Math Olympiad | A Nice Algebra Problem | Find the values of X

[@is7728]

Let h be x + 1. (h + 1)^4 + h^4 = 17 h^4 + 4h^3 + 6h^2 + 4h + 1 + h^4 = 17 2h^4 + 4h^3 + 6h^2 + 4h - 16 = 0 h^4 + 2h^3 + 3h^2 + 2h - 8 = 0 When h = 1, the eqn is satisfied. ∴ x = 0 h^3 + 3h^2 + 6h + 8 = 0 When h = -2, the eqn is satisfied. ∴ x = -3 h^2 + h + 4 = 0 h = ( -1 +- √(1 - 16) ) / 2 = -0.5 +- √15 i / 2 ∴ x = -1.5 +- √15 i / 2

[@xyz9250]

If had to go through expansion why not just expand the original equation and solve it directly? But here is how I did it. (x+2)^4 - 1 + (x+1)^4 - 4^2 =0 …. Will get x = -3 and 0 pretty quickly, then use the formula to get the two solutions of complex numbers

[@oahuhawaii2141]

*complex numbers

[@xyz9250]

You are correct. Edited

[@oahuhawaii2141]

That's a nice way to factor the quartic equation! (x+2)⁴ + (x+1)⁴ = 17 = 2⁴ + 1⁴ (x+2)⁴-1⁴ + (x+1)⁴-2⁴ = 0 ((x+2)²-1²)*((x+2)²+1²) + ((x+1)²-2²)*((x+1)²+2²) = 0 (x+1)*(x+3)*(x²+4*x+5) + (x-1)*(x+3)*(x²+2*x+5) = 0 (x+3)*[(x+1)*(x²+4*x+5) + (x-1)*(x²+2*x+5)] = 0 (x+3)*[ x*Σ + 1*∆ ] = 0 (x+3)*[ x*(2*x²+6*x+10) + 1*(2*x) ] = 0 (x+3)*[ 2*x*(x²+3*x+5 + 1) ] = 0 2*x*(x+3)*(x²+3*x+6) = 0 x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 Most folks would the sum of differences of 4th powers by pairing like terms: (x+2)⁴-2⁴ + (x+1)⁴-1⁴ = 0 . And the next step will reveal x can be factored out easily. But that leaves a cubic polynomial -- it may be hard to find x+3 as a factor to reduce that down. By pairing the counterintuitive way [(x+2)⁴-1⁴ + (x+1)⁴-2⁴ = 0], factor x+3 is removed first, leaving the cubic polynomial that's easily reduced by factoring out x. This is useful when someone creates a challenge with the sum of the 4th power of consecutive integers: 0⁴+1⁴=1, 1⁴+2⁴=17, 2⁴+3⁴=97, 3⁴+4⁴=337, 881, 1921, 3697, 6497, 10657, 16561, ...

[@maximcoroli8306]

17 = 1**4 +2**4 or (-1)**4+(-2)**4 х+2=2, х+1=1 => x=0 x+2=-1, x+1=-2 = x=-3

[@СалохиддинФазлиддинов-е5м]

Is here anybody, who automatically calculated that x=0😂😂 Being honest, I didn't watch till the end, because I already thought that 2^4+1^4 equals to 17 And second x equals to -3

[@laoxian899]

Yes, at the first glance one can get the two results, since both parentheses must be 1/-1 and 2/-2.

[@abbasmasum1633]

The goal is to learn how to apply several rules of algebra to find the solutions. This channel is the best there is and PLEASE stop offering guess and check solutions. He's connecting the problem to so many profound concepts. I truly like his methods and if they are too long, then at least offer a better way.

[@professorsargeanthikesclim9293]

Did you also find the complex solutions?

[@robertloveless4938]

I did. Had the number NOT been -1, 0, or +1, I would have worked it out. But a quick inspection worked this time.

[@heikelawin3771]

Natürlich! Diese Lösung springt einem ja mit 'nem nackten Ar... ins Auge!!!!

[@henkn2]

It might be helpful not to the use the same letters (a, b and c) with different meanings (first a = x + 2 and b = x + 1, later they are used in the equation ax^2 + bx + c = 0). Furthermore the non-real (complex) solutions have been skipped

[@opulence3222]

Very confusing procedure.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

He's going for obfuscation. The direct solution is faster, and less prone to mistakes.

