LEAF SPRINGS VS. 4 LINK! The ULTIMATE Comparison ~ PRERUNNER 101

[@WingsWorldChannel]

Thank you for all of the support on this series! Lets see if we can do 600 likes on this video and if you are interested in some apparel, head over to www.wingsworldproduct.com !

[@Prestiged_peck]

Which one of these would be easier to tow , say, 5k lbs on a newer truck with? I want to build a truck for baja that can still tow my mustang to the drag strip

[@haydnreycraft7193]

Honestly you are a blessing for those of us that don’t know everything about pre runners.

[@kjfuson92]

Agreed. Im just starting to materialize a prerunner build out of a twin i beam ranger.. And the more i research the more i realize i dont know aaaanything about offroad suspension.. 10 year ase master tech lol This channel was a great find for me

[@thanedogg]

me: I'm gonna link it! *goes price fuel cell* ... *goes to check price of leaf springs*

[@kings_nemesis5995]

Kibbietech makes a short course link kit that keeps the rear frame so you can keep the stock gas tank but its for silverados raptors and I think tundras and tacomas

[@thanedogg]

@parkerbethke I was thinkin good deavers and massive bypasses but tomato-tomáto

[@tfsamrtguy]

Dirt king does a 4-link the retains the factory fuel tank. It's cycles about 21" travel.

[@hasooni997]

That awkward moment when the suspension system costs more than your truck

[@Rays_Bad_Decisions]

That's most of the trucks at the races it's kinda funny

[@danielson2454]

LMFAO

[@Brandon-to9vp]

Not awkward at all lol

[@jermbob92]

Something someone would say whos not into motoring hobbies.. any category will spend more on the components than the vehicle. These vehicles are not investments for fiscal profit or return but a return in happiness, passion, satisfaction.

[@station08]

Not awkward...FUN !

[@kennygp2004]

Love these videos! Just bought a 2012 Silverado with the 5.3L v8 one owner 60,000 miles in San Diego. Going to build it and I'm new to all of this, so these videos help a lot. Please keep the videos coming and keep up the great work!

[@cencoast_7.340]

Hopefully you have a lot of extra cash!

[@flawlessvictory_yt7941]

@@cencoast_7.340 ikr. Trying to prerun my 2005 silverado right now. Suspension is gonna be at least 5k

[@flawlessvictory_yt7941]

@@cencoast_7.340 Turns out the front by itself was 6k and not for a lot of stuff

[@robp418]

@@flawlessvictory_yt7941 shit adds up quick. Looking at like 20k to longtravel an 01 sierra I just bought and that’s leafs and not including an axle swap.

[@bradenbackes9272]

@@flawlessvictory_yt7941it’s so funny to me that you came beck to this

[@davidtrujillo3212]

I met your brother last week at down south motorsports while picking up my shocks. Really cool guy, humble personality.

[@ryannylander1819]

Excellent fundamentals here for those looking to start a build. Solidifies my past choice to stick with long travel leafs for now and forgo the massive expenses associated with a 4-link setup. I'll stick with my leafs for now and continue to max them out. Appreciated the real numbers too and also mentioning the other costs not included, and it's often times, the shop time and hidden expenses that get away from us when we start a build. Well done explaining such.

[@MotorBoating1413]

Wow just wow!!! Bud I have to say that in about 20 minutes you’ve given more information than I’ve seen in 20 hours or more of KZbin videos. At first I thought you would bore me to death but nope not once was I distracted or bored very well done. Extremely knowledgeable. You covered so much in a short period of time and I was able understand what you were talking about thank you so much I’ll be subscribing. I live in the midsouth and have always wanted a pre runner. No I don’t have desert but I do have fire roads turn roads and back roads to burn down. So thank you. Keep it up. Seems that each video is just going to keep getting better. Very impressed

[@countryboy44555]

As someone who is about to begin work on a 11-14 F-150 prerunner next year, this was very helpful. Thank you!

[@SolidusSnaje]

This was a very good video for someone like me who has not a clue as to what any of this stuff meant and is going into building a truck blind I had a guy who has the same truck as me (2002 ford f150 supercrew 2wd) that I should go for a "short course 3 link" setup so anything I can learn from these videos is a huge help

[@jonniessink1]

I wanted to do a prerunner setup on my dads 99 f150 extended cab 6 3/4ft bed 2wd. It had the 4.2 v6 so I would've needed a better engine. But it also had 425,000 miles on it before it died and he sold it😔.

[@nitroxide17]

RAM/jeep trucks use basically a 4 link (plus track bar) setup. The new F-150 raptor is also a 4 link plus track bar setup in the rear. They do sag more with towing but the ride quality is generally pretty good.

[@Boogaloo_Baloo]

Some days ago, I got really high and watched the 1st video. Today, I got kinda high, and this video came across my screen. What a perfect time.

