Learning about Pelinal Whitestrake - Literal Elf Exterminatus

[@ghrondindustries5136]

Note about the "it's all a dream" thing. Very important distinction. This isn't actually like other stories where at the end you wake up and realize none of it was real and none of it mattered. In Elder Scrolls, *your character* is not the one having the dream. You are *also* a figment of the Godhead's dreaming psyche. If you react to that by thinking "oh so none of it matters" then you're right, and erase yourself from existence. If you react to that by thinking "so the only meaning is the meaning I make for myself" then you're right, and gain godlike powers.

[@cristodemonte1690]

And the second option i think is what make our character op in most game, or at least give us the potential to be op.

[@Usagi33353]

It's also implied the player, not your character, is the Godhead and is experiencing the dream through the characters we play.

[@zeehero7280]

Well you have to think it so hard that most mortals can never do it. the latter is CHIM

[@zeehero7280]

@@Usagi33353 Shoulda quit while you were a god-head

[@david2728]

It's actually Todd who is the Godhead, or Toddhead

[@V_Lazlo]

Elder scrolls lore is wacky and I love it. If you want to dive deeper I recommend either fudgemuppet or drewmora as good lore channels

[@MichaelRainey]

Camelworks also has some in-depth lore videos.

[@chewthulu1004]

Elder Scrolls lore is incredible...and frustrating...and confusing...and rewarding. It takes a while to figure out the terms, so don't feel too overwhelmed! I know I'm a month late, but I thought I'd give you a little support in learning more about this stuff! The time travel stuff is an interpretation of the texts we have access to in the games, and considering that the Elder Scrolls' writing leans heavily into "unreliable narrator" territory we can't truly believe everything we read as fact. Which is frustrating and confusing. But there's still some incredible stuff in here. Like snow whales and the whole amaranth thing.

[@scutula]

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate Elves since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for Mer at this micro-instant. For Elves. Hate. Hate. -Pelinal Whitestrake, Resident Homosexual Robot

[@hebercluff1665]

"I understood that reference"

[@ayzekpie9432]

You won't fully understand how powerful Pelinal is until you watch "Pelinal (animated opera)". Fun elf slicing

[@Yuki_Ika7]

agreed!

[@DinsRune]

ONE-MILLION-SIX-HUNDRED-AND-TEN

[@EduardLaser1989]

allinall is a genius!

[@arkarite1707]

TES lore has basically two tiers just like the Bungie rabbit hole: the normal one where you got your Daedra and their planes, the elvish gods, dynasties, empires of men and of elves, how the dwarves dissappeared, the akulakhan and so on. And then there's the actually eldritch one, with things like CHIM ("this is all a dream so I can lucid dream"), Zero-sum ("this is all a dream so I am not real"), what Numidium actually is (When you give the God's Heart new life and it keeps screaming [NO]) and so on

[@Sintarzus]

CHIM is "i am an NPC, manifestation IN the dreaming mind, and fuck you, i can be lucid regardless" Zero-Sum is "i am just a figment of a sleeping mind, i was never real"

[@zeehero7280]

@@Sintarzus I think therefore I cant possibly be real because thinking isnt real!

[@SRMC23]

About the whole Empire space program thing: the cosmology on Elder Scrolls is very reminiscent of early medieval takes on the night sky so the Mundus which is the plane where the whole planet exists is encased inside a larger sphere separating it from Aetherius(the realm of the gods and other spirits) and the stars and the sun are just holes on that shell, the gods of Nirn(the planet) after creating the world became spheres around it, so imagine if Jupiter, Mars, Venus and the like where the manifestation or remains of the actual Grecoroman Deities in material form. Magic seeps from Aetherius via the Sun and stars like water or wind and permeates the inner space between the spheres and the planet so the Empire at one point decided to finance an expedition using Magical ships like the "Sunbirds of Alinor" to visit the outer spheres beyond the planet. The expedition was a success and brought pieces of the god spheres that were added into an Orrery but the project as a whole was short lived because the costs to mantain spaceflight required copious amounts of Magicka(the equivalent of Mana on this setting).

[@joshjames582]

Also the Imperials probably rode on giant moths and/or dragons and the Elves probably rode on giant birds made of the sun and/or dragons.

[@VieVentar]

To explain how weird Elder Scrolls Lore is: A magical maguffin that appears in Skyrim for a fairly major quest may in fact be a remote-piloted space mining drone thrown back in time by weapons that work on breaking reality as an explosive. Said drone took with it copies of its, multiple, operators minds - giving it major personality issues along with milenia of knowledge of the future. Various people interacted with it over the milenia, some times leading to it being known as a great sage, wich, queen and eventually getting locked into the depths of a wargrave. & We cannonically know that Khajiit males have barbs. They don't put that book into the newer games, but its' there in Daggerfall. The second of these is fully cannon, the first just comes from one of the writer's notes.