[@ashkanshekarchi7753]

Explain the solving strategy and ideas rather than a long confusing mechanical calculation

[@oahuhawaii2141]

His obfuscated way is unnecessarily complicated. It's faster to do the binomial expansion and solve: (x⁴ + 4*2*x³ + 6*2²*x² + 4*2³*x + 2⁴) + (x⁴ + 4*x³ + 6*x² + 4*x + 1) = 17 2*x⁴ + 12*x³ + 30*x² + 36*x + 17 = 17 x⁴ + 6*x³ + 15*x² + 18*x = 0 ‡ x*((x + 3)*x² + (x + 3)*3*x + (x + 3)*6) = 0 x*(x + 3)*(x² + 3*x + 6) = 0 x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 { ‡ In the original equation, the values in parentheses work for 2⁴+1⁴ and (-1)⁴+(-2)⁴ . Thus, we know x = 0 and -3 . We know x and x+3 are factors. } In general, a² - b² isn't a perfect square. ∆ is called the "discriminant". At 07:20, he can complete the square: z² + 2*z + 1 = 9 , z = a*b z + 1 = ±3 z = -1 ± 3 = 2, -4 There's no reason to reject the complex solutions.

[@jenskluge7188]

since x=0 is a solution we can already factor that out, and for polynomes of degree 3 there are formulas. if there is another obvious solution the problem can be further simplied to a 2nd degree polynomial.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Yes, there's another obvious solution. The exponent is 4, an even number, so ± bases yield the same value. (2)⁴ + (1)⁴ = 17 , for x = 0 (-2)⁴ + (-1)⁴ = 17 But the terms must be swapped to match the equation: (-1)⁴ + (-2)⁴ = 17 , for x = -3 Thus, x and x+3 are factors of the quartic equation. The missing factor is a quadratic polynomial that yields a complex conjugate pair of roots, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 .

[@joiceroosita5317]

Mine is more simple. (x+2)⁴ + (x+1)⁴ = 17 [(x+1)+1]⁴ + (x+1)⁴ = 17 example ; y = (x+1) (y+1)⁴ + y⁴ = 17 y⁴ + 4y³ + 6y² + 4y + 1 + y⁴ - 17 = 0 2y⁴ + 4y³ + 6y² + 4y - 16 = 0 2(y⁴ + 2y³ + 3y² +2y - 8) = 0 Lets find the factors of y Using polinomial Factors of y⁴ + 2y³ + 3y² + 2y - 8 = 0 (y - 1) → y = 1 → 1+2+3+2-8 = 0 (ok!) (y + 2) → y = -2 → -8+12-12+8 = 0 (ok.!) The others y = i So, we get y = 1 and y = -2 (y = x+1) y = 1 x+1 = 1 → x = 0 (check ok.!) y = -2 x+1 = -2 → x = -3 (check ok.!) So, x = 0, -3

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Factor out x and x+3 to leave a quadratic equation. You can easily get the complex conjugate pair of roots, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 .

[@oahuhawaii2141]

It's faster to do the binomial expansion and solve. Your obfuscated way is unnecessarily complicated. In general, a² - b² isn't a perfect square. ∆ is called the "discriminant". At 07:20, you can complete the square: Z² + 2*Z + 1 = 9 , Z = a*b Z + 1 = ±3 Z = -1 ± 3 = 2, -4 There's no reason to reject the complex solutions.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

(x⁴ + 4*2*x³ + 6*2²*x² + 4*2³*x + 2⁴) + (x⁴ + 4*x³ + 6*x² + 4*x + 1) = 17 2*x⁴ + 12*x³ + 30*x² + 36*x + 17 = 17 x⁴ + 6*x³ + 15*x² + 18*x = 0 x*(x³ + 6*x² + 15*x + 18) = 0 x*((x + 3)*x² + (x + 3)*3*x + (x + 3)*6) = 0 x*(x + 3)*(x² + 3*x + 6) = 0 x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@AlexMarkin-w6c]

Let y=x+1.5, then (y+0.5)^4+(y-0.5)^4=17 (4y^2-9)(4y^2+15)=0; y=+/-3/2 and y= +/-isqrt(15)/2. If y=x+1.5, then x=-3, x=0, , x=-1.5 +/- isqrt(15)/2

[@is7728]

2^4 + 1^4 = 17 (-1)^4 + (-2)^4 = 17

[@salamoujda3651]

thanks bravo!

