirby]

@@WiseAlbatross holy shit

[@abdulrahmanbothkr7798]

@@WiseAlbatross thank you so much 😂

[@JustROFLGaming]

Larssen has gotten a lot better at talking and giving answers then previously, props to him

[@BON3SMcCOY]

I've been dealing with a bunch of stressful BS all summer and Thorin talking about TSM getting stomped definitely helps

[@lastfreenation]

Hey, hope things are getting better for you. Glad we can provide a little entertainment when things are tough!

[@marlowe5511]

Content can definitely help, I would recommend getting into basketball podcasts if you like Thorin's content, similar vibe and tons of qual content

[@cosmicalian]

@@lastfreenation Just don't go on a hiatus again ;) I too use this podcast as background noise while I do mundane work. Makes my room feel less lonely at times

[@Ghisteslohm139]

Love to see how confident Larssen is on shows these days. Cool to see his development as a player and a person. Cant wait to see him in playoff and on the big stage in worlds!

[@Kongaii]

Yes! I was almost expecting this episode to be a bit of a dud from what I’ve seen from Larssen in the past but he’s a completely different way more confident person nowadays and I love to see it

[@gabifergsson5166]

Larssen counter: walls

[@layor47]

years can go by but this show just getting better and better !love the content thanks for suffering youtube for us

[@ethangilworth7891]

Always enjoyed these back in the day. Glad to see you guys at it on a regular basis again

[@ethangilworth7891]

I think it’s interesting that Monte and Thorin don’t believe Spica is an MVP player. His playstyle is very reminiscent of Score, as is his current team environment

[@Sup4ast4r]

You guys were made to be informative and entertain. Great stuff as always

[@cepheus9856]

I'd actually watch any content with both of you covering other topics outside esports, may it be movies, TV shows or books or other things. I try to watch other talkshows and it's just not for me.. While I can watch this without skipping anything. Thanks for still putting out Summoning Insight. I hope more sponsors come your way, I remember Thorin would have so much fun with his sponsor promotion spin before, it was funny.

[@kurtmcfc1629]

anyone got a link to the VOD that will "heal my soul" not a despot so i'm not on twitter

[@phazecat446]

The first 5 minutes of DL, Meteos and Sneaky talking about the infinite monkey theorem was accidentally fascinating. DL starts off sorta kinda almost getting it, but Sneaky just went "nah man" so hard that the doubt started to settle over all three of them

[@awareclueless]

If it was true rng i would believe it, but with a monkey?? Naaaah

[@kv222]

@@awareclueless lol even this guy doesnt get it

[@Dolo888]

The funny part is that monte and thorin think its relevant in today’s culture and not understanding that they aren’t the defining generation any longer when they talk about going to college so you can participate in a conversation about nothing.

[@phazecat446]

@@kv222 it's a quote from sneaky

[@Verlisify]

2:42:00 topic also gets me. I have over 5,000 videos made over 8 years. Maybe 60 of them are exposing people in the Pokemon community doing bad things. When I make one of those rare videos I get tons of comments from people going "You are ALWAYS so negative, this is why no one likes you" even tho I am reporting on a fact about someone else's horrible behavior that needs to be exposed. Those commenters almost always display hypocrisy in their comment by ignoring the negative behavior I'm calling out of the person they like then lying about how I'm only about negativity. People are insane

[@beatsbydr.draven1932]

Yup it's absolutely bonkers you're 100% correct. The problem is fans these days worship whoever they are fans of to the point where they wouldn't have a second thought about burning down the house of anyone who disagrees with their, "God." Absolutely insane

[@brunococcia1126]

LMAO Verlis pls. No one likes you because you can't admit defeat when you're disproven. Gtfo.

[@Verlisify]

@@brunococcia1126 never disproven lmao. stay ill

[@RagtimeDandy]

I think it’s the tier 2 tower gold increase that also makes TF a little stronger. Having that control now leads to even MORE gold to a winning side lane that TF can camp to get ahead.

[@albertruster7089]

The first segment made me remember the og "are you here tommorrow big?" Scarra interview

[@husseinpoliphilo]

Where's the link ?