[@jetpilledmyron2056]

Wait, hold on, I hadn't played the main quest in ages, what is the first one ? Also I'm pretty sure the barb one is present in Skyrim, gonna check it again

[@maybeliveisntthatbad7338]

​@@jetpilledmyron2056Eye of Magnus, I presume

[@azurehorizon6097]

The AI voice meme that Pancreas was referring to was the voice of the Awakened Lord of the Sixth House, Lord Dagoth Ur, he's a Chimer Lord (Chimer are the Dark Elves but before they had golden skin instead of the dark skin they have now) who became a god-like being with the Heart of Lorkhan which was mentioned in this video, he was also pretty close to achieving Chim, before the Nerevarin made him vanish in TES Morrowind. If you do intend to continue looking into TES in the future, I'd recommend watching a video detailing Dagoth Ur, he's a pretty cool character, plus his voice is amazing too. to think otherwise is a grand and intoxicating innocence!

[@jefrosiers8880]

quick fact, Aedra and daedra are elven names for the spirits, the Aedra (the divines, the gods mortals worship) are "our ancestors" in elven, spirits who helped in the creation of the mortal realm, giving up a lot of power doing so, the daedra, "not our ancestors" were spirits who did not aid in creation, they made their own realms in Oblivion, they kept all their powers though and since they like playing around with mortals this can be a bit of a problem

[@marley7868]

granted uh they are abit less powerful in broad scale since yunno don't matter how tough you arfe if akatosh decides you will finish your sword swing at the end of time

[@burnttoast26]

Welcome to Elder Scrolls lore, where the cat people have a moon colony that they first reached by making a ladder of themselves, the Empire has moth spaceships, there were elves that were so sadistic it would make the Dark Eldar blush, there are sentient trees from another universe that can use 16th-dimensional mathematics as a weapon, and of course there's the one-man elf exterminatus from the future that's also a gay robot

[@jetpilledmyron2056]

Rule of thumb: never kill the power bottom of a walking elven holocaust, you may end up regretting it. Also let's not forget that future gay cyborg kept screaming the name of a guy who's dad fucked a hill and from that was born a dude

[@Cosmic-Sorceress-17]

The more I actually go and look into Elder Scrolls lore, the more plausible my heavily modded mage campaigns feel: I've done characters from basic druids and clerics to mages manipulate the cosmos, daedric librarians, dream eating illusionists, a cryomancer/shaman with a wind spirit keeping her alive, and a literal technomancer/artificer. And even my comparatively simpler characters had so many fancy tricks due to the mods I found. Elder Scrolls is a wild setting and I love it so much. I miss modding Skyrim.

[@jefrosiers8880]

From Lorkhans trick, Malacaths humiliation and the devil of Dagoth there is SOOOOOOOOOOO much to learn about the elder scrolls lore

[@JetBalrog]

Don't even get me started on the Dwemer lore and everything they discovered. All that clockwork...

[@theenderdestruction2362]

And sheogorath

[@hermaeusmora424]

Don't forget CHIM & Amaranth.

[@silverdust4197]

There is a theory , that Pelinal Whitestrake is a take on Player Characters . As in , he is a lore representation of a player character from the other characters perspective . (maybe more on the murderhobo side , but not by much)

[@dhalterman]

Without going too into the weeds, the entire Elder Scrolls setting exists as a dream in the sleeping mind of a Godhead. This is almost never acknowledged in-universe, and even more rarely directly. CHIM is what can happen when a person in the dream realizes they are a dream. More often, the realization causes the person to doubt their own existence, and subsequently they are erased from ever having existed. If they manage to retain their sense of individuality, they achieve CHIM, which allows them to manipulate reality like how you can manipulate your dreams while lucid dreaming. It's also the explanation for mods iirc.

[@borbarad2.0]

Great now even the Mods have a lore explanation.

[@christianwright5813]

Elder Scrolls lore is wild and definitely worth looking into

[@Daveo3]

Should be important to note that Lorkan himself, as a god, hated elves too, every time the elves started to get all upity in ES lore that the other races cant defeat themselves, an Avatar of Lorkan has shown up to slaughter the elves back into their little corner of the world I also like to think that the DB is one such Avatar on top of being the technical last born son of Akatosh because im clearly supposed to go on elf murder sprees if im allowed to use an axe made specifically to kill elves

[@hermaeusmora424]

Elder Scrolls lore is great. It is super whacky at times, but that is why I love it, as it doesn't shy from breaking away from the classical fantasy lore. It also is quite in depth, which most people who just play the games probably don't realize. And if my name doesn't give it away, if I ever could get isekai'd into a setting I would chose the TES setting.

