Going Back To Basics - Understanding Glue Pulling For Paintless Dent Removal | PDR Training

Hi, I'm Tom with PDR online. And today's video, we're discussing glue pulling, I wanted to make a short video showing you some of the different effects with Glue Pulling. I also want to help you if you're making mistakes and you can't quite figure out what's not working.
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[@wesleymurphy226]

thanks for info, can you recommend a glue?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Wesley, Thanks for your question I've tried a few different glue types but speaking with different technicians it seems the temperature or humidity where you are makes the biggest difference, for example 'Tab Weld' has good feedback but not so much in humid parts of the world such as Florida, 'Tequila' do a 'Cold weather' glue and 'Hawg' do a warm weather glue. I'm working in England and I have just started testing Tabweld but have tried a few different products from Dentrix and TDN I've also tried basic 'hobby' glue from DIY or Hardware stores which seems to pull ok but not so easy to remove from panels, Where are you based?

[@wesleymurphy226]

@@LearnPDROnline thanks for response,im based in Ireland so temp isnt exactly hot😂

[@LearnPDROnline]

@@wesleymurphy226 😂 Yep i know what you mean! In that case you could try BLE Tools, I believe they're located in Bristol and I have been using their 'high strength' clear and black glue sticks for years, alternatively you could try TDN tools in Peterborough they offer a wide range of Glue products from different companies with different benefits. Thanks for getting involved and feel free to ask any other questions you may have!

[@wesleymurphy226]

@@LearnPDROnline cheers Tom, can i contact you via facebook etc?

[@LearnPDROnline]

@@wesleymurphy226 yes you can contact me anytime via Facebook or email on these links 👍 facebook.com/paintlessdentremovaltraining/ [e-mail] www.learnpdronline.com

[@Tko_Seven]

Thank you very much for the information I was looking for. I like how your video is without excessive editing, loud music, etc.

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thank you Terry, I appreciate your feedback and I'm glad you enjoyed my video!

[@petemolder]

I like these 'Three Bears' videos. There was one tab that didn't stick long enough, then there was one tab that had stuck too long. So I was waiting for the tab that was 'just right'

[@LearnPDROnline]

😂 PDR story time!

[@poiulkjh4805]

Hi Again Tom, Well still not got the dent fully out of the car! as it had a crease on the body line! and I did not have the long body tool to push it out from the inside! I would say it's 95% out! I have ordered the new tools, so will have another go when they arrive! But thank you again for your video's on this subject. Brian.

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thanks Brian, Yep the last stages of the repair are where the real skill and patience is required! Its always exciting getting new tools but remeber to go slow, it only takes a few stray pushes to ruin your day :)

[@comfortablynumb8832]

Nice one, I gave up on my kit it kept pulling of to quick now I know why, I’ll give it another go

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thanks David, yes Glue can be a tricky one, there are lots of variables that effect the success of a pull and its a little bit of trial and error but when you get it right, its brilliant!

[@jacksmith-ok8tx]

Great tips, i have tried it on my rear quarter most of the dent is out. However when I push the quarter it flexs a lot does that mean I need to hammer it? thanks

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Jack, thanks for message, really depends on the dent and the position and size etc, large flat panels will flex under pressure, if the actual dent is flexing when pushed you will likely have tension in the damaged panel or a high spot/crown which is holding the dent in if so the tension needs to be released whilst working out the dent...

[@danielm5386]

Thanks Tom! Do you have a favourite glue which you could recommend?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Dan, being in the UK I often use TDN, Dentrix and BLETools for tools and products but recently the dentrix tool site seems to be down so not very helpful at the moment. TDN stock a whole range of glues from around the world but personally I like BLE Tools, they have finally updated their website to make it easier to use and for years I have used their 'high strength' white and black glue sticks which I like, I've just started trying out TabWeld which does seem pretty good especially with the Gang Green Tabs (made by same company - Black Plague PDR) but I'm only 2 sticks in so far :) Also check out my reply to Wesley above for some temperature information! Thanks

[@michaelbigley9411]

Thanks Tom keep sending videos as I enjoy your videos

[@widanelagedemel4589]

Very clear!! Thanks . Arosh

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@sawan2269]

excellent. Thanks

[@LearnPDROnline]

Glad you liked it Juan!

[@leonlackay1]

Hi 👋 , just curious where I can buy a slide hammer like your type the ones they selling this side are very weak.