[@PassivesAbseits]

Wait... C9 now complains about benching your stars, when they wanted to check out what K1ng looks like earlier in the split? Let 100 Thieves do the same...

[@reysolo3672]

Thank God for the future lit content.

[@ShadoooWzZ]

Great episode

[@Arukania]

Vitality « not so apes in scrims » :D thank you for the good laugh

[@jevonscantlebury9834]

Technically G2 finish 2nd MAD is only because they had the most championship points from spring

[@ryanmatthews5771]

Just saying, while I am a huge TSM fan and have been for 8 years, I recognize there are numerous issues with them. Even if they win, I don't have faith they will do well at worlds.

[@ryanmatthews5771]

although I think this is the best TSM since 2016 or 2017

[@giannidavies3594]

Fair take well done mate

[@abel3515]

How can any team be expected to ‘do well at worlds’ if they lose to TSM. What backwards logic is this? “They are the best in the league but the other teams will do better at worlds” haha what??

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@abel3515 It's probably because what works in LCS may not work well at worlds. For LCS it's actually consistent for their 1st seed to do quite poorly relative to their other seed.

[@ryanmatthews5771]

@@abel3515 where did I imply anyone else would do better/well at worlds if they lost to TSM?

[@Xavyer13]

XD the ginger fight

[@DnDandVideoGames]

I just watched to DL, Sneak, Meteos clip and just before they talked about the monkey, they were talking about low information people, and man is that like the pot calling the kettle black.

[@gin8432]

Even though Faker's level is far from his peak, if this split where he's had a resurgence, even with lots of shakiness on his org ( players and coach swapping, terrible drafts , poor level of all the player except Keria) where he is putting good numbers in and out of lane and even being close to the top standings in the MVP race and with Rookie having arguably his worst split ever, I find quite surprising that you can make it so obvious one is currently better than the other, even more if that one is supposed to be Rookie...

[@AONTrappy]

Rookie and Faker are in the same position pretty much these days where their team is pretty bad. Except Faker has been relegated to play stun bots/support mids for his unreliable top/jungle for the entire season.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@AONTrappy Eh not quite. Your last part is 100% true when Danny was drafting. Faker being stuck on Karma/Lulu duty for Cuzz is a sight for sore eyes. For the most part Faker has been the MVP for T1 and his laning stats are #2 (chovy #1 of course).

[@SimpleReally]

of all the mid laners in NA, PoE is the one I'm worried the least about when it comes to getting destroyed by elite mids. meanwhile you have perkz getting schooled by the japanese team midlaner

[@DDD-wz1gy]

Agreed. Guys had okay games against Knight, Chovy, and Faker. Obvs it’s not good enough to just be “okay” but atleast he never got destroyed in laning or anything like that.

[@jandreoli4298]

I mean probably abbedagge to no? I’ve seen him gap caps before and caps has done really well internationally

[@MrNoobthenub]

@@jandreoli4298 I would hesitate to use transitive property through caps lol

[@jandreoli4298]

@@MrNoobthenub why

[@jandreoli4298]

@@MrNoobthenub he also has out classed humanoid, Poe himself, Larssen? So where’s the issue

[@vondo560]

Idk why thorin doesn’t think spica is mvp caliber it seems likely he wins it. TSM would be no where without him.

[@myweapons8445]

Two of them, kissed by fire. Beautiful.

[@bojnebojnebojne]

You want to be as little in lane as you possibly need to without falling behind. If you are not in lane it's another variable the enemy need to account for.

[@kyleallen22]

As a fan and purely watching for entertainment value the role swap shit is FAR more entertaining than seeing the academy team int a game away. Thats just my view from someone who coaches sports having your starters still in game but a scenario thats clearly more relaxed before playoffs is very beneficial to have a fun game while still needing communication, etc

[@doge4855]

Looking forward to using weedmaps while enjoy that upcoming show :)

[@MrLowbob]

larssen was a nice guest

[@emilsvensson9495]

Did peanut choke, or was it just Kuro?........