[@guerorobles423]

I’m high watching rn too.

[@ayronlocklear8544]

I’m very new to the prerunner world, and I’ve been planning out a 93 ranger build where I wanted to use beams and deavers. These videos and the ranger series are helping tremendously. Thank you 🙏

[@sealclubber1383]

Bruh, I almost NEVER watch a video over 5 min. I watched this whole thing and was super riveted the whole time. Awesome vid

[@carrieanntipton8308]

One way to save cost on leaf springs. Using Chevrolet leaf springs 88 to 98 cedonia and Sierra pickups 1500. Look up TSR which is the ranger station they have a good article on the swap for the class 7 trucks. I am running them on my Class 8 and getting about 18 to 20 in a travel. There's still a lot of old school tricks of the trade that make a big difference and helps cut down the cost. I love the videos like to see a video on the roll cages. Different styles and the Dom tubing sizes for the weight ratio for their different classes of vehicles. Looking forward to seeing more videos

[@pattch613]

Would be interesting to see a unequal length vs equal length. I remember you guys mentioned the one regret you on the f150 was not doing equal length beams

[@1familyxj]

Yes. A short course setup video would be awesome.

[@steveramirez1654]

Congrats on the 20k!

[@LostSasquatch]

Prof. Wings World, Dirt 101 class! good stuff dude.

[@secret222]

Would love an educational video on different rear ends!

[@realbudgiesmugglertwohatsb2611]

People like yourself make you tube the best excellent articulated... Nice one ...

[@bromotorsports2817]

Awesome vid! Constantly improving and building, good job guys! Keep adding cut scenes of your examples while you lecture, it really helps get your point across. Thanks for all you do!

[@MrBlackbutang]

Glad you put experience opinion out there with options ❤

[@-smp-scientificmethodpersp838]

The intro actually matched the title and thumbnail. Wow, I'm not used to such quality on KZbin!

[@martin1234512345]

It's amazing anyone still uses leaf springs. 4 link with coilovers will always be king in my eyes

[@xaviero426o]

Thanx for the info this is the most comprehensive vid on youtube not doing a truck but the info still applies not in all the areas but it gives me a great understanding on what to expect!!! Invaluable information!!!

[@cliffcampbell8827]

I had no idea a 4-link setup was that expensive, however if I were to build a dedicated high speed off roader, I'd definitely go with the 4-link.

[@robertocastellanos9140]

Got a good vibe from this guy as soon started talking.

[@mdevidograndpacificlumbera1539]

Cool Video, I have a 1996 f250. It's a work truck, but I'd like to upgrade the suspension to a 4link. I know NOTHING about these sorts of things, I'm a contractor and never got into trucks when I was younger. Would it be possible to reach out to you guys to help me set up a parts list for a SICK 4link suspension, with air springs ? I found a kit from RYD, Would you reccomend them?

[@headlesnorseman701]

How do these trucks do in mixed Offroad? Like some rocks/hill climbs/mild mud? I want to build something of a hybrid as we don’t have dunes here. And I’m not shelling out for a raptor. Always wanted to do a long travel s10 or ranger with a one ton rear axle (the widths have to match for me lol) just looking for some input on people with experience. I’m new here but loving the channel so far

[@shakenbake11]

yes we need a short course video!

[@TDSG34]

wow! This is sooooo good! It would have taken me forever to try to figure this out myself. THANKS!

[@brentbucher1923]

Wish I had of seen this video before... I was missing a few things I didn't know about and due to that I almost wrecked after jumping a set of huge tracks, thanks for the knowledge man

[@bassist21685]

Great video. I’d love to hear more about how different differentials work. Open, limited, Detroit, tru trac, lunch box and spools. 8.8 vs 9, c clips and eliminator kits, Chevy 8botlts, 14botls. Difference between a mini spool vs a full spool? What are c clips? What is a floater? How do locking hubs work? How much does it all weigh? Hows that effect handling? What is a carrier? Is an e locker worth it? Why does the same differential use different lockers is it was factory lsd vs open? What’s the best locker? What’s the best rear end? Budget vs performance? For junk yard rear ends maybe even mention drum vs disk? What to look for at the pick a parts?

[@WingsWorldChannel]

I don't currently know the answers to all of those questions but I have some for a few. Once I start to learn more about rear ends I will make a video!

[@michaelcnaegle]

Please do a video on the best project trucks for a pre runner build

[@Pantaro2007]

really great video especially for someone like me who lives in ny and just wants to build a fast truck(buying a 08-13 silverado next week) to drive all year round. it's not like we have deserts or prerunners rolling around over here lol clearly i need to move to the south west already!

[@eugenethomas7080]

I’d like to hear your opinion on the Sterling 10.25 rear end, weld the tubes to the diff housing, just as strong as the gym 14 bolt. I have a 97 f250 8ft single cab 250 not much content on these beauties.