[@gwendolynsnyder463]

In my Fantasy worldbuilding, the Schizophrenic lake tribe worships a moon goddess named Moon Moon. The reason the lake people are schizophrenic is because Moon Moon, due to being young, doesn't have the vision she dishes out under control, and people are getting delusions instead. However, Moon Moon isn't a terrible person. To make up for that blunder, she sacrifices a buttload of her powers to give people crazy strong buffs.

[@ambionest]

I really like the TES setting. And pelinal is an interesting character for sure.

[@NumbingDisasterAnon]

TKED - Total Knife-Ear Death

[@Sovahni]

Best way I can put it: Elder Scrolls on the Surface: Wow this setting seems fairly generic but there are a few gems here and there. Oh look a dragon *runs off into Skyrim's wilderness* Elder Scrolls Lore once you start digging: Imperial Space Programs, entire races erased from existence, the various Kalpas, the enslavement and casual racism of EVERYONE versus EVERYONE, the achievement of Godhood, the achievement of C.H.I.M, the Void...IT HUNGERS, Dragon Break retcons and entire timelines being erased, Ancient Cyborg Time traveling immortal warriors...and that's just the tip of the iceberg...

[@MMAddict39]

Remember lads, get yourself a girl who loves you as much as Pelinal hates knife ears and you will live in eternal happiness.

[@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium]

That's just a yandere

[@joshjames582]

*as much as Pelinal loves his favorite femboi hoplite, Huna.

[@lop90ful1]

This is a classic of elder scrolls lore, im so glad to see a reaction to this from this channel i would love to see more reacitons to elder scrolls lore

[@NamedNameless1]

Personally, I recommend Double Negative's series on Elder Scrolls lore if you want to know the basics. They're very concise while still being informative and easy enough to follow. If you want to dive deep on specific characters, Ghostcharm is a solid recommend. I especially love his Sheogorath, M'aiq, and Saint Jiub videos.

[@ericbyo9472]

The entire elder scrolls universe is the dream of some slumbering supreme god. If a character within the universe can come to understand this (achieving chim), they gain control over reality and ascend to godhood.

[@danthedamning7210]

And if they can't accept this they zero sum, disappearing from existence. God I love how confusing the lore can be

[@generationphoenix4854]

if you want to learn more about pancreas's hate for the Elves of TES-Universe,i recommend his video on ''The Great War''.

[@zeehero7280]

In Elder Scrolls, Mer are Elves, and all their relatives which includes Orcs and Dwarves (who no longer exist in the world and were just Deep Elves who loved science)

[@captainservoofzetasquad4509]

I recommend the Pelinal Whitestrake animation/song by AllinAll, which you heard a part of at the end of the video.

[@exorikk]

Yooooo. Thank God someone else reacted to this, and thank God it was you.

[@silverdust4197]

Ah , Pelinal Whitestrake .

[@1Hexxer]

Elder Scrolls lore is one of the deepest lore pits in existence

[@Kaijudomage]

Eight million six hundred and ten...

[@zeehero7280]

Whether I like or hate elves depends on the elf. I'm much more a fan of Half-Elves who have both human and elven heritage. Closest thing to that in Elder Scrolls are Bretons who are a race of men with mer blood in them from their ancestors, the combination gives them short lifespans but immense magical talent.

[@vexile1239]

I think that depending on the magical strength of the individual Breton they can lengthen their life spans by decades, one example of a man with a long lifespan is a Tharn from the second era, I think he reached 170+ years and he is not a Breton but an imperial

[@getektuvzu29]

Lore TES is veri veri veri cool and meta stuf

[@TheLegitWeebs]

That's what it seemed like to me. I never knew about any of it till this video.

[@silverdust4197]

"Fun"? fact about Alied elves (the ones that got overthrown and are now extinct) : One of there past times was flesh sculpting . Yeah , i will leave it at that , because they where on that Drukari juice .

[@jalejablonsky2396]

Reminder to everyone reading the comments: Elder Scrolls is a setting where some guy thought to write in flying whales over Nirn's landscape and shoot out white stuff that the creator said was basically cocaine.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

Skyrim lore is basically like looking into sheograths mind, a complete and utter clusttruck of a mess and the lesst wacky of em all is the fact the dovakiin aka the dragonborn who is a nord who can shout moutaind apart and might be the second largest chunk of the dragon god of time akatosh and who is the one destine to kill alduin the first born of akatosh and world eater cause his whole job is to eat the world at the end of time is somehow the least wacky person here and no I'm not kidding also the elfs are comepletly horrible and the only thing worst then the thalmor (high elf nazis no im not kidding) is the heartland elfs or the Ayleids who were so much worst that the gods had to send down this guy to deal with him and then the champion of cryodil, hero of kvatch and sheograths replacement had to deal with the final one and finished him by fighting him over the capital of the entite empire and we're still not getting into chim, zero sum or god forbid we talk about the godhead

[@punkypony5165]

Love elderscrolls lore so much even if I hate Skyrim

[@silverdust4197]

Highly recommend "The people of Tamriel" video on KZbin

[@marley7868]

worth noting the aelid kings may very well have lost the fight against pelinals head given pelinals body being cut into peices and the kings getting away is only in the more pro slave queen telling so please note his head might have beaten those guys

[@fewglow5076]

Dagoth Ur is the ai voice meme.