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hey Leon I got mine from BLE Tools and Ive had it for over 10 years - bletools.com/collections/pullers/products/aluminium-dent-puller-with-spring-dampening

[@themajesticmanic]

Fumbs up!

[@tonysmyth9781]

Thanks mate good video 👍

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thanks Tony I'm glad you liked it and hope it helps

[@joelkoonce8559]

Top job mate

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thanks Joel, appreciate your feedback

[@omaralihasan8187]

Hello ! Very nice fundamentals .

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thanks Omar, Its always good to go back to basics and build from a solid foundation! thanks for watching

[@ryanhawks6600]

Great video :) (other than not providing an example of what a correct glue pull would look like.....newbie here. Still great info to get me started though.) thank you

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thanks Ryan, we have over 130 videos here on KZbin and full detailed step by step training courses specifically designed for newbies within our online training site so lots to choose from depending on what specifics you are trying to learn at any one time, for example our full glue pulling training course is available at visit www.learnpdronline.com

[@desertrider325]

Will a cheap 100w glue gun and green catcus glue work? What do you spray to remove the glue?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Good question, yes as long as the glue gun gets hot enough to really melt the glue then any glue gun will do whether its corded or gas, most glue guns take the same size glue sticks as standard but some of the small craft guns take a slimmer glue so maybe double check the chamber diameter fits your glue. With glue pulling there is a bit of trial and error in getting it just right, some of the dearer glue guns have temperature controls which can be useful for different glue sticks! I use Methylated spirits to remove the glue (and also clean the panel pre pull) Thanks for your comment!

[@nishchalmistry5031]

Do you think this will work for hail dents? And does the hot glue damage the panel at all?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Yes glue pulling is often used for hail dents, depends on extent of damage caused but definitely a popular choice for working hail

[@Cyeber-cv6tw]

How long should you leave the glue tab on the car before you try and pull the dent out..

[@LearnPDROnline]

There are a few variables to consider such as temperature, panel prep, brand of glue and the tabs and also the type of pull you are trying to achieve but generally for most small dents I find somewhere between 10-20 seconds is an average for me. Trial an error will help you here too, if it pops off too easily then either the panel was not clean, the panel has cooled too much or the tab has been left on too long, if it comes off and the glue is stringy then its not been left on long enough.

[@Cyeber-cv6tw]

@@LearnPDROnline thanks for the update..With regards to panel prep is it ok to use methylated spirits and if so should it be diluted..

[@LearnPDROnline]

@@Cyeber-cv6tw Yes I do also use methylated spirits undiluted but the main industry standard is - isopropyl alcohol

[@chrisnguyen7700]

So what would a proper wait time look like? Half glue on the tab and half of the glue left on the panel?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Chris, to be honest its a bit of trial an error with the various glues, temperatures and damage but usually the glue will be left on either the tab or the panel not both, if the glue is stringy when you remove it it wasn't left long enough and if the tab comes clean off with a light pull its usually been on too long. Most important thing is to have a clean panel to apply the tab too and then find the correct wait time for a good pull, i generally find somewhere between 10-20 seconds is long enough but as I say it really dpend on your climate and the panel temperature...

[@billramsey800]

Hi Tom I have heard a few techs who also heat up taps to gain stronger pulls, have you tried this yourself ? Thanks.

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Bill, I don't usually heat the tabs up unless its pretty cold, so for me this is more a trouble shooting option, ie if I'm not getting a good pull or the tabs are coming away from the glue then that is one of the things I try along with re-cleaning the tab and panel surface and warming the panel. There are some metal tabs out there, I haven't used these but if I guess these would respond better with some heat. Good question, Thanks

[@rong9554]

what happens if you pull a big chunk of paint off, what then ?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thanks Ron, this would only happen if the car has been previously repaired and repainted in that area or the wrong glue set up was used. Ultimately its on you the technician to assess the panel prior to carrying out repairs and have a conversation with your customer to understand there needs and go through the potential risks.

[@zeffell14]

Does that not damage the clear coat upon pulling

[@LearnPDROnline]

Good question Keith, the glue we use is specifically designed for this purpose and can easily be removed without damaging the paint however this is on the assumption that the panel you are working on is original. If I can see a panel has had previous repairs, filler or paintwork then its unlikely I will glue pull as the risk of 'pulling paint' would be greater :)

[@loucifer323]

I found out heating up the panel with a heat gun I get good grip and I can pull super hard also I heat the tab too

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Lou, yes the right amount of heat can make all the difference to a good strong pull, thanks for sharing!