[@thomassidoti5496]

Its a 4th degree equation. Theres 4 solutions. You missed the two complex solutions; x= (-3/2) +or- (radical(15)i/2). This is an OLYMPIAD question. Those solutions belong there

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@walterwen2975]

Math Olympiad: (x + 2)⁴ + (x + 1)⁴ = 17; x = ? Second method; Let: y = x + 3/2, a = 1/2; (x + 2)⁴ + (x + 1)⁴ = (y + a)⁴ + (y - a)⁴ = 17 (y ± a)⁴ = y⁴ ± 4ay³ + 6a²y² ± 4a³y + a⁴, (y + a)⁴ + (y - a)⁴ = 2y⁴ + 12a²y² + 2a⁴ = 17 2y⁴ + 12(1/4)y² + 2(1/16) = 17, 2y⁴ + 3y² + 1/8 = 17, 16y⁴ + 24y² + 1 = 136 16y⁴ + 24y² - 135 = 0, (2y)⁴ + 6(2y)² - 135 = [(2y)² - 9][(2y)² + 15] = 0 (2y)² - 9 = 0, (2y)² = 9; 2y = ± 3 or (2y)² + 15 = 0, 2y = ± i√15; y = x + 3/2 2y = 2(x + 3/2) = 2x + 3 = ± 3; x = 0 or x = - 3 2y = 2(x + 3/2) = 2x + 3 = ± i√15; x = (- 3 ± i√15)/2

[@oahuhawaii2141]

(x + 2)⁴ + (x + 1)⁴ = 17 We see x = 0, -3 are 2 of 4 solutions. We'll use them for factoring. Let y = x + 1 to ease the work. (y + 1)⁴ + y⁴ = 17 y⁴ + 4*y³ + 6*y² + 4*y + 1 + y⁴ = 17 2*y⁴ + 4*y³ + 6*y² + 4*y - 16 = 0 y⁴ + 2*y³ + 3*y² + 2*y - 8 = 0 (y - 1)*(y³ + 3*y² - 6*y - 8) = 0 (y - 1)*(y + 2)*(y² + y + 4) = 0 y = 1, -2, (-1 ± i*√15)/2 x = y - 1 = 0, -3, (-3 ± √15)/2

[@walterwen2975]

Math Olympiad: (x + 2)⁴ + (x + 1)⁴ = 17; x = ? Let: y = x + 2; y⁴ + (y - 1)⁴ = 2y⁴ - 4y³ + 6y² - 4y + 1 = 17 2y⁴ - 4y³ + 6y² - 4y = 16, y⁴ - 2y³ + 3y² - 2y - 8 = 0 (y⁴ - 2y³ + y²) + (2y² - 2y) - 8 = 0, (y² - y)² + 2(y² - y) - 8 = 0 (y² - y - 2)(y² - y + 4) = (y + 1)(y - 2)(y² - y + 4) = 0 y + 1 = 0, y = - 1; y - 2 = 0, y = 2 or y² - y + 4 = 0, y = (1 ± i√15)/2 x = y - 2: x = - 3; x = 0 or x = (1 ± i√15)/2 - 2 = (- 3 ± i√15)/2 Answer check: x = - 3: (x + 2)⁴ + (x + 1)⁴ = (- 1)⁴ + (- 2)⁴ = 1 + 16 = 17; Confirmed x = 0: 2⁴ + 1⁴ = 16 + 1 = 17; Confirmed x = (- 3 ± i√15)/2: y = x + 2, y² - y + 4 = 0, y² - y = - 4 (x + 2)⁴ + (x + 1)⁴ = 2(y⁴ - 2y³ + 3y² - 2y) + 1 = 2[(y² - y)² + 2(y² - y)] + 1 = 2[(- 4)² + 2(- 4)] + 1 = 2(16 - 8) + 1 = 17; Confirmed Final answer: x = - 3, x = 0, Two complex value roots, if acceptable; x = (- 3 + i√15)/2 or x = (- 3 - i√15)/2

[@NNaween]

Nice explanation @naweenraaj

[@is7728]

Maybe this better? Let h be x + 1. (h + 1)^4 + h^4 = 17 h^4 + 4h^3 + 6h^2 + 4h + 1 + h^4 = 17 2h^4 + 4h^3 + 6h^2 + 4h - 16 = 0 h^4 + 2h^3 + 3h^2 + 2h - 8 = 0 When h = 1, the eqn is satisfied. ∴ x = 0 h^3 + 3h^2 + 6h + 8 = 0 When h = -2, the eqn is satisfied. ∴ x = -3 h^2 + h + 4 = 0 h = ( -1 +- √(1 - 16) ) / 2 = -0.5 +- √15 i / 2 ∴ x = -1.5 +- √15 i / 2

[@oahuhawaii2141]