[@rockdalianninja1056]

It’s coaching staff of the split, they changed it

[@BZ2308]

Time Stamp of Monkey Theorem Comment: 12:30

[@giannidavies3594]

Like Larsen in this big up

[@josephhiggins1070]

The weedmaps idea sounds fuckinh ridiculous, get that sponsorship 🤣🤣😭😭

[@jackwish420]

Wolverhamptom hurts my soul lmao

[@Habeev07]

2:13:06 legit confidence or famous last words

[@ilcavalieredellupo4339]

1:28:00

[@mike9512]

Thanks for the advice...I'm gonna go give my views somewhere else...

[@grone1778]

Crumbzz is always a great guest on this show.

[@Habeev07]

1:16:46 XD TSM face logo too.

[@CorporalPancakes]

The bible is an extremely historically accurate book. Much of what we know of the region is corroborated by it.

[@sjoerddz]

Not sure when this was on either crackdown or SI, but Larssen is so much better than last time its almost unreal. edit: It does feel like he forces himself to talk a lot and then he kinda forget what he was going to talk about though.

[@DanikonLUK]

One thing to consider about the monkey theorem is that zero times infinity is zero. In a billion years the monkeys have a zero percent chance of even getting 1 coherent sentence from smashing a typewriter.

[@ironspartan117]

you cant multiply by infinity. the whole thing is about limits and possibilities.

[@thomasmuller546]

"it's a good possibility that gg kicks teamliquid out of playoffs" Prophet crumbz 😁

[@duartenalves]

1:55:20 oh no, who's going to tell him?

[@lSullstar]

Find it odd how down Crumbz is on 100T considering they went 7-2 against TSM/C9/TL. He even goes as far to say they have worse coordination than TSM, even though 100T are the only real team who have win conditions in every position on the map

[@peefish]

Sneakyy, the Karl Pilkington of LOL streamers

[@craneteam87]

i tried to watch that vod but couldnt handle it. wildly dumb lol

[@Nanorox]

Monte... Dom would know. "The brain trust" is just using their brain for higher thoughts. Deeper existential questions obviously.

[@Snootz86]

Rookie is probably the 2nd best player of all time.. Theshy on the other hand is/was a bit overrated crazy peak end of 2018 to msi 2019.. but it wasn't long enough to be up there with Rookie/Faker/Uzi etc.. reminds me of a guy like Ronaldhino.. a guy who had the skills to match/beat Messi/Ronaldo.. but nowhere near the consistency.. dedication or longevity of those 2

[@denissinner4625]

Uzi is second imo, even if he never won worlds.

[@micahm2844]

@@denissinner4625 fpx uzi 2022 no worries

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

If Monte was even HALF as smart as he thinks he is he could solve world hunger, talk Kim Jong Un into reunifying with S.K., discover Atlantis, develop faster than light travel, expose the Iluminati, AND balance WoW PVP. All in a weekend.

[@florisbackx1744]

2:20:00 TSM fans, listen to this guy and learn,

[@johnnycage112]

No reseeding? That's dumb

[@DanikonLUK]

48:20 actually, for summer split, eg went 18-9 and tsm went 15-12

[@broccoliwobbles]

TSM, EG and 100T all had 18-9 record for summer.

[@nuraby_9228]

Speaking of Charles Barkley min-maxing and analytics, it's hilarious that his true shooting percentage is around 61% despite Barkley being arguably the worst 3 point shooter in the history of the NBA with the lowest percentage of anyone with at least 1000 3 point attempts lmao

[@ironspartan117]

Rookie and Theshy to NA???

[@humanoid8344]

Thorin and larssen slowly becoming friends 👀🤭😅

[@saintinho]

Ginger power

[@Wizardi1111]

1:16:11 Hilarious

[@Eckilisk]

Thorin is raising the 2nd generation of "ginger man bad"

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

If people want to talk about disrespect in the league its not teams resting players before playoffs, its teams like GG and FLY being cheap as fuck and not fielding rosters that can compete and better the region. Or lets talk about CLG IN GENERAL as a fuck up org for 5 years.

[@andrewajaime]

Season 4 repeat feat crumbz again, tsm wins playoffs dejavu

[@joaovieira4785]

Tactical best champion is Kalista and its not even close, how don't they know that?