[@imjustbored97]

building my ranger slowly. this video definitely has helped me determine which route i want to go for the rear end. appreciate this mint content

[@hunterjackson802]

Watch part two of gunpowder and gasolines video on there prerunner ranger, may help u decide

[@bartbarnett2811]

You forgot to mention the super cheap full float option. super heavy but it works f350s f450s are all full float. But need to be regeared and still super heavy. It's a lot of heavy rotating Mass.

[@Boogaloo_Baloo]

This was a great video. I think I understand which route I want to take. Leaf spring for me. I like using the bed for shit and I need the hauling capability.

[@rodfatherschopshop6004]

This is a fantastic channel! You go into great detail on the many details with these pre runner truck. Keep it up!

[@andrejg8058]

All your videos are awesome! Very cool of you to share the knowledge👍

[@oddcarsandbaddecisions]

I really appreciate the educational nature of these videos, but I love the fab videos too! Nice job guys!

[@DriveWayMafia]

Can I still tow with ether setup? I want to build my f150 but still need it for a work horse some days

[@bobbyshaftoe]

great overview! I gotta go see if you did the shortcourse 5 link stuff!

[@landonrivers8830]

Definatly would enjoy the short course to lead spring video

[@chriscannon4289]

Thanks for the awesome information. This definitely helped me decide how I should build my rear end.

[@outdoorexplorationgear5070]

awesome video guys! id love to see more info on the 5 link set ups. maybe a walkaround of a truck with one on it. im interested to see how much side to side movement would happen between droop and bump

[@chuckter99j12]

I know people are gonna laugh but I’m 13 and I really wanna save up and build a pre runner so honestly this really helps with what I should do to it and what I shouldn’t do

[@HankAttack89]

Love your channel, I’ve been watching for a while and I definitely appreciate the educational videos. As someone who is new to off-road trucks/ prerunners I’ve learned a lot watching you guys. Keep up the great work. Hopefully you make some hats and stickers soon 🤘🏾🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@WingsWorldChannel]

I am so glad these videos help, thank you for the comment. I have some stickers made, just need to get some photos before they go for sale. Haven't though about hats but that would be cool!

[@tptrsn]

I would love to see that explanation of short course suspension versus leaf spring setups.

[@glennlapres3769]

I would love to see a video of short course links vs leaf springs. The fuel tank relocation scares me to not do a triangulated 4 link

[@J.E.Designs]

Can you guys go over shocks more in depth? Like when do they need to be serviced and what is best for what application.

[@WingsWorldChannel]

I want to do a video on that!

[@shannon3931]

@@WingsWorldChannel Is that a 5 lug Tacoma in the beginning? It looks a bit tinier and compact than the 6 lug prerunner/4x4

[@Gannjo93]

I loved this video. Grows the knowledge and the community even if most of you guys know it....I dont. I'd love a video on the housing comparisons. This was super helpful.

[@Dirtydenadan691]

I have a 78 bronco gonna be used on trail and mud holes mostly. Some beach crusin and a little climbing. Do u think 4 link or leaf setup

[@alextaylor8900]

You didn't mention the bedcage cost needed on the leaf spring setup. Especially running a 3.0x18" bypass in the rear.

[@blakesmith1500]

Awesome video dude! Appreciate you taking the time to go through all the technical details and explain things so everyone can understand.

[@Goinbig]

Good job, would have loved to see more shots or frame work and suspension as you talked about it.

[@somebody5206]

No way! The trucks finally done

[@drewzombiez]

Nice video man. I'm just getting into Off-Roading and trying to learn as much as I can about suspension setups, cage setups, front end and which truck I want to go with. I was planning on getting the gen 2 Raptor which supposed to already be setup for going Off-Road but, as I learned a bit more I was concerned about the leaf springs on it and I really like the "gliding" over the whoops and the longer travel that 4 links provide. I know the new Raptor coming out is a 5 link setup which caught my attention but, the rest of it looks a bit feminine in my opinion. The Gen 2 looks a more robust to me. I also like that they're making an option for a 37 model. I wanted to do 37s on the Gen 2 but, to do it right I've seen that you pretty much have to toss the stock suspension and I really don't want to throw away fairly new parts just to stick 37s on the truck and pay even more just so that the truck can function properly. I appreciate the facts first and then your opinion as well at the end.

[@cpt.moroni3092]

I’m limited to leaf springs for my class builds. NORRA Pioneer and legends. In Legends I can add 2 links to it. I’m also limited to 2.0 shocks.

[@andrewmanning9859]

I’ve seen the trucks down in ocotillo, great vid 👍👍

[@haydnreycraft7193]

Please do a short course/five link vid!

[@blackbeard308]

Pretty spot-on tutorial if y'all had a Parts Warehouse I'd buy my parts from Wings world

[@crbullet8259]

Loving these lectures! Helps me with my own build.