@is7728: It turns out that no substitution is faster and less error-prone. Upon inspection of the original equation, the values in parentheses work for 2⁴+1⁴ and (-1)⁴+(-2)⁴ . Thus, we know x = 0 and x = -3 . We know x and x+3 are factors of the quartic equation. Factor them out to leave a quadratic equation for the complex conjugate pair of roots, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 . (x⁴ + 4*2*x³ + 6*2²*x² + 4*2³*x + 2⁴) + (x⁴ + 4*x³ + 6*x² + 4*x + 1) = 17 2*x⁴ + 12*x³ + 30*x² + 36*x + 17 = 17 x⁴ + 6*x³ + 15*x² + 18*x = 0 x*((x + 3)*x² + (x + 3)*3*x + (x + 3)*6) = 0 x*(x + 3)*(x² + 3*x + 6) = 0 x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@is7728]

@@oahuhawaii2141 But your factorization from cubic to quadratic eqns is quite subtle to notice

[@oahuhawaii2141]

The polynomial coefficients used in synthetic division, with annotations: 1 6 15 18 / 1 3 = 1 3 6 1 3 { 1 3 * 1 _ _ } 0 3 15 18 0 3 9 { 1 3 * 0 3 _ } 0 0 6 18 0 0 6 18 { 1 3 * 0 0 6 } { 1 _ _ + 0 3 _ + 0 0 6 = 1 3 6 }

[@E.h.a.b]

Let y = x + 3/2 (y + 1/2)^4 + (y - 1/2)^4 = 17 (y^2 + y + 1/4)^2 + (y^2 - y + 1/4)^2 = 17 [ (y^2 + 1/4) + y ]^2 + [ (y^2 + 1/4) - y ]^2 = 17 [ (y^2 + 1/4)^2 + 2 y (y^2 + 1/4) + y^2 ] + [ (y^2 + 1/4)^2 - 2 y (y^2 + 1/4) + y^2 ]=17 2((y^2 + 1/4)^2 + y^2) = 17 2(y^4 + 1/2 y^2 + 1/16 + y^2) = 17 2 y^4 + y^2 + 1/8 + 2 y^2 - 17 = 0 2 y^4 + 3 y^2 - 135/8 = 0 y^2 = (-3 +/- √(9 - 4 * 2 * (- 135/8)))/(2*2) y^2 = (-3 +/- √(9 + 135))/4 y^2 = (-3 +/- √144)/4 y^2 = (-3 +/- 12)/4 y^2 = (-3 + 12)/4 = 9/4 //y^2 = (-3 - 12)/4 < 0 so it is rejected y = +/- 3/2 x = y - 3/2 = +/- 3/2 - 3/2 x = (0, -3)

[@Altair705]

I made the same variable change. You could have developped faster by using the binomial expansion method: (a+b)^4=a⁴+4a³b+6a²b²+4ab³+b⁴ It was even possible to skip the calculation of the terms in y and y³ by noticing that if y is solution then -y is also a solution, so only the even powers of y would remain. Best method in my opinion.

[@ramesankd1604]

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[@thomaslangbein297]

What did we learn?

[@稲次将人]

2^4=16だからX+2=2 X=0 (-2)^2=16だからX+1=-2 X=-3 ∴X=0,-3

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@稲次将人]

I think there are no imaginary numbers in our would.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

@稲次将人: Complex numbers are needed in STEM fields, such as physics, electronics, and math.

[@yiutungwong315]

Real Number X = 0 and (-3) 16 + 1 = 17

[@santer70]

And about the unreal solutions ?

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Too complex for him perhaps?

[@davidthomas1467]

Why are you making this so bloody complicated. It's crap like this that made me fail Algebra 2 in HS. I find your videos maddening.

[@Yureka-ox5jn]

So cool thanks

[@learncommunolizer]

Thank you very much!!

[@Yureka-ox5jn]

Your welcome😀

[@hakanerci4372]

X=-3 (-3+2)⁴+(-3+1)⁴=17

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@nasrullahhusnan2289]

Note the special contion here. As 2⁴+1⁴=17 and the power is even then the sign of 2 can be + or -. Similarly the sign og 1. Both can be the same sign, or not. And x is found accordingly.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

His obfuscated way is unnecessarily complicated. It's faster to do the binomial expansion and solve. It turns out that no substitution is faster and less error-prone. (x⁴ + 4*2*x³ + 6*2²*x² + 4*2³*x + 2⁴) + (x⁴ + 4*x³ + 6*x² + 4*x + 1) = 17 2*x⁴ + 12*x³ + 30*x² + 36*x + 17 = 17 x⁴ + 6*x³ + 15*x² + 18*x = 0 ‡ x*((x + 3)*x² + (x + 3)*3*x + (x + 3)*6) = 0 x*(x + 3)*(x² + 3*x + 6) = 0 x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 { ‡ Upon inspection of the original equation, the values in parentheses work for (2)⁴+(1)⁴ and (-1)⁴+(-2)⁴ . Thus, we know x = 0 and x = -3 , and that x and x+3 are factors of the quartic equation. Factor them out to leave a quadratic equation for the complex conjugate pair of roots, x = (-3 ± i*√15)/2 . }