[@Michael-wj1sg]

Remember that Wolves are owned by rich Chinese guys.

[@rowan2828]

I think taking a US military sponsorship could be considered problematic due to their extensive history in warmongering, destabilizing regions, toppling foreign governments and the millions of deaths that they have directly and indirectly caused. Maybe not to you or your country's culture but there are definitely people who've felt the impact of the US military negatively who could find that much more egregious than a Saudi sponsorship due to the damage and harm the US has done globally compared to the Saudis.

[@nuraby_9228]

I love Monte and Thorin, but it's funny how they split hairs and make distinctions when it comes to the US Military and their atrocities, but lump Tencent and all the heinous shit the Chinese Government is guilty of under one umbrella. And then talk about values and being true to them lmao

[@Zeroyue622]

Tsm got 0-6 in world but they got big deal with ftx

[@johnnycamine]

The discussion about the Infinite Monkey Theorem and DL not knowing about it was very interesting. People not knowing about that sort of thing really just comes down to education, and the family you were born into. My parents would tell me about things like the Monkey theorem when I was really young, so I just happened to get exposure to that sort of thing, which helped develop a lifelong habit of learning. Not everyone has that same experience. I think it would be generally helpful if you guys did explain some of your references a bit more, that said, you both already do a great job of that, this show is insanely educational on all kinds of topics and you both love to flex your knowledge in general. TL;DR your show inherently appeals to a more generally educated crowd, but you still appeal to the plebs and teach them.

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

That's cool that your parents did that for you. For me idk I guess I just got lucky that the type of people and content I listened closely to (that were not my parents) did give good basic explanations for these kinds of things. And if I'm curious enough I will always look at Wikipedia.

[@PassivesAbseits]

@1:14:00: isn't it impossible to motivate LCS players... because... well... if they were really motivated to do well and not just there for the paycheck, they would be playing in the LEC... Or stayed in China/Korea.

[@marshallclifton1329]

Sneaky just literally does not understand the concept of infinity, and it’s hilarious.

[@sleven8013]

Larssen has gotten more confident I agree, but most of his comments are either binary answers or parroted from the questions. While his own reflections are just reddit narratives all over again: “thorin u hate fnatic that’s why you don’t think they’ll get trough” “monte you love rotations”

[@leakimskorsdal1339]

Calling the audience idiots simply because we dont breathe twitter and lol for a living was a nice touch to lose viewers. Gj.

[@Pigraider268]

Jokes aside, I really fell asleep during LCS section

[@EE-ig5uo]

lol spica is actually MVP favorite

[@AadetTube]

If you’re a tsm fanboy yeah.

[@DDD-wz1gy]

@@AadetTube actually no. Peter Dun, Phreak, MarkZ, Azael, Tim Sevenhuysen, Emily Rand and many more have already made their vote for Spica MVP. Other analysts such as LS have also stated that Spica is the best player in the League. You just sound like such a delusional hater rn.

[@humanoid8344]

@@DDD-wz1gy they haven't, those people are professionals and wouldn't announce their vote before it's casted. They may have alluded to it, but there's no way they have made their vote public if they even voted yet *edit: nvm I'm retarded

[@MrNoobthenub]

@@humanoid8344 Its part of a commentator's profession to openly discuss who they would vote for lol. The unprofessional thing would be to lie/troll about it.

[@DDD-wz1gy]

@@humanoid8344 okay, go watch the Dive? Yeah Phreak already said who he’s voted. As has Peter Dun on Twitter.

[@BadgerUKvideo]

I know a 2000AD guy if you need a talking head.

[@joaovieira4785]

How many issues does Thorin have in the head to speak to Larssen like that

[@MrThunderFx]

God bless the CCP

[@NemoTheBeastGamer]

Lmao TSM fans 😂

[@treyadams1]

i've watched lec games just as much of a shit show. actually more of a clown fiesta over there.