[@georgenettlesjr1466]

What's the best glue?

[@LearnPDROnline]

There are loads of glues out there each one with different qualities such as better for warm weather or cold weather, light pull or strong pull and different working temps so 'The Best' glue will depend what it is you are using it for specifically and what temperature the overall environment is etc My advice is to buy PDR specific glue from a reputable supplier and most of the details will be listed with their product

[@troyb3659]

what happens when you pull the clearcoat off, what does that mean?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Troy, usually it means the panel has been previously repaired and painted. If the paint is original and you are using PDR glue it should never pull the clear coat however unfortunately a lot of panels get repainted in bodyshops and you can never recreate the quality of the original paint. The panel will likely require repainting once again to rectify. Another thiing to watch out for is if you are working on an old classic car, they used different paint back then so the risk is also higher but modern water based paints should be fine if original.

[@Johncollins219]

OK so how much time is the perfect amount to wait?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Depends on the brand of glue, the temperature of the panel, the type of dent and if using a slide hammer or lifter, to be honest there are so many variables a lot of the time it comes down to experience with an educated guess and often some trial and error :)

[@sweetfreedomGB]

Nice back to basics stuff...we all need reminding sometimes..

[@LearnPDROnline]

Thanks, its sometimes difficult to put it into words to explain the different effects but hopefully this will help somebody understand some of the reasons 'glue pulling' can appear not to work everytime.

[@denisedx]

Will a normal glue gun and hot glue work ?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Denise, good question. the glue we use has been designed for use on car paintwork, it remains flexible as opposed to most household craft glues that become hard and brittle, this allows the releasing agent to get behind the glue and release it from the panel easily. The glue gun itself can be 'normal' (just check the diameter fits the glue) but I would definitely get the correct PDR glue, glue sticks are very cheap to buy especially when compared to the cost of respraying the panel if you pull the paint off.

[@pieterbenade7293]

Tom why am I pulling the paint off if I use the technic

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Pieter, what glue are you using? The only time I have ever seen paint removed with glue pulling is if the panel has had a pervious paint repair, has your repair panel been resprayed or had a filler/bondo repair carried out previously?

[@hsurgeon71]

What is the optimum time to leave the glue on the panel?

[@LearnPDROnline]

There are a few factors to consider such as the brand of glue and tab you are using, the temperature of the panel and what you are pulling with ie a slide hammer or lifter and what you are trying to achieve with the pull so its tricky to put a time on it, trial and error is best but usually for most of my glue pulls its between 10 -30 seconds depending on the temperature of the panel, if you put it on and pull after 10 seconds and its not successful redo and leave for 20 seconds etc hope that helps

[@hsurgeon71]

@@LearnPDROnline thank you so much

[@tsx700r]

My glue is Harding but plastic tab is pulling right off why’s that?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Does the tab pull away clean and leave the glue on the car or does the glue stay on the tab and not on the car? Usually clean surface and temperature are two of the biggest things to check but also depends on the type of tab too...

[@kevinmoyle6098]

So what is glue and what is hot glue or is it all the same?

[@LearnPDROnline]

In this video I am only showing 'hot' glue and there are loads of different brands but another popular choice is 'cold' glue. they have a slightly different purpose, Hot glue is usually stronger and can give a stronger pull especially on smaller dents but cold glue is great for reducing large damage quickly and cleanly with less distortion 👍

[@tutifood7]

Sir glue sticks model name

[@LearnPDROnline]

High strength clear from BLE Tools - bletools.com/collections/glue/products/10-x-high-strength-clear-glue-sticks

[@MrCbell57]

It’s so sad to see all this work great on utube, yet as a professional auto body guy I can’t ever make it work myself. I’ve tried at least a dozen different tools tricks and materials . Sad . Sad. I don’t pull early. I do t leave them on too long. I don’t work in the cold, and I do clean properly. I clean the tabs. And the panels. I’ve tried heat as well. What next! Any suggestions on kits that actually work? Anyone? Ive about given up.

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hey Rick yes it can be frustrating at times! Have you had training on how to use the tools and techniques specifically for PDR? There are lots of training schools around and we of course have a huge online training platform with all the tips and tricks available? there are also good tools and bad tools, unfortunately there are a lot of cheap knock off kits on ebay and amazon that look the same but are not made the same

[@billware6721]

Any tips for removing glue residue when you aren’t left with a nice disc that cooperates and peels right off?