[@umranbayndr4150]

x=0,x=-3

[@catchbook4268]

0 / -3

[@peterlangdon6043]

To be honest....videos like this tend to put students off mathematics by making it seem more complicated than it actually is....the 2 real solutions are easily derived by inspection....given the length of the video, I thought the 2 imaginary roots were going to be derived. We should be trying to teach mathematical instinct rather than complicated 'recipes'.

[@joekfwu1]

17 = 1^4 + 2^4, so (x+1)^4=2^4, (x+2)^4=1^4 then x = -3. what is he actually doing?

[@oahuhawaii2141]

His obfuscated way is unnecessarily complicated. It's faster to do the binomial expansion and solve. It turns out that no substitution is faster and less error-prone: (x⁴ + 4*2*x³ + 6*2²*x² + 4*2³*x + 2⁴) + (x⁴ + 4*x³ + 6*x² + 4*x + 1) = 17 2*x⁴ + 12*x³ + 30*x² + 36*x + 17 = 17 x⁴ + 6*x³ + 15*x² + 18*x = 0 ‡ x*((x + 3)*x² + (x + 3)*3*x + (x + 3)*6) = 0 x*(x + 3)*(x² + 3*x + 6) = 0 x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 { ‡ Upon inspection of the original equation, the values in parentheses work for (2)⁴+(1)⁴ and (-1)⁴+(-2)⁴ . Thus, we know x = 0 and x = -3 , and that x and x+3 are factors of the quartic equation. Factor them out to leave a quadratic equation for the complex conjugate pair of roots, x = (-3 ± i*√15)/2 . }

[@CharlesChen-el4ot]

X=0; Don't do it stupidly ?! 2 power 4 = 16 1 power 4 = 1 Thus 16+ 1= 17

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Upon inspection of the original equation, the values in parentheses work for 2⁴+1⁴ and (-1)⁴+(-2)⁴ . Thus, we know x = 0 and x = -3 . We know x and x+3 are factors to the quartic equation. Factor them out to leave a quadratic equation for the complex conjugate pair of roots, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 .

[@ramesankd1604]

പ്ളീസ്കോറെഡ് utharm

[@Duc_Tung]

I solve it by other method.

[@edwardwang7929]

Immediately guessing, x=0.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@rgrinnell]

X = 0

[@asdcuganda7572]

Just know I got lost😂😂😂😂

[@Bertin-q3y]

X=0 et.....

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@丁爸爸-w3f]

一秒钟做出来，0和-3.还有其他解么？

[@lthakur92411]

no

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@개귀엽-f6y]

식을 보면 3초만에 답이 나오는데?

[@darliney]

풀이과정은 이해못하나 암산으로 -3나옴

[@blue_white1759]

Only 2 secands x=0 and -3

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@blue_white1759]

@@oahuhawaii2141 forr x€R 👍

[@leungwingman2061]

用二项式定理啦

[@КатяРыбакова-ш2д]

0; -3.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@ЛекаКузнец]

ОТВЕТ: Х=-3

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Equation: (x+2)⁴ + (x+1)⁴ = 17 ... is equivalent to: 2*x*(x+3)*(x²+3*x+6) = 0 ... which means: x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 .

[@makotekmachineautomationte9380]

Ardışık 2 sayı toplamı 17. 9+8= 17 uğraşmayın bu kadar😊 şaka yapıyorum

[@angelarhule4239]

I tried this 1st, got the answer in5 seconds, my god his procedure is very confusing, don’t understand a thing he’s doing, kmt 🤦‍♀️, y this long procedure?. One math problem should never take so long, very confusing, u turn off ppl from math

[@oahuhawaii2141]

You didn't find all 4 roots in 5 seconds.

[@박봉추-i7n]

0

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Equation: (x+2)⁴ + (x+1)⁴ = 17 ... is equivalent to: 2*x*(x+3)*(x²+3*x+6) = 0 ... which means: x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2 .

[@lifeofheaven-co4fr]

Teacher passed over imaginary number. There are 4 answers

[@angelinazheng9386]

0。

[@oahuhawaii2141]

x = 0, -3, (-3 ± i*√15)/2

[@TWJRPGGamming]

0