[@LegendJoe3063]

COPIUM ANALYSIS 😂😂😂😂

[@TheAsdqwe888]

"You'd have to be crazy to think Faker is better than Rookie right now" what?? Faker has had a pretty good season so far and him and Keria have easily carried the most amount of games for T1, he's problaly the 3rd best mid in the LCK right now. Rookie on the other hand has been pretty mediocre, maybe 7th-8th best mid in LPL. Monte again talking out of his ass

[@Fortune02]

Pretty good season compared to what?

[@TheAsdqwe888]

@@Fortune02 Compared to the average player. Faker has carried T1 in multiple series this split, has mostly strong stats, even based on eye test most analysts will tell you that his level of play this summer has been the best in a few splits. Overall it would be fair to describe him as a roughly 3rd-4th best mid in the league and ~8-12th best player (mid is stacked in LCK as always). Now obviously he's not playing at his prime level, but that's completely besides the point. The point is that Faker has been better than Rookie this year and only someone who watches 0 LPL/LCK would make a comment like Monte did.

[@gin8432]

@@TheAsdqwe888 Plus the fact that he's had to take a huge leadership role on a team fielded with rookies , shotcall most likely a lot , and he's still putting great in lane stats and being key in mid late macro decisions , not he's best split by any means but if u talk about IG's problems , idk why they don't talk about T1 the whole player and coach swapping for almost 2 years now and yes , Rookie is a monster and has been for many years, but if we talk about teammates quality Faker's had some terrible player at many times in his career and even in his best years he didn't have many all time greats alongside him. Talking about Rookie being better by default seems lazy to me, watch the damn games alteast.

[@RumandCocaine]

@@TheAsdqwe888 i mean, yheah if i had to bet against one another i would take rookie. Faker hasn't still shown that he's anything but what lck's level of play is right now, meanwhile lpl is cutthroat almost every game. But this is one of those pointless arguments.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@RumandCocaine Rookie has been playing hot garbage since 2019 summer. People 100% do not watch LPL. The rookie shtick has been the same thing. Play for lane kingdom while taking all resources. Said champion does not help in team fights. Lose. Faker laning stats have been very good. #2 in CSD and GD@15. LPL isn't cut throat. With 17 teams it's a lot easier to look decent yet Rookie still looks hog wash garbage.

[@keithlee1543]

Man I wanted to watch this but Thorin's malding monologues about TSM are really just too much.

[@Agaryunaer]

Man led the crusade against them and won. Let him vent and enjoy the show.

[@RumandCocaine]

@@Agaryunaer he will eat his words when tsm wins worlds this year💪😎

[@loumenad]

@@Agaryunaer haha won what again? Did TSM not get a $210M sponsor due to Thorin?

[@egozocker14]

So cringe when Montes start talking about tf and everfrost as if he knows anything ingame related. Just talk about narratives and other stuff like thorin instead of trying to flex your league knowledge which is very low anyway.

[@jourdansarpy4935]

Monte used to be one of the best minds in the scene. The issue is, while he was gone, people with actual in-game knowledge have filled the game. He came back to LoL and hasn't adapted to being just a talking head. He still looks at himself as an in-game knowledge expert when he really isn't. League has long gone past the point of being able to consider yourself a top knowledge person when you no longer play the game.

[@egozocker14]

@@jourdansarpy4935 that's why I like thorin. He never claims to be that super smart analyst. He knows his role and fits it very well. Monte is trying to be someone he just isn't and everyone can see it

[@RemixkingDystansy]

stupid question: let's assume that Monte does not anything about the league, who is going to get players to go directly into specific about champions and matchups without giving us the same answers. By Monte saying the baseline level of knowledge it allows/forces the player to give deeper knowledge

[@m4ng4n]

@@egozocker14 he does have good takes IMO, it's just before it was 99% good takes and now it's about 60%

[@egozocker14]

@@m4ng4n maybe in season 3 lol

[@radom-cw2ey]

Didn’t know that Monte is such elitist ... 😕😕😕

[@RumandCocaine]

And, this is news? Or what do you mean by elitism, watching only the best sport matches or irl?

[@radom-cw2ey]

@@RumandCocaine Regarding the necessary knowledge of what he thinks it means to be educated in today’s world. It came up at the beginning of the show when they were talking about the monkey theorem.