[@Flexxyachty]

This video helped ALOT. Thank you

[@FS-uy1no]

Soooo I have an old samurai and I like driving fast offroad... Leaf springs in the front and back. This will be fun😂.

[@blkteg95]

Is there any chance you can go over a cantilever set up to add onto this video?

[@sbranham86]

Quick question, what’s the benefits in going with a full size over a ranger? I’m a Jeep guy and I’m looking at swapping over to a pre runner build and was looking at rangers

[@JacobMcClain-yb5ui]

do you need a bypass for leafs? can you just do piggyback resivoried

[@devanwxyz]

could you discuss the short coarse rear end, thatd be sick, thanks!

[@alanmeadows4056]

Let me pick you brain. I have a 1980 k10 that ive 1 ton swapped. I have leaf springs both front and rear. Its going to go everywhere, but mostly on the road. Id love to run some deavers in the rear, what are my options for the front leaf springs? are there long travel springs i can do for the front too? 12 inch travel is the goal.

[@chuckplainview4085]

Is a 2 link comparable to what people sell as traction bars?

[@thatoneguyfromupstreetkind7537]

Keep up the educational videos brother! These are awesome!

[@jase1911]

Awesome video definitely would love to see you do a video about the floater custom rear ends

[@kennethporst1738]

Oh I'm using this for road racing

[@g-low6365]

is it possible to build a 4 link for a on/off truck? maybe with less travel, but keeping the cargo area clear. i have an old shortbed f100 and would like to build it as an off road capable truck. but it has to also be able to be decent on road. any place worth of visiting down here is 200+km away from home.

[@bobhenderson4703]

Can I get a list of companies you order all these parts from? Im wanting to turn my ranger into one

[@nikolasescuza2]

Short course vs leaf spring 🙏🏼

[@TimberWolf429]

Another question, what about starting with a 1 ton chassis? So if I where to buy an OBS F-350, and wanted to use the stock Sterling 10.25 rear axle, would it still be too weak, or would it be strong enough?

[@dobermanracing]

10.25/10.5 is similar strength to a 14 bolt but with a shorter pinion snow which allows for a longer drive shaft. 10.25/10.5 doesn't have as big of a gear and locker selection. A 1 ton platform will be very heavy and require very expensive shocks to control it.

[@horaciodelgado5765]

Hey I have 1993 Ford F-150 with a 6 inch lift with 35 tires I want to make the rear more softer ride what leads do I need to get

[@BushkillRider]

What do you think about a Cantilever setup with coilovers? For the '98-11 style Rangers?

[@Xiaopang5544]

That was such a good explanation dude you killed it! Good job. I’m just starting out and trying to learn about this stuff.

[@sholland42]

This reminds me why I keep my Taco pretty much stock.

[@daltonjimerson5952]

What was the name of the leaf spring company?

[@ttt69420]

It's more about the shock than anything else. I think with a nice, tuned, 3 way shock you can get similar performance to deal with the progressiveness of a leaf spring. That's why you can always feel it, it gets overly stiff under compression. You just don't get the stability, geometry, or linear spring rate of a coil. Plus a custom spring pack is expensive and a headache. A 4-link is definitely better in every way, but I think performance is the least of them. That said there's really no reason to put money into a leaf setup now that link conversions are so common and documented.

[@1familyxj]

I love the channel. Keep up the great work. One of my favorite channels.

[@Miguel-nt8bx]

Good informative video hombre. Keep it up. Where’s the short course video??? 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@ilikechipsonmysandwich]

Keep this up!

[@matt23727]

Nice titan

[@alekoni9010]

Great vid, I'm bearly getting into prerunners and your vids are very informative 👍

[@crazeguy26]

I going to get softer shocks install poly bushings and call it done.

[@Chris-zp6eh]

Great video man. Good information.

[@Ziegenland.russia]

Cool car! Greetings from Moscow! I would like car like this to drive on our sometimes terrible roads! How much could be price for this car? Thanks for your effort!

[@taylorh955]

How would a ram 3500 axle, would that be good, I plan on doing something similar but with bags and four link on my truck

[@cyledaeges8100]

Maybe I’ll just go back to circle track racing lol didn’t realize even a basic setup was so $$$$ the fab aspect has really got me into prerunners lately but damn my pocket book ain’t that loose haha. Great vids though guys!

[@TehShawns]

Do your rear end strength comments apply to a Sterling 10.25 or Dana 80?

[@CaptainJustify]

How do you know how much to pre load a spring?

[@jonniessink1]

Next project idea since you guys are doing alot of Fords. How about an 99 to early 2000 f150 with the a-arm front suspension.

[@aleemrahim6846]

Where do I buy leaf spring set up for 08 tacoma

[@dennisholle1005]

Cool video Thanks for the info.