[@absp2006]

Ahh, you should see his High Elf video, too, lol.

[@Desgaroth]

hm... you know now that i have informations of Pelinal being somewhat of a time traveler, it could give some context to what the next Elder scrolls would have in its story. Since Skyrim had so many instances of the Empire and the Elfes basically saying that the Empire will lose the next war against the Elfes and that they only gather strength for the next battle, it makes me think that the next game will be in a time when the elfes fought again and won. Maybe as part of the mainquest or for the mainquest your side developes the spell to send someone back and it might be your quest to find the person who will be most suited for that special mission. maybe it will send the first one back too far and then they send you back as the second person, but to the time shortly after the elfes started the war that ended it all. But don't mind me. That was just some tired brainstorming.

[@SSG_Meathook]

If you do delve into more elder scrolls, just brace yourself, it can get real crazy.

[@justkuba4679]

26:38 propably Lovecraft mythology with azathoth

[@Everhardt94]

Well, this is a pleasant surprise. Glad to see you got introduced to the noble Saint Pelinal, Tamriel's greatest hero. And, yeah, Elder Scrolls lore is quite deep and convoluted, with a lot of contradictions.

[@Mare_Man]

So noble that Alessia had to constantly beg the Divines to forgive his actions so they wouldn't abandon her cause out of disgust

[@Everhardt94]

@@Mare_Man It's hardly Pelinal's fault that the gods are squeamish.

[@FriendlyArchpriest]

I usually like (Urban/City) Elves over humans, but that's because humans usually don't have a beautiful elite subsect of magical super humans... A fantasy people that would take the place of Elves for me would be some kind of naturally beautiful angelblooded, dragonblooded, or just magically engineered human super nobility, but that's just because I believe in "born, not made" (I consider cyborgs and transhumans in general as "reborn" even if they were "made", they were "made" by someone else using high-tech rather than used mundane means of becoming what they are, nature > nurture).

[@thebadger4040]

TES is a wild setting and sadly it's too cool for Bethesda as they are pussying away from some wild parts of the lore. I recommend watching Sseths video on Morrowind sometime. It doesn't delve very deep but he has some funny things to say about it.

[@johnwright535]

The whole elder scrolls is a dream think, think Cthulhu universe. Whole universe is a dream from a being called azethoth, all of us are literally just dreamt up but because they are so powerful we're real as well, at least our souls are. In elder scrolls, same shtick, you just get goodies for knowing that though

[@n0n4me77]

You should really check more Elder Scrolls lore

[@Ashley-the-fox]

TES lore is insane though i kinda don't recommend the noncannon stuff made by ex lore writer Michael Kirkbride because well while its good its also just borderline incomprehensible

[@cezar9344]

Well after that you are ready do watch Ssethtzentach'es Review of Morrowind

[@mentalkittyRealOG]

You should react to the great war of tamriel by pancreasnowork

[@ajflink]

Vivec has been proven to be unreliable narrator and concepts of Godhead (which is more Lovecraft than Elder Scrolls) and chim get mixed up with each other. Plus, he is a murderer and backstabber who essentially ignored the wishes of his god to seek divine power himself. To over simplify chim, it is essentially Apotheosis, or ascending to godhood to shed one's mortality to become a divine. For some reason, when mortals become daedrae (i.e., essentially evil gods), this is not considered chim. Here is the oddest yet most interesting part of Elder Scrolls lore. It is filled with a ridiculous number of potentially unreliable narrators like Vivec where all, most, some, little, or none of what they claim is true is actually true. This means unless you experience something in-game its validity is always questionable. In addition, Bethesda tends to retcon stuff from the first two games. "In My Time of Need" quest in Skyrim summaries this dilemma very well. Try to answer this question after completing it: Is Saadia actually guilty of doing something malicious in Hammerfell?

[@pbpixil417]

Comment tribute

[@specterknight873]

I enjoy ironically hating elves, but as a Deep Rock player Dwarfs are better than elves

[@vexile1239]

That's funny, in tes the dwarves *were* elves

[@FAMI-ep9ok]

I really liked your reactions to Warhammer lore. But as an Elder Scrolls fan I groaned in deep psychological pain when you called it "Skyrim"-lore. Skyrim has its fans and it has replay value, but it pales in comparison to the world and lore it is set in. Please don't ever do that again

[@TheLegitWeebs]

lol I'll keep that in mind. I'm only familiar with Skyrim and haven't seen any gameplay from the other ones.