[@LearnPDROnline]

Sure, there are glue releasing agents to help, I often use methylated spirts but a high volume alcohol product such as isopropyl will help!

[@francof7720]

@@LearnPDROnline Hey, Tom. Thanks so much for your video and the time you take. I have same question, I did some glue pulling but most of my tabs got glue residue. I tried leaving them on different chemical products such as: 1- White vinegar (It didn't work that much), 2- Soapy water - hot / warm (it worked much better than the previous) and finally 3- Isopropyl alcohol 99% (best of the 3 ) However, I had to remove them patiently with one of my tools but it takes so long. Would you suggest using the 3rd option? or what's the best option to remove the residues? Thanks again, mate

[@francof7720]

Also, I got my tabs from Ebay as a set. Would you recommend other set suitable for the job? Had some small dents in my car

[@francof7720]

I checked online and they sell tabs made of: Plastic, matal and nylon.

[@LearnPDROnline]

@@francof7720 Thanks Franco, I would only use the Isopropyl, this should peel the glue straight off assuming you are using PDR Glue. What brand of glue are you using? If you still struggle then you can also heat the glue and tab back up to get the glue pliable again

[@clintdavis47]

For 26 yrs in body work u can get some white vinegar and a toilet plunger and works great. It may take up to 3 pulls but be patient. Cheers

[@LearnPDROnline]

Sounds interesting please share the link to the video showing you removing dents successfully with vinegar and a plunger 👀

[@Irfan-or9sd]

You look like van Persie

[@final3119]

1:04 that is cursed

[@leoe.henault]

He mentions glue too soon or glue too late but doesn't mention a good time length when the pull should be done. 10 min, 15 min or what? He doesn't say.

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi Leo, thanks for your comment. Its difficult to say how long to leave the glue for as it depends how warm the panel is, what brand of glue you are using, the temperature of the glue gun and also the temperature of the environment ie working indoors or outdoors and in summer or winter. There are lots of variables that affect the time which is why I try to show you what a 'too early' pull looks like compared to a 'too late' pull time. For me in England with BLE high strength glue my wait time is usually somewhere between 5-30 seconds but it is sometimes a case of trial and error :)

[@hqcity9273]

Why do pdr techs feel it necessary to show people this trade online? Things will get saturated with poor pdr techs

[@LearnPDROnline]

Hi thanks for your question, there are a lot of people that want to learn this trade that do not have PDR schools in their country and there are also a lot of techs that have attended 5 or 10 day training schools who then need ongoing support as PDR is not learned in a week or two

[@hqcity9273]

Learn PDR Online and you know yourself with 2 or 3 weeks of training an internet video isn’t going to do much.

[@LearnPDROnline]

HQ City and that’s why we offer the membership option, so those that need ongoing support beyond the initial training period can still get help and get access to guidance as opposed to coming out the other side of a short course and then trying to figure out the rest on their own and make all the usual mistakes that could easily be avoided.

[@hqcity9273]

Learn PDR Online lmfao way higher chance of failure with just “online subscription” as your backup plan

[@MrPeeteboy]

@@hqcity9273 We all have opinions and mine is that we are told that you cant learn unless you spend up to $7,500 a week for live training, right? I learned poor poor PDR when I went to a one on one Trainer. I have learned more from on line then I ever could in a month school. Sure if your not passionate about it and you dont have guidance you will develop bad habits BUT if you have half a brain and your doing on line training and you come up against something thats not working then you watch many different aproaches to the same problem and you find out what works and move forward. Way before on line training was a thing you had a lot of techs doing shit work but yet they were all trained in live situations. I have come across good PDR techs that say " if you take apart panels and you use non industry standard tools then it is not PDR" Even if you are getting great results. This industry can have a very narrow mind at times so be careful if you go with live training because they will fill your head with what they believe and not teach you to have a open minded and that there are many ways to learn ANYTHING! They just dont want to loose that huge weekly tuition. IMHO

[@Dannyhunter1970]

What a easy of time 🙄

[@LearnPDROnline]

Lost in translation perhaps...

[@Dannyhunter1970]

@@LearnPDROnline OK not rocket 🚀 science easy job made to lokk big clown